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[Traci]

I Agree partially, his clan did not get wiped out without negotiation the third hokage offer negotiation but the time was running out then one day before he made the offer to itachi.

2-> If we follow your logic naruto should not have allegiance with konoha because his parents die to save the village and everyone treated him like a trash plus, his mother come to konoha only as a jinchuuriki.
The difference is naruto's friends are his family, and what about Sasuke.

Sasuke back i dont know about this since he will become the last villain.

Sasuke has bonds with naruto despite he did not say we are friends or whatever but he has, because he made a promise to naruto.

I think what PachucoDesigns is trying to say is that Sasuke shouldn't be obligated to have an allegiance with Konoha. Based on what happened, it makes sense that he should have the choice whether to stay or not.

I doubt Sasuke is coming back to Konoha. Didn't Kishi say that the ending to Naruto would be bittersweet? I think I heard that somewhere...

P.S. Thanks for the welcoming Transformers03!

[Transformers03]

I think what PachucoDesigns is trying to say is that Sasuke shouldn't be obligated to have an allegiance with Konoha. Based on what happened, it makes sense that he should have the choice whether to stay or not.

I doubt Sasuke is coming back to Konoha. Didn't Kishi say that the ending to Naruto would be bittersweet? I think I heard that somewhere...

P.S. Thanks for the welcoming Transformers03!

I didn't hear Kishi say that, but I do think the series will end bittersweet. I think the series will end with Sasuke dying or not coming back.

P.S. Your welcome.

[kidNinja]

Did you guys ever hear the rumor that Kishi was originally going to make Hinata a princess and Naruto's love interest.(Like the princesses in the movies) I know he did say he was going to originally make her into a civilian who was interested in Naruto but scrapped the idea. Any truth in the princess part though? (Other than the fact that she technically is one already....)


I also heard that he wasn't going to make Sakura until his editor pushed him to, but of course I'm pretty sure that's a load of BS. (Though I know this was true in Sasuke's case.)

Edited by kidNinja, 14 July 2012 - 09:37 PM.

[PachucoDesigns]

I Agree partially, his clan did not get wiped out without negotiation the third hokage offer negotiation but the time was running out then one day before he made the offer to itachi.

2-> If we follow your logic naruto should not have allegiance with konoha because his parents die to save the village and everyone treated him like a trash plus, his mother come to konoha only as a jinchuuriki.
The difference is naruto's friends are his family, and what about Sasuke.

Sasuke back i dont know about this since he will become the last villain.

Sasuke has bonds with naruto despite he did not say we are friends or whatever but he has, because he made a promise to naruto.

1 - The pattern could not have been noticed at the last minute, and there is no way they had no time to attempt some sort of communication. Even if they were too late, there must have been some measure of containment that could have been taken before resorting to mass murder. And do you really think Sasuke would care about that? He was a kid. He saw his clan turned to a wasteland of corpses, and at the hands of his older brother on a total lie.

2- Naruto's parents sacrificed their lives willingly to save the village and died heroes. Sasuke's entire family, including his parents, were murdered in cold blood in order to save the village, and his clan had been labeled as a traitorous disgrace. And not only that, but he had to live his life believing it was the fault of his closest relative instead of knowing the truth of the village's will. Naruto inherited the legacy of a champion and legend. Sasuke's family was blotted out in spite, and the details of the espionage were swept under the proverbial rug. The logic is in no way parallel.

Naruto never had a family, so he turned his friends into his family. Sasuke did have a family, and a pride in that family, and it was brutally taken away from him.

Yes, he does have bonds with Naruto. But the village, in his eyes, has also betrayed him. I make no bones with him remaining friends with Naruto, but I would rather see him leave the village as a wanderer or as the founder of his own village to re-sow the seeds of the Uchiha clan.

[redragon88]

Did you guys ever hear the rumor that Kishi was originally going to make Hinata a princess and Naruto's love interest.(Like the princesses in the movies) I know he did say he was going to originally make her into a civilian who was interested in Naruto but scrapped the idea. Any truth in the princess part though? (Other than the fact that she technically is one already....)


I also heard that he wasn't going to make Sakura until his editor pushed him to, but of course I'm pretty sure that's a load of BS. (Though I know this was true in Sasuke's case.)

I did hear about Hinata originally just being a civilian. That makes me think that her role in the series was actually gonna be smaller than it is now. I don't think Kishi had any plans to make her a genuine love interest that Naruto took an interest with. She would've just been as she is now: a side character with a crush on the hero.

Even if as a love interest she's just a red herring Kishi probably wanted her to be more notable, so he made her a ninja.

[Strangelove]

D'oh, now I feel like an idiot with that typo nice comeback, though LOL. I guess this means we're even .

Anyways, if you want to see the chapter, here:

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[Gravenimage]

I did hear about Hinata originally just being a civilian. That makes me think that her role in the series was actually gonna be smaller than it is now. I don't think Kishi had any plans to make her a genuine love interest that Naruto took an interest with. She would've just been as she is now: a side character with a crush on the hero.

Even if as a love interest she's just a red herring Kishi probably wanted her to be more notable, so he made her a ninja.

There are also rumors that the only reason Kishi made Hinata a ninja is because he already had Kiba and Shino in team eight and he wanted to balance the team with having one female member.

Team 7- Sakura
Team Gai- Tenten
Team 10- Ino
Team 8- Hinata

It makes sense when you think about it. Kishi only add Hinata to have that female member in team 8, that's why he changed his mind in having her as a Hyuga civilian.

[ciardha]

Did you guys ever hear the rumor that Kishi was originally going to make Hinata a princess and Naruto's love interest.(Like the princesses in the movies) I know he did say he was going to originally make her into a civilian who was interested in Naruto but scrapped the idea. Any truth in the princess part though? (Other than the fact that she technically is one already....)


I also heard that he wasn't going to make Sakura until his editor pushed him to, but of course I'm pretty sure that's a load of BS. (Though I know this was true in Sasuke's case.)

That's a fake story nh shippers push. It's all based on an undated drawing of Hinata in a dress where you see a tiny image of Naruto looking like he's fishing in the background. Absolutely no interaction in the drawing between Naruto and Hinata or in the story mentioned in databook about the drawing, and in fact, in the note beside the drawing Kishimoto's says his "sensei" (mangka often call their first editor sensei) suggested the character and her design to him. (so it's Hinata not Sakura who was actually an overt editor idea). We do know in fact, that Hinata actually wasn't created until some time after the series was underway, when his editor suggested creating more support characters the age of the main characters. Thus the Chunin exams arc was created.

Sakura was created way before Hinata- as Kishimoto was hashing out the story concept. In the first concept he gave to his editor the only characters he had were Naruto, Kakashi, plus, it sounds like Hiruzen and Jiraiya. The editor noticed the lack of core elements of Shonen Jump stories- a rival male character to draw reader sympathy and interest to the story. So Kishimoto researched the style of Shonen Jump rival characters and came up with Sasuke- but reversed the typical formula where the rival becomes a friend and had the rival start out friendly and become an enemy.

While he was doing this, it sounds like, on his own, he realized another thing he was missing was a female love interest for the title character, so he came up with Sakura- but did so on his own, not consciously basing her on Jump style female characters- which is pretty clear, you have to go way back to Kaori of City Hunter to see any JUMP female character that has any possible resemblance to Sakura. (Kishimoto researched all of JUMP's archives to make Naruto's character design fit in with JUMP's style, so Kaori of City Hunter having some vague inspiration is possible. But it looks like Sakura is the one of the main characters that entirely belongs to Kishimoto- no wonder he's always felt so modest yet intensely positive about her character. (But I do have to mention that Oda said about attending Kishimoto's wedding that Kishimoto's wife "looked just like Sakura"- Oda reports this in his author notes for volume 32, chapter 296 of One Piece, so you can read that for yourself. So it sounds like Sakura had personal real life inspiration for Kishimoto- they must have been already dating in 1999, and we know married in the fall of 2003. And on top of that Kishimoto point blank said he asked his wife for advice on how to write Kushina, and note the extremely striking similarities between Sakura's and Kushina's personalities and interactions and opinions of Naruto and Minato.)

Edited by ciardha, 15 July 2012 - 12:22 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That's a fake story nh shippers push. It's all based on an undated drawing of Hinata in a dress where you see a tiny image of Naruto looking like he's fishing in the background. Absolutely no interaction in the drawing between Naruto and Hinata or in the story mentioned in databook about the drawing, and in fact, in the note beside the drawing Kishimoto's says his "sensei" (mangka often call their first editor sensei) suggested the character and her design to him. (so it's Hinata not Sakura who was actually an overt editor idea). We do know in fact, that Hinata actually wasn't created until some time after the series was underway, when his editor suggested creating more support characters the age of the main characters. Thus the Chunin exams arc was created.

Sakura was created way before Hinata- as Kishimoto was hashing out the story concept. In the first concept he gave to his editor the only characters he had were Naruto, Kakashi, plus, it sounds like Hiruzen and Jiraiya. The editor noticed the lack of core elements of Shonen Jump stories- a rival male character to draw reader sympathy and interest to the story. So Kishimoto researched the style of Shonen Jump rival characters and came up with Sasuke- but reversed the typical formula where the rival becomes a friend and had the rival start out friendly and become an enemy. While he was doing this, it sounds like, on his own, he realized another thing he was missing was a female love interest for the named character, so he came up with Sakura- but did so on his own, not consciously basing her on Jump style female characters- which is pretty clear, you have to go way back to Kaori of City Hunter to see any JUMP female character that has any possible resemblance to Sakura (Kishimoto researched all of JUMP's archives to make Naruto's character design fit in with JUMP's style. So actually Sakura is the one of the main character that entirely belongs to Kishimoto. No wonder he feels so modest yet intensely positive about her character. (But Oda said when he saw when attending Kishimoto's wedding that his wife looked just like Sakura- Oda reports this in his author notes for volume 32, chapter 296 of One Piece, so you can read that for yourself. So it sounds like Sakura had personal real life inspiration for Kishimoto- they must have been already dating in 1999, and married in the fall of 2003. And Kishimoto point blank said he asked his wife for advice on how to write Kushina, and note the extremely striking similarities between Sakura's and Kushina's personalities and interactions and opinions of Naruto and Minato.)

Yes i agree with you, i've seen this on the JUMP japanese forums.

[Verilance]

only to add a bit more Kishimoto also liked the dynamic in Slam Dunk between the three main characters

Hanamichi Sakuragi (桜木 花道 Sakuragi Hanamichi?) is the protagonist of Slam Dunk. At the beginning of the series, Sakuragi is a slacker, good for nothing other than fighting. He is the leader of the feared "Sakuragi's Gang", which consists of his four friends Mito, Noma, Ohkusu and Takamiya. Sakuragi was always trying to ask girls out, but was rejected constantly, the 50th rejection occurring at the start of the series. He then met Haruko Akagi, a lovely basketball fangirl, whom he fell in love with immediately.

Kaede Rukawa (流川 楓 Rukawa Kaede?) is Sakuragi's rival as well as his opposite; girls seem to be attracted to him, skilled at basketball, and very cold and aloof, mostly unfeeling. In the series, he is rarely seen with smile on his face

Haruko Akagi (赤木 晴子 Akagi Haruko?) is Takenori's younger sister and Sakuragi's love interest. Sweet and with a captivating personality, she is always around to cheer on the players, especially her brother Takenori, who is extremely protective of her and taught her the basics of basketball, and Sakuragi, whom she considers her best friend. Haruko often appears at matches together with Sakuragi's cohorts and her two best friends, Fujii and Matsui. She, like most girls in Shohoku, only has eyes for Rukawa, although he never reciprocates her feelings

sound familiar

[Dalton.T.R]

only to add a bit more Kishimoto also liked the dynamic in Slam Dunk between the three main characters

Hanamichi Sakuragi (桜木 花道 Sakuragi Hanamichi?) is the protagonist of Slam Dunk. At the beginning of the series, Sakuragi is a slacker, good for nothing other than fighting. He is the leader of the feared "Sakuragi's Gang", which consists of his four friends Mito, Noma, Ohkusu and Takamiya. Sakuragi was always trying to ask girls out, but was rejected constantly, the 50th rejection occurring at the start of the series. He then met Haruko Akagi, a lovely basketball fangirl, whom he fell in love with immediately.

Kaede Rukawa (流川 楓 Rukawa Kaede?) is Sakuragi's rival as well as his opposite; girls seem to be attracted to him, skilled at basketball, and very cold and aloof, mostly unfeeling. In the series, he is rarely seen with smile on his face

Haruko Akagi (赤木 晴子 Akagi Haruko?) is Takenori's younger sister and Sakuragi's love interest. Sweet and with a captivating personality, she is always around to cheer on the players, especially her brother Takenori, who is extremely protective of her and taught her the basics of basketball, and Sakuragi, whom she considers her best friend. Haruko often appears at matches together with Sakuragi's cohorts and her two best friends, Fujii and Matsui. She, like most girls in Shohoku, only has eyes for Rukawa, although he never reciprocates her feelings

sound familiar

Huh... I didn't know Basketball was a sport over there. Hmm... I thought their big one is pingpong....or is that China? IT'S SO EASY TO GET THE TWO CONFUSED!!!!

[redragon88]

only to add a bit more Kishimoto also liked the dynamic in Slam Dunk between the three main characters

Hanamichi Sakuragi (桜木 花道 Sakuragi Hanamichi?) is the protagonist of Slam Dunk. At the beginning of the series, Sakuragi is a slacker, good for nothing other than fighting. He is the leader of the feared "Sakuragi's Gang", which consists of his four friends Mito, Noma, Ohkusu and Takamiya. Sakuragi was always trying to ask girls out, but was rejected constantly, the 50th rejection occurring at the start of the series. He then met Haruko Akagi, a lovely basketball fangirl, whom he fell in love with immediately.

Kaede Rukawa (流川 楓 Rukawa Kaede?) is Sakuragi's rival as well as his opposite; girls seem to be attracted to him, skilled at basketball, and very cold and aloof, mostly unfeeling. In the series, he is rarely seen with smile on his face

Haruko Akagi (赤木 晴子 Akagi Haruko?) is Takenori's younger sister and Sakuragi's love interest. Sweet and with a captivating personality, she is always around to cheer on the players, especially her brother Takenori, who is extremely protective of her and taught her the basics of basketball, and Sakuragi, whom she considers her best friend. Haruko often appears at matches together with Sakuragi's cohorts and her two best friends, Fujii and Matsui. She, like most girls in Shohoku, only has eyes for Rukawa, although he never reciprocates her feelings

sound familiar

But I hear that by the end of that series there was no resolution of the love triangle. I'm not completely sure but I think Sakuragi never even confessed to Akagi and she still retained her crush on Rukawa by the end. Although I heard she at least came to the realization that Rukawa would never love her, but it seems that even with that she still retained some of her crush for him until the end.

I'm not completely sure of the above so if someone has read this manga please let me know if I'm wrong. I just hope Kishimoto doesn't decide to do the no pairings route. At the very least we see Sakura developing feelings for Naruto, but in the Slam Dunk manga I think the heroine was never implied to have anything more than feelings of friendship for the hero, that's a real bummer.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

To me, keeping Sasuke out of the village takes priority even before that. After everything he, his brother, and his family have been through, he should have no further allegiance with them regardless of personal friendship. His clan was wiped out without negotation, and his brother was made to do it. He was lied to about it, and made to spend his years growing up with a bitter hatred, only to discover the truth after he killed Itachi. I don't care how badly Naruto wants him back, it doesn't make sense. And honestly, his whole "I'm going to bring Sasuke back" chase has been ridiculous to me from the start. What good would bringing back would do if he doesn't come willingly? "I'll drag you back even if I have to break your arms and legs. Because you're my friend." Really? Did he really think Sasuke would still be his friend after that? He'd likely end up spending his life in prison for his transgressions against the village, and to keep him from escaping. What, did Naruto intend to brighten up Sasuke's visiting hours? Would he bring him a cake and throw him a cell warming party? What a joke.

But Sasuke fail to realize that he has two-three people from Konoha are close to him. If he had descern Naruto's sad childhood history with Konoha. Sasuke should of realize how far Naruto and Sakura are willing to help Jim.

[PachucoDesigns]

But Sasuke fail to realize that he has two-three people from Konoha are close to him. If he had descern Naruto's sad childhood history with Konoha. Sasuke should of realize how far Naruto and Sakura are willing to help Jim.

If I were Sasuke, I wouldn't care. Their friendship alone would not be enough for me to forgive the village and return. Nothing would be the same. If I were to become friends with them again, it would be on different terms. Team 7 would be no more.

[The Tax-Man]

If I were Sasuke, I wouldn't care. Their friendship alone would not be enough for me to forgive the village and return. Nothing would be the same. If I were to become friends with them again, it would be on different terms. Team 7 would be no more.

Wait, forgive the village? What the heck did the village do to be forgiven for? Sasuke is the one in need of forgiveness by this point. Can you explain what you meant exactly?

[Transformers03]

That's a fake story nh shippers push. It's all based on an undated drawing of Hinata in a dress where you see a tiny image of Naruto looking like he's fishing in the background. Absolutely no interaction in the drawing between Naruto and Hinata or in the story mentioned in databook about the drawing, and in fact, in the note beside the drawing Kishimoto's says his "sensei" (mangka often call their first editor sensei) suggested the character and her design to him. (so it's Hinata not Sakura who was actually an overt editor idea). We do know in fact, that Hinata actually wasn't created until some time after the series was underway, when his editor suggested creating more support characters the age of the main characters. Thus the Chunin exams arc was created.

Sakura was created way before Hinata- as Kishimoto was hashing out the story concept. In the first concept he gave to his editor the only characters he had were Naruto, Kakashi, plus, it sounds like Hiruzen and Jiraiya. The editor noticed the lack of core elements of Shonen Jump stories- a rival male character to draw reader sympathy and interest to the story. So Kishimoto researched the style of Shonen Jump rival characters and came up with Sasuke- but reversed the typical formula where the rival becomes a friend and had the rival start out friendly and become an enemy.

While he was doing this, it sounds like, on his own, he realized another thing he was missing was a female love interest for the title character, so he came up with Sakura- but did so on his own, not consciously basing her on Jump style female characters- which is pretty clear, you have to go way back to Kaori of City Hunter to see any JUMP female character that has any possible resemblance to Sakura. (Kishimoto researched all of JUMP's archives to make Naruto's character design fit in with JUMP's style, so Kaori of City Hunter having some vague inspiration is possible. But it looks like Sakura is the one of the main characters that entirely belongs to Kishimoto- no wonder he's always felt so modest yet intensely positive about her character. (But I do have to mention that Oda said about attending Kishimoto's wedding that Kishimoto's wife "looked just like Sakura"- Oda reports this in his author notes for volume 32, chapter 296 of One Piece, so you can read that for yourself. So it sounds like Sakura had personal real life inspiration for Kishimoto- they must have been already dating in 1999, and we know married in the fall of 2003. And on top of that Kishimoto point blank said he asked his wife for advice on how to write Kushina, and note the extremely striking similarities between Sakura's and Kushina's personalities and interactions and opinions of Naruto and Minato.)

I once commented here using pretty much what you just said, so yeah I agree with you. It's information like these that make me wonder what makes the other shipping believe their pairing will happen, and have complete confidence in it. In my opinion, unless proven wrong, I think shouldn't be an argument.

If I were Sasuke, I wouldn't care. Their friendship alone would not be enough for me to forgive the village and return. Nothing would be the same. If I were to become friends with them again, it would be on different terms. Team 7 would be no more.

Once again, agree.

[Jenskott]

But I hear that by the end of that series there was no resolution of the love triangle. I'm not completely sure but I think Sakuragi never even confessed to Akagi and she still retained her crush on Rukawa by the end. Although I heard she at least came to the realization that Rukawa would never love her, but it seems that even with that she still retained some of her crush for him until the end.

I'm not completely sure of the above so if someone has read this manga please let me know if I'm wrong. I just hope Kishimoto doesn't decide to do the no pairings route. At the very least we see Sakura developing feelings for Naruto, but in the Slam Dunk manga I think the heroine was never implied to have anything more than feelings of friendship for the hero, that's a real bummer.

I have read it.

The thing was left open-ended. Akagi knew all along her crush was one-sided (in one of the earlier chapters she told to Sakuragi she meant nothing to Rukawa, and he actually not even knew she existed). Rukawa never paid attention to any of his admirors and he was solely focused on basketball. In the last match in the series, it looked like Sakuragi had confessed to Akagi in one scene, but it was a red herring. It was not stated if she retained her crush on Rukawa or not, although it is possible. It was not stated either if she had come to see Sakuragi like something closer than a friend.

Still, Sakuragi and Akagi were always very close, spent long time together and at the end of the series they still talked on a daily basis (much to Sakuragi's delight), whereas Rukawa kept without ever talking one word to Akagi (and he planned to travel to USA to become a better player), so I guess it is up to the reader decide if she would develop romantic feelings towards Sakuragi or not.

Anyways it is a great manga. I recommend it.

[Transformers03]

only to add a bit more Kishimoto also liked the dynamic in Slam Dunk between the three main characters

Hanamichi Sakuragi (桜木 花道 Sakuragi Hanamichi?) is the protagonist of Slam Dunk. At the beginning of the series, Sakuragi is a slacker, good for nothing other than fighting. He is the leader of the feared "Sakuragi's Gang", which consists of his four friends Mito, Noma, Ohkusu and Takamiya. Sakuragi was always trying to ask girls out, but was rejected constantly, the 50th rejection occurring at the start of the series. He then met Haruko Akagi, a lovely basketball fangirl, whom he fell in love with immediately.

Kaede Rukawa (流川 楓 Rukawa Kaede?) is Sakuragi's rival as well as his opposite; girls seem to be attracted to him, skilled at basketball, and very cold and aloof, mostly unfeeling. In the series, he is rarely seen with smile on his face

Haruko Akagi (赤木 晴子 Akagi Haruko?) is Takenori's younger sister and Sakuragi's love interest. Sweet and with a captivating personality, she is always around to cheer on the players, especially her brother Takenori, who is extremely protective of her and taught her the basics of basketball, and Sakuragi, whom she considers her best friend. Haruko often appears at matches together with Sakuragi's cohorts and her two best friends, Fujii and Matsui. She, like most girls in Shohoku, only has eyes for Rukawa, although he never reciprocates her feelings

sound familiar

It does sound familiar, but did this Slam Dunk series have a supporting character who had a crush on the main character? 'Cause that's the only thing that is different from this love triangle to Naruto's love triangle. In fact, if it was just the love triangle between Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke, then I wouldn't have any worries of Narusaku not happening. I wouldn't worry because (1 the main protagonist USUALLY gets the girl, 2) if it is just between Naruto and Sasuke, then I know Naruto will beat Sasuke, 3) Sasusaku doesn't make any sense, and 4) THERE ARE HINTS AND PARALLELS THAT SUPPORT NARUSAKU. But no, we have Hinata, and because she has a huge fan base for no reason, we are all here trying to prove their theories wrong and give out why our theories make more sense.

Edited by Transformers03, 15 July 2012 - 07:03 AM.

[Jenskott]

It does sound familiar, but did this Slam Dunk series have a supporting character who had a crush on the main character?

No, it has not.

[Verilance]

No, it has not.

It doesn't matter though as he only chose the dynamic between the characters as a starting point from there he has his own story to tell.