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[Froot]

IMO, he is creating drama and trying lenghtening the story. Or creating drama in order to try lenghtening the story. Don't look further in it.

Agreed. Drama = More views. It's elementary.

I don't know if his editors are focing him out to drag the plot out, but I wouldn't be shocked.

I'm hoping his editors won't make him do anything that affects the overall plot.

And if you think about it, I don't think Kishimoto intends ending the shipping wars too soon. So he throws one bone to shippers every so often (do you remember when Hinata and Naruto walked together as searching Ssuke?).

Purely fanservice. Nothing significant came out of it. It may be evidence that Kishi is, indeed, doing as you say he is.

It's possible he's throwing bones to US? Perhaps. However, Naruto acknowledging Hinata like a friend, she tagging along in one mission, she confessing... had no consequences. The bench scene, The Promise of a Lifetime, Sai asking Naruto about his feelings, speaking to Sakura about them, Sakura confessing her feelings... had consequences. Grave, far-reaching and plot-affecting consequences. So I don't think those are scenes are thrown bones

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Nope. They're called plot. Hinata, not being a member of Team 7 or a major villain has no significance to the plot - At least, not in any important sense. Everything is between Team 7 now. The only significance she holds is as a member of the Rookies - Thus, as much importance as Tenten.

I don't understand it, either. Sai is stating Sakura has given up on Sasuke and chosen Naruto (and here ten thousand fics went up in blazes), Naruto should have realized that, and she wants killing Sasuke (something I avoided stating earlier just in case I was wrong) in order to protect Naruto, Konoha, and saving the last shred of humanity dwelling on her ex-teammate, the part she fell in love with (I wonder what she will think if she's told that side never existed).

I reckon all of that is positive.

And you would be right. It's a very good thing.

But Sai has hinted even if she loves Naruto she may be still in love with Sasuke... and shippers panic.

I was actually expecting Sakura to still love Sasuke. That's a huge piece of the plot, and damned if Kishi just throws it out without any resolution. I'm thinking that's what Sakura's confrontation with Sasuke will result in, her confirming Sasuke's ebilness, thus, she really CAN'T love him anymore. It's pointless to still deny that she loves Sasuke.

By the way, I reckon the same people claimed "Sai doesn't know what he is talking about" when he uttered Naruto was in love with Sakura" back then are now stating "Sai knows what he is talking about" after what he has told Sakura loves Sasuke.

Absolutely.

Those people claimed that Sai didn't know what he was talking about. Well, of course not. He's just a main character who is indirectly saying words spoken by Kishimoto himself. What the hell does he know?

Oh, but he knows Sakura loves Sasuke because he's an expert and knows everything.

I agree. I haven't been looking for fanart in weeks due to the mind-numbing, sight-dulling idiocy pervading NS fandom.

I still looks for fics in FF.Net and other places, though. Someone has to keep the Fanfiction List updated, hasn't he?

Kudos, brave soldier.

EDIT: Please allow me to quote myself at another forum I so bravely ventured. Tell me what you think of the theory.

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If you notice, Kishi seems to be darting back and forth between pairings. First, SasuSaku. Then, NaruSaku. Then, NaruHina, and for a brief moment, NaruSaku again, and now, SasuSaku.

As far as I'm concerned, NaruHina will not appear again. Up to this point, all the issues and conflicts have been more focused outside of Team 7; i.e., the Akatsuki, Pein.

But now, with this chapter, things have been transitioned from a free-for-all melee conflict party to solely Team 7's affairs; Sasuke going AWOL, Sakura's willingness to kill him, Naruto's desperation, etc. The only ones that really matter now are Team 7. Therefore, Hinata, being outside of Team 7 as she is, holds no more significance. The only significance she holds is as a member of the Rookies. Basically, she's as important as Tenten or Shino again.

(Shikamaru is exempt from this, since he's always been a flexible character who could be adapted to just about every situation, like in the first Gaara - Chunin exams arc. He's been useful in everything ever since. Fortunately, I don't see ShikaNaru happening )

That said, it comes down to either SasuSaku... or NaruSaku.

Regardless of my obvious preference to NaruSaku, I say it's more likely anyways.

Throughout the entire series, NaruSaku has remained the only constant relationship. NaruHina appeared in short bursts then quickly died, disappearing for an undisclosed time, then coming back randomly and briefly. SasuSaku, well, seemed to be sunk at the start of Part II, but is now "coming back" almost 300 chapters later. With risk of Sakura or Sasuke dying.

Throughout all this, Naruto and Sakura have remained together at a constant, steady rate. Through all the NH and SS "bursts," if you will, NaruSaku has remained; I say it will still remain through this SasuSaku "burst."

Basically; NaruSaku will survive this, another simple bump in the road like it has so many times before. That's why the chapter doesn't bother me. The series is progressing as it was intended to, and this is development, just another bump, wherein I think NaruSaku will come out alive for GOOD, better than ever.

Sorry if it was a little confusing. But I'm thinkin' it's possible.

Edited by Froot, 03 December 2009 - 01:34 PM.

[ciardha]

I'm hoping his editors won't make him do anything that affects the overall plot.

I doubt it, drag it out but not change it. I've never heard of an editor doing anything other than pushing for a happy ending, especially for the main romantic couple of the writers choice in shoujo manga. Yuu Watase talked about with Fushigi Yuugi her original plan for Miaka and Tamahome was what eventually was shifted to Suzano and Tatara. I think the editor made it a better story by pushing for that change, it made you scared they'd be parted but when Suzaku was able to bring Tamahome over to be reborn in the real world as Taka but then become so weakened that Miaka and Taka had to battle as one at the end- taking on the powers of all four gods and to save the world it made it intensely powerful. (Very nice use of sex magic too, Wiccans like me went- Oh wow! when Watase did that in the story.

There's a belief amongst many Wiccans that sexual romantic love is the strongest force in the universe. It was essentially seeing that acted out in a story. Watase got it from Taoism which has a similar element amongst some practitioners. The skeptic in me goes no way, not in the real world, but the romantic Wiccan side loves the concept.)

Nope. They're called plot. Hinata, not being a member of Team 7 or a major villain has no significance to the plot - At least, not in any important sense. Everything is between Team 7 now. The only significance she holds is as a member of the Rookies - Thus, as much importance as Tenten.

And Naruto knows Hinata voted for Sasuke's death with no qualms, do you think he's going to think kindly of her for that?

He knows that for Sakura it was the choice because of the feelings she had for who Sasuke was. And yes, the Team 7 being everything is emphasized by Sai both in the flashback of his conversation with Sakura and talking to Naruto. Sai pleads with both of them because he's a member of Team 7 too, they both acknowledge that fact (nice touch subtle there too- both have accepted Sai as part of Team 7, no reservations anymore) but both Naruto and Sakura are thinking of each other and about Sasuke and what to do alone about it. Naruto's frozen and confused, Sakura has made her choice to act against Sasuke to save Naruto. Then Gaara comes up and basically tells Naruto he's made the same decision. Gaara is not a member of Team 7 but he has an intense bond to Naruto that is on the same level, so he's a part of this.

Another point that hasn't been brought up is that Sakura knew even when she pleaded with Sasuke not to go in part 1 that he never did and never would love her, she's not going there thinking of any chance of sasusaku, she accepted a long time ago that would never happen. She knows now just how much Naruto loves her and she loves Naruto too. I don't think the bench scene plays as much a role as some people have said, it's likely there as a minor key and probably confuses her because she knows Sasuke never did or will be in love with her, it's likely been shut away in her subconscious because consciously it doesn't match with what she knew of him even in part 1 by the time he left. What's more a conscious memory was the one time he acted just on her behalf, got angry with vengence for her in the Forest of Death when he became conscious and saw how hurt she was and enraged triggered the curse seal the first time to get venegence for her sake. Of course that's immediately tied in with her fear of him, seeing the extent of his dark side the first time and so freaking out that she acted to bring him out of it and suceeded, but then he immediately after grabs her arm painfully and with ciold anger tells her she better not tell Naruto about the curse seal, again profoundly frightening her.

[catsi563]

the bench scenes signifigance comes in with Sakuras desire to find out if the Sasuke she fell in love with is still there. it has to be very confusing for her to know a person who would make her fondest dream come true, acknowledge her--which was a major theme in the par 1 manga-- and then would turn on her and crush every things they believed in beneath there feet.

the current scene further reinforces my beliefs that what i supect will happen will occur soon. and what I suspect Sakura feels is also going to be resolved soon as well.

adn one thing im seeing is a lot fo its going to come down to SasuSaku or narusaku. Again people are dismissing out of hand one VERY important person to Sasuke as of part 2.

Karin.

She is trully going to blow peoples minds i feel. in point of fact I strongly suspect that alot of narusaku fans who hate Karin are going to be eating a whole lot of black bird before the mangas done.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

the bench scenes signifigance comes in with Sakuras desire to find out if the Sasuke she fell in love with is still there. it has to be very confusing for her to know a person who would make her fondest dream come true, acknowledge her--which was a major theme in the par 1 manga-- and then would turn on her and crush every things they believed in beneath there feet.

the current scene further reinforces my beliefs that what i supect will happen will occur soon. and what I suspect Sakura feels is also going to be resolved soon as well.

adn one thing im seeing is a lot fo its going to come down to SasuSaku or narusaku. Again people are dismissing out of hand one VERY important person to Sasuke as of part 2.

Karin.

She is trully going to blow peoples minds i feel. in point of fact I strongly suspect that alot of narusaku fans who hate Karin are going to be eating a whole lot of black bird before the mangas done.

The big part I'd see Karin play in the battle with Sakura's team against Sasuke is some hesitation because of her seeing Sasuke's evil side for herself and feeling the raw vile feel of his chakra during the Gokage Summit. Perhaps in the long run, she may not be willing to help him too much since he could just expose how he'd throw any bonds he has away possibly.

Bryon

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

the bench scenes signifigance comes in with Sakuras desire to find out if the Sasuke she fell in love with is still there. it has to be very confusing for her to know a person who would make her fondest dream come true, acknowledge her--which was a major theme in the par 1 manga-- and then would turn on her and crush every things they believed in beneath there feet.

the current scene further reinforces my beliefs that what i supect will happen will occur soon. and what I suspect Sakura feels is also going to be resolved soon as well.

I agree with your post Catsi. So one way for Sakura it was NARUTO FOR ALL ALONG...

[Froot]

So, I think we can all finally agree; This chapter was good for NaruSaku's overall development.

[Miss Soupy]

NS is going somewhere; it has development.

Unfortunately, I see a lot of 'NS is dead' posts everywhere. People are so quick to jump on NS, probably because it is the most threatening pairing.

[tekopi]

I hope Kishi will not making any foul play with this NS development.

[ciardha]

NS is going somewhere; it has development.

Unfortunately, I see a lot of 'NS is dead' posts everywhere. People are so quick to jump on NS, probably because it is the most threatening pairing.

They say that every time, even with the screamingly obvious positive ns moments. Just sit back and laugh about the fits they will throw when Sakura and Naruto are together and have kids at the end of the manga.

[Derock]

They say that every time, even with the screamingly obvious positive ns moments. Just sit back and laugh about the fits they will throw when Sakura and Naruto are together and have kids at the end of the manga.

And they going to say something way off like "The baby is adopted or its Sasuke/Hinata's" or whatever BS statement they want to believe.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Miss Soupy is Right, The NS had developments, so it is intended to go in a place where it is right.

Anyways guys, I was in a chat with this NH/SS fan. And again, I was not surprised if they are rejoicing about the latest chapter for they assumed that Sakura is Lying, and NS is destroyed. I kept my patience, let them WANK/BASH/IGNORE all the NS developments.

I can show you guys what i have been recently encountered. I was stating first It is early to jump into conclusion, its Naruto's POV etc.. But again they intended to let my interpretation into astray.

You can Notice they are now comparing Sakura to Bella Swan of TWILIGHT, stating that it is Kishi's POV that it is the END of NS, Inculcating the Chapter Titles and basing it on their OTP.

Debate, the bold parts are tfrom the NH/SS Fan --Click here to view--

Again its Naruto's POV.
Then wouldn't be Kishi's since Naruto is his avatar for being the one who knows the ins and outs of his friends and bonds. Even Sai confirms it being true other wise he wouldn't have agreed with Naruto. And Sai is the emotions expert.

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He still BELIEVES on the OLD TEAM 7, which consist Sakura is still in LOVE with Sasuke.

And thats suddenly bad why, remember this is Naruto's story and his manga, not yours. Anything he says or believes in is most likely gonna be true in the end. He hasn't been proven wrong since.


Kishimoto's POV? We are talking the interactions of the characters here. Not the Author.

The author sometimes uses his characters as a credible source of interpetation on the characters he shows his own thoughts on in terms of how they feel. Sai and Naruto are more likely these examples of Kishi's thought process.

Again, IT IS NOT STATED if Sakura really LIED to her CONFESSION.

Did you not read 469 ending chapter?

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Naruto stated Sakura is hiding something from him and Sai stated Sakura's main goal is not to confess but to tell the Konoha's decision. If you add it all up, LYING is irrelevant.

Naruto saw through Sakura, she lied and more importantly she held back and failed to talk to him about Konoha killing Sasuke. Are you dense? Sakura lied about everything, but I don't deny she was trying to do the right thing.

Remember the "inlove" were all stated by Naruto thinking all the way in part 1. Sai Flashbacks were basing on post-shippuden part.

Again, he said Sakura was in love with him and Sai agreed. When you think about it, Sakura's character stayed in romantic Bella Swan mode till this point in the manga meaning she still holds the same feelings she held for Sasuke at this point.


I firmly believe that Sai only used the word "LOVE" because is still trapped on his belief tha Sakura still loves Sasuke, So Sai indeed used "love", for Naruto for easier understanding.

Sakura is in love with Sasuke, it's clear as day with the entirety of Sakura's confession and painful excuses she made to herself to try to forget about Sasuke and go on to Naruto. This was obviously her way of crying to Naruto about this whole thing. Sai can even see through it, Naruto has always seen this. Your underestimating Naruto's wisdom and perception on his precious people, he's obvious mature enough to know his friends emotions now.



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Sakura now understands that Sasuke is seeking for more darker. lower form of actions that she wanted to save him. Again, the feelings of Sakura on Sasuke, maybe be also a love for a teamate/friend.

Sakura was never a friend to Sasuke. Her bond with him was of a admirer and a childhood crush. And through that time, she eventually began to fall deeply in love with Sasuke as she started getting to know him better. I think your confusing her love for a teammate/friend with Naruto since she's always known Naruto as someone he liked and crushed on and just treated him like a brother.


I can't believe Sakura's just force to kill Sasuke because of guilt, suffering he casued on Naruto, giving him a burden. But it is also her decions to protect Naruto and Konoha.

Sakura's in love with him, she hates being a burden on everyone and she's sick of always being set aside, she just took matters in to her hands and decieded she was going to seek out Sasuke, all because she hates seeing him this way and is madly in love with him. Naruto and the village is something she uses as an excuse to justify her actions, it's not her true intention at all.



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Reckless? I don't think so.She already decided to do a MATURE part. You can see it on her way on the land of Iron, she is concentrating on the fact Sasuke may cause destruction to Konoha

No, not really. Sakura isn't logically adept to confront this like Kakashi or anyone else. She's stupid for going at it alone, she's doing this on pure emotions and love sickness.


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Again, WE still dont know Sakura's REAL feelings for Sasuke.

There real enough for her to go out alone and find him. I mean her job was to tell Naruto what the village was gonna do and return, she didn't do this.

if she still loves him romantically of not. I know first love is hard to move on, but basing on her actions right now, It is more like Sakura is going to confront Sasuke, for the matter to protect Naruto and for the Safety of Konoha.

But we know for sure, that Kishimoto said clearly, Sakura is still in love with Sasuke and will kill him for that love and her right as a konoha villager.




Naruto is nothing to do with it? So what's the use of Sakura's going to the land of iron, confronting Naruto?

Maybe to lie to him about killing Sauske maybe. She thought Naruto would give up chasing after Sasuke because she thinks he's saving him for her.


She accepted Naruto will hate her, because she did not tell the decision about Sasuke.

So how does this make NaruSaku any less destroyed?






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I thought the chapter is called is the Hokage's Resolution, and its quite depicted there that somewhat matters, Sakura acts like an Hokage,

In the first page, it's called Sai reveals Sakura's true feelings. Sakura doesn't act like anyone with Naruto's beliefs, this acoupled to Gaara means this is whats natural going by Madara's words.





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Well if you are only basing the recent chapters and ignoring the previous chapters, you can say , she's immature, but the only one thing is, SAKURA UNDERSTAND SASUKE IS A THREAT.

If you actually read in context, you'd find out accepting Sasuke as a lost cause is wrong and goes against the themes of the manga.
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AGain all the SASUSAKU moments are flashbacks of Naruto, Sakura never gave a flashback towards Sasuke, when Sai told her, Naruto loves her.

Funny, she gave plenty of SasuSaku moments before this event occured. Espiecally in the Sasori fight, and the Bed room scene. Funny you say that about Sai, Sai didn't even know Sakura had feelings for Sasuke after Naruto told him.

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She took advantage? it's quite out of Sakura's character.

I wish you'd stop painting Sakura as this mature and pure character, her flaws are being exploited to the fullest and you refuse to acknowledge them.


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Naruto thinks she's HIDING SOMETHING FROM HIM. LYING AND HIDING ARE TOW DIFFERENT WORDS.

Hiding the truth from someone is lying. No matter what.





Before Sai had told Naruto, Sakura's true intention, Naruto is IMMATURE, thinking Sasuke will be saved, Sakura in inlove with Sasuke, The OLD TEAM 7 will be back where Sakura faced the FACT that Sasuke is already in darkness, can harm Naruto and the rest of Konoha.

Again this is his story, and he knows all about Sasuke reasons for going to darkness. He's gonna be right reguardless. Sakura is the same way in a sense, she still wants it back to the way things were.

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so with this, Can you tell Naruto is still more MATURE with Sakura?

Yeah, because he knows how to settle this without anyone being killed. And he's supposed to bring peace to the ninja world.

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Sai is like the mediator, he wanted to help to RESOLVE. Again, Sai
told Naruto Sakura LOVES Sasuke because Naruto STILL insist Sakura is still inlove with Sasuke, and for Naruto to easier to understand, Sai used that.

Oh so Sai's a yes man to Naruto and has no understanding of the situation going on now and is agreeing with Naruto by default because he just said Sakura's in love with Sasuke because she lied to Naruto and actually gave everyone the slip on her true intentions? Yeah keep telling yourself that.

What reason would Sai have to lie to Naruto and himself about what Sakura actually did and hurt the guy he truly respects feelings in a case where he's actually right about this and wants to help any way he can?

So what do you guys Think?

[ciardha]

And they going to say something way off like "The baby is adopted or its Sasuke/Hinata's" or whatever BS statement they want to believe.

Yeah sure, with the kids all having pink and blonde hair, (actually I hope the kids do all have pink and blonde mixed hair just so that silliness can't be said, pink and blonde hair no doubt who the biological mommy and daddy are.)

[MelisaArtemis]

Debate, the bold parts are tfrom the NH/SS Fan --Click here to view--

Again its Naruto's POV.
Then wouldn't be Kishi's since Naruto is his avatar for being the one who knows the ins and outs of his friends and bonds. Even Sai confirms it being true other wise he wouldn't have agreed with Naruto. And Sai is the emotions expert.

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He still BELIEVES on the OLD TEAM 7, which consist Sakura is still in LOVE with Sasuke.

And thats suddenly bad why, remember this is Naruto's story and his manga, not yours. Anything he says or believes in is most likely gonna be true in the end. He hasn't been proven wrong since.


Kishimoto's POV? We are talking the interactions of the characters here. Not the Author.

The author sometimes uses his characters as a credible source of interpetation on the characters he shows his own thoughts on in terms of how they feel. Sai and Naruto are more likely these examples of Kishi's thought process.

Again, IT IS NOT STATED if Sakura really LIED to her CONFESSION.

Did you not read 469 ending chapter?

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Naruto stated Sakura is hiding something from him and Sai stated Sakura's main goal is not to confess but to tell the Konoha's decision. If you add it all up, LYING is irrelevant.

Naruto saw through Sakura, she lied and more importantly she held back and failed to talk to him about Konoha killing Sasuke. Are you dense? Sakura lied about everything, but I don't deny she was trying to do the right thing.

Remember the "inlove" were all stated by Naruto thinking all the way in part 1. Sai Flashbacks were basing on post-shippuden part.

Again, he said Sakura was in love with him and Sai agreed. When you think about it, Sakura's character stayed in romantic Bella Swan mode till this point in the manga meaning she still holds the same feelings she held for Sasuke at this point.


I firmly believe that Sai only used the word "LOVE" because is still trapped on his belief tha Sakura still loves Sasuke, So Sai indeed used "love", for Naruto for easier understanding.

Sakura is in love with Sasuke, it's clear as day with the entirety of Sakura's confession and painful excuses she made to herself to try to forget about Sasuke and go on to Naruto. This was obviously her way of crying to Naruto about this whole thing. Sai can even see through it, Naruto has always seen this. Your underestimating Naruto's wisdom and perception on his precious people, he's obvious mature enough to know his friends emotions now.



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Sakura now understands that Sasuke is seeking for more darker. lower form of actions that she wanted to save him. Again, the feelings of Sakura on Sasuke, maybe be also a love for a teamate/friend.

Sakura was never a friend to Sasuke. Her bond with him was of a admirer and a childhood crush. And through that time, she eventually began to fall deeply in love with Sasuke as she started getting to know him better. I think your confusing her love for a teammate/friend with Naruto since she's always known Naruto as someone he liked and crushed on and just treated him like a brother.


I can't believe Sakura's just force to kill Sasuke because of guilt, suffering he casued on Naruto, giving him a burden. But it is also her decions to protect Naruto and Konoha.

Sakura's in love with him, she hates being a burden on everyone and she's sick of always being set aside, she just took matters in to her hands and decieded she was going to seek out Sasuke, all because she hates seeing him this way and is madly in love with him. Naruto and the village is something she uses as an excuse to justify her actions, it's not her true intention at all.



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Reckless? I don't think so.She already decided to do a MATURE part. You can see it on her way on the land of Iron, she is concentrating on the fact Sasuke may cause destruction to Konoha

No, not really. Sakura isn't logically adept to confront this like Kakashi or anyone else. She's stupid for going at it alone, she's doing this on pure emotions and love sickness.


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Again, WE still dont know Sakura's REAL feelings for Sasuke.

There real enough for her to go out alone and find him. I mean her job was to tell Naruto what the village was gonna do and return, she didn't do this.

if she still loves him romantically of not. I know first love is hard to move on, but basing on her actions right now, It is more like Sakura is going to confront Sasuke, for the matter to protect Naruto and for the Safety of Konoha.

But we know for sure, that Kishimoto said clearly, Sakura is still in love with Sasuke and will kill him for that love and her right as a konoha villager.




Naruto is nothing to do with it? So what's the use of Sakura's going to the land of iron, confronting Naruto?

Maybe to lie to him about killing Sauske maybe. She thought Naruto would give up chasing after Sasuke because she thinks he's saving him for her.


She accepted Naruto will hate her, because she did not tell the decision about Sasuke.

So how does this make NaruSaku any less destroyed?






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I thought the chapter is called is the Hokage's Resolution, and its quite depicted there that somewhat matters, Sakura acts like an Hokage,

In the first page, it's called Sai reveals Sakura's true feelings. Sakura doesn't act like anyone with Naruto's beliefs, this acoupled to Gaara means this is whats natural going by Madara's words.





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Well if you are only basing the recent chapters and ignoring the previous chapters, you can say , she's immature, but the only one thing is, SAKURA UNDERSTAND SASUKE IS A THREAT.

If you actually read in context, you'd find out accepting Sasuke as a lost cause is wrong and goes against the themes of the manga.
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AGain all the SASUSAKU moments are flashbacks of Naruto, Sakura never gave a flashback towards Sasuke, when Sai told her, Naruto loves her.

Funny, she gave plenty of SasuSaku moments before this event occured. Espiecally in the Sasori fight, and the Bed room scene. Funny you say that about Sai, Sai didn't even know Sakura had feelings for Sasuke after Naruto told him.

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She took advantage? it's quite out of Sakura's character.

I wish you'd stop painting Sakura as this mature and pure character, her flaws are being exploited to the fullest and you refuse to acknowledge them.


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Naruto thinks she's HIDING SOMETHING FROM HIM. LYING AND HIDING ARE TOW DIFFERENT WORDS.

Hiding the truth from someone is lying. No matter what.





Before Sai had told Naruto, Sakura's true intention, Naruto is IMMATURE, thinking Sasuke will be saved, Sakura in inlove with Sasuke, The OLD TEAM 7 will be back where Sakura faced the FACT that Sasuke is already in darkness, can harm Naruto and the rest of Konoha.

Again this is his story, and he knows all about Sasuke reasons for going to darkness. He's gonna be right reguardless. Sakura is the same way in a sense, she still wants it back to the way things were.

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so with this, Can you tell Naruto is still more MATURE with Sakura?

Yeah, because he knows how to settle this without anyone being killed. And he's supposed to bring peace to the ninja world.

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Sai is like the mediator, he wanted to help to RESOLVE. Again, Sai
told Naruto Sakura LOVES Sasuke because Naruto STILL insist Sakura is still inlove with Sasuke, and for Naruto to easier to understand, Sai used that.

Oh so Sai's a yes man to Naruto and has no understanding of the situation going on now and is agreeing with Naruto by default because he just said Sakura's in love with Sasuke because she lied to Naruto and actually gave everyone the slip on her true intentions? Yeah keep telling yourself that.

What reason would Sai have to lie to Naruto and himself about what Sakura actually did and hurt the guy he truly respects feelings in a case where he's actually right about this and wants to help any way he can?

Ok, this arguments are just silly.... Tell the person this:

1. Who are you? Kishimoto? How the hell do you know how he thinks/believes/whatever? You don't. Your argument is nothing but speculations with nothing but opinion to back them up.

2. Naruto is NOT Sakura, he does NOT know what goes through in her head. Both him and Sakura are having only half of the picture, not the complete picture. Naruto decided that Sakura was lying because he compared her to the Sakura before the time skip, what he doesn't know is how much Sakura has matured mentally. This is a very common happening between extremely close friends where they overlook the subtle changes in each other.

3. Sakura is in love with Sasuke? Fair enough, Clear as day? That only apply to you. Kishimoto has not show any proof of her love for Sasuke, if you gonna argue about seeing underneath the underneath, I say: refer back to no. 1.

4. Sai mentioned things as he observed, they can be true or false. Again, none of them are proven until Kishimoto said otherwise.

5. You're basically contradicting yourself, Admiration and Crush are the foundation of a relationship. The problem is that they have to be nurtured by constant interaction in order to develop their relationship closer to grow, neither Sakura or Sasuke have done any to it. If anything, Sasuke has basically killing it slowly.

6. Sakura's reason to kill Sasuke was to prevent him to make a huge mistake and to prevent Naruto from hurting any further. This shows a degree of compassion toward Sasuke, yes but the depth is just like how some people decided to take the plug of their loved one's life support to prevent them from suffering any longer.

7. Sakura is prepared to be hated by Naruto shows that his opinion of her matters for her. This shows that her action was taken with his well-being as a consideration rather than herself.

8. The wording at the first page was written by Shonen Jump, not Kishimoto himself, 'nuff said.

9. Reading in context? What about you reading whats happening? How the hell is it wrong to let go of someone that has become a threat to the people you care about? it simply doesn't. why? because the situation has change.

10. Sasori? the only connection with Sasuke there was that Sasori planted a spy in Orochimaru's midst. At that time, her AND Naruto's goal was to bring Sasuke back, at that time, neither of them see Sasuke as an enemy, merely a friend thats waiting to be brought back. What bed room scene? are you talking about in the anime? if you do, stuff it. I only deal with authentic manga proofs. Otherwise, tell me the chapter and page number.

11. What about YOU stop your senseless Sakura hating? You're overlooking Sakura's growth and staying with the idea that Sakura is still the useless, childish and weak person that she was in part one.

12. Hiding is lying? Hell no. Lying is giving false truth for personal gain. Sakura did no such thing, she's simply omitting some information from Naruto, that is in any way similar to lying.

Edited by MelisaArtemis, 05 December 2009 - 11:08 AM.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

..^ As Usual, You PAWNED it Melissa.
But as you say, his arguments are silly, I was informed by the mod, that he is a troll

[Strangelove]

..^ As Usual, You PAWNED it Melissa.
But as you say, his arguments are silly, I was informed by the mod, that he is a troll

figures <3

[Froot]

I think they're an idiot and not worth debating since they won't listen to reason, even if Kishi indirectly stated it himself.

They're being vague and unclear anyways. Like they don't even know what they're talking about themselves.

Oh, and how DARE they compare Sakura to Bella!

[Strangelove]

I think they're an idiot and not worth debating since they won't listen to reason, even if Kishi indirectly stated it himself.

They're being vague and unclear anyways. Like they don't even know what they're talking about themselves.

Oh, and how DARE they compare Sakura to Bella!

They're in denial right now...so sad...

[Froot]

Feh. If you think that's denial, you should see Viz Forums. Some (but not all) fans refuse to listen to reason.

It's only by the grace of god that TwilightLink20xx and MelisaArtemis are helping out with debating. The three of us alone, along with others like phearts and bacon_army17 are like, the only ones debating for NaruSaku.

I'd bring over some of the NH/SS fans' arguments, but I wouldn't want to waste ya'lls time with them

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

..^ Your' right Froot.
I bet they are saying, Your OPINION doesn matter, SS/NH still RULES, and something like that. As far as I can remmber they post some NS rant so long, that I was Frustrated/Confused what they are saying

[RyrineaHaruno]

Oh, and how DARE they compare Sakura to Bella!

Agreed, How dear he compare Bella to Sakura. Unlike Bella Sakura actually has development. I think that rant was Lulz worthy.