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[TouKen4Life3g]

Hinata is a wasted potential character along with 90% of the roster.

[Bail o' Lies]

Hinata is a wasted potential character along with 90% of the roster.

Kishimoto didn't really focus on anyone that wasn't Naruto or Sasuke.

[gamma]

 You mixing interviews a lot of his earlier interviews he stated he did not understand why she was so popular, and it was the one where he calls SS toxic he made the comment about the breast when one of the guys said she was his favorite character.

It's really sad but Kishi was being so real there lmfao this guy

[TouKen4Life3g]

I have a lot of work today. I'm pretty sure anyone can fill me in.

[ThroughWithLove]

Yes, actually.

 

There's a point where bashing isn't debatable, I.E., you are being hateful to a character. How intense that is, now that is subjective. Though ultimately whether this qualifies as bashing 100%, that would depend on -why- she said that. Still, it's a very inappropriate comment to make about a character, whose breasts frankly go unmentioned even in comical ways in the manga and the Last. SP maybe makes a couple of jokes out of it, and the Road to Ninja little story Kishimoto does, but...that's it. I will take Luna's word though, that she didn't mean it in such a context of bashing.

 

Okay, so just to be clear, if someone says "I hate jews and black people!", that's the same as saying "Naruto is a jackass" or "Hinata's boobs are her personality"?

 

And can you prove it is objectively wrong to be hateful to a fictional character? Forgot intensity. Lets talk about the concept alone.

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 04 August 2017 - 01:29 PM.

[ThroughWithLove]

 

You're asking if it can be determined if it is objectively wrong, i.e., in the concept of morality. Morality is subjective, but there is certainly societal consensus, I.E., murder is not accepted. Really, these days, so is describing someone by their assets (I.E., body shaming), particularly, when their assets aren't emphasized at all in the manga as being like that.

 

FYI Bigotry is more than race, as well. Whether or not it holds the same weight is really a decision by the observer.

 

While we can debate morality really forever, this sort of behavior should be avoided, as human beings, we are better then that. This is why I condemned "Fat filler" as well.

 

I'm aware of no societal consensus in regards to "denigrating a fictional character", but it sounds like you're saying your standards are subjective. If that's the case, you're really not in any position to be telling someone else what they need to be better than. Just saying.

 

And you didn't answer my question on bigotry. I'm not interested in "the decision by the observer." You are the observer, are you not? So lets hear your answer. Is "I hate jews and black people" the same as saying "Naruto is a jackass", "Hinata's boobs are her personality" or that a certain Boruto character is "fat filler." It's a simple yes or no question.

 

I don't think you've told us anything objective that would lead us to believe that denigrating fictional characters is to be avoided or why we should be better than that as human beings.

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 04 August 2017 - 02:32 PM.

[BlackShirtGuy]

Jeez someone needs a lesson on what's bashing and what isn't I'm gonna give you a brief example:

"UGH, Sakura is flipping useless and she is abusive towards Naruto, she's always about Sasuke,welp now she is an loveless marriage and Naruto is with the better woman HA-HA SUCK IT SAKURA" = bashing

"Hinata is annoying, she sucks, she is just there to say na-naruto-kun, her boobs are her only redeeming quality" = bashing

"Sakura reverted to her state of fangirl in love with Sasuke and nothing else matter in chap 693, it's really stupid and sad"= criticizing

"Hinata has no purpose in this story anymore, she got what she always wanted and there is nothing else more for her, because she only cared for Naruto, and no don't tell me otherwise if she did, she would've at least honored her cousin memory and try to fix her clan" = criticizing

Learn the difference  and stop with this passive agressiveness.
 

[Phantom_999]

$10.00 she brings up the subjective debate again.

[BlackShirtGuy]

Allow me to quote myself:

 

Jeez someone needs a lesson on what's bashing and what isn't I'm gonna give you a brief example:

"UGH, Sakura is flipping useless and she is abusive towards Naruto, she's always about Sasuke,welp now she is an loveless marriage and Naruto is with the better woman HA-HA SUCK IT SAKURA" = bashing

"Hinata is annoying, she sucks, she is just there to say na-naruto-kun, her boobs are her only redeeming quality" = bashing

"Sakura reverted to her state of fangirl in love with Sasuke and nothing else matter in chap 693, it's really stupid and sad"= criticizing

"Hinata has no purpose in this story anymore, she got what she always wanted and there is nothing else more for her, because she only cared for Naruto, and no don't tell me otherwise if she did, she would've at least honored her cousin memory and try to fix her clan" = criticizing

Learn the difference  and stop with this passive agressiveness.
 

 

Now:

 

Actually, the last one is pretty much bashing.

Interesting, so if it is critic against Hinata is bashing (even tough I gave a reason for my critic, I got WAAAY more under the hat) but it isn't bashing if I'm criticizing Sakura it is not??? 
Why do you protect Hinata like that, do you see yourself in her or something?
To tell you the truth this response has really open my eyes, so yo just prefer Hinata much more that anyone else huh?
I don't know the reason why but I can tell its true, why is THAT the only statement you have a problem with??
It doesn't add up, especially when you defend The Last and SS shouldn't you should also take what I said about Sakura like bashing, considering you said the characters remained the same??
If anyobody had any doubts about you, I think this will help clear them you are just a Hinata maniac fanatic.

[sushi.]

Analyzer you have no right to ask this of us(not bash characters that is). Everytime we ask you not to do something, or to simply be respectful, you say you may do whatever you want. You are provocative, always need the last word and even made the why do we like NS thread into a debate, when you should've taken the discussion to the actual debate thread.

So, don't ask us to do anything besides follow forum rules. At the end of the day characters are pen and paper and the users you pick on here are real people.

[LuckyChi7]

Shout out to BlueStar for showing me this (just a heads up he didn't make it) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BlueStarSaber]

It's one of my favourite doujins

[Yyubie]

That's very old from long ago , it's one of the best.

[T XD]

This doujin is adorable.

[Luna]

I've seen the clip on Naruto coming home drunk and the youtube comments are disgusting. I mean some are funny but yeah.... So many comments about Naruto banging Hinata after or about his stroke game.

Edited by Luna, 04 August 2017 - 11:44 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Shout out to BlueStar for showing me this (just a heads up he didn't make it) 
 
 

 
 

 
 
 

 
 

 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 

 
 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

Beautiful just beautiful.
How did you like the ending of fairy tail?

[VanitasDS76491]

I've seen the clip on Naruto coming home drunk and the youtube comments are disgusting. I mean some are funny but yeah.... So many comments about Naruto banging Hinata after or about his stroke game.

Naruto can not get drunk kurama won't let him unless it's like in claymore where they get be drunk if they want to, if he was drunk and they did bang wonder if he yell out sakura's name and hinata didn't do anything like usual.

[Yyubie]

In my experience people drunk themselves in beer/alcohol because the in deep stress or not happy with their lives, by getting drunk they think they can escape that reality even if it's temporarily it's freedom.

 

It'll be funny if when they bring Naruto home while he was drunk in front of Hinata , boruto , himaw , and their friends Naruto say something like "Sakura chan why did you choose Sasuke , i can't forget about you no matter how much i try to force myself" in front of all of them   I mean we all know the only positive thing that can come out from a drunk people is HONESTY.

Edited by Yyubie, 05 August 2017 - 01:18 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

I've seen the clip on Naruto coming home drunk and the youtube comments are disgusting. I mean some are funny but yeah.... So many comments about Naruto banging Hinata after or about his stroke game.

What do you expect? The remaining pro ending fans only care about sex, and how much is their insert are getting so they can imagine that they are getting some.

 

In my experience people drunk themselves in beer/alcohol because the in deep stress or not happy with their lives, by getting drunk they think they can escape that reality even if it's temporarily it's freedom.

Which is why SP originally said Naruto wasn't an alcoholic. Then they made him a "light weight" so they can use the hangover excuse while implying this was a one time celebratory aftereffect, to justify the "sleeping on the couch."

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 05 August 2017 - 03:48 AM.

[ThroughWithLove]

 

There is a societal, at least editor consensus when an editor is certainly doing this, or a reader. Though, in workshops and the professional world, people generally stay professional, and this never happens.

 

I'm not even aware of an editor consensus either to be honest, but why should what some editor or workshop thinks be binding to the actions of you, myself or the other random users on an equally random online forum?  

 

 

 

And simple: Why should we be hateful towards a fictional character, that  A: Is not a villain, and B: is shown as "Good", I.E., they are a helper of sorts? Is being hateful good for a human being? You can argue this, sure, go ahead. But it's not a position most of society is going to agree.

 

Pretty simple. Because it turns out that people can hate fictional characters who are not villains and are "good guys" for all intents and purposes. A very common case of this is gary/mary-sue protagonists. In my eyes, they're boring and generally have about as much depth as a bowl of cheerios. I and a lot of people HATE and I mean HATE Scrappy doo with a passion! 

 

 Is being hateful good for a human being? Depends on how the hate gets used. For example, it can be used to relieve stress and improve your quality of life. So from that standpoint, I'd actually encourage people to express their true thoughts on these characters (within the forum rules of course, none of which have been violated thus far). 

 

Don't know what most of society agrees with nor am I interested. The crux of the matter is that you are attempting to impose your subjective standards on others despite your stated allegedly objective purpose here.

 

 

 

As for your latter question, honestly, I just consider remarks about Boobs as bad as race, yes. No, the Naruto insult is not as bad, but frankly, he's not that adjective, so it comes off more as hateful, because the wielder of it: Hates the Manga, and 2: Is unhappy their ship didn't become canon. Which is fine, but cool down with the aggressive diction.

 

See the hyperlink in the quote. And you cool down on your subjective critiques.

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 05 August 2017 - 02:15 AM.