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[Hanabi]

poor ryo, having to guard their bags xD

 

wtf the water evaporated like that xD i can see how isami does his thing every summer

[Phantom_999]

So you saw the Sorina hint right?  

[Hanabi]

all i see is the glorious HMS Alina 

 

and an angel

[Phantom_999]

Well Okay then. But point is it's gonna be animated.

[Hanabi]

korean raw for 163 http://www.shencomic...rchives/1639877

 

wtf

the unthinkable happen, soma vs tsukasa is ON. i thought erina would step in but .. :0 tsukasa explains Azami's true aims (taking/closing down all restaurants in Japan that doesn't measure up to his standards)and soma goes all fired up to cook

 

cliffhanger~~~~~

 

i wonder how the mangaka is going to end this.. soma can't possibly win

Edited by Hanabi, 14 April 2016 - 01:52 PM.

[Phantom_999]

On the plus side, Hisako Fan service!!!!

[Phantom_999]

It's OUT!!!

 

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[harry4e]

We haven't had a full strip foodgasm like this for a while and to think it was just from the smell.

 

I am seriously doubting the mangaka's ability to come up with a compelling reason for this arc. The reason the first seat gave was one the dumbest plot devices I've seen. They want to shut down all the restaurants they feel are not up to their standard? Putting hundred of thousands out of business? leaving Millions of people with no choice for takeout? This is so dumb, I can't believe, the mangaka, the editor the artest and his entire crew did not nix this idiotic reason.

[Codus N]

Even the final villain of Yakitate! made more sense than this.

Honestly, I'm surprised it took people this long to realize the author doesn't have what it takes to actually write a decent story. There are much better mangas on cooking, and in fact I don't even think the author understands cooking at all. He only understands it on the surface.

You ask a chef what it means to cook, and you'll find how many of them have their own unique viewpoints. Heck, I'm sure your mom or granny has something to say what it means to cook. From what I've seen and read about cooking and its relation to people is that cooking can tell a lot about a person. Instead, the manga is filled with a bunch of one-dimensional jerkwads.

The manga's endgame is Soma discovering what it means to cook. But I have serious doubts the author can pull it off satisfyingly. Heck, even Akira's doesn't even get down to the core of what cooking means for him. The only one who's even remotely close to understanding what their cooking means for them is Megumi.

[Hanabi]

We haven't had a full strip foodgasm like this for a while and to think it was just from the smell.

 

I am seriously doubting the mangaka's ability to come up with a compelling reason for this arc. The reason the first seat gave was one the dumbest plot devices I've seen. They want to shut down all the restaurants they feel are not up to their standard? Putting hundred of thousands out of business? leaving Millions of people with no choice for takeout? This is so dumb, I can't believe, the mangaka, the editor the artest and his entire crew did not nix this idiotic reason.

not they, only azami.

 

we only know azami harbor a grudge from his school days and blame the system for tainting his beloved saiba sempai..  and he don't believe in letting plebians taste good food (e.g. the food critics at erina's school fair store)

[Phantom_999]

@ Harry and Codus: Well then, taking your points into consideration shouldn't Soma tie or win rather than lose? cause the idea itself is pretty kitten poor as you two have said so why not make a satisfactory result cause if Soma loses then he will have to join Central, and not only would that go against his ideals he'll be joining the organization that plans to destroy his home. And while the Idea itself is not fascinating or or well thought out I think that is the point. the point is not to male an interesting villain but a petty extremist that represents the snobbery and arrogance gourmets could have, and also to establish what twisted Erina to become like she is beyond being spoiled and revered. So the reasons may not be good but unless we know for sure that Tsukuda-sensei is trying to make Azami more complez and more well intentioned extremist than he actually is trying to or able to portray like a certain someone *cough cough* Kishi *cough* we can't call him a bad writer. At least not yet. But anyway if you don't find it satisfactory (and I do agree with you to an extent) then there shouldn't be complaints if Soma wins or ties no? Yes it would preak the suspension of disbelief that the story is building up but I feel that 's better than breaking Soma's ideals and ambitions just for the sake a shock swerve, because again as you two have stated the consequences and the message that is being supported is very ludicrous.

Edited by Phantom_999, 16 April 2016 - 02:34 PM.

[RyohkiFan]

I actually don't find this little arc bad, I am actually enjoying it and interested on what's gonna happen. Bad writing...I see your point but I don't necessarily agree that it's completely bad as I feel there might be reason for it, I prefer to wait to see what happens.

[harry4e]

@ Harry and Codus: Well then, taking your points into consideration shouldn't Soma tie or win rather than lose? cause the idea itself is pretty kitten poor as you two have said so why not make a satisfactory result cause if Soma loses then he will have to join Central, and not only would that go against his ideals he'll be joining the organization that plans to destroy his home. And while the Idea itself is not fascinating or or well thought out I think that is the point. the point is not to male an interesting villain but a petty extremist that represents the snobbery and arrogance gourmets could have, and also to establish what twisted Erina to become like she is beyond being spoiled and revered. So the reasons may not be good but unless we know for sure that Tsukuda-sensei is trying to make Azami more complez and more well intentioned extremist than he actually is trying to or able to portray like a certain someone *cough cough* Kishi *cough* we can't call him a bad writer. At least not yet. But anyway if you don't find it satisfactory (and I do agree with you to an extent) then there shouldn't be complaints if Soma wins or ties no? Yes it would preak the suspension of disbelief that the story is building up but I feel that 's better than breaking Soma's ideals and ambitions just for the sake a shock swerve, because again as you two have stated the consequences and the message that is being supported is very ludicrous.

 

I'd actually say this plot device is almost as bad as Pain and Obito's reason for going to the dark side, putting everyone to sleep so they are happy in their fantasy world, I'd put in Kaguya's reason but we never were told why she did what she did, why did she eat the fruit? Why did she want to put everyone to sleep? we just don't know.

 

The view of Azami is one thing but the fact the majority of Elite 10 agreed is just stupid, this must be a Weekly Jump problem.

 

Your reasoning makes no sense, dispite Soumas views on the matter, raw talent is a important factor, Souma still can't beat his father, he lost in the finals, and he has to lose to the number one seat, because dispite the idiotic reason why he agreed with Azami, he still takes his cooking seriously, he has mastered his art and respects it. The fact just because your views are different means you will win does not always make sense, specially in a cooking manga, and the number one is a perfectionist, and doesn't appear to be an arrogant prick. Souma has to lose, because even if he wins, it would be using the skills he learnt from a restaurant that would actually be considered edible in the new regime, so it's a catch 22 in that sense.

 

I', going to speculate that it was Souma's fathers original view that restaurants they percieve as substandard should not exist, that's why him owning in a small diner is important and this could be why dispite leaving early, the headmaster went to him to help his grandaughter because he was making a living doing what he originally pervieved as a black mark on cooking.

Edited by harry4e, 16 April 2016 - 03:52 PM.

[Phantom_999]

My reasoning makes no sense, or  do you not get what I'm saying? Okay then, let's look at your perspective and work from there. You call Azami's characterization similar to Pain and Obito's, right? Okay then from the perspective of Naruto you are saying that it was better then that Pain won that fight with Naruto and extracted the Kurama leading to Naruto's death. OR, you are okay the fact that Obito has done travesties and committed mass murder for petty and selfish reasons but was rewarded in the end anyway with Naruto praising him as a "cool guy" for for used to wanting to be Hokage and him ending up together with Rin in death. Saying that Soma should lose is kind of like saying those things. While, Soma won't end up dead like Naruto because this is a cooking manga, the stakes here are not really different from that perspective cause as you  said it is a ridiculous idea for all restaurants except gourmet ones because that includes his own home, and Azami does not even have a good reason for doing all that destruction ot the economy and the livelihood of countless others. I repeat, that is like saying Obito deserves praise from the protagonist that he orphaned, and gets together with his love even though he did heinous and unforgivable things, not least of which is killing thousands of lives if not more digits for the sake of his petty tantrum.  Soma losing would get Azami part of what "he wants".

 

And even though Soma won't conform to Central's ideals Azami won't let him practice his own beliefs either by experimenting and coming up with his own method of cooking. Now while the idea is interesting to make a rescue arc for Soma, and focus on other characters, the problem is the same with Naruto that everyone WILL be complaining about in that the Main character is being taken away "too much"  to develop other characters. Soma is the main character, but his development will be stunted for the while as he's resisting the Central from within and having the other characters rescue him. Again, While the situation makes no sense if Soma "won", it's just as nonsensical from the villain's point of view because they have very stupidly thought out reasons and next to no explanation for their actions or their reasons are not even believable, so are you saying you want Soma to fail and have Azami be rewarded for his piss poor characterization and thought process or are you saying you want Soma to win, which is nonsensical but at least fits the typical narrative that the Protagonist is supposed to over come a huge oncoming threat to protect what he cherishes which is satisfying from a  story telling point of view? If you are gonna criticize and be negative about either side of the coin, I honestly don't know what to tell you. Oh and another thing, Just because Tsukasa is not a "kitten", that is not the point. What is, are the stakes and potential consequences of the match, so him winning has nothing to do with the basis is that he's not ( and I quote you) an "arrogant prick". 

 

Idealistically if you ask me a tie would be best because neither side would win but neither would lose but that's just me.

Edited by Phantom_999, 16 April 2016 - 04:30 PM.

[harry4e]

My reasoning makes no sense, or  do you not get what I'm saying? Okay then, let's look at your perspective and work from there. You call Azami's characterization similar to Pain and Obito's, right? Okay then from the perspective of Naruto you are saying that it was better then that Pain won that fight with Naruto and extracted the Kurama leading to Naruto's death. OR, you are okay the fact that Obito has done travesties and committed mass murder for petty and selfish reasons but was rewarded in the end anyway with Naruto praising him as a "cool guy" for for used to wanting to be Hokage and him ending up together with Rin in death. Saying that Soma should lose is kind of like saying those things. While, Soma won't end up dead like Naruto because this is a cooking manga, the stakes here are not really different from that perspective cause as you  said it is a ridiculous idea for all restaurants except gourmet ones because that includes his own home, and Azami does not even have a good reason for doing all that destruction ot the economy and the livelihood of countless others. I repeat, that is like saying Obito deserves praise from the protagonist that he orphaned, and gets together with his love even though he did heinous and unforgivable things, not least of which is killing thousands of lives if not more digits for the sake of his petty tantrum.  Soma losing would get Azami part of what "he wants".

 

And even though Soma won't conform to Central's ideals Azami won't let him practice his own beliefs either by experimenting and coming up with his own method of cooking. Now while the idea is interesting to make a rescue arc for Soma, and focus on other characters, the problem is the same with Naruto that everyone WILL be complaining about in that the Main character is being taken away "too much"  to develop other characters. Soma is the main character, but his development will be stunted for the while as he's resisting the Central from within and having the other characters rescue him. Again, While the situation makes no sense if Soma "won", it's just as nonsensical from the villain's point of view because they have very stupidly thought out reasons and next to no explanation for their actions or their reasons are not even believable, so are you saying you want Soma to fail and have Azami be rewarded for his piss poor characterization and thought process or are you saying you want Soma to win, which is nonsensical but at least fits the typical narrative that the Protagonist is supposed to over come a huge oncoming threat to protect what he cherishes which is satisfying from a  story telling point of view? If you are gonna criticize and be negative about either side of the coin, I honestly don't know what to tell you. Oh and another thing, Just because Tsukasa is not a "kitten", that is not the point. What is, are the stakes and potential consequences of the match, so him winning has nothing to do with the basis is that he's not ( and I quote you) an "arrogant prick". 

 

Idealistically if you ask me a tie would be best because neither side would win but neither would lose but that's just me.

 

Your first paragraph is not even close to what i'm saying, I compared the reasons Azami's gave to the Elite 10 to convince them as dumb as Obito and Pain thinking that putting everyone under a genjutsu was a good way to achieve world piece, I am not comparing them in any other way, just how dumb the reasoning behind their actions are.

 

Souma losing may not lead to his doom, because he is the son of Azami's beloved sempai, infact it could be a plot device to show us about Jouchirou's past, it could be a method of showing Souma that his father was at one point not much better than Azami is right now in his ideals, it may even be it was Jouchirou who originally thought this and Azami who as some kind of crazed obsessed fanboy went about proving his sempai correct. It could be a plot device to get Souma to change people from the inside, because at the end of the day this is a Jump manga and in Jump manga's the actions of the antagonists are evil, but the person behind the actions are often written as well meaning, misunderstood individuals who got lost somewhere.

 

That's beside the point, I don't understand why you seem to think just because I find the reason for Azami (and Elite 10) to be rediculous, I would agree that they would lose? At the end of the day as dumb as the reason is, the mangaka is writing it in a way that those working towards the goal are fully motivated to achieve that goal. the reason could be as dumb as them doing this because they want to destroy Ramen from the menu but as long as the charactors are fully behind the cause the reason does not matter. The number one seat has stated he is going all out, and taking the battle seriously, Souma dispite his extra motivation has not yet shown the same level to beat the number one seat, and him winning would make no sense. 

 

Pains and Obito's final plan was stupid, but they went about it properly with the right people backing them up, it's the same here, Azami's reasons are stupid (if those are the actual reasons) but he's gone about it the right way, employing the right people, so I see no reason for Souma to win. The talent of the individuals is not what's under fire but the reason given in this weeks chapter.

 

Besides I'm not even sure Souma agreed to the terms, he agreed to the battle but he flat out refused the terms, so the mangaka has left himself a potential loophole there to get Souma out of joining as a stooge which may come into action if Souma impresses the number one seat enough to want to see where Souma can go on his own.

 

Personally I don't see anything wrong with Souma losing, but I do want to see his do well enough to make the Number one seat take notice. Souma winning doesn't really change the situation the school is in, because he is still outnumbered by those who still agree with Azami. So putting Souma at the top would just put him in a similar situation as if he loses (if he agreed to the terms) he would just have more power and paperwork but would still be in the same place, inside the council.

[trang95]

I just read the newest chapter...

There was so much BS going on with Azami's plan, that I've reached my limit when it comes to the concept of "suspension of disbelief." And it doesn't matter how Tsukada is going to characterize Azami later on: He remains one of the stupidest villains I've ever seen in any Shounen Jump release. His one-dimensional attitude towards refined cooking pales to the likes of Shinomiya (who is so far my favorite villain of the story).

And no offense, but I don't see Soma winning.

[Phantom_999]

 

Your first paragraph is not even close to what i'm saying, I compared the reasons Azami's gave to the Elite 10 to convince them as dumb as Obito and Pain thinking that putting everyone under a genjutsu was a good way to achieve world piece, I am not comparing them in any other way, just how dumb the reasoning behind their actions are.

 

Souma losing may not lead to his doom, because he is the son of Azami's beloved sempai, infact it could be a plot device to show us about Jouchirou's past, it could be a method of showing Souma that his father was at one point not much better than Azami is right now in his ideals, it may even be it was Jouchirou who originally thought this and Azami who as some kind of crazed obsessed fanboy went about proving his sempai correct. It could be a plot device to get Souma to change people from the inside, because at the end of the day this is a Jump manga and in Jump manga's the actions of the antagonists are evil, but the person behind the actions are often written as well meaning, misunderstood individuals who got lost somewhere.

 

That's beside the point, I don't understand why you seem to think just because I find the reason for Azami (and Elite 10) to be rediculous, I would agree that they would lose? At the end of the day as dumb as the reason is, the mangaka is writing it in a way that those working towards the goal are fully motivated to achieve that goal. the reason could be as dumb as them doing this because they want to destroy Ramen from the menu but as long as the charactors are fully behind the cause the reason does not matter. The number one seat has stated he is going all out, and taking the battle seriously, Souma dispite his extra motivation has not yet shown the same level to beat the number one seat, and him winning would make no sense. 

 

Pains and Obito's final plan was stupid, but they went about it properly with the right people backing them up, it's the same here, Azami's reasons are stupid (if those are the actual reasons) but he's gone about it the right way, employing the right people, so I see no reason for Souma to win. The talent of the individuals is not what's under fire but the reason given in this weeks chapter.

 

Besides I'm not even sure Souma agreed to the terms, he agreed to the battle but he flat out refused the terms, so the mangaka has left himself a potential loophole there to get Souma out of joining as a stooge which may come into action if Souma impresses the number one seat enough to want to see where Souma can go on his own.

 

Personally I don't see anything wrong with Souma losing, but I do want to see his do well enough to make the Number one seat take notice. Souma winning doesn't really change the situation the school is in, because he is still outnumbered by those who still agree with Azami. So putting Souma at the top would just put him in a similar situation as if he loses (if he agreed to the terms) he would just have more power and paperwork but would still be in the same place, inside the council.

 

Alright, to each our own then we'll just see how it plays out. What I'm trying to say though is that if you believe soma losing would make the story more interesting then that's fine, but if he DOES lose then there is no reason for you to complain, about the situation like Azami' being a poor written villain like Obito and central ideals being kittens because of course they are. The direction of the story for the moment is not "logically satisfying" from either side, so what I mean to say is, just take your pick and you can criticize the plot holes but shouldn't act like you won't be satisfied with either out come, because that is quite logically fallacious if you ask me. 

 

I just read the newest chapter...

There was so much BS going on with Azami's plan, that I've reached my limit when it comes to the concept of "suspension of disbelief." And it doesn't matter how Tsukada is going to characterize Azami later on: He remains one of the stupidest villains I've ever seen in any Shounen Jump release. His one-dimensional attitude towards refined cooking pales to the likes of Shinomiya (who is so far my favorite villain of the story).

And no offense, but I don't see Soma winning.

 

Well again, My take on it is "that is the point". Azaami is not supposed to be portrayed as a complex or interesting villain, he is a self-centred,  ecgotistical, and petty elitist with an ignorant and deluded vision of the culinary world and how the world works in general, which is triggered buy his narrow minded idolization of Joichiro. I could be wrong, but this may be deliberate on Tsukuda's part. Either way it''s not ruining my enjoyment of the series per say.

 

Soma not winning of course is to be expected because that would destroy the gradual build up of the story if he won, although looking at Shonen manga story patterns there is the slim chance of him winning, and it's fine to be upset about it, I'm just saying we could and probably should expect it even if it;'s not desirable by many.

Edited by Phantom_999, 20 April 2016 - 01:15 AM.

[Phantom_999]

Well it's out. too bad we have to wait 2 weeks to see  the results or half of the results.

 

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I'm personally hoping for a tie, but if if Soma loses then that's fine but probably won't join central though he will understand at least how far he has to go. If he wins then I'm good with that though him becoming first seat so early would leave no excitement for the future so there would probably have to be other challenges and story arcs to the school, plus as a first seat While Azami in power would not be good for him anyway as Azami could remove him at his leisure. Well anyway I'm not agains Soma losing, What I'm against is him being forcibly conformed to central. I presonally would not find that interesting in the least because Azami would just be using him in his deluded fantasy of vicariously appeasing to Joichiro, And I don't think that the others rescuing Soma from Central is ideal either not because I don't want them developed more but because that would pull soma out of the picture for a while and I recall everyone here bemoaning how Naruto dissappeared from the panel for the last half f the manga to focus on Sasuke. Well same problem here though these characters are infinitely more likeable than Sasuke.

 

That aside, as I expected. Erina is starting to change her attitude towards Soma which I'm pleased by and she's not thinking about him being her idol's son , but at least is acknowledging him more without any snobbery and quipping about their different social classes anymore. As I said the reveal was not to have her suddenly like him cause that is shallow, but for he to drop her walls and not turn her nose down on him anymore which is a much needed improvement on there relationship because before she found out she may have mellowed a bit before soma but the fundamental problem between them hasn't gone away.  

Edited by Phantom_999, 22 April 2016 - 01:50 PM.

[Hanabi]

shino-devil smiled.. pigs gonna fly

[Phantom_999]

Oh, so true.