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[Kagomaru]

Speaking of Hinata apologists,  I just awoke the pro-ending guard dogs within two of my friends on another forum I frequent by mentioning how Naruto 'conveniently'knowing Kage no Jutsu six years before he even knew the technique existed to protect Hinata and how Iruka and Team Seven were Naruto's first bonds.  I'm just going to hang here because I am *not* going to have this discussion with them for the x time because they are nearly as bad as Analyzer when it comes to denial.

[BlackShirtGuy]

Speaking of Hinata apologists,  I just awoke the pro-ending guard dogs within two of my friends on another forum I frequent by mentioning how Naruto 'conveniently'knowing Kage no Jutsu six years before he even knew the technique existed to protect Hinata and how Iruka and Team Seven were Naruto's first bonds.  I'm just going to hang here because I am *not* going to have this discussion with them for the x time because they are nearly as bad as Analyzer when it comes to denial.

Speaking objectively and I mean really objetively here:

I always thought Hinata was the Red herring of Naruto's romantic life, she had very little interactions with him, her confession was never adressed, neither mentioned again in the manga, her own arc I thought initially was about her becoming stronger and someone who can walk besides Naruto, even as her own flipping wife however, we see that she will never go against him even if she believes that his absence is problematic for her children, now hear me out I personally never liked Hinata during the manga run but is funny how she became a housewife (negating all of the stuff she said about wanting to become stronger) and not only that, she prefers to takes Naruto side even when she herselfs knows her own flipping kids are unhappy with the situation.

Edited by BlackShirtGuy, 27 August 2017 - 01:29 AM.

[Yyubie]

Speaking of Hinata apologists,  I just awoke the pro-ending guard dogs within two of my friends on another forum I frequent by mentioning how Naruto 'conveniently'knowing Kage no Jutsu six years before he even knew the technique existed to protect Hinata and how Iruka and Team Seven were Naruto's first bonds.  I'm just going to hang here because I am *not* going to have this discussion with them for the x time because they are nearly as bad as Analyzer when it comes to denial.

I hope you didn't leave trail and not bring them here ... already have one here and that is hard enough.

[Kagomaru]

I hope you didn't leave trail and not bring them here ... already have one here and that is hard enough.

Nah, they're not nearly that fanatical and they aren't the type to stir trouble.

[Bail o' Lies]

Speaking objectively and I mean really objetively here:

I always thought Hinata was the Red herring of Naruto's romantic life, she had very little interactions with him, her confession was never adressed, neither mentioned again in the manga, her arc own arc I thought initially was about her becoming stronger and someone who can walk besides Naruto, even as her own flipping wife however, we see that she will never go against him even if she believes that his absence is problematic for her children, now hear me out I personally never liked Hinata during the manga run but is funny how she became a housewife (negating all of the stuff she said about wanting to become stronger) and not only that, she prefers to takes Naruto side even when she herselfs knows her own flipping kids are unhappy with the situation.

 

She was, and also honestly not even that. She originally was just a girl that befriends Naruto so we be interested in his first round fight in the tournament. Once she did that her role in Naruto was complete, she was then just a tertiary background character. But then the new editors told Kishi of her popularity and constantly tried to push her into more scene. Some even thought that that hinata should replace Sakura as the love interest as well as the heroine, and some thought that her confession did just that. Kishimoto resisted at first but in the end gave up and did what they wanted. Now he stuck being the editor of the sequel because they fear the if he isn't involve that Boruto would completely collapse.

[ThroughWithLove]

 

She was, and also honestly not even that. She originally was just a girl that befriends Naruto so we be interested in his first round fight in the tournament. Once she did that her role in Naruto was complete, she was then just a tertiary background character. But then the new editors told Kishi of her popularity and constantly tried to push her into more scene. Some even thought that that hinata should replace Sakura as the love interest as well as the heroine, and some thought that her confession did just that. Kishimoto resisted at first but in the end gave up and did what they wanted. Now he stuck being the editor of the sequel because they fear the if he isn't involve that Boruto would completely collapse.

 

At the rate it's going, it'll collapse no matter what. I'll give it one more year tops. Expect Bleach/Toriko treatment both for the manga and the anime.

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 26 August 2017 - 11:54 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

I hope you didn't leave trail and not bring them here ... already have one here and that is hard enough.

Don't worry Hinatatus obsessio are normally content to stay in their territory, what we're dealing with is an annoying subspecies Hinatatus obsessio missionarius.

 

At the rate it's going, it'll collapse no matter what. I'll give it one more year tops. Expect Bleach/Toriko treatment both for the manga and the anime.

One can hope, also hopefully Black Clover well speed that along.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 21 June 2021 - 12:51 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Speaking objectively and I mean really objetively here:
I always thought Hinata was the Red herring of Naruto's romantic life, she had very little interactions with him, her confession was never adressed, neither mentioned again in the manga, her arc own arc I thought initially was about her becoming stronger and someone who can walk besides Naruto, even as her own flipping wife however, we see that she will never go against him even if she believes that his absence is problematic for her children, now hear me out I personally never liked Hinata during the manga run but is funny how she became a housewife (negating all of the stuff she said about wanting to become stronger) and not only that, she prefers to takes Naruto side even when she herselfs knows her own flipping kids are unhappy with the situation.

Dude everyone in naruto is the complete oppose of how they were before like the characters in bleach save for maybe rukia and renji.

[BlackShirtGuy]

Dude everyone in naruto is the complete oppose of how they were before like the characters in bleach save for maybe rukia and renji.

Yep, the heavy prize this series had to pay because some people couldn't shut up about Hinata-Sama and that Kishi gave in to peer pressure just like how Naruto did about his "love" for Hinata in The Last xD
 

 

 

She was, and also honestly not even that. She originally was just a girl that befriends Naruto so we be interested in his first round fight in the tournament. Once she did that her role in Naruto was complete, she was then just a tertiary background character. But then the new editors told Kishi of her popularity and constantly tried to push her into more scene. Some even thought that that hinata should replace Sakura as the love interest as well as the heroine, and some thought that her confession did just that. Kishimoto resisted at first but in the end gave up and did what they wanted. Now he stuck being the editor of the sequel because they fear the if he isn't involve that Boruto would completely collapse.

I'll always resent Kishi for this, not for making NH and SS canon, but for all the stuff he had to change in charcters like Naruto and Sakura just because some idiots thought they knew this story and their characters better than anyone else and demanded things to go their way (this goes to both the hardcore idiots NH and SS fans and Studio Pierriot and his unhealthy obsession with Hinata)

 

 

At the rate it's going, it'll collapse no matter what. I'll give it one more year tops. Expect Bleach/Toriko treatment both for the manga and the anime.

I really hope you are right, let this series die don't create more of something that was suppoused to end while ago.

[lupina]

Speaking objectively and I mean really objetively here:

I always thought Hinata was the Red herring of Naruto's romantic life, she had very little interactions with him, her confession was never adressed, neither mentioned again in the manga, her own arc I thought initially was about her becoming stronger and someone who can walk besides Naruto, even as her own flipping wife however, we see that she will never go against him even if she believes that his absence is problematic for her children, now hear me out I personally never liked Hinata during the manga run but is funny how she became a housewife (negating all of the stuff she said about wanting to become stronger) and not only that, she prefers to takes Naruto side even when she herselfs knows her own flipping kids are unhappy with the situation.

 

Lol, I thought the exact same thing about SS. 

Sasuke, being a shallow love interest while Sakura starts developing feelings for Naruto wich stand on a solid ground ... 

In the End, she would reach her goal of Sasuke aknowledging her, but she does not desireto be his anymore. Instead, her shallow crush was replaced with a honest deep happiness that Sasuke turned his back on the darkness. 

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

Lol, I thought the exact same thing about SS. 

Sasuke, being a shallow love interest while Sakura starts developing feelings for Naruto wich stand on a solid ground ... 

In the End, she would reach her goal of Sasuke aknowledging her, but she does not desireto be his anymore. Instead, her shallow crush was replaced with a honest deep happiness that Sasuke turned his back on the darkness. 

 

Seconded, and how Hinata would see while she is ATTRACTED to Naruto, she doesn't really love him, but the IDEA of him and that she realizes that she needs to let him go and stand up on her own feet for a change. THAT is how Kishi should have done that instead of this bull**** he claims about the ending and how he planned it and all when he choked.

[T XD]

Looking back after I was wrong, you can tell there is a very different treatment to NH moments, they're not played up for humor, except for once perhaps, when she faints. The tone is very different.

You said you didn't look back after NH and SS happened at the end, and that you knew NH and SS were the ones planned.

Edited by T XD, 27 August 2017 - 07:21 PM.

[Kagomaru]

 

Seconded, and how Hinata would see while she is ATTRACTED to Naruto, she doesn't really love him, but the IDEA of him and that she realizes that she needs to let him go and stand up on her own feet for a change. THAT is how Kishi should have done that instead of this bull**** he claims about the ending and how he planned it and all when he choked.

That's what happens when you make up the story as you go along and allow external pressures to influence you.

[sushi.]

 
But this is not true. 

What a rather short analysis. Also false statement. Objectively incorrect. Fake news. Please elaborate on your argument.

[T XD]

 

What are you talking about? 

You said you knew NH and SS were the planned pairings when you were reading the manga and didn't look back to see what you missed about them when 700 made NH and SS, right ?

Edited by T XD, 28 August 2017 - 12:30 PM.

[T XD]

No, that's in relevance to the interviews where I say the two were planned pairings by word of Kishimoto, and that if a reader goes back they can see that. 
 
In my initial reading I thought and was hoping it would be NS, but saw that NH definitely had a chance. I had never really paid much attention to SS but if I had predicted if Sasuke survived and NS didn't happen then SS probably would. Though I partially kept this mindset to not get too angry if NS didn't happen, I still was upset for a time. I did go back and confirm the above through spending time reading different things from different sides of the fandom. 

I know what you think of Kishimoto's interviews. I'm not pointing to that. I'm saying what you said two weeks ago and what you said yesterday.

 

Two weeks ago you said that you didn't go back, it was always there and the building blocks are there. If it was always there and the building blocks were there then the fan base would be much more different, no backlash reaching Kishimto, nor would I be arguing you.

Whereas yesterday, you said you looked back after you were wrong and you saw NH is different than what you initially saw.
 
Two weeks ago :

The last part is silly? No, I didn't go back to convince myself it was always there, it -was- always there. The building blocks are there, and Kishimoto's statements about what he did more or less add up to them. The Author is the foremost point in what is and isn't in a story. For your narrative to work, you -have- to throw the Author, the manga, the studios, all of these other entities, as liars, and more or less, into a wild conspiracy theory. But maybe, and far, far more simpler and reasonable, that isn't the case.

 

Yesterday :

Looking back after I was wrong, you can tell there is a very different treatment to NH moments, they're not played up for humor, except for once perhaps, when she faints. The tone is very different.

 

 

No, that's in relevance to the interviews where I say the two were planned pairings by word of Kishimoto, and that if a reader goes back they can see that.
 
In my initial reading I thought and was hoping it would be NS, but saw that NH definitely had a chance. I had never really paid much attention to SS but if I had predicted if Sasuke survived and NS didn't happen then SS probably would. Though I partially kept this mindset to not get too angry if NS didn't happen, I still was upset for a time. I did go back and confirm the above through spending time reading different things from different sides of the fandom.

Now in your recent post, you're saying in the first bold part that in your initial reading, you thought about NS, but saw NH had a chance. Also, you said in the second bold part of this post that you did go back and confirm the above through reading different sides of the fandom. Plus, of what you pointed to us to read about are NH articles a few days ago that you saw credibility in.

 

You've lost your objectivity from what you're saying in these posts.

 

These three posts you made contradict each other. You can play with the words and reform sentences all you want.

 

Everything points to the opposite of what you were saying all along. You need to accept that Kishimoto and his staff veered off down a path for NH and SS much later on in the story.

Edited by T XD, 28 August 2017 - 02:14 PM.

[sushi.]

Analyzer: Reciepts?

T XD:

[T XD]

 

I did not go back and convince myself no. I went to go back and read what I missed. I.E., the context of the first one needs to be taken in effect. My dissent was on the word convince, as I was not brainwashing myself. 

I'm not talking of convincing. I'm talking about what you said in the matter as a whole; which is you went back and read what you missed as you also said in this post. You've lost your objectivity.

 

I know I tease you sometimes, but I'm not trying to irritate you. I'm making you see the contradictions in your posts.

Edited by T XD, 28 August 2017 - 02:27 PM.

[T XD]

 

There's still no contradiction: I believed things, I was wrong in my belief that NS would be canon despite the possibilities I saw in other conclusions, and I went back and read the manga and posts to fully comprehend and understand these possibilities. Based on the total information I gathered, I saw that these possibilities that ultimately came true made sense. 

 

I'm not irritated, I'm baffled at your conclusion of contradiction. At the very least, take the above as a bare-bones piece of clarity. 

The contradictions are about your posts. What you claimed doing then afterwards saying the opposite of what you claimed doing.

 

My point is, as you keep saying, you went back and reread the manga and posts to comprehend and understand what happened which you've lost your objectivity.

Edited by T XD, 28 August 2017 - 02:36 PM.

[BlackShirtGuy]

Rereading to understand does not have anything to do with objectivity. I.E., Had it no foundation, I could have come up with a conclusion that I think made no sense.

Yeah, but you are merely talking on re-reading it to make a nonesense pairing make sense for you, in other words: S U B J E C T I V E