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[BlackShirtGuy]

@Analyzer haha conspiracy theory she says... sure. of course you are right!
why would fans hate a movie that doesn't have the main characters (Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi) as the central focus?
why would fans hate a movie that in the first 10 minutes contradicts the lore of the FIRST EFFING chapter of the manga??
why would fans hate a movie that disregards all the bonds the main character has formed throught his journey just for "Hinata-Sama" the appearentyl all powerful "Biakugan Princess???
why would fans hate a movie in which the main character is guilttripped into falling in love????
why would fans hate a movie that didn't allowed refunds and lied (initially) for advertisement puropses?????
why would fans hate a movie in which the main character betrays his Nindo??????
why would fans hate a movie in which the main character is revealed  to have been lyiing to himself the whole series(Essentially making him a Hypocrite)???????
why would fans hate a movie in which it is revealed the main character only saw his love interest as a PRIZE to win from his rival?????????
why would fans hate a movie in which the plot mades absolutely no sense??????????
why would fans hate a movie in which the main character throws away his mother gift just to please a woman who he barely interacted with throught 6 years??????????
Analyzer, you are sooo full of it.

Edited by BlackShirtGuy, 03 August 2017 - 01:16 PM.

[BlackShirtGuy]

So, you agree with The Last explanation on Naruto "love" for Sakura, and you have the gall to call yourself a NS fan?
No wonder most people here can't stand arguing with you. You are a walking contradiction, just like kishimoto but hey, be happy about it that means maybe in a distant future you will create something very popular and get crazy rich.
To your elaborate statements, what's the point?? You are gonna negate everything either me or someone else have to say about the matter, so why even bother.
Also yes, hate is a really strong word, but what does it matter to you what I hate and what I like from this series as I say in another post I love all of part 1 and decently enjoy most of part 2 up to pein arc, you'll have your opinion, I will have mine.

[LuckyChi7]

Finishing the latest chapter of my book (getting really close to the climax) with one specific moment made me kinda nostaglic, and damn makes we wish we saw something like this in the manga: 

 

 

This might be pretty long, but definitely worth it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll probably make a different thread about this story cause it's over 131 pages, but damn it's beautiful. 

 

 

 

Shout out to our good bud, Celious  for putting it the effort. 

[lupina]

For some reason, I can't use a Quote. So I'll just write it down as it is.

 

 

What part of "NH was never hinted/planned/shown" did you not understand?

You can't predict something without evidence - or are you claiming smarter than Kishimoto and his Editors?

 

The Trope/Theme NS belongs to has not been "broken". It was retconned for non-story-related reasons very shortly before its execution. Nearly everybody realized that something is not right here, even NH and SS fans, who felt betrayed over the developement of their ship (what is understandable - because THERE WAS NONE!) even tho they were made canon!

 

You are moving on very thin ice here, if you accuse nearly the entire fanbase of "overthinking" while having absolutely no evidence on your side for the actual outcome.

[ThroughWithLove]

Finishing the latest chapter of my book (getting really close to the climax) with one specific moment made me kinda nostaglic, and damn makes we wish we saw something like this in the manga: 

 

 

This might be pretty long, but definitely worth it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll probably make a different thread about this story cause it's over 131 pages, but damn it's beautiful. 

 

 

 

Shout out to our good bud, Celious  for putting it the effort. 

 

There are some parts of that I think are somewhat OOC, but I nonetheless approve 10/10! Infinitely better than the character assassinations these characters got in canon.

[ThroughWithLove]

I don't want to come off as bashing the work and I've already constructively told Celious myself in the past when she was in the process of publishing all of this on deviantart. 

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 03 August 2017 - 03:34 PM.

[Yyubie]

@LuckyChi7

I'm speechless i can only give you this :

[lupina]

The things wich you call "Evidence" have been discussed and debunked numerous times by other users in this thread now, and since you take your own interpretation of things as "facts", because you seem to assume that the final outcome of gave you the right to do so, I see no point in going through them again.

The interview in wich it had been stated that, NH was not planned/established/hinted in the original series at all and thus needet a movie to explain the ending/outcome has also been posted and discussed here various times in the past. Since you have been a silent reader here for quite some time, I assume that you are aware of that. 

 

 

 

 

You are correct, it was never broken, for it never existed.

 

First you said that it is not a bad thing to break a trope (by going NH instead of NS) and now you say the trope does not exist. Please decide. You are contradicting yourself. 

 

 

 

 

Here we go, the numbers claim. Also this NH and SS claim, which makes no sense, we're almost putting them in a place of fanon shippers here. First off, this is a bold claim, and a cursory look around the major Naruto fanbase sites does not concur towards your theory. The Ending definitely was a bit mixed, partially because people weren't ready for it to end, they wanted more, a more full closure from everything. Shippers were upset for obvious reasons, and those who hated Naruto well.. we weren't expecting any change anyway. No, I find your claim of Nearly Everyone quite flat. 

 

That's most likely because most of the people who were dissadisfied with the outcome left the Fandom a pretty long while ago. 

Presceptions are subjective, but when Anti-Hinata/Anti-Ending Threads are shooting up like mushrooms, the Hero of the Series being called "the worst scumbag" by his native Fanbase and the two main couples make it into the top ten of the "Wich couples would you like to wuit already" list - there MIGHT be something to it. 

 

 

 

 

Except we aren't accusing the entire fanbase of overthinking. Only a select few.

 

 

Sorry, while reading through the pages, I got a different impression.

[Moon_Girl]

Honestly, I remember watching that Yahoo reviews page when the Last was shown in theaters. The only reason it didn't hit lower than 2 stars is because of the hired fake reviewers that were spamming it and giving it five stars. (Their posts were generic and were promoting the novel as in "Buy the novel too!" so there was zero doubt they were hired)

The highest ranked comment was an angry/upset fan.
There was also a lot of people complaining about the pre-order scam. That wasn't a controversy, nor an overreaction. It was a very real thing.

Edited by Moon_Girl, 03 August 2017 - 11:43 PM.

[BlackShirtGuy]

@Moon_girl , @lupina You're better off not trying to make @Analyzer see the light, seriously it gets funny at first, seeing the "facts" she comes up with to defend her claims, but then it just starts to get annoying  after a while just like Kishimoto's post ending interviews.
I mean if she knew what she was saying, she wouldn't defend The Last and SS , they are undefendable.

[Luna]

Woo, I've been gone a while. I changed laptops and forgot the password. then I was just lurking until I tried to recover my password. :) 

 

My two cents. I think  Studio Perriot doesn't know what to do with Hinata now that she's the "Heroine". She doesn't have much put into her character. Maybe if she was clan head there could have been a nice little arc there about clan drama and stuff but since she doesn't even have that and only has Naruto and Chunnin status to her name she's as empty as her eyes. So they'll have to make her more interesting but they can't mold her into Sakura because, I mean come on, Sakura is infamous and universally hated so NO ONE is going to like it and she doesn't even have  an interesting personality. Her boobs are her personality.

Edited by Luna, 04 August 2017 - 12:39 AM.

[ThroughWithLove]

Woo, I've been gone a while. I changed laptops and forgot the password. then I was just lurking until I tried to recover my password. :) 

 

My two cents. I think  Studio Perriot doesn't know what to do with Hinata now that she's the "Heroine". She doesn't have much put into her character. Maybe if she was clan head there could have been a nice little arc there about clan drama and stuff but since she doesn't even have that and only has Naruto and Chunnin status to her name she's as empty as her eyes. So they'll have to make her more interesting but they can't mold her into Sakura because, I mean come on, Sakura is infamous and universally hated so NO ONE is going to like it and she doesn't even have  an interesting personality. Her boobs are her personality.

 

That's what happens when your whole character boils down to "Naruto-kun!" Not much to do with her once she finally obtains him, now is there? Like a dog chasing cars.

[BlackShirtGuy]

 

That's what happens when your whole character boils down to "Naruto-kun!" Not much to do with her once she finally obtains him, now is there? Like a dog chasing cars.

Speaking of which, I've always thought that making a character arc only revolve around his/her crush is one of the stupidest things a writer could make, it was always one of the reasons I hate characters like Serena and Hinata, because on the chance they get together with his/her crush her character just "dies". Hinata is the walking proof of that not even SP know what to do with her anymore, she was always all about "Naruto-Kun" well she married him, made babies with him, there is really nothing else for her to do, she would be better off dead, ( though I could argue that for Naruto and Sakura too BUT for completely different reasons)

[ThroughWithLove]

This notion that there's something wrong with bashing sounds subjective. Just saiyin'.

[T XD]

Sakura is not universally hated? I love Sakura.

She meant with those who liked the ending who are seeing Boruto. Not every single person who was a reader of Naruto manga.

Edited by T XD, 04 August 2017 - 01:52 AM.

[ThroughWithLove]

 

Really, Bashing is akeen to bigotry, and it's generaly seen as a negative thing, I.E., it's not something that society will smile at you for doing.

 

But sure, it's subjective.

 

You would compare denigrating a fictional character to bigotry? 

 

And since it is subjective, I assume we can agree that Luna views on bashing are no more valid than yours and thus there is no need condemn her for engaging in it (i.e. "you're better than that).

[BlackShirtGuy]

Analyzer is at it again isn't she???
I don't know what she said but I didn't said that because I hate the characters (well I hate what became of them but that's subjective) , I want them gone because in Hinata's case there is nothing in this story for her, and  Naruto and Sakura are a former shadow of they own self.
Then again one could say it can't get worse or it didn't get bad (in your case, Analyzer) , but it was chapter 693 that  reverted Sakura to her chapter 2 state, then we had The Last, now all of Boruto I rather not risk it anymore. 

[Luna]

1: The Interviews say NH was planned at the beginning/early on, and decided in the middle, or a while ago, to include the various wordings, which really match with eachother. THis isn't disputable. The Interviews do say this. Please go back and read them.

 

2: You're misunderstanding what I said. NS was never broken, the ship, it never existed in canon.

 

3: Right, but if both couples also make it in the most popular list... See what I mean?

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure how we get an unweightable argument of hired fake reviews, that promote it, but don't assume that bad reviews are also being spammed.

 

Not to even begin the fact that Yahoo reviews is not a film review site? That it'd be more likely that a film reviewing site would be a better pick for deciding to watch something?

 

The Pre-Order Scam has nothing to do with the movie people. And it is still exaggerated.

 

 

The Last and SS are defendable, though? What exactly is the argument though you are making against them.

 

I mean if your argument is that the Last is X amount of minutes, and iti s an X amount of minutes, then that's right.

 

If your argument is that the Last has an OOC Naruto, well, that's totally defendable.

 

 

Hinata ins't the "Heroine" in Boruto. She is the "Heroine" in the Last, though. No, she doesn't need to be clan head to make her character have more? We already have her as a mother, but the principal character is Boruto.

 

Sakura is not universally hated? I love Sakura.

 

And the last comment is just bashing. Come on. You're better then that.

 

Well, it's not so much bashing since it's true. I've seen the Swagkura's video about Hinata vs Sakura and literally the first comment is "Hinata wins because her boobs are bigger than Sakura's."

 

Don't get me wrong, I severely dislike Hinata but I would not bash her  unless it's true. My two brothers are NH fans and bash Sakura every chance they get yet I don't reply by bashing Hinata. I was just speaking the truth. Her boobs ARE her personality.

[gamma]

 

Well, it's not so much bashing since it's true. I've seen the Swagkura's video about Hinata vs Sakura and literally the first comment is "Hinata wins because her boobs are bigger than Sakura's."

 

Don't get me wrong, I severely dislike Hinata but I would not bash her  unless it's true. My two brothers are NH fans and bash Sakura every chance they get yet I don't reply by bashing Hinata. I was just speaking the truth. Her boobs ARE her personality.

 

Was there not an interview where when asked what made Hinata so likable/popular, Kishi responded that he didn't know why and thought it was because of her boobs?

 

But I agree, 100%

[Bail o' Lies]

Speaking of which, I've always thought that making a character arc only revolve around his/her crush is one of the stupidest things a writer could make, it was always one of the reasons I hate characters like Serena and Hinata, because on the chance they get together with his/her crush her character just "dies". Hinata is the walking proof of that not even SP know what to do with her anymore, she was always all about "Naruto-Kun" well she married him, made babies with him, there is really nothing else for her to do, she would be better off dead, ( though I could argue that for Naruto and Sakura too BUT for completely different reasons)

The thing is she was originally just a satellite character for Neji. I imagine her original end was that she was going to marry her cousin (which is legal in Japan), and the two of them together world end the Branch seal system that enslaves at least half their clan. After Neji's death that was dropped because that was his story, and once she became the love interest her being the daughter of basically a slave master was awkward so it was just dropped.

 

SP was the ones that made her think only of Naruto-kun because that's what they focused on and that's what they wanted her to be. Their goal was to try and make Hinata become the love interest. They wanted her to become the prefect waifu because that's what they wanted her to be. The problem is she can only be the prefect waifu in a perfect world. When Naruto spends to much time at work he neglects his family, and her son has intense daddy issues among other problems. By how she is written by Kishimoto, and SP up to this point she can't handle it. Kishimoto so far has shown (the gaiden, 700, the oneshot, and the movie) she can't handle it, while SP has to change her personality so she can.

 

 

Was there not an interview where when asked what made Hinata so likable/popular, Kishi responded that he didn't know why and thought it was because of her boobs?

 

But I agree, 100%

You mixing interviews; a lot of his earlier interviews he stated he did not understand why she was so popular, and it was the one where he calls SS toxic he made the comment about the breast when one of the guys said she was his favorite character.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 09 August 2017 - 12:21 AM.