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[Chucky-kun]

Sai: lately when I look at naruto, I've been able to feel it, his sadness... And when he thinks of sasuke there's a heat coming from his gut and I know that's anger.
Sakura: I will talk to naruto. The fool's in love with me... So let me do it. I'm the one who's caused him the most pain. I've done nothing but mistakes. I don't want to make another one.

@luffyq1 if you hadn't been so lazy yourself and actually bothered to look.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

However, I have trouble believing that Naruto would remain completely unphased if Sakura chose Sasuke after he turned good again. I really cannot see him grinning genuinely as his intial reaction. I always picture him having a pained facial expression while Sakura wasn't looking. He frequently displayed this during the Hospital scene and the PoaL and much later, 459 when Sakura started crying over what Karui said (In all of this instances, Sakura didn't see). Naruto is very selfless in character. He's proved it far too many times to count. But he's still human. No one is gonna be completely happy if the person they love is in love with someone else. Of course Naruto is gonna be sad over SS. Just because he's not happy with SS doesn't make him selfish. What matter is what he does afterwards. And what does he do? He ignores his own feelings of pain and discomfort because Sakura's happiness matters more to him. It doesn't make his love selfish. Quite the opposite. That's exactly why I sympathetize with Naruto so terribly and one of the reasons why he's my favorite character. You know it hurts him but he never lets it control him. Not when it comes to Sakura. That's what also made me a NS shipper. :lub:

And as for the whole jealousy thing, Naruto is not a jealous individual in love. If his feelings were shallow and insincere, yes (Early Part 1 comes to mind and how he expressed annoyance over Sakura's crush on Sasuke more than once). When his feelings become deep and turn into love, hell no (Late Part 1 to now). At the most, maybe envy (more mild version of jealousy) and some sadness. But jealousy? Wrong character.

I do agree with both of these. Personally, for all of Naruto's bluster, he doesn't have the confidence that he often projects, especially regarding Sakura. Not to say he's totally lacking in self-confidence, he does, but certain things affect him more deeply than others, and that's when he covers it up with his goofy attitude.


That's why, and I've seen other people say this before, the ball is in Sakura's hands now. We know that Naruto still loves her, but it's Sakura's feelings we aren't sure of. Does she still love Sasuke despite all he's done? She feels something towards Naruto, but what is it exactly? It's more than friendship, it could even be love. Until she comes out and says it without a doubt, I'm still unsure what she's feeling.

Regarding Sakura's "confession," a lot would probably say that it's her admission of love, but remember, Sakura was planning to try to get Naruto to back off from pursuing Sasuke and trying to take the burden she unwittingly gave to Naruto, and she resorted to manipulating Naruto's feelings for her to do so.
That's why I disregard that as an absolute confession of Sakura's love towards Naruto, it wasn't sincere all the way. However, it IS a sign that she feels something beyond friendship towards Naruto.

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 04 January 2013 - 04:50 AM.

[KnS]

I do agree with both of these. Personally, for all of Naruto's bluster, he doesn't have the confidence that he often projects, especially regarding Sakura. Not to say he's totally lacking in self-confidence, he does, but certain things affect him more deeply than others, and that's when he covers it up with his goofy attitude.


That's why, and I've seen other people say this before, the ball is in Sakura's hands now. We know that Naruto still loves her, but it's Sakura's feelings we aren't sure of. Does she still love Sasuke despite all he's done? She feels something towards Naruto, but what is it exactly? It's more than friendship, it could even be love. Until she comes out and says it without a doubt, I'm still unsure what she's feeling.

Regarding Sakura's "confession," a lot would probably say that it's her admission of love, but remember, Sakura was planning to try to get Naruto to back off from pursuing Sasuke and trying to take the burden she unwittingly gave to Naruto, and she resorted to manipulating Naruto's feelings for her to do so.
That's why I disregard that as an absolute confession of Sakura's love towards Naruto, it wasn't sincere all the way. However, it IS a sign that she feels something beyond friendship towards Naruto.

Well said and I agree, with the bolded parts especially.

[luffyq1]

@luffyq1 if you hadn't been so lazy yourself and actually bothered to look.

How about you actually present that argument in the first place instead of just saying "459" as a basis for your argument. Now, let me counter your quote.

Sai: lately when I look at naruto, I've been able to feel it, his sadness... And when he thinks of sasuke there's a heat coming from his gut and I know that's anger.

Now this is clearly said based on Sai's recent observation of Naruto. This is exactly what he said before he made that statement that you quoted:

Said - "Sakura and I... Everyone relies on Naruto too much.

Sakura: I will talk to naruto. The fool's in love with me... So let me do it. I'm the one who's caused him the most pain. I've done nothing but mistakes. I don't want to make another one

Your quotes from Sai & Sakura when read together come off really coherent. Sakura said that because of the guilt that she has caused when Sai gives her that speech, and also because of what Shikamaru.

[dragonflyx11]

still alot of anger in this topic lol. luffy you are not disagreeing with people your just throwing there points back in there face. ugh now i feel pathetic, i hate calling people out but i felt i had to.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Regarding Sakura's "confession," a lot would probably say that it's her admission of love, but remember, Sakura was planning to try to get Naruto to back off from pursuing Sasuke and trying to take the burden she unwittingly gave to Naruto, and she resorted to manipulating Naruto's feelings for her to do so.
That's why I disregard that as an absolute confession of Sakura's love towards Naruto, it wasn't sincere all the way. However, it IS a sign that she feels something beyond friendship towards Naruto.

This. While I do enjoy reading/watching Sakura's "confession" to Naruto, ever since 540, I NEVER thought she actually meant her words. Her confession was far from perfect and it had an ulterior motive to it. NS becoming canon during that cirumstancial situation is something I'm glad didn't happen. I wouldn't be satisified with it if it did (And given Naruto's reaction, he wasn't satisfied with it either). I hate to say it like that but it's true that Sakura was manipulating his feelings for her. She had the best of intentions but that was the sad truth of the matter. However, I bear no ill will towards her unlike a large percentage of the fandom because I knew the situation she was in. She was in a bad place and Sai guilt-tripped her. I don't understand why the NH fans/Sakura haters can't sympathatize with her. She can't be that unforgivable, can she? But I do feel bad for Naruto. Sakura's confession wasn't true in the realized sense and it's hard to see Naruto so hurt and angry at her for doing this to him.

I've stated this many times but Sakura doesn't realize nor understand her feelings for Naruto. Wanna wonder why her confession didn't seem completely sincere? There's the reason right there. I'm eternally frustrated that not many people in the fandom realize this and that Naruto himself doesn't either. Also why I hate watching Sakura's confession on YT and end up forced to read comments saying "Sakura's such a liar, she loves Sasuke. How can she hurt Naruto that badly?" or "Sakura's always hitting Naruto, never really showing an interest in him. I'm not really surprised Naruto didn't believe her. Hinata's liked him from the beginning, no matter what. Now that's true love."

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 04 January 2013 - 05:27 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

Sai: lately when I look at naruto, I've been able to feel it, his sadness... And when he thinks of sasuke there's a heat coming from his gut and I know that's anger.

Now this is clearly said based on Sai's recent observation of Naruto. This is exactly what he said before he made that statement that you quoted:

Said - "Sakura and I... Everyone relies on Naruto too much.

Sakura: I will talk to naruto. The fool's in love with me... So let me do it. I'm the one who's caused him the most pain. I've done nothing but mistakes. I don't want to make another one

Your quotes from Sai & Sakura when read together come off really coherent. Sakura said that because of the guilt that she has caused when Sai gives her that speech, and also because of what Shikamaru.

First off, we see that naruto is angry at Sasuke, why? Because Sasuke left the village and abandoned all his bonds. We also see that naruto is sad. Now why is he sad? Is it because everyone relies on him too much? I would think not.

Basically, your argument was that naruto was completely fine with Sakura loving Sasuke. But these few quotes say otherwise. Sakura clearly says she has caused naruto pain and then in 469 she does the confession. The confession was meant to stop naruto's pain and this pain stemmed from Sakura loving Sasuke, ergo naruto feels pain in sakura's feelings for Sasuke.

[Greed-Sama]

Great, you've showed proof that Naruto still has feelings for Sakura. It's not funny to joke about being in love with someone when you're really not. That's why he hates people who lie to themselves. You've showed that he doesn't like jokes, not that he's uncomfortable with the idea of Sakura loving Sasuke, but uncomfortable of the fact that she's playing with Naruto's heart. It's not funny.

469

I'm sure you've read the chapter more than enough times. I'm not here to defend NS because the pairing hasn't gone anywhere in a very long time. However, Sakura as a character isn't selfish enough to manipulate Naruto's feelings so callously like that.

Naruto's sigh happens after she talks about Sasuke. But he lets her say her piece about his character and what he's done and so forth. Then when she says she's flipped, he calls her out as a liar. I think the implication is Naruto doesn't appreciate her just throwing away her love for Sasuke like that - pretending it doesn't exist. That's the issue. I think her feelings for Naruto are genuine. Romantic or not is a different manner entirely.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

I've stated this many times but Sakura doesn't realize nor understand her feelings for Naruto. Wanna wonder why her confession didn't seem completely sincere? There's the reason right there. I'm enternally frustrated that not many people in the fandom realize this and that Naruto himself doesn't either. Also why I hate watching Sakura's confession on YT and end up forced to read comments saying "Sakura's such a liar, she loves Sasuke. How can she hurt Naruto that badly?" or "Sakura's always hitting Naruto, never really showing an interest in him. I'm not really surprised Naruto didn't believe her. Hinata's liked him from the beginning, no matter what. Now that's true love."

Because a lot of people are stuck with Tsundere-Sakura from the VERY beginning of Part 1.

Heck, that 'she hits Naruto' argument rings hollow when she stopped hitting him after either the Wave Arc or the Chunin Exams arc. The only major time she hit him in Part II was when Naruto proclaimed he had a new perverted technique to show Konohamaru after returning from his 2.5 year training trip.

Also, while NS did have a lot of development, this chapter, along with previous chapters, has effectively blunted the NS momentum. Can't deny that the recent Hinata development HAS given ammunition to the NH crowd.

[dragonflyx11]

Because a lot of people are stuck with Tsundere-Sakura from the VERY beginning of Part 1.

Heck, that 'she hits Naruto' argument rings hollow when she stopped hitting him after either the Wave Arc or the Chunin Exams arc. The only major time she hit him in Part II was when Naruto proclaimed he had a new perverted technique to show Konohamaru after returning from his 2.5 year training trip.

Also, while NS did have a lot of development, this chapter, along with previous chapters, has effectively blunted the NS momentum. Can't deny that the recent Hinata development HAS given ammunition to the NH crowd.

that is how it always seems to be though, we get a nice long string of development and then we hit a wall, but ive stuck around this long so im not about to wave the white flag anytime soon.

also the whole hitting him thing HAS ALWAYS ringed hollow, if people would take the time to try an understand manga and anime culture in general they would know things like that are for comedic relief and are never considered serious.

Edited by dragonflyx11, 04 January 2013 - 05:57 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

Back to 615, that expression obito makes on page 10 ( mangareader after hinata says that's the real way to kill your friends). What kind of expression is it?

[Arachnia]

Back to 615, that expression obito makes on page 10 ( mangareader after hinata says that's the real way to kill your friends). What kind of expression is it?

i would say concerned and waiting on naruto choice

at least thats also what madara is thinking

Edited by Arachnia, 04 January 2013 - 06:12 AM.

[luffyq1]

First off, we see that naruto is angry at Sasuke, why? Because Sasuke left the village and abandoned all his bonds. We also see that naruto is sad. Now why is he sad? Is it because everyone relies on him too much? I would think not.

Even though I've clearly presented why Naruto is sad, you've deny that it isn't because of people relying on him too much. Alright, if that doesn't convince you, then what about chapter 459? The very same chapter that has Sai mention on how much people rely on Naruto, and also the fact that in that chapter shows Naruto being sad because of Sasuke. No. One. Else. Chapter 467 also still shows that he's in the sad state that Sai mentioned because of Sasuke. No. One. Else. For you to think it's something else entirely is completely mindboggling.

Basically, your argument was that naruto was completely fine with Sakura loving Sasuke. But these few quotes say otherwise. Sakura clearly says she has caused naruto pain and then in 469 she does the confession. The confession was meant to stop naruto's pain and this pain stemmed from Sakura loving Sasuke, ergo naruto feels pain in sakura's feelings for Sasuke.

Yes, chapter 469 clearly shows that Naruto is hurt during the flashback of that chapter. But, that was years ago, and chapter 474 clearly contradicts the idea that Naruto is hurt of the idea of Sakura being in love with Sasuke. As I've said before, he has made peace with the fact that Sakura is in love with Sasuke. It doesn't hurt him anymore. He supports her happiness.

469

I'm sure you've read the chapter more than enough times. I'm not here to defend NS because the pairing hasn't gone anywhere in a very long time. However, Sakura as a character isn't selfish enough to manipulate Naruto's feelings so callously like that.

Naruto's sigh happens after she talks about Sasuke. But he lets her say her piece about his character and what he's done and so forth. Then when she says she's flipped, he calls her out as a liar. I think the implication is Naruto doesn't appreciate her just throwing away her love for Sasuke like that - pretending it doesn't exist. That's the issue. I think her feelings for Naruto are genuine. Romantic or not is a different manner entirely.

I understand that Sakura wasn't trying to be selfish or heartless. What she did was use Naruto's feelings for reasons that helped Naruto.
I acknowledge the fact that Sakura's intentions were good, but the way she went about it was simply downright harsh. It wasn't funny, as Naruto clearly states. It hurt him because she was playing with his heart. He clearly still has feelings for her. Again, let me restate before you go into rage mode on me, that I acknowledge the fact that Sakura had good intentions, it's just the way she went about it is what I disagree with.

Edited by luffyq1, 04 January 2013 - 06:21 AM.

[Greed-Sama]

I acknowledge the fact that Sakura's intentions were good, but the way she went about it was simply downright harsh. It wasn't funny, as Naruto clearly states. It hurt him because she was playing with his heart. He clearly still has feelings for her. Again, let me restate before you go into rage mode on me, that I acknowledge the fact that Sakura had good intentions, it's just the way she went about it is what I disagree with.

Rage mode? Dude, I don't care enough about this manga to get worked up over something like this. Honestly. I believe I was pretty cordial with you.

[luffyq1]

Rage mode? Dude, I don't care enough about this manga to get worked up over something like this. Honestly. I believe I was pretty cordial with you.

Sorry about that. I thought you would bite me in the ass for stating something that isn't positive for NS, as many others have done.

I apologize for lumping you in there.

[Chucky-kun]

Even though I've clearly presented why Naruto is sad, you've deny that it isn't because of people relying on him too much. Alright, if that doesn't convince you, then what about chapter 459? The very same chapter that has Sai mention on how much people rely on Naruto, and also the fact that in that chapter shows Naruto being sad because of Sasuke. No. One. Else. Chapter 467 also still shows that he's in the sad state that Sai mentioned because of Sasuke. No. One. Else. For you to think it's something else entirely is completely mindboggling.

Different interpretations.

Yes, chapter 469 clearly shows that Naruto is hurt during the flashback of that chapter. But, that was years ago, and chapter 474 clearly contradicts the idea that Naruto is hurt of the idea of Sakura being in love with Sasuke. As I've said before, he has made peace with the fact that Sakura is in love with Sasuke. It doesn't hurt him anymore. He supports her happiness.

A, it's only been about a week.
B, naruto knew that Sasuke had tried to kill Sakura in the reunion chapter, I hardly think that supporting their relationship means supporting sakura's happiness. Example of sakura's pained expression is 540.

[Greed-Sama]

Sorry about that. I thought you would bite me in the ass for stating something that isn't positive for NS, as many others have done.

I apologize for lumping you in there.

I believe reading this manga and deciding to ship whatever pairing as being the most likely or the de facto best all comes down to interpretation. There really isn't a correct answer. What I see isn't what other people see, and it's really hard to argue along those lines. I'm not going to get upset with you because you see something differently; others shouldn't as well. I've read most of your posts, and I don't think you're trolling like most seem to think you are. I think you bring valid points. I disagree with some of them, but I respect them nonetheless.

[Master Sage]

Even though I've clearly presented why Naruto is sad, you've deny that it isn't because of people relying on him too much. Alright, if that doesn't convince you, then what about chapter 459? The very same chapter that has Sai mention on how much people rely on Naruto, and also the fact that in that chapter shows Naruto being sad because of Sasuke. No. One. Else. Chapter 467 also still shows that he's in the sad state that Sai mentioned because of Sasuke. No. One. Else. For you to think it's something else entirely is completely mindboggling.



Yes, chapter 469 clearly shows that Naruto is hurt during the flashback of that chapter. But, that was years ago, and chapter 474 clearly contradicts the idea that Naruto is hurt of the idea of Sakura being in love with Sasuke. As I've said before, he has made peace with the fact that Sakura is in love with Sasuke. It doesn't hurt him anymore. He supports her happiness.



I understand that Sakura wasn't trying to be selfish or heartless. What she did was use Naruto's feelings for reasons that helped Naruto.
I acknowledge the fact that Sakura's intentions were good, but the way she went about it was simply downright harsh. It wasn't funny, as Naruto clearly states. It hurt him because she was playing with his heart. He clearly still has feelings for her. Again, let me restate before you go into rage mode on me, that I acknowledge the fact that Sakura had good intentions, it's just the way she went about it is what I disagree with.

Finally someone who thinks the same as me. QFT bro QFT.

[luffyq1]

Finally someone who thinks the same as me. QFT bro QFT.

Thank you. You've put my mind at ease at knowing the fact that I'm not alone in this.

luv your gif by the way lol.

Edited by luffyq1, 04 January 2013 - 07:13 AM.

[Don-kun]

I believe reading this manga and deciding to ship whatever pairing as being the most likely or the de facto best all comes down to interpretation. There really isn't a correct answer. What I see isn't what other people see, and it's really hard to argue along those lines. I'm not going to get upset with you because you see something differently; others shouldn't as well. I've read most of your posts, and I don't think you're trolling like most seem to think you are. I think you bring valid points. I disagree with some of them, but I respect them nonetheless.

My point isn't that he doesn't have great point because all the thing he talk about I went over them many times, the problem relies here, narusaku.com this is a forum for people who loves NaruSaku and want to talk about them becoming a pairing not why they should not be a pairing, if I do pay him any attention and try to go against his negative view, I'm pretty confidence that I still present him NS in a positive way, but what answer will I surely get from him, logic does not count, you're in denial or I don't understand this fandom plus his major problem is that he constantly insults the fandom. Maybe you haven't seeing it here but I seeing it before, he has a negative opinion about Sakura and he doesn't give a s**t about NS.

While he makes good point not even if he ignore positive stuff or hints, not every user here like to be reminded about NS downside because there are also good stuff about them we try to balance with the negative and try to look on thing a brighter way, but this guy focus you should give up NS will not happen, honestly I don't think this is the right place for that kind of mentality, your opinion is your opinion, you don't need to stress yourself trying to force other to see things the way you do, every fan is biased in some way and that is not excluding him.
The absolute truth will only be known when the Manga is over, in the mean time let others believe what the want to believe, you are no one to be throwing their arguments back at them.

Edited by Don-kun, 04 January 2013 - 07:26 AM.