Finally, finally, you discuss Moe character....at the very end. The rest has -nothing- to do with the discussion, but I'll humor it and get to it at the end.
First, no, a Moe Character is not an unrealistic character who stays shy and meek the entire course of the story. That is not the meaning of moe. It's literal a character that brings about a big brother instinct. Hinata does not do this, ever. Saying Hinata is submissive is missing the point, (I.E., choosing to go with Toneri and rejecting Naruto to save Hanabi is absolutely not submissive).
Secondly, Hinata's goal was not to become heir, it was never said anywhere that this was her goal, nor was it removing the caged bird seal or uniting the clan. Secondly, Those were things that did change during the plot, things like the clan getting closer (Neji and Hinata training at the end of part one), and did get resolved, you just didn't see it. There's no reason to think they still do the cage bird seal even.
Thirdly, I did demonstrate Hinata's growth. Her character changed and developed. That you are blind and attach it into pairing development (Which also happens, but is not what I am describing) is your error.
That I just put up a point, that shows that Hinata does not put Naruto before her family (The Last) is a strong case against your words that she is just someone who puts her feelings of Naruto first. Which incidentally, also hurts the Moe by your definition theory, even though that definition is incorrect. That Naruto calls her strong herself is also notable.
But I want to tackle the last part mostly, because you use terms again like True NS fan.
There's no such thing as a True Fan. It's just literal arrogance against other NS shippers that don't agree with you. You are literally saying that if I were a true fan, I would agree with you. That's ridiculous.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with thinking the end is bad and the series is bad. There's also absolutely nothing wrong with thinking the series was great and so was the end. Nothing makes you more or less of a fan. That you seem to think so is your error of judgement. You are so angry at being "judged", but you are judging not just me, but entire fandoms in your words.
This is poor behavior from fans. It's not that they're NH fans I want to stress. These sort of people, regardless of the fandom they follow, just do this for whatever reason to some people, and it's a shame they do so to people that don't deserve it.
yet again you judge me as a shipper by a few words I type and not getting to know me personally, when only rabid shippers posing as neutral label other fans as shippers without getting to know them, whereas I label you as a shipper because of how you have treated people on this site. I know 2 people on deviantart who were both naruhina fans and hate the ending,and were my friends and they even acknowledged me as a story fan and not a shipper and didn't call me one just because I said pairing or shipper genius, you could ask my main friend there yourself, I got demonized on deviantart for not being proending or not letting them get away with demonizing a narusaku fan by twisting his words and I finally got sick of the immaturity on deviantart from all fandoms there and closed my account. https://yamikagehiraki.deviantart.com/ this is my friend. ask him about his friend ultranx2010/infern24
and sure, play the victim when I bring up how you have treated other users here. firstevil100, one of my friends here for example, was driven off this site because of you and how you acted. I'm here judging you based on how you have treated other users here, and you want to pretend it never happened and play the victim. wonder why noone is agreeing with your posts them hmm? wonder why you only have 8 likes out of all your posts from your time on this site?yes I checked your profile to see your approval rating. maybe because you constantly act like a know-it-all that can't be wrong and try to correct everyone like a grammar warrior or social justice warrior?
for goodness sakes you obsessed naruto fanbrat, THERE IS NO NARUTO FANDOM, THE NARUTO FANDOM NO LONGER EXISTS, WHAT YOU LABEL A FANDOM IS THE NARUHINA AND SASUSAKU FANS WHO SUPPORT IT, THE SHIPPERS, ALL PROENDERS ARE THOSE 2 GROUPS, NO NON SHIPPER APPROVES THIS ENDING NOR ANY NARUSAKU FAN, TRUE FAN OF HINATA AND NARUHINA, SAKURA FAN, ANTI SAKURA FAN, NARUSASU FAN, SHIKAINO FAN, SASUKARIN FAN, LITERALLY NOONE IS PROENDER EXCEPT PEOPLE WHO BARELY WATCHED OR READ NARUTO OR ONLY FOLLOWED THE ENDING AND ARE OBSESSIVELY ATTACHED TO HINATA AND SASUKE MORE THAN EVERY OTHER CHARACTER, LIKING HINATA OVER SAKURA BECAUSE SHE WON'T STAND UP TO NARUTO SO THEY CAN HAVE THEIR PERVERTED SELF INSERT WET DREAMS AND SEXIST VIEWS ON WOMEN, WANTING SAKURA SUBMISSIVE TO SASUKE, NOT CARING ABOUT IF THE STORY MAKES SENSE AND JUST WHO GETS WITH WHO SO THEY CAN HAVE THEIR SELF INSERT WET DREAMS. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ACT LIKE USERS ON THIS SITE ARE A PART OF THE FANDOM, WE'RE NOT, A FANDOM IS A ACTIVE INTERNET COMMUNITY THAT SUPPORTS A SERIES UNTIL IT ENDS OR AFTER IT ENDS, YOU HAVE TO BE ACTIVE ON THAT INTERNET COMMUNITY TO BE CONSIDERED PART OF A FANDOM, A FANDOM IS AN INTERNET COMMUNITY, WE ALL LEFT IT, EVERY TRUE NARUTO FAN WHO WATCHED FOR ACTION AND STORY LEFT, JUST BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT IT AFTER THE ENDING OR SOCIALIZE ONCE IN A WHILE BECAUSE WE BECAME FRIENDS ON THIS SITE DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE STILL PART OF THE NARUTO FANDOM, LETS SAY YOU'RE PLAYING A POKEMON GAME AND ASK SOMEONE ON A FORUM FOR HELP ON HOW TO FIND A SPECIFIC POKEMON, DOES THAT MAKE YOU PART OF THE ENTIRE POKEMON FANDOM JUST BECAUSE YOU POSTED ON A SINGLE FORUM HARDLY ANYONE IN THE MAIN POKEMON COMMUNITY KNOWS ABOUT? NO IT DOESN'T. PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO SUPPORT THE ENDING ARE THE ONLY ONES LEFT IN THE NARUTO "FANDOM", OR RATHER THE FANDOM REMNANTS. YOU GUYS ARE LITERALLY THE ONLY ONES WHO CARE ABOUT NARUTO, EVERYONE ELSE DOESN'T. ALSO IF SOMEONE LEAVES A INTERNET FANDOM AND NO LONGER LIKES OR SUPPORTS THE SERIES AND EVEN GROWS TO HATE IT, AND DOESN'T TALK TO ANYONE EXCEPT PEOPLE THEY KNOW ON A SINGLE SITE, THAT MAKES THEM NOT PART OF A FANDOM. HECK TALKING ABOUT A SERIES YOU LIKE ON YOUR TUMBLR PROFILE DOESN'T MAKE YOU PART OF THE NARUTO FANDOM, A FANDOM IS A ACTIVE COMMUNITY. IF SOMEONE IS TALKING ON A TUMBLR TO FRIENDS THEY KNOW, OR ANY FORM OF SOCIAL MEDIA, AND NOT GETTING INVOLVED IN OTHER FANS THAT DOESN'T EQUAL BEING PART OF A FANDOM, THAT'S TALKING TO YOUR INTERNET FRIENDS. IF I TALK TO MY REAL LIFE BEST FRIEND ON SKYPE ABOUT NARUTO, DOES THAT MAKE US PART OF THE FANDOM? NO, ITS A PRIVATE CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR LIKES AND DISLIKES, IN FACT WE BOTH AVOID FANDOMS LIKE THE PLAGUE. IF SOMEONE STAYS ON A SITE TO AVOID A FANDOM, HOW ARE THEY PART OF FANDOM JUST BECAUSE THE SITE IS A FORMER PAIRING SITE? BY THAT LOGIC, NARUTO FORUMS USED TO BE A GENERAL NARUTO SITE AND IS NOW JUST A PROENDER ANTI NARUSAKU SITE.
AND THE PERVERTED WET DREAM SELF INSERTS, WANNA DENY IT? BECAUSE IF I RECALL FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN EVERYONE HERE AND EVERYONE KEEPING TRACK OF BORUTO THAT HATED THE ENDING CRITICIZED THE BORUTO MANGA FOR THE SARADA SEXUALIZING, CRAPPY ART STYLE, AND BAD WRITING, WHAT WAS THE THING EVERY PROENDER WAS WORRIED ABOUT?
"WHY ARE HINATA'S BOOBS SO SMALL?" "WHAT HAPPENED TO HINATA'S BIG BOOBS?" "HOW DARE HE TAKE AWAY MY HINATA'S BOOBS?"
GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD, NONE OF US HERE ARE PART OF THE NARUTO FANDOM, WE DON'T TALK TO YOUR GROUPS ANYMORE, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SERIES ANYMORE NOR BORUTO, SURE WE LIKE A CHARACTER AND WISH THEY WERE DONE RIGHT IN ANOTHER SERIES, BUT THAT'S NOT SUPPORTING NARUTO, WE ONLY STAY ON THIS SITE AND DON'T SUPPORT NARUTO ANYMORE NOR DO WE STAY HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT, WE HAVE LIVES, YOU ARE INVOLVED IN WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS THE FANDOM WHEN THE FANDOM HAS BEEN DEAD FOR ALMOST 4 YEARS AND WHAT REMAINS IS THE BORUTO FANDOM MADE UP OF NEWBIES AND THE PERVERTED SHIPPER REMNANTS, NOT THE ACTUAL NARUTO FANDOM. WE HAVEN'T ONCE DONE ANYTHING TO PRO ENDERS, THEY BASH AND HARASS US. HECK MOST ANTI ENDERS DON'T BOTHER PRO ENDERS, THEY STAY AWAY FROM
PRO ENDERS, ITS ALWAYS PROENDERS TRYING TO FORCE THEM TO CONVERT AND MAKE STUFF THEY LIKE, DEVIANTART USERS, FANFICTION USERS, TUMBLR USERS, ALL ATTACKED BY PROENDERS. EVEN PREENDING THE ACTUAL BAD NARUSAKU FANS WERE THE MINORITY, WHEREAS THE BAD NH AND SS FANS WHO BECAME PROENDERS WERE THE MAJORITY OF NH AND SS FANS VOCAL ONLINE. AND LITERALLY ONLY CASUAL FANS WHO ARE PERVERTED ABOUT HINATA AND SASUKE ARE PROENDERS. NARUSAKU FANS ARE ALWAYS DEMONIZED AND THEY MAKE FAKE PETITIONS TO MAKE THEM LOOK BAD, I WAS FRIENDS WITH NARUSAKU FANS AND WAS CALLED ONE JUST FOR DEFENDING THEM OR AGREEING WITH THEM.
IF HINATA AND SAKURA WERE REAL PEOPLE, HINATA WOULD STAND UP TO NARUTO AND GIVE HIM AN EARFUL FOR NOT SUPPORTING HIS FAMILY, AND SAKURA WOULD HAVE NEVER STILL LOVED SASUKE WHEN HE TRIED TO KILL HER AND HER BEST FRIEND, SHE'D HATE HIM AND MOVE ON FROM HIM, IF THE NARUTO WORLD WAS REAL, SAKURA WOULD HAVE EVENTUALLY PUNCHED SASUKE FOR HOW HE TREATS HER, NOT LET HIM HAVE HIS WAY, A WOMEN BEING SUBMISSIVE IS NOT STANDING UP FOR THEMSELVES AND JUST DOING WHATEVER THE MAN SAYS, EVEN WHEN THE MAN IS IN THE WRONG AND EVEN WHEN THEY ARE ABUSED. FORNEVERWORLD FOR EXAMPLE IS A GUY WHO HAS NEVER BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH A WOMAN AND OBSESSES OVER HINATA AND WANTED NARUHINA TO HAPPEN JUST FOR THE SELF INSERT FANTASIES WHERE THEY WON'T HAVE THE WOMAN STAND UP TO THEM. MAJORITY OF PROENDER YOUTUBERS ARE LIKE THAT, LITERALLY EVERY PROENDER IS LIKE THAT.
THE FACT YOU ACT LIKE NOTHING IS WRONG WITH HOW NARUTO IS TREATING HIS FAMILY AND HOW SAKURA IS TREATED BY SASUKE AND ACT LIKE THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE STORY AND I JUST HATE THE ENDING JUST OVER A COUPLE IS RETARDED. HECK FORNEVERWORLD EVEN UPLOADED HIM MASTROBATING TO A HINATA FIGURE. WE WOULDN'T JUDGE PEOPLE LIKE THAT IF THEY DIDN'T GIVE US A REASON TO FEEL THAT WAY, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE NICE NH FAN PRO ENDER THAT DIDN'T ACT LIKE NARUTO IS WELL WRITTEN AND NOT JUST DEFEND THE PAIRINGS OR LABEL US AS SHIPPERS WHEN WE BROUGHT UP THINGS WRONG WITH THE ENDING OTHER THAN NARUSAKU NOT HAPPENING, ITS ALWAYS THEM OBSESSING OVER HOW WE HATE THE ENDING AND BEING TOO OBSESSED WITH HINATA OR SASUKE TO ADMIT ANY MISTAKES IN THE STORY WRITING, PRETENDING EVERY DROPPED PLOT POINT NEVER HAPPENED AND ACTING LIKE THE PHRASE "CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT" IS ROMANTIC DEVELOPMENT WHEN IT ISN'T, ITS DEVELOPMENT OF THE CHARACTER OVERALL IN THE STORY. IN OTHER WORDS, ACTING LIKE AN IRRATIONAL KNOW-IT-ALL AND ACTING LIKE JUST BECAUSE AN ENDING HAPPENED AND A COUPLE YOU SUPPORT BECAME CANON MEANS THE SERIES CAN'T REALLY BE POORLY WRITTEN. YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN ACTING, DENYING NARUTO BEING POORLY WRITTEN WHATSOEVER AND PESTERING US ABOUT GRAMMAR AND WORDINGS? WE STAY AWAY FROM PRO ENDERS AND ONLY TALK HERE ONCE IN A WHILE ON WHY WE HATE THE ENDING AND GREW TO DISLIKE THE SERIES, WE AREN'T INVOLVED IN THE NARUTO INTERNET COMMUNITY, THEREFORE WE ARE NOT PART OF THE NARUTO FANDOM, THAT'S LIKE SAYING PEOPLE ONLINE WHO HATE DBZ ARE PART OF THE DBZ FANDOM JUST BECAUSE THEY HATE IT, NO, THEY HAVE TO HAVE BEEN A FAN OF THE SERIES, ACTUALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DBZ COMMUNITY, AND LIKE AND ENJOY THE SERIES AND NOT HATE IT, IF SOMEONE DISLIKES AND HATES THE NARUTO SERIES AND USED TO LIKE IT, THEY ARE NO LONGER A NARUTO FAN, THEY ARE A HATER OF THE SERIES, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE ALL ARE BECAUSE OF WHAT EVERYTHING THIS ENDING AND POST ENDING DID TO THE SERIES,BECAUSE WE LIKE SERIES DONE PROPERLY AND NOT HAVING COUPLES BECOME WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT AND HAVE OTHER CHARACTERS RUINED. BUT FOR SOME REASON JUST BECAUSE WE HATE THE ENDING WE MUST STILL BE PART OF THE NARUTO FANDOM LIKE ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO LEAVE AN INTERNET COMMUNITY?
YET FOR SOME REASON YOU WANT TO PESTER EVERYONE HERE WITH YOUR PRO ENDING CRAP AND KEEP GROUPING US WITH YOUR SO CALLED "FANDOM". GOOD GRIEF DUDE, LEAVE US ALONE, QUIT PESTERING US WITH YOUR CONSTANT OBSESSION WITH THIS SERIES WHEN WE LIKE OTHER SERIES INSTEAD OF THIS ONE NOW AND DON'T CARE AND ASK YOU TO STOP, AND QUIT HARASSING USERS WITH YOUR "POINTS" WHEN THEY TELL YOU TO NOT REPLY TO THEM AND JUST REPLY TO THE ONES WHO WANT TO TALK TO YOU, LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE WHEN THEY ASK YOU TO AND DON'T SAY THEY'RE WRONG JUST BECAUSE OF YOUR OPINION YOU TREAT AS THE ONLY FACT, EITHER RESPECT WHY PEOPLE HATE THIS SERIES AND THAT THEY HAVE POINTS AND DON'T CORRECT THEM OVER EVERYTHING YOU DISAGREE WITH, OR LEAVE. IF WE WISH TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOMETHING WE WILL, LIKE WHY A CERTAIN THING HAPPENED OR WHAT IF SCENARIOS OR EVEN OTHER SERIES ENTIRELY, BUT YOU ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU AND REPLY TO EACH DISCUSSION CORRECTING SOMEONE OR TRYING TO TURN IT BACK TO THE PREVIOUS ONE AND YOU NEVER RESPECT OTHER PEOPLE'S WISHES AND HOW THEY FEEL, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE ABOUT YOU, AND PEOPLE ARE GETTING SICK OF IT.
LITERALLY NO NEUTRAL FAN WHO SUPPORTS THE ENDING IS A STORY FAN, THEY ARE A CASUAL FAN WHO BARELY KEPT UP WITH THE SERIES AND THINKS THEY'RE RIGHT WITHOUT DOING RESEARCH. SAME WITH THE NON PERVERTED NARUHINA AND SASUSAKU FANS, THEY DIDN'T READ OR WATCH THE MAJORITY OF THE SERIES, JUST CAME BACK WHEN IT ENDED AND SKIPPED TO THE ENDING, THEY ARE CASUAL FANS, A TRUE NARUTO FAN, A STORY FAN, IS NOT CASUAL, THEY KEEP UP WITH THE SERIES FOR MOST OF THE 15 YEARS AND ACTUALLY CARE TO DO RESEARCH. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HATES THE ENDING IS EITHER A NEUTRAL STORY FAN OR A SHIPPER/STORY FAN, LITERALLY EVERYONE WHO HATES THE ENDING HATES IT FOR WHAT WAS DONE TO THE OVERALL STORY AND CHARACTERS, NOT FOR WHO THEY SHIP. AND ALL THE CASUAL FANS WHO ARE SHIPPERS OR NON SHIPPERS ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THE FANDOM EITHER, THEY DO THEIR OWN THING AND YOU GUYS ACT LIKE THEY ARE PART OF THE FANDOM JUST FOR THAT. LITERALLY THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT NARUTO AS MUCH AS YOU DO AND STILL CALL IT A FANDOM ARE THE PERVERTED HINATA FANS AND SASUKE FANS, EVERYONE ELSE WOULDN'T STAY ON THIS SITE PESTERING PEOPLE NO LONGER FANS OF THE SERIES LIKE YOU DO. WE MAKE COMMENTS BASHING THIS SERIES EVERY CHANCE WE GET YET SOMEONE HATING A SERIES AND NO LONG BEING ATTACHED TO IT MAKES US STILL PART OF AN INTERNET COMMUNITY/FANDOM? LAST I CHECKED MY DAD LIKES SUPERMAN AND NEVER GOES ON THE INTERNET TALKING ABOUT IT, DOES IT MAKE HIM PART OF THE SUPERMAN FANDOM? NO. IF I TALK ABOUT HOW I HATE SUPERMAN FOR ITS FANS AND AM A SUPERMAN FAN AND AM ON A DBZ VIDEO BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT DBZ MORE, DOES THAT MAKE ME PART OF THE SUPERMAN FANDOM? NO BECAUSE I AM NOT ACTIVELY INTERACTING WITH SUPERMAN FANS AND WANTING TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND JUST SICK OF SUPERMAN FANS STALKING DBZ FANS PESTERING THEM ABOUT GOKU VS SUPERMAN DEBATES AND GOKU HATE.
IF SOMEONE IS NO LONGER A FAN THEY ARE NO LONGER PART OF A FANDOM, AND IF THE MAJORITY OF FANS LEFT A COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY STOPPED BEING FANS AND ONLY A FEW PERVERTS AND CASUAL FANS ARE LEFT, THAT'S NOT A FANDOM, THAT'S NOT AN INTERNET COMMUNITY OF A SERIES, THAT IS REMNANTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND IF WE ARE AGAINST NARUSAKU HAPPENING IN THIS ENDING TOO, HOW DOES THAT MAKE US BLINDED BY SHIPPING? IF WE HATE THE ENDING FOR THE WRITING, FOR HINATA NOT STANDING UP TO HER HUSBAND, FOR SAKURA GETTING WITH SOMEONE WHO TRIED TO KILL HER AND STILL TAKING HIS CRAP IN THE ENDING WHEN HE'S NEVER HOME AND NEVER TRIES TO HELP WITH FINANCIAL TROUBLE AND ALMOST KILLED HIS DAUGHTER AND DOESN'T CARE ABOUT SAKURA BEING KIDNAPPED, SASUKE GETTING A FREE PASS AFTER EVERYTHING HE DID, EVERYONE GETTING RUINED IN SOME WAY EXCEPT SASUKE AND HINATA SINCE HINATA STAYED MENTALLY THE SAME THE MAJORITY OF PART 2 OTHER THAN ROMANTIC FEELINGS, HINATA NOT DOING ANYTHING IN THE MANGA OTHER THAN PURSUE NARUTO, LIKE ACTIVELY HELP HER FAMILY? JUST BECAUSE SHE GOT WITH NARUTO MEANS SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE CARED BIRD SEAL OR HELPING HER FAMILY, THAT IT WAS NEVER ONE OF HER GOALS?
IF WE ARE AGAINST ALL OF THOSE AND NOT A SHIP NOT HAPPENING AND EVEN ARE AGAINST THE SHIP WE LIKED HAPPENING IN THE ENDING WE GOT, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SHIPPING A COUPLE, YOU AND EVERYONE THAT ACTS LIKE YOU JUST USES A SHIPPING NAME AS A LABEL TO USE AGAINST PEOPLE WHO DON'T TREAT YOUR OPINION AS FACT, ITS NOTHING BUT YOUR EXCUSE TO COVER YOURSELF UP AND MAKE OTHERS OUT TO BE SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT, JUST LIKE THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA IS DOING WITH ALL THE POLITICAL CRAP IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS DISGUSTING.
Edited by ultranx, 24 August 2017 - 12:44 AM.
