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[Tendo Ryuken]

Bolded 1: You're asking me to search through 600 chapters??

no need bro. i hope this can help

killer bee's conversation with iruka --Click here to view--

its not naruto's statement. but for someone else to see him in naruto's heart is undeniable

[Paptala]

Bolded 1: You're asking me to search through 600 chapters?? (I know you're not, but you get my point). But there is a recent moment where just before he releases the seal imprisoning Kurama, he remembers back to chapter 1 where Iruka acknowledges him. It felt much more impact ful than the Team 7 bond, since it even affects his relationship with Kurama. There's also the VOTE battle where Naruto admits that Iruka is a father figure to him. That's about what I can remember.

I don't recall the moment where Naruto recalls Iruka as he's releasing the Kyuubi's seal - could you tell me what chapter that is?

As for the VOTE and Naruto comparing Iruka to a father, he was also comparing Sasuke to a brother in the same scene - that fight was all about his bond with Sasuke and how it affected him. Again, I'm not saying that Iruka's bond with Naruto isn't strong, just that Naruto's bond with Sasuke and Sakura are focused on more in the story and. Sakura has been by his side through more stuff than Iruka has (mission to land of waves, chuunin exams, Sasuke's betrayal, learning about the fate of Jinchuuriki's and Gaara's "death" + Chiyo's death, hanging out in between missions (i.e. the healing stuff and ramen "dates").

Imo, Naruto cares equally for the people his listed during his fight with Gaara (Team 7 + Iruka) - everyone else (aside from his newly discovered parents) are not as near and dear to him.

Next, Naruto's flippant attitude. It's true that's what makes his character, but it falls flat in a romantic sense in the way he said it. But I pretty much figured that would be your opinion. I won't deny the underlying message, but it could've been y'know.... executed better ??

I'm not sure that I'm explaining myself very well, so I'll just try and clarify one last time (and after this we can just agree to disagree if necessary )

The part circled in blue can be seen as Naruto being flippant (thus why Sakura got annoyed with him and proceeds to scold him). But the parts circled in red, especially Naruto's two smiles on the bottom of the left page very much come off as more serious and heartfelt (again being shown through Sakura's surprised reaction to his words, and her later reaction in that memory causing her to smile and offer to feed Naruto.

I guess it could have been better executed, but it feels in character for Naruto and for Naruto and Sakura's relationship - it was subtle, but meaningful.

The main reason this caught my attention was Naruto's use of "together" in one of the translations - it seemed a mirror of the two times Sakura used that phrase as well"
"Next time, we'll do it together!" and "I'm still here. We'll get stronger together."

original promise --Click here to view--

2nd time --Click here to view--

3rd time --Click here to view--

4th time --Click here to view--

5th time --Click here to view--

If it were the same kanji, it would be a pretty clear allusion to Sakura's original promise that she made to Naruto after VOTE, and all of the times she referenced that promise afterwards.

Bolded 2: Where?? where's that conversation?? show me. But I do understand that it's not in his character to hold a grudge, but I'd at least like to see a panel showing his thoughts.

Those conversations take place in chapter 470 and 474; the specific moments I am referring to are:

chapter page --Click here to view--

On the top left panel, you can see by his widened eyes that Naruto is starting to get that Sakura is doing this for his benefit, and by his panel below, with his half lidded eyes, most of the anger appears to have drained out of him at her words - clearly indicating that she is just worried for him, trying to help him.

chapter images --Click here to view--

[Verilance]

quite enjoyed that you are so very good at explaining things, yesterday we said very similar things but your post was sooo much better lol

[Dalton.T.R]

I don't recall the moment where Naruto recalls Iruka as he's releasing the Kyuubi's seal - could you tell me what chapter that is?

As for the VOTE and Naruto comparing Iruka to a father, he was also comparing Sasuke to a brother in the same scene - that fight was all about his bond with Sasuke and how it affected him. Again, I'm not saying that Iruka's bond with Naruto isn't strong, just that Naruto's bond with Sasuke and Sakura are focused on more in the story and. Sakura has been by his side through more stuff than Iruka has (mission to land of waves, chuunin exams, Sasuke's betrayal, learning about the fate of Jinchuuriki's and Gaara's "death" + Chiyo's death, hanging out in between missions (i.e. the healing stuff and ramen "dates").

Imo, Naruto cares equally for the people his listed during his fight with Gaara (Team 7 + Iruka) - everyone else (aside from his newly discovered parents) are not as near and dear to him.

I'm not sure that I'm explaining myself very well, so I'll just try and clarify one last time (and after this we can just agree to disagree if necessary )

The part circled in blue can be seen as Naruto being flippant (thus why Sakura got annoyed with him and proceeds to scold him). But the parts circled in red, especially Naruto's two smiles on the bottom of the left page very much come off as more serious and heartfelt (again being shown through Sakura's surprised reaction to his words, and her later reaction in that memory causing her to smile and offer to feed Naruto.

I guess it could have been better executed, but it feels in character for Naruto and for Naruto and Sakura's relationship - it was subtle, but meaningful.

The main reason this caught my attention was Naruto's use of "together" in one of the translations - it seemed a mirror of the two times Sakura used that phrase as well"
"Next time, we'll do it together!" and "I'm still here. We'll get stronger together."

original promise --Click here to view--

2nd time --Click here to view--

3rd time --Click here to view--

4th time --Click here to view--

5th time --Click here to view--

If it were the same kanji, it would be a pretty clear allusion to Sakura's original promise that she made to Naruto after VOTE, and all of the times she referenced that promise afterwards.

Those conversations take place in chapter 470 and 474; the specific moments I am referring to are:

chapter page --Click here to view--

On the top left panel, you can see by his widened eyes that Naruto is starting to get that Sakura is doing this for his benefit, and by his panel below, with his half lidded eyes, most of the anger appears to have drained out of him at her words - clearly indicating that she is just worried for him, trying to help him.

chapter images --Click here to view--

I want to see every NaruHina fan to read this and try to "debate" with it.

[PachucoDesigns]

Hmmm, this space has gotten quite interesting, to say the least. Well, maybe I should throw in my two cents? Ok, let's begin. In regards to Hinata's confession: Eh, she tried. I mean, practically, that was sort of kind of a last call. In my interpretation, I think she went in knowing she was going to die. Why? Well, everything that led up to that moment, why was Hinata so incapable of even approaching Naruto, and now, in matter of minutes, spills her guts then and there? By that time, then and there, she probably knew that sheouldn't save Naruto; that Pain had won. She threw herself knowing that, at least she would go down trying to protect him. Was her sacrifice for the wrong reasons? Depends on what light you look at it. It comes down to two things: did she throw herself in to protect Naruto, or to confess before he died? I guess we can be sure (regardless of opinion), that she was unable to stop Pain. No matter how hard she could have tried, it was already over. Now-did she go in honestly thinking that she could stop Pain? Obviously not. Now here's the thing-why did she confess, at of all possible times and places? Did the situation really seem practical of the situation? Was her direct approach against Pain the smart way to go? No. It all seems to point out as if she knew that if she went in, she was going to die. Well, at least that's how I see it. Again, this is my interpretation of the evidence at hand; no more, no less. If you see any fault in my argument, present it and point your evidence.

Interesting? Yeah, that's one word for it.

[Traci]

I really love NaruSaku, and it's the only true pairing I support, but I actually sort of liked Hinata's confession. I don't think there was anything really wrong with it. In fact, I thought it was nice of her and I think it was supposed to be her single shining moment in the manga... I also don't think it hurt NaruSaku's chances at all. I respect your opinions and I'm not trying to offend anyone or anything, but I kind of feel like Hinata's confession is being undermined by some of you. Sort of like how anti-Sakura fans try to seriously undermine her role in the Sasori fight by claiming things like Chiyo did all of the work or Sasori let himself get killed (when in truth Sakura was a BAMF in that fight). I'm not claiming that you guys hate Hinata or anything... It's just, I felt a little hypocritical for some reason reading the posts because I absolutely hate it when anti-Sakura fans try to undermine Sakura's roles.

Um... I'm not sure if I explained myself very well... And I'm not really looking to debate, I just kind of wanted to put my opinion out there so, so you don't have to agree. Thanks!

[Transformers03]

I really love NaruSaku, and it's the only true pairing I support, but I actually sort of liked Hinata's confession. I don't think there was anything really wrong with it. In fact, I thought it was nice of her and I think it was supposed to be her single shining moment in the manga... I also don't think it hurt NaruSaku's chances at all. I respect your opinions and I'm not trying to offend anyone or anything, but I kind of feel like Hinata's confession is being undermined by some of you. Sort of like how anti-Sakura fans try to seriously undermine her role in the Sasori fight by claiming things like Chiyo did all of the work or Sasori let himself get killed (when in truth Sakura was a BAMF in that fight). I'm not claiming that you guys hate Hinata or anything... It's just, I felt a little hypocritical for some reason reading the posts because I absolutely hate it when anti-Sakura fans try to undermine Sakura's roles.

Um... I'm not sure if I explained myself very well... And I'm not really looking to debate, I just kind of wanted to put my opinion out there so, so you don't have to agree. Thanks!

I understand how you feel, I feel like at times we are being hypocritical.

But before I forget, welcome to the site.

[Codus N]

no need bro. i hope this can help

killer bee's conversation with iruka --Click here to view--

its not naruto's statement. but for someone else to see him in naruto's heart is undeniable

Yeah, thanks. I'll PM you later about your part II post ok??

I don't recall the moment where Naruto recalls Iruka as he's releasing the Kyuubi's seal - could you tell me what chapter that is?

As for the VOTE and Naruto comparing Iruka to a father, he was also comparing Sasuke to a brother in the same scene - that fight was all about his bond with Sasuke and how it affected him. Again, I'm not saying that Iruka's bond with Naruto isn't strong, just that Naruto's bond with Sasuke and Sakura are focused on more in the story and. Sakura has been by his side through more stuff than Iruka has (mission to land of waves, chuunin exams, Sasuke's betrayal, learning about the fate of Jinchuuriki's and Gaara's "death" + Chiyo's death, hanging out in between missions (i.e. the healing stuff and ramen "dates").

Imo, Naruto cares equally for the people his listed during his fight with Gaara (Team 7 + Iruka) - everyone else (aside from his newly discovered parents) are not as near and dear to him.

I'm not sure that I'm explaining myself very well, so I'll just try and clarify one last time (and after this we can just agree to disagree if necessary )

The part circled in blue can be seen as Naruto being flippant (thus why Sakura got annoyed with him and proceeds to scold him). But the parts circled in red, especially Naruto's two smiles on the bottom of the left page very much come off as more serious and heartfelt (again being shown through Sakura's surprised reaction to his words, and her later reaction in that memory causing her to smile and offer to feed Naruto.

I guess it could have been better executed, but it feels in character for Naruto and for Naruto and Sakura's relationship - it was subtle, but meaningful.

The main reason this caught my attention was Naruto's use of "together" in one of the translations - it seemed a mirror of the two times Sakura used that phrase as well"
"Next time, we'll do it together!" and "I'm still here. We'll get stronger together."

original promise --Click here to view--

2nd time --Click here to view--

3rd time --Click here to view--

4th time --Click here to view--

5th time --Click here to view--

If it were the same kanji, it would be a pretty clear allusion to Sakura's original promise that she made to Naruto after VOTE, and all of the times she referenced that promise afterwards.

Those conversations take place in chapter 470 and 474; the specific moments I am referring to are:

chapter page --Click here to view--

On the top left panel, you can see by his widened eyes that Naruto is starting to get that Sakura is doing this for his benefit, and by his panel below, with his half lidded eyes, most of the anger appears to have drained out of him at her words - clearly indicating that she is just worried for him, trying to help him.

chapter images --Click here to view--

Bolded 1: Ch. 470. I can't believe you actually forgot about the one of the most epic chapters in Naruto history!!! .

As for their bonds, I think the pages Ryuken showed best explains how Iruka is seemed to be put on a higher pedestal than Team 7. I'm not saying his bond with Team 7 or Sakura for that matter, is insignificant. I'm saying that if it was compared, Iruka's bond with Naruto is more significant than the Team 7 bond.

I agree that Sakura has been by his side all this time, though.

Next, ch. 343: like I've said, I won't deny the underlying message. I already knew what you were talking about. But I was focusing on Naruto's flippant attitude about Sakura being there by his side.

Regarding ch. 470 & 474, I think I understand. But it sure as hell would be a lot better if they really talked about it later (which I'm hoping for soon)

[Paptala]

Bolded 1: Ch. 470. I can't believe you actually forgot about the one of the most epic chapters in Naruto history!!! .

I-I didn't forget that chapter, I just kinda...forgot the chapter number...and everything but the fact Naruto actually was going to work with Kurama and get proper bijuu form and... I'm a horrible Naruto fan

but you meant chapter 570 though right?

As for their bonds, I think the pages Ryuken showed best explains how Iruka is seemed to be put on a higher pedestal than Team 7. I'm not saying his bond with Team 7 or Sakura for that matter, is insignificant. I'm saying that if it was compared, Iruka's bond with Naruto is more significant than the Team 7 bond.

Can't see anything linked from mangareader

In all seriousness, I had completely forgotten Naruto had that flashback; pair that with Naruto's emotional parting with Iruka to go to war, where Iruka confesses Naruto is like a little brother to him, and gives him that letter telling him not to die, I'll concede that their bond is depicted more strongly than I remembered.

I agree that Sakura has been by his side all this time, though.

Hopefully, Naruto will get his own bonding/flashback/heart to heart moment with Sakura, so as to better depict the strength of their bond.

Next, ch. 343: like I've said, I won't deny the underlying message. I already knew what you were talking about. But I was focusing on Naruto's flippant attitude about Sakura being there by his side.

Well, I don't agree that Naruto is actually being flippant, but this is definitely something we'll just have to agree to disagree about. Thanks for being patient with me repeating myself a bunch of times in different ways.

Regarding ch. 470 & 474, I think I understand. But it sure as hell would be a lot better if they really talked about it later (which I'm hoping for soon)

Yes, I agree completely. Kishimoto better have them talk about it

Edited by Paptala, 14 July 2012 - 11:23 AM.

[Codus N]

but you meant chapter 570 though right?

Can't see anything linked from mangareader

D'oh, now I feel like an idiot with that typo nice comeback, though LOL. I guess this means we're even .

Anyways, if you want to see the chapter, here:

Edited by Codus N, 14 July 2012 - 11:51 AM.

[Transformers03]

I-I didn't forget that chapter, I just kinda...forgot the chapter number...and everything but the fact Naruto actually was going to work with Kurama and get proper bijuu form and... I'm a horrible Naruto fan

but you meant chapter 570 though right?

Can't see anything linked from mangareader

In all seriousness, I had completely forgotten Naruto had that flashback; pair that with Naruto's emotional parting with Iruka to go to war, where Iruka confesses Naruto is like a little brother to him, and gives him that letter telling him not to die, I'll concede that their bond is depicted more strongly than I remembered.

Hopefully, Naruto will get his own bonding/flashback/heart to heart moment with Sakura, so as to better depict the strength of their bond.

Well, I don't agree that Naruto is actually being flippant, but this is definitely something we'll just have to agree to disagree about. Thanks for being patient with me repeating myself a bunch of times in different ways.

Yes, I agree completely. Kishimoto better have them talk about it

Seeing how it took about a hundred chapters for the author to finally mention about Hinata's confession, don't you think he might wait longer for him to even slightly mention Sakura's confession it again. Didn't you find it weird that he had sidelined Hinata's confession, and overall feelings for Naruto's, for that long and have only now brought it up again during the war? Don't you feel like he's doing the same thing for Naruto's feelings and Sakura's confession? We never saw those characters talk about it, and Naruto's feelings about Sakura have never been brought up since whole summit arc.

Why do you think the author has holding off these things for so long?

[theorangehokage]

I'm sorry for interupting the convo

But on the side note,

What is the most recent chapter(s) for NaruSaku ?

Do you think Sasuke and Sakura are gonna meet up at some point?

[T XD]

Do you think Sasuke and Sakura are gonna meet up at some point?

of course they are going to meet up and they will probably talk with each other either about sasuke himself or sasuke talking to her about some things (which kishimoto will decide them) and i think in a dramatic way for sakura plus i think naruto will be with them or will be with them after they see each other, though if sasuke will return home, i believe sakura and naruto are the key but first there will be a fight, that for sure

Edited by T XD, 14 July 2012 - 04:52 PM.

[PachucoDesigns]

of course they are going to meet up and they will probably talk with each other either about sasuke himself or sasuke talking to her about some things (which kishimoto will decide them) and i think in a dramatic way for sakura plus i think naruto will be with them or will be with them after they see each other, though if sasuke will return home, i believe sakura and naruto are the key but first there will be a fight, that for sure

I will be highly annoyed if Sasuke returns home.

[Transformers03]

I will be highly annoyed if Sasuke returns home.

Me too, but he is probably going to come back.

[PachucoDesigns]

Me too, but he is probably going to come back.

Lamest. Ending. Ever.

[Transformers03]

Lamest. Ending. Ever.

No, the lamest ending would be having everyone die....
....or for Naruto NOT to get with Sakura, despite all the hints and parallels.

[PachucoDesigns]

No, the lamest ending would be having everyone die....
....or for Naruto NOT to get with Sakura, despite all the hints and parallels.

To me, keeping Sasuke out of the village takes priority even before that. After everything he, his brother, and his family have been through, he should have no further allegiance with them regardless of personal friendship. His clan was wiped out without negotation, and his brother was made to do it. He was lied to about it, and made to spend his years growing up with a bitter hatred, only to discover the truth after he killed Itachi. I don't care how badly Naruto wants him back, it doesn't make sense. And honestly, his whole "I'm going to bring Sasuke back" chase has been ridiculous to me from the start. What good would bringing back would do if he doesn't come willingly? "I'll drag you back even if I have to break your arms and legs. Because you're my friend." Really? Did he really think Sasuke would still be his friend after that? He'd likely end up spending his life in prison for his transgressions against the village, and to keep him from escaping. What, did Naruto intend to brighten up Sasuke's visiting hours? Would he bring him a cake and throw him a cell warming party? What a joke.

Edited by PachucoDesigns, 14 July 2012 - 06:51 PM.

[Transformers03]

To me, keeping Sasuke out of the village takes priority even before that. After everything he, his brother, and his family have been through, he should have no further allegiance with them regardless of personal friendship. His clan was wiped out without negotation, and his brother was made to do it. He was lied to about it, and made to spend his years growing up with a bitter hatred, only to discover the truth after he killed Itachi. I don't care how badly Naruto wants him back, it doesn't make sense. And honestly, his whole "I'm going to bring Sasuke back" chase has been ridiculous to me from the start. What good would bringing back would do if he doesn't come willingly? "I'll drag you back even if I have to break your arms and legs. Because you're my friend." Really? Did he really think Sasuke would still be his friend after that? He'd likely end up spending his life in prison for his transgressions against the village, and to keep him from escaping. What, did Naruto intend to brighten up Sasuke's visiting hours? Would he bring him a cake and throw him a cell warming party? What a joke.

Agree.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

To me, keeping Sasuke out of the village takes priority even before that. After everything he, his brother, and his family have been through, he should have no further allegiance with them regardless of personal friendship. His clan was wiped out without negotation, and his brother was made to do it. He was lied to about it, and made to spend his years growing up with a bitter hatred, only to discover the truth after he killed Itachi. I don't care how badly Naruto wants him back, it doesn't make sense. And honestly, his whole "I'm going to bring Sasuke back" chase has been ridiculous to me from the start. What good would bringing back would do if he doesn't come willingly? "I'll drag you back even if I have to break your arms and legs. Because you're my friend." Really? Did he really think Sasuke would still be his friend after that? He'd likely end up spending his life in prison for his transgressions against the village, and to keep him from escaping. What, did Naruto intend to brighten up Sasuke's visiting hours? Would he bring him a cake and throw him a cell warming party? What a joke.

I Agree partially, his clan did not get wiped out without negotiation the third hokage offer negotiation but the time was running out then one day before he made the offer to itachi.

2-> If we follow your logic naruto should not have allegiance with konoha because his parents die to save the village and everyone treated him like a trash plus, his mother come to konoha only as a jinchuuriki.
The difference is naruto's friends are his family, and what about Sasuke.

Sasuke back i dont know about this since he will become the last villain.

Sasuke has bonds with naruto despite he did not say we are friends or whatever but he has, because he made a promise to naruto.

Edited by dovahkiin, 14 July 2012 - 07:05 PM.