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[Yojeveka]

Just look at Boruto: Naruto Next Generation Anime Discusion thread. It's clear we're so tired of those "You're all wrong, I'm so right about everything concerned to Naruto"  

Edited by Yojeveka, 04 September 2017 - 04:37 AM.

[ultranx]

 

Kushina didn't lose her hot blooded tsundere qualities as an adult. Not sure why Sakura should. Sakura, Bulma (DBZ), Kaoru (Rurouni Kenshin), Rukia (Bleach), Nami (One Piece), Kagome (Inuyasha), ChiChi (DBZ), Mine (Akame ga Kill), Meryl (Trigun), Ryuko (Kill la Kill), Rin (Fate/Stay Night), Anna (Shaman King), Amy (Sonic the Hedgehog). I could go on and on and on and on and on. The "beat up the male lead" schtik is very very very very common in this industry and is never taken seriously. The only time I've ever heard anyone actually try and bash a tsundere character for having tsundere qualities (including beating up the male lead) is in Naruto and only for self-serving "pairing war" nonsense reasons.  It was hilarious reading these very same nonsense outrages as I looked at the comments in that "What if Naruto married Sakura" video. A lot of these very same people who didn't utter a word at any of the former examples, particularly Kagome's endless sit commands.

 

 

 

 

 

That's your prerogative. At the same time, I don't buy this subplot. Never have. Never will. And from what I've seen, I'm far from alone in this criticism.

 

 

 

Usually, I wouldn't have said anything, but you tend to make it a point for others to use proper diction . . . so it only makes sense not to use a word that literally makes no sense as a result of the "ir" and the "less."

also, figured I'd add this scene too to your example

also a comedic scene noone had a problem over.

 

only times I see people bring up these arguments like you said is when they're amy rose haters and or ones who are pro sally anti amy, misty haters because they feel misty is an enemy to their pairing just for existing, or the pairing fanatics in naruto

Edited by ultranx, 04 September 2017 - 04:43 AM.

[LuckyChi7]

also, figured I'd add this scene too to your example

 

 

 

 

 

Oh man that moment takes me back to the good old days damn I should go back and rewatch it again. 

 

 

One of the best series in anime/manga history. 

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Oh man that moment takes me back to the good old days damn I should go back and rewatch it again. 

 

 

One of the best series in anime/manga history. 

 

And something that Studio Pierrot did before they became super crappy XP

[sushi.]

you'd think after tricksie got after him/her for acting like that, analyzer would stop. but nope,still being the same elitest. anyways back to web browsing 'runs off into distance'

Analyzer will stop when we stop answering her. Which is why I'm trying to limit my posts now to light humour. She'll still take initiative when we are discussing amonst ourselves but at one point she'll just be talking to herself and that can't be fun.

[Kagomaru]

Analyzer will stop when we stop answering her. Which is why I'm trying to limit my posts now to light humour. She'll still take initiative when we are discussing amonst ourselves but at one point she'll just be talking to herself and that can't be fun.

Yup. Best way to get to a troll is to treat them like they don't exist.  

[Kagomaru]

 

Kushina didn't lose her hot blooded tsundere qualities as an adult. Not sure why Sakura should. Sakura, Bulma (DBZ), Kaoru (Rurouni Kenshin), Rukia (Bleach), Nami (One Piece), Kagome (Inuyasha), ChiChi (DBZ), Mine (Akame ga Kill), Meryl (Trigun), Ryuko (Kill la Kill), Rin (Fate/Stay Night), Anna (Shaman King), Amy (Sonic the Hedgehog). I could go on and on and on and on and on. The "beat up the male lead" schtik is very very very very common in this industry and is never taken seriously. The only time I've ever heard anyone actually try and bash a tsundere character for having tsundere qualities (including beating up the male lead) is in Naruto and only for self-serving "pairing war" nonsense reasons.  It was hilarious reading these very same nonsense outrages as I looked at the comments in that "What if Naruto married Sakura" video. A lot of these very same people who didn't utter a word at any of the former examples, particularly Kagome's endless sit commands.

 

 

 

Ah, even ten years later, it's still funny as hell.

[The Doctor forever]

 

"Irregardless is a word commonly used in place of regardless or irrespective, which has caused controversy since the early twentieth century, though the word appeared in print as early as 1795. Most dictionaries list it as nonstandard or incorrect usage, and recommend that "regardless" should be used instead."

 

So in another attempt to sound smarter then us. She also once again comes off as a smug elites idiot that thinks she smarter then she actually is.

 

Well, Evil100 did some digging as Analyzer said she was taught by the writer who did the Godfather and his name is Mario Puzo, here is the thing he died on July 2, 1999 and in now way was he a teacher the very same year that Naruto started and there is no way that she could be in her 40's or even older.

 

So she has been lying man to us saying she was taught by him when she was not, since he passed away long before Naruto ended, and if you look back she does use  the whole. "I was taught by the writer who did the Godfather."

[VanitasDS76491]

Kushina didn't lose her hot blooded tsundere qualities as an adult. Not sure why Sakura should. Sakura, Bulma (DBZ), Kaoru (Rurouni Kenshin), Rukia (Bleach), Nami (One Piece), Kagome (Inuyasha), ChiChi (DBZ), Mine (Akame ga Kill), Meryl (Trigun), Ryuko (Kill la Kill), Rin (Fate/Stay Night), Anna (Shaman King), Amy (Sonic the Hedgehog). I could go on and on and on and on and on. The "beat up the male lead" schtik is very very very very common in this industry and is never taken seriously. The only time I've ever heard anyone actually try and bash a tsundere character for having tsundere qualities (including beating up the male lead) is in Naruto and only for self-serving "pairing war" nonsense reasons.  It was hilarious reading these very same nonsense outrages as I looked at the comments in that "What if Naruto married Sakura" video. A lot of these very same people who didn't utter a word at any of the former examples, particularly Kagome's endless sit commands.
 

 

 
 

 
That's your prerogative. At the same time, I don't buy this subplot. Never have. Never will. And from what I've seen, I'm far from alone in this criticism.
 
 

 
Usually, I wouldn't have said anything, but you tend to make it a point for others to use proper diction . . . so it only makes sense not to use a word that literally makes no sense as a result of the "ir" and the "less."

 
You forgot erza from fairy tail and mikasa and winry. This is something that bothers me all those female characters you mentioned are allowed by the fans save for sakura to hit the Maine hero and no one says anything but when sakura does it she's like satan.
 

also, figured I'd add this scene too to your example

also a comedic scene noone had a problem over.
 
only times I see people bring up these arguments like you said is when they're amy rose haters and or ones who are pro sally anti amy, misty haters because they feel misty is an enemy to their pairing just for existing, or the pairing fanatics in naruto

 
That was a good scene with yusuke and keiko and Keiko is just a normal girl. Ah the dark tournament one of the best in anime yusuke vs togouro was the best fight in anime til yusuke fought sensui.
 

Oh man that moment takes me back to the good old days damn I should go back and rewatch it again. 
 
 
One of the best series in anime/manga history.

Hell Ya naruto is garbage compared to yu yu hausko cause it has the better plot, pacing, characters and villains and little about of filler if any.
  

Well, Evil100 did some digging as Analyzer said she was taught by the writer who did the Godfather and his name is Mario Puzo, here is the thing he died on July 2, 1999 and in now way was he a teacher the very same year that Naruto started and there is no way that she could be in her 40's or even older.
 
So she has been lying man to us saying she was taught by him when she was not, since he passed away long before Naruto ended, and if you look back she does use  the whole. "I was taught by the writer who did the Godfather."

Hahaha that makes sense and good on him.

[lupina]

Well, Evil100 did some digging as Analyzer said she was taught by the writer who did the Godfather and his name is Mario Puzo, here is the thing he died on July 2, 1999 and in now way was he a teacher the very same year that Naruto started and there is no way that she could be in her 40's or even older.

 

So she has been lying man to us saying she was taught by him when she was not, since he passed away long before Naruto ended, and if you look back she does use  the whole. "I was taught by the writer who did the Godfather."

 

We don't know how old "Analyzer" is. 

[Bail o' Lies]

Just look at Boruto: Naruto Next Generation Anime Discusion thread. It's clear we're so tired of those "You're all wrong, I'm so right about everything concerned to Naruto"  

To be honest I'm starting to miss db at least he had stances, and once we debunked them he'd go away for a few months. Here her only stance is, "I'm better then all of you, and I am always right because the ending was nH/SS."

 

Well, Evil100 did some digging as Analyzer said she was taught by the writer who did the Godfather and his name is Mario Puzo, here is the thing he died on July 2, 1999 and in now way was he a teacher the very same year that Naruto started and there is no way that she could be in her 40's or even older.

 

So she has been lying man to us saying she was taught by him when she was not, since he passed away long before Naruto ended, and if you look back she does use  the whole. "I was taught by the writer who did the Godfather."

She eventually gave up the guy's name..can't find the quote... Her "mentor (most likely she took a class he taught once)" name is Mark Winegardner (I believe that's the name she gave). His books are: The Godfather Returns, Crooked River Burning, The Godfather's Revenge, and The Veracruz Blues. He basically know for writing spin off of the godfather novels. The thing is she was initially hiding that fact trying to impress us with learning from the creator of the godfather instead of they guy that's know for doing basically godfather fanfiction.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 21 June 2021 - 01:13 PM.

[Namaenash]

 
 
 
 
Oh man that moment takes me back to the good old days damn I should go back and rewatch it again. 
 
 
One of the best series in anime/manga history. 

Totally agree. Yu Yu Hakusho was one fine classic show. Interesting and original plot, enough amount of humour and romance to lighten up the dark background story.

Strangely enough, a few similar story elements can be found in Naruto series. Like Hiei and his Jagan Eyes implemented in his body (similar to Sasuke?). Kurama and demon foxes (I suppose that's where Naruto's Kurama gets its inspiration?) and many more...

I've never read Hunter x Hunter, but I read it also had much similarities...

[rocci]

Sakura isn't Tsundere ? Are you serious ? Most of her character traits are for Tsundere.
 
Is the sun getting you high ?

Sakura fall into old school tsundere and not the new school like most modern iteration of tsundere in contemporary Japanese media.

I always see her as ordinary girl character and borderline shoujo heroine.

[LuckyChi7]

You know it's kinda sad when some people say Sword Art Online is one of the worst animes, yet it knows how to tell a better romance than the canon pairings in Naruto.  Even though the way they execute Season 1 was kinda rushed (Especially Aincrad) (though ALO was really annoying I'd even say skip it) when you compare the original source the light novel which go way more in-depth and the stuff they cut out (I prefer Progressive since it goes in detail floor by floor with Aincrad). Season 2 was way better as an adaptation obviously, but yeah even with it's execution in Season 1 the romance between Kirito and Asuna was much better handled.

 

 

 Not mention Asuna's a tsundere too, but i'm sure most of you know that already I mean this: 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That scene never gets old   

Edited by LuckyChi7, 04 September 2017 - 03:17 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Totally agree. Yu Yu Hakusho was one fine classic show. Interesting and original plot, enough amount of humour and romance to lighten up the dark background story.
Strangely enough, a few similar story elements can be found in Naruto series. Like Hiei and his Jagan Eyes implemented in his body (similar to Sasuke?). Kurama and demon foxes (I suppose that's where Naruto's Kurama gets its inspiration?) and many more...
I've never read Hunter x Hunter, but I read it also had much similarities...

Ya but yu yu hausko did those things better and Naruto rips them off kind of. Besides hiei is way better than sasuke and his Jagan eyes are more interesting and hiei has the best attack in anime the dragon of the darkness flame.

[ThroughWithLove]

To be honest I'm starting to miss db at least he had stances, and once we debunked them he'd go away for a few months. Here her only stance is, "I'm better then all of you, and I am always right because the ending was nH/SS."
 

She eventually gave up the guy's name..can't find the quote... Her "mentor (most likely she took a class he taught once)" name is Mark Winegardner (I believe that's the name she gave). His books are: The Godfather Returns, Crooked River Burning,The Godfather's Revenge, and The Veracruz Blues. He basically know for writing spin off of the godfather novels. The thing is she was initially hiding that fact trying to impress us with learning from the creator of the godfather instead of they guy that know for doing basically godfather fanfiction.

Look the guy up on ratemyprofessor. He's a Florida university smug elitist @sshole who basically tells his students how wrong they are about their stories and that they must write them the way he wants them to write them or receive an F. His class appears to consist of a self indulgent writers workshops where you get to learn about how great he is.

 

http://www.ratemypro....jsp?tid=470484

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 04 September 2017 - 04:40 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Look the guy up on ratemyprofessor. He's a Florida university smug elitist @sshole who basically tells his students how wrong they are about their stories and that they must write them the way he wants them to write them or receive an F. His class appears to consist of a self indulgent writers workshops where you get to learn about how great he is.

That answers alot.

[lupina]

Depends on who you belive more now, I guess. 

[NeonRanger]

Sorry, very unpopular opinion here, but I don't mind Analyzer being here, in a way.

@Analyzer: I'm not going to lie, you appear very arrogant in some posts. A lot of us spent years with this series, so it's a turn off when you imply that are interpretations were wrong.

[Edit] I also wanted to add that Kishi also admitted to "baiting" us. To where even some NH/SS weren't happy about. So all of the NS moments were genuine. Coming to a pro-NS forum would be somewhat harsh considering what we went through. And by harsh, I mean were are more defensive. NS has brought a lot of joy for us. There were a lot of trolls before you on this forum.
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At the same time, I feel like some are being a little rude as well. I hate the idea of a "true fan". I've encountered just as many SasuSaku and NaruHina who spent time and a lot of money over a series they love compared to NaruSaku shippers I've also encountered who were damn glad they spent not a dime over this series. I've encountered NH and NS shippers who only read the series for NaruHina or NaruSaku, and those who could give a crap whether they become canon as long as Naruto is getting some lovin'. I've meet SasuSaku and KakaSaku shippers who aren't afraid to admit that they ship the pair because they are aesthetically hot (bad/ mysterious boy and pure girl), and I've meet NaruSaku shippers who only ship NaruSaku because Naruto "deserves the girl" (they see Sakura more as a prize then a genuine character) while calling her a kitten when she continues to love Sasuke. There are people who read the series for their bias, people who read because "what the hell, there nothing else better to do" free time, and people who read just because they want to see Naruto as Hokage and nothing more.

The entire reason the Naruto fandom is known as a toxic, closed-minded community is because this fandom carries this haughty attitude towards others with a different interpretation that they don't like, lumping them into a stupid stereotype while being ignorant to those who don't fit said stereotype.

I've meet NaruSaku shippers who don't mind the ending. In fact, that's one of the reasons why I don't mind Analyzer being here. Are we going to question their credibility as a NaruSaku fan as well?

I don't think she's a troll (or hope not) because I've also meet a NaruHina shipper who is anti-ending and extremely critical with how her ship was portrayed, and she was pretty much shunned by a good amount of the NH fandom. What you guys are doing is no different than what NH is doing. I've already seen posts of us praising NH shippers who hated the ending, now you guys are acting fake towards an NS who finds that the ending makes sense?

A "true fan" is a fan who likes the Naruto series, a fan who respects other's opinions while at the same time doesn't let it take on more value then their own. She's not forcing us to stop shipping NaruSaku. And we also aren't obligated to see her view as "right". You can block. I'm sorry, but if this was a NaruHina who came to the forum to critic how bad the series is and how NaruSaku made more sense, yada yada, we would be happy that they are acknowledging the problems of what's wrong with the series and that they finally see was NaruSaku has been seeing. Yet for some reason, the opposite happens and now you question them as a fan? Is it really hard to to acknowledge a NaruSaku who has critic over the their own ship as well? And seeing that the ending makes sense to them?

I don't even want to pinpoint just NaruSaku, the SasuSaku fandom also have this problem as well with pro/anti Gaiden, and SasuNaruSasu with pro-Naruto/ pro-Sasuke. What's wrong with this fandom with having a different opinion you don't like?

In fact, when I did took a break from Naruto and the fandom, I was happy...then I came back just to answer why I left in the first place. The Naruto fandom has a hard time accepting that people will not like what you like. Unpopular opinion again, but I don't like 470, and I will never like 470. It was anti NaruSaku, and pro SNS. It was the one chapter that made me doubt NaruSaku not because it confirmed Sakura still love Sasuke, but because Kishi confirmed that the POAL means crap unless it's about Sasuke. I, in fact, agree with SNS shippers when they say that this was a wasted, slow burn SNS love story, because it was. But I keep positive and bit my tongue because it really was an unpopular opinion in the NaruSaku community, especially back than with the whole ship war.

I'm sorry but the only opinion I carry was that Kishi wasn't a consistent writer. None of the pairings, NS included, made absolute sense because Kishi wanked the love triangle. NS became less and less credible the farther Kishi got with love triangle, to a point where people jumped ship. The angst Kishi did with SS got to a point where SasuSaku look like kitten individuals. Kishi even made Sasuke and Naruto dead beat daddies as a self insert for his own kids. I understand seeing what we all see in NaruSaku, but it shouldn't be a surprise that Kishi kitten on the pairing way before the ending. For me, the only pairing in the big 5 (SS, NS, SNS, NH, SK) that has any remote credibility is SNS. You guys already saw
Some recent promotions, and well as it being the only pairing Kishi has ever spoken fondly about, like he actually wanted them to hold hands.

I went to a tangent, but just let Analyzer speak. I don't agree with her, but I don't think she's a troll. I just want another perspective. Plus moderators will do something if she crosses the line.

Edited by NeonRanger, 04 September 2017 - 08:07 PM.

[ThroughWithLove]

Based on the kind of comments I was reading in the "What if Naruto married Sakura" video, the Naruto fandom is mostly kool-aid drinking cancer at this point. Pathetic and disgusting comments all around. As a result, Boruto is not the series the Naruto fandom needs, but the one it deserves.

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 04 September 2017 - 08:07 PM.