For one, how do we know the Hokage consented and Danzo didn't pull one of his usual black ops?
But anyway, even if the leaders do represent the village, their bad decisions in no way condemn the whole village. Sasuke can't hate the whole village for the actions of four people. So Sasuke 'forgiving' the village is ridiculous. They did nothing to be sorry for. If you (and Sasuke, I guess) believe that, then ironically enough, Sasuke shouldn't be mad in the first place. Why? If you can transfer the blame for four people's actions to a whole village, then you can CERTAINLY transfer the blame for the actions of many more Uchiha to the much smaller Uchiha clan. In that way, this argument unknowingly justifies genocide. That's why I call this bullsh**. If Sasuke ends up thinking like that, then he isn't 'redeemed' at all. He's just as twisted and insane.
Sasuke can't reasonably say "I'm not coming back to the village because I can't forgive it for the actions of extremist advisers and my brother".
@NS means logic
Easy there. No need to go all renegade on us.
Because if Danzo had the entire Uchiha clan assassinated right under the Hokage's nose while they were still allied with the village, you can believe that he would have landed himself in prison for the rest of his life at the very least. Plus, it was the Hokage with whom Itachi spoke and pleaded for his actions to remain a secret to Sasuke. If it was something to which he did not consent, then Itachi would have been detained as a co-conspiritor. The Hokage approved the actions taken, whether he liked the outcome or not.
And yes, he most certainly can hold a grudge against the village. I repeat, how do you think war starts? How many family feuds have there been because of the actions of one or a few? It doesn't take the actions of many to spread a grudge. The entire village operates based on the principles and ideals set forth by the Hokage and his predecessors. There was already a long held grudge between the Uchiha clan and the Hokage line because of the dispute of leadership during the time of Madara and the First. It was the actions of the the First Hokage alone that set the Uchiha grudge against the village and how it was run, and a coup d'etat was more or less inevitable.
But when it happened, Sasuke knew absolutely nothing of the politics or history behind it. He was a little boy, and all he knew was that his family was mass murdered by his own brother. And because of the lie he was lead to believe, he lived his life miserable, bitter and hateful. Imagine that everything you know and loved stripped away from you, and then lied to about it your whole life. It's like a slap in the face. The Hokage's will resulted in the murder of Sasuke's family, his bitter vengefulness against his brother, and has always been the source of the Uchihas' wounded pride and sense of entitlement. All of that history came full circle when he learned the truth.
Rational or not, I think you underestimate what a vexed heart is truly capable of.
It seems that some people never thought about Original Madara allowing many people to die because of his actions with the Kyuubi and then Tobi being reponceble for another group of people dying because of his selfish ambitions in where the story main character die parents also die, for some people everything is about poor Sasuke and his bullsh**, the Uchiha hurted Konoha two time and you never hear the people saying that the Uchiha clan most die.
Plus you never hear Naruto talling Tobi that he will kill him and the rest of the Uchiha clan, because of them he never had the chance to grow up with his parents and was hated by the Villager for something he never knew about.
You seem to not understand the mechanics of this. You cannot compare the two. It's not a matter of the fact that they died. It a matter of the fact that they were
mudered. Had Naruto held a grudge against the village, it would have only been because he was outcast and treated like a monster. He knew nothing of h is parents' fate or that the kyuubi was sealed inside him. And when he learned how and why, he knew that his parents sacrificed their own lives for the village they loved, and for Naruto's sake. By then, he had already proven himself and found friends. What was there to hold a grudge over?
As for Madara, same thing. The grudge began when the village leadership was taken from him, and that grudge has continued as long as he and the Uchiha clan have been alive. They were a proud clan. Selfish? Perhaps. But you learn what you are taught. And when you are taught to feel elite and entitled by your family name alone, it only feeds the fire. The pride and grudge of one or a few can easily transpose onto an entire clan or village, for better or worse, so long as those few are influential.
I do not sympathize with Sasuke. I empathize with him. I mean, really, put yourself in his shoes. Even if you learned that you belonged to a family of criminals/rebels, and you learned that this is why they were all murdered, would you really care? Would you really just brush it off of your shoulders and say to yourself, "well, the deserved it" even after growing family bonds with so many of them? When you thought of them, would you remember those warm connections first, or would you dismiss them for the idea that they were conspiritors to war? That's not how it works. And in trauma like that, especially childhood trauma, most would desperately search for someone to blame. For Sasuke, that was Itachi. And when he learned of what happened to Itachi, his blame transfered to the Hokage and the village he raised.
I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand. Not everything is lollipops, ranbows, love and friendship. Sometimes, there is much more to it than that, and it runs much deeper.
Edited by PachucoDesigns, 16 July 2012 - 09:38 PM.
On the morning of Wednesday, April 11th, 2012, my Aunt Karla passed away. She was my mother's baby sister, and my coolest aunt when I was a kid. She was the best babysitter ever, and she was like an older sister to me.
Karly, I don't know if you can hear this. I am not a believer, I haven't been since Sheryl died. But if you can, I want you to know that I'm truly sorry for everything bad I've ever said about you. When you were suffering, I should have been there to help you. I should have visited. I should have encouraged you to leave the house and get a job, to be active and alive the way you used to be.
I promise that I will do everything that I can to be successful and a good person, to make you proud the way you would have wanted me to. No matter what I said, I loved you. And I will always love you. Rest in Peace, you will never be forgotten.
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