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[Riverkid]

 

1: Or perhaps it did not stand in contradiction. Or perhaps I did not twist it, and it's just a reflection of what you wrote you are seeing, and you don't like it, but it's what you mean. Or maybe I have real argumentation. Much easier to go with the last, student. 

 

2: Narrative Intent is one aspect. Narrative Flow is another. Development as well. All three of these make the ending make sense. Even if the ending -didn't- make sense. I.E., it's clear that the author intended for NH and SS to happen in 700, with all the clues sputtered about. That is one aspect of it making sense, and that is ubiquitously there. Hey, I didn't doge your question. Never really have.

 

3: Ah, you are asking To demonstrate this in a way that suggests a pursuit of romantic love, but the metric of development does not necessitate that Naruto consciously pursue her in a romantic way, merely that their relationship has weight and development. This I can teach you student. We need to set up the basis of how it began, though it will be a pain in the neck due to how difficult the older chapters are to find, so I'll come back to edit this. But first, we must  naturally Chapter 39 page 7 sets up Naruto's initial tone towards her. We can both agree that this initial thoughts is not the final tone he has towards her correct, that this changes and develops, I hope? If so you are already on the road of understanding, and I will illustrate the remainder points soon with page sources as per your desire. 

Or perhaps you can just admit it when several people pointing it out as contradiction ? You need to be less stubborn.

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First: You say that Narrative Intent is the aspect to make an 'ending' meaningful

Now: You say that its Narrative Intent, Flow and development. So you just weakend your argumentation by yourself

However its still not true. Narrative Intent, flow and developement doesn't make something automatically more 'sense'. Everything done in the right and meaningful way makes it. So your statement is false from being with, and your didn't provide facts to why the 'narrative intent' made the Story meaningful.. because you never try to bring facts or real argumentations.. 

You just write something down, hoping no one will dismantle it and support your opinion this way. Its the same with "im a writer, i know that". Its just to make up for the lack of facts and argumentations you can't pull out.

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i didn't asked about the 'metric' of a general development. I asked about the metric of a romantic-development. because you said there are enough details to why the NH-Ending make sense, so i assume that there will be enough romantic-development between these too.. what else would develop them to a pairing if not in the romantical way? 

Why was only in 'the Last' real romantical development between these two, which weren't one sided from Hinata ? Kishimoto admitted that there was a huge lack of romantical development to justify the relationship of his protagonist, so he did the movie. When the Writer himself says that there wasn't enough development within the 700chapter-story, how can you just brag out that there was enough details? 

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you know what i remember else? that you are a complete timewaste. still aren't able to answer my questions, just writing your own nonsense like  'make-up' to hide the lack of everything in your argumentation.
 

Edited by Riverkid, 29 August 2017 - 03:27 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Explain yourself. What exactly is she being made out to be that she isn't? I was talking specifically in the context of the discussion at hand. I've seen you mispresent her, but not people in general. Unless you are talking about yourself? Because if we want, I can present and rebuff some of your making out Hinata to what she's not, starting with some of the silly didn't care about Neji's death, which somehow some people like yourself just miss when it's right there in front of you, and you have also said she regressed after part one and "obsessed Naruto to the point that nothing else mattered", which is, you know, not true. At all. Objectively false. 

 

Well, let's see. NH fans a lot of times or even crazy Hinata fanatics make Hinata out to be some heroine for leaping in to try to fight Pain when all she wanted was to be selfish because she didn't believe in Naruto being able to defeat Nagato.

 

We also got her telling Naruto mentally to give up during Naruto's battle with Neji in the Chunin Exams when Neji hit him with the 8 Trigrams 64 Palms and sealed off his tenketsu.

 

Yes, she may have cried over Neji's death, but she brushed it to the side as soon as Naruto took her hand and focused on that when Neji's fresh body WAS STILL RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER.

 

Plus she ends up lying about wanting to stop chasing Naruto in The Last with her wanting to have Naruto when he had no interest in her, and she only "got" him because of guilt by many parties as well as her inability to understand him. Especially when The Last has so much to it that contradicts the original story. But I guess you didn't see it because you are being blind to being an NH fan who just came here to cause trouble and just are easily exposing yourself in many cases.

[T XD]

 

Neither? I don't have negative feelings to either pairing. Why would I want to have a pill of one of them? Now a reality pill is just silly.

It has to do with the decrease of your own projections on NH and SS. Let's call it no-NH pill and no-SS pill. The former three times a day and the latter once per day.

 

The reality pill is a must for that The Last symptoms affected you. It has a strawberry flavor if you chew on the pill.

[Riverkid]

 

Allow me to quote myself: "Narrative Intent does contribute to the ending making sense, though is not the sole aspect of things for us to derive at that conclusion".

 

So I just elaborated on a prior argument I made, my student. Note the word "meaingful" wasn't used.

Allow me to quote myself : "What a hypocritical person"

The Point is that you stated something, without providing any facts, sources nor argumentations to justify your statement. I dismantle it because you can't just state that there is  'Sense' just because of an excisting narrative Intent. 

You reply with "Its not only narrative Intent, its also the flow and the development". Which is AGAIN just making a statment without providing facts, sources nor argumentation to justify your statement. I repeated myself AGAIN that your statement isn't enough to make a point. All these aspects needs to be done in a right and meaningful way, so it will result in a story with 'SENSE'. That means that YOU have to point out each aspect to WHY it makes sense. 

I pointed you out because you are doing that 24/7. Making a statement to something, without providing facts, sources nor argumentation. However you think it is enough to justify your standpoint all the time, and of course keep repeating that you are a 'Wiriter', as if you don't need to provide something.

And here we are again, despite saying that you should'nt highlight Hinatas one-sided love. 

"Allow me to quote myself: "Narrative Intent does contribute to the ending making sense, though is not the sole aspect of things for us to derive at that conclusion".

 

So I just elaborated on a prior argument I made, my student. Note the word "meaingful" wasn't used.

 

To elaborate, using NH as an example, even early on you get a lot of panels that showcase her reactions and feelings to things. Particularly in the Chuunin Exams, this gets an unusually amount of emphasis. I wonder why no one thinks "Why is he doing that?" This is Narrative Intent saying: "These feelings probably are important to something". You also get this before Hinata enters the fight. This is foreshadowing at work, a build up for the ultimate intention of her entrance. But you know, no one counts those side panels and discards them as meaningless, but they do so too quickly, I fear. "

Do you understand why i didn't want you to bring up Hinatas one-sided love during the 700chapter Story? because it was clear since her appearence that she has a crush on Naruto. Since she has a crush on Naruto its just self-explained that she dreams/hopes to be in a realtionship with him... you don't even have to call that a 'build-up' or 'foreshadowing', its within her Characterdesign.

A relationship build-up needs to be done from both sides, just in case you forgot that there are 2 People participating within a relationship. Why would a relationship make sense just because 1 Person has a ONE-SIDED love to someone else ? It would make sense if the other person realize that and also start to fall in love with that said person. Did that happen? 

Is there a narrative Intent of Naruto, or maybe even some flows or development which maybe hints his growing feelings towards Hinata? No. So it doesn't make sense. It make sense after the movie 'The last' but you were talking about the end of the 700chapter-Naruto.

You can prove me otherwise if you start to highlight the pages where we can see some sort of development from Naruto, however after asking it twice you aren't able, instead you come to me with some 'Hinata-moments' despite me already saying that this won't be enough.

You did nothing yet, just repeating and misleading things without any sense. You can't bring any soruces of Naruto, so you brag about how the feelings and the build-up from Hinata is already enough to provide sense in the end-game. Thats your way of debating, pointless and weak.

 

 

 

Relationship develompent would? There's no romance in Naruto, only 699 is romantic "development" with SS, so I wonder what you are asking student. 

 

Also where are you getting your Kishimoto referenced statements? This is the second one that is perplexing. He didn't focus on romance in Naruto, as I've said time and time again. That is what the Last is for. But the build up of their relationship to make 700 makes sense is a seperate issue, it does not crutch on that romance development happening, but there's enough growth to make it that it  did happen make sense. 

So can i get this straight? You just highlighted for me moments where Hinata shows romantic feelings towards Naruto, and you even 'stated' that this is enough as a 'build-up'/'foreshadowing' for them to become a pairing at the end with 'Sense'. Since it makes Sense FOR YOU there is obvous a narrative intent, flow and development between these two characters to justify the ending. Now you are saying that there is no 'romance' in Naruto ?

If there is no 'romance' in Naruto, how can you tell that the pairing at the end make sense?

There is romance, whether or not its stated in the genre, whether Kishimoto states that or not. If you see a Character with romantic drive and ambitions towards a other character, which even leads to situations like putting his life at risk to safe Naruto.. and still stating that 'romance' have no place within the story...well, then you are not only hyprocitical, but also.... puh... i dont know. What would you call Sakuras state towards Sasuke? no-romance relationship? its a one-sided crush (ROMANCE) which is even highlighted multiple times through out the story, even if it doesn't make any sense.

Believe me, the only depressing thing here is you.



 

Edited by Riverkid, 29 August 2017 - 05:49 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Bryon, Bryon. 

 

Naruto was pinned down. Pinned down. He was defeated. Believe is out of the question. He was done. Are you saying she should have done nothing and let him be taken? Are you saying that a Mother leaping in to save her child, even if it was not possible, is bad? A wife her husband? A girl the man she loves? Do you -understand- that it -is- heroic, because she could not bear to see him killed and went in out of love despite all odds against her? Of all of the attacks on Hinata, this is one of the ones you ought, IMO, to drop from your list.

 

You also have presented a lie with Hinata mentally telling him to give up. Please re-read chapter 101. As you see, this is when Hinata at the end of the chapter is tended from her old injuries. There is no give up line in this chapter. 

 

At least you admit she cried for Neji, though we haven't even mentioned spoken of his sacrifice and words to Naruto to restore his will. Trying to pretend she didn't care about Neji is a blatant lie you should not make. Trying to twist that she finds comfort in Naruto, who is sharing chakra and comforting her in a time of great stress and hardship, and making it into her ignoring Neji, is just very poor, poor interpreting, given what we see before, and hey, 699, visiting his grave too? Come on Bryon. This opinion of yours is fundamentally flawed and wrong.

 

"Plus she ends up lying about wanting to stop chasing Naruto in The Last with her wanting to have Naruto when he had no interest in her, and she only "got" him because of guilt by many parties as well as her inability to understand him. Especially when The Last has so much to it that contradicts the original story. But I guess you didn't see it because you are being blind to being an NH fan who just came here to cause trouble and just are easily exposing yourself in many cases."

 

Ah, another somehow misinterpreted scene. I assume you are talking about the war-arc monologue when the alliance goes to Naruto. You realize this is a resolve to stand beside him, I.E., Narative Foreshadowing towards his intent (Riverkid, look here! Your clue!) that the ending was going to be NH. 615 cements things because we see a Naruto reach out hand holding here. Saying Naruto has no interest in her is faulty, given that no party forces him to do his confession to her. The "guilt by many parties" is laughable, not even taking in consideration he confesses before the so called "guilt evidence" people put out there, which is again, blatant lies and ridiculous, particularly when you look at the transcript of the dialogue. Shikamaru doesn't guilt him. Sakura doesn't. Sai doesn't. Who does it? Hinata's inability to understand him? What exactly, did she not understand? 

 

No, the Last does not have so much that contradicts the original story. And i'm not an NH fan. I'm an NS fan. But unlike you, I don't twist the events of the manga and bash the rival NH ship just because they got canon. Who cares? We look better in fanarts. 

 

You can keep your anger. But let's celebrate the joy of NS instead of this unhealthy bashing. 

 

First off, you are just the type to try to force your beliefs on others when you are just unable to see I am NOT bashing, I am bringing up valid points.

 

First off, Nagato needed Naruto alive in order to extract Kurama from him. So Hinata made things worse when she came out to "help" him. And who's to say just because he was pinned that he was automatically done? Who's to say he wouldn't have found a way? You're just talking out of your ass to make people see things your way.

 

I have seen Chapter 101 enough. Hinata, as she is coughing up from her wounds, is saying "Naruto... please... no more..." which basically is her telling him to give up after the beating he took from Neji sealing his Tenketsu up with the 8 Trigrams 64 Palms. But I guess you interpret that as Hinata meaning her wounds.

 

And yeah, she may have been "comforted", but she didn't give a damn once Naruto held her hand and such, and that she also may have visited Neji's grave a few times, but it's not like she truly cared about him, given she didn't understand the pain he went through before finding out about his father's sacrifice, be it unintentionally or otherwise.

 

And as for The Last... *tsk tsk tsk* Sakura DID guilt Naruto by trying to make him try to walk Hinata home, saying stuff like he doesn't know what love is (with Studio Pierrot making him not even if he made someone like Zabuza cry, or the pain he felt for loving Sakura and her feelings for Sasuke hurting him, etc.), and then the Genjutsu also guilting him further and further, showing that they weren't planned.

You can lie all you want, but i know the truth of why you came here. You came here to antagonize and bother, and to try to use your intellectual seeming attitude to justify you're right and we're wrong. I am not bashing, I am not twisting the truth, it is just a matter of fact none of this for the ending was planned. It was basically rushed for the sake of what seemed popular and what others wanted, not what Kishimoto himself necessarily wanted, hence why I said he sold out.

 

You're the type to not see it by using multi-syllabic words and such to try to justify it and make us seem like we're in the wrong because you want to make yourself feel better (even if I think your story of claiming to re-read stuff after hurting a friend's feelings about the ending is BS...), because you don't want to see us be able to think and actually question the logic towards the ending.

 

If anything, it just makes you out to be a coward when you can't even present your points realistically to  me or anyone else who "argues" (in your mind) with you.

[Shadow1275]

 

Cute, strawberry is one of my favorite fruits and flavors. 

 

But in seriousness, there has been no brainwashing, particularly since the medium more or less neatly lays with it's manga counterpart. 

[Yyubie]

@Bryon_Konoha_Ninja

Neji .... he should AT LEAST died as free man ... in the end he died as a slave , sad ...

[sushi.]

Bryon, Bryon.
 
So hey, did I put my points down realistically? Or is my diction still too abstract to genuinely grasp in your ponderings, exhumed into the embers of the passing eons of time? Because I find the "Oh you're trying to be smart arguments" just...silly. I've high education, so my vocabulary is a certain way, and I don't swear, so I come off professional and educated. Just how it is. 

This has got to be one of the most snobbish things I've ever read on this site..congratulations you don't swear you must come straight from Harvard lol

[Bail o' Lies]

Here is the problem with authorial/narrative/directorial intent. "Intention is nothing without action." So, if kishimoto intended something to happen or he wanted us to see but he didn't put it in the manga. Then those intentions are worthless.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 21 June 2021 - 12:53 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

@Bryon_Konoha_Ninja

Neji .... he should AT LEAST died as free man ... in the end he died as a slave , sad ...

 

Oh, yeah, which is what I find saddest about Neji's death; the fact he died as part of the curse of the Branch family, and yet nothing is implied to have changed about it. :(

 

 

This has got to be one of the most snobbish things I've ever read on this site..congratulations you don't swear you must come straight from Harvard lol

 

Yeah, LOL! I wondered what makes her feel like she is so much better than the rest of us.

 

Here the problem with authorial/narrative/directorial intent. "Intention is nothing without action." So if kishimoto intended something to happen or he wanted us to see but he didn't put it in the manga. Then those intentions are worthless.

 

Exactly, Bail. If there was intent, we sure as hell missed it, or Kishimoto didn't do a good job about it for sure. But realistically, there was really no intent in the long haul near the end.

[VanitasDS76491]

True I mean let's not forget what Hinata did in the Pain attack on Konoha, Hinata said she was being selfish, an act that would have gotten everyone in Konoha killed cause Pain one shot-her. And what do her fans do defend what she did while bashing the others for not doing a thing to help Naruto, but then gain you have to think of it like this, even let's say Sakura and or Ino did it the Hinata fans would just bash them for what Hinata did.
 
As James said said Pain should have ended her, I just hate Hinata's crazy fans as well we all know that they like to twist things around for their own liking the LAST is proof of that we it being a large retcon, and people say Kishi planned this all out no he didn't, now George RR Martin did plan his story out and he is a better writer than Kishi.
 
I mean again look at many NH fans who say they love Hinata more than they do Naruto, this is proof that the ending was not for Naruto but for the Hinata fans that were all in love with her.

Actually doc the only way hinata can die to pain is if she's so injured she dies after Nagato does his rebirth justu,if not and she died right there from the one shot she'd be brought back by Nagato negating the whole point. I say have her die neji's death in the war instead of neji dying it's hinata.

[Riverkid]

 

Narrative Intent means it -is- in the manga, I.E., the intended meaning of what you read. 

still waiting for the pagenumbers to showcase the narrative intent and development of Naruto and Hinata becoming a couple   

However i dont wait for the pagenumbers, because its clear that there are none in the 700chapter-Manga. The only thing you can provide is the one-sided crush from  Hinata, and the general development between these two. you can find general development between Naruto and Neji, Sakura, Kakashi, Sai, Shikamaru, Tsunade etc. would that make sense if he ends up in a relationship with one of them ?

But because you are a 'god-knows-good'-Writer you are able to feel the 'romantic-sense' within the development. I don't have to repeat the part that you just put up a illusion infront of you.

[TouKen4Life3g]

More changes has been made in the recent episode. I'll watch and see what they're referring to. Apparently, it was rushed.

[tricksie]

 

I love this "I just write something down thing". You amuse me.

 

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Bryon, Bryon. 

 

 

You can keep your anger. But let's celebrate the joy of NS instead of this unhealthy bashing. 

 

 

Bryon, Bryon.

 

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 I did not come here to "Antagonize and bother", I've very much said why I've come here at least two times, perhaps more. So unfortunately, this is wrong. Yes, you have bashed, and twisted the truth. These things were planned, there is nothing to suggest it was rushed for what "seemed popular and what others wanted", and the term "sell out", and what Kishimoto himself necessarily wanted both seem silly, particularly since we have interviews where he red inked the Last so much he was worried the writers would get annoyed. Maybe it was just your expectations that were in error, not Kishimoto's delivery. Mine were in error too! I just moved past it and understood why they were in error, and did not blame the author. 

 

So hey, did I put my points down realistically? Or is my diction still too abstract to genuinely grasp in your ponderings, exhumed into the embers of the passing eons of time? Because I find the "Oh you're trying to be smart arguments" just...silly. I've high education, so my vocabulary is a certain way, and I don't swear, so I come off professional and educated. Just how it is.  

 

 

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??

 

Where do you get off telling anyone who disagrees not to bash, yet bashing others in almost the same breath? Talking down to users, forcing your opinions as FACT then telling anyone who refutes it that you are highly educated so perhaps they don't understand your vocabulary??

 

You are not a mod. And  you are not Kishimoto. Your statements are opinion only. And they are no more valid than anyone else's opinion.

 

No one cares who you ship. Everyone is welcome here. The only stipulation is that you respect others. But time and again you have crossed that line.

 

So this is your single warn. The incessant arguing with members, hijacking the thread to argue purported 'facts' that neither you nor any other member can verify, belittling them with passive digs, then ending your post with a 'but let's not bash' comment, is not acceptable here.

 

You can continue on at this site and post under threads so long as they relate to the topic at hand, with the understanding that posts represent your opinion only. If you don't back off with the arguing, it will result in a site ban, with the length of time tbd.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Eh...Did I see my reason to stop talking back? I think I did.

 

Also, Gaiden will end next week.

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 30 August 2017 - 01:17 PM.

[tricksie]

In Fairness to the above, my use of "intelligence" was bashed so I turned it back into a poetic line of snarkiness with alliteration. That does not make it right, but that is my reason. It was a direct response to those words, and not points. 

 

Also Fairness to the above, I do not force opinions as facts, but that does not mean that every opinion expressed is not wrong, I.E., an opinion -can- be wrong, even mine, if it misstates fact, and an opinion can be less valid, because valid represents sound reasoning. I am careful to occasionaly state that people may believe what they wish to believe, there are certainly valid opinions expressed, but not every opinion is so, particularly when it is wrong, and provably so. 

 

Finally, I only discuss what is being discussed. In general I would not say I am even "Hijacking", I discuss what I see being discussed because it interests me to. 

 

That said, I will tone back the passive digs and the "Let's not bash" at the end statements. 

 

 

There is no need to argue any points of what I said. I've made myself perfectly clear.

 

And if I took the time to spell it out expected behavior while on this site, then yes you are still crossing the line. The mods are in agreement.

 

You don't have to believe, understand or agree with that. But you still have to stop. The needless arguing and hijacking the threads, the passive digs and active bashing — you have to stop all of it. 

 

This isn't a joke or a game, a negotiation or an invitation to yet another argument. This is your official warning. If I or any other mods see you doing any of the above listed behaviors it will be an immediate ban.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??

 

Where do you get off telling anyone who disagrees not to bash, yet bashing others in almost the same breath? Talking down to users, forcing your opinions as FACT then telling anyone who refutes it that you are highly educated so perhaps they don't understand your vocabulary??

 

Thanks, Tricks :) Honestly, I am glad a mod came in to talk about this. And really, after all this was said and done, I am just done replying to Analyzer, since I didn't enjoy how she was talking down to me, when all I was doing was giving retorts to her and all

[Riverkid]

No, none of those make sense because of narrative intent. I could cross off each of those as being explicitly platonic or being later shut down as anything more then that, for those that had hopeful tones. 

 

There's an argument that you can snip away part two, and while some major things would be missing (Sasuke's return, Neji's death, Sai, Naruto becoming Hokage), three of the pairings would line up.  That said, I am going to leave that as a statement (Purposefully student, yes!) and focus on one scene. When you present more questions I will go back and actually build up on that point. See, rather than detail all of part one I am going to attempt to show you through just one arc's chapter.

 

You are looking for an explicit sorts of "I have feelings for this person", The Last gives you this, but it also says they were always there. The manga is more subtle. 

Im not looking for a "I have feelings for this person"-Moment. You said that there are enough details within the 700Chapter-Story (not "The Last") to justify the ending (+pairing). So i'm asking for the details. I want to see pages where we see Naruto working/developing towards a relationship with Hinata. That does not mean that i only want pages where we see Naruto announcing his feelings to someone else. I want to see Naruto having a interest in Hinata, maybe the interest to know about her more. I want to see Naruto getting closer to Hinata (not being closer as an important friend).

 

 

 

Then she gets crushed a moment later, and Naruto sees is full of rising anger. I've seen "What if it was someone else here!", but the simple answer is its not, it was not the plan, and this scene is one of those Kishimoto uses to help cement 700, the other 615. And you know that other scene student.

The simple answer isn't "no". We saw Naruto going 4-Tails because Orochimaru talked badly about Sasuke, and you think it requires 'Hinata' to rise more anger than that ? You could throw in Choji, and when it looks like that he is killed Naruto would also go full rage-mode. Rage/Hate can't be classified towards 'love' just that easily. It looked more of an rage because a friend died while the situation was in his responsibility rather than because of his feeling towards Hinata.

The scene of Obito with Rin being killed is more of an rage because of his feeling towards her. Thats not the same thing with Naruto and Hinata.

You are already setting the tone of this Act without profound reasons, just to support your argumentation.

 

 

 

We get a scene of Naruto, distraught, demanding to know why this has happened. He wasn't enraged before. The only this could be Hinata, and it's clear from the context. We get words from Pain about unquenchable hate, and Naruto not knowing how to face it. This is after Pain talks about Love bringing about hate, comparing Hinata to the loss of his loved ones

Still providing your argumentation with the provided fact by yours that his rage is solely because of his feeling towards Hinata. There are no clear signs of him having a romantic feelings towards Hinata... that would be just absurd in that context. Naruto has a big heart, for all of his friends. He repeats all the time how much he cares for his friends, like a family.. like loved persons. 

This settled stage is just showing the audience what happens when Naruto loses one of his friends while facing an enemy, and not because of his feelings towards Hinata. We already saw that in the Gaara arc, where is seal wasn't that weak as in the Pain-Arc.

Pain killed Jiraiya, destroyed Konoha, killed many comrades and even Kakashi. To think his rage is just because of Hinata.. well.. You really like to ignore the whole scene just to support your argumentation with a tunnelvisioned analysis.


 

 

 

This is not even touching 615, another moment of Naruto reciprocation, in a way. No, there are no romantic overtones, Riverkid, but there is no doubt about Naruto's feelings to her by that time, and the conclusion of 700 with those two should be clear to you. 

So after bringing nothing to the table, you just jump straight to the end and call that 'clear'. how weak.

You can send me a PN if you like, when you found the pages of Naruto working/developing towards a relationship with Hinata. I don't want to see pages of romantic feelings, dont worry. I just want to see a scene, or maybe a dialoge between them where Naruto shows interest in her more than just a friend. 

Or.. you can go back to your "so called" argumentation, and admit that you just talked bulls't to prove your already weak standpoint. 

And yes.. you are hypocritical :-) 

Stop writing so much without context, bring something already on the table which can be accepted as a good argumentation/detail



 

[Riverkid]

 

Isn't the issue with what you are looking for explicitly run into issues in that the story is not a romance, and doubly so, that Naruto could not understand if his feelings were platonic or romantic? That essentially answers the why you do not see the piece you require, though I stand that this piece is not a necessity of the ending's valid. 

So we can have a narrative intent of where Sakura wantsa relationship with Sasuke. where Hinata wants a relationship with Naruto. Karin also showing some sort of hints towards Sasuke. But when it comes to Naruto you pull out the "there are no romance" - card.. i got it, you got nothing in your hands to support your argumentation you stated at the beginning. Thx for revealing it

Edited by Riverkid, 30 August 2017 - 04:40 PM.

[Qia]

But the Pain fight doesn't show Hinata's special to him in that way at all.... "Special" implies that she's the only one he would have reacted a certain way to, but emphasis was already given before on how much Naruto had lost already: His anger and sadness over Jiraiya's death, the loss of Kakashi (he was shown asking about him for a reason....), the death of papa frog, the destruction of the entire village. The fact that he was about to be taken and, let's just say Hinata was the one to save him - or at least try to- was simply the trigger...because yet again he's lost a friend trying to fight for his sake (which is why later on he decides to try and take everything on by himself). Essentially, he was forced into a corner and gave into the feeling of hatred he held for Pain at the point, since the Kyuubi's answer was to destroy everything that hurts him. And, in that moment, Naruto really hates and wants to destroy Pain for everything he's done.  To say it was mainly because of some hidden feelings he has for Hinata would lead to, IMO, the diminished impact of this message. 

 

If no one else had died that fight that was close to Naruto, I would gladly admit that it was because she's "special" to him in a way he has yet to realize. However, I can't ignore panels that the author took the time to draw and show me.  It's especially so when Naruto gives his reply to her confession in chapter 559. I never got the impression that he misunderstood but simply in that moment saw the hidden strength that Hinata has inside her and that she was able to show because she was trying to protect one of her precious persons. But that's it though. 

Edited by Qia, 30 August 2017 - 05:14 PM.