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[VanitasDS76491]

Uchiha is the root of all problem. Bad news when they get all the love from the author / writer.

Yes and their not interesting in the slightest. You'd think they'd get blacklisted after all the kitten madara, obito, Itachi pulled but somehow naruto probably covered all that up like he would do to protect sasuke.

[Phantom_999]

And by the way I would like to point out a HUGE contradiction with the Uchiha wanking too, now that I brought up Fugaku and Mikoto.Recall how Tobirama said the Uchiha love too much and can't control their emotions when losing their loved ones too well? Well Then WHY are Fugaku and Mikoto so calm about their entire clan being slaughtered AND Itachi betraying them? IF they "love too much" that they flip their lids at losing their loved ones, you would think they wouldn't handle betrayal too well either. Kishi couldn't even keep that detail consistent  so again why is this even a concept besides fapping to the "hawtness" of the Uchihas?

[TheFirstEvil100]

And by the way I would like to point out a HUGE contradiction with the Uchiha wanking too, now that I brought up Fugaku and Mikoto.Recall how Tobirama said the Uchiha love too much and can't control their emotions when losing their loved ones too well? Well Then WHY are Fugaku and Mikoto so calm about their entire clan being slaughtered AND Itachi betraying them? IF they "love too much" that they flip their lids at losing their loved ones, you would think they wouldn't handle betrayal too well either. Kishi couldn't even keep that detail consistent  so again why is this even a concept besides fapping to the "hawtness" of the Uchihas?

You have to remember that this is Kishi and he just loved the Uchiha clan so much but that point in the story before Sasuke meet up with the Kage many fans hated the Uchiha and saw them all as nothing more than power hungry monsters. Seeing this most likely pissed Kishi off that people hated the best Clan to ever be in Naruto, so what did he do make up some BS that they loved to much while in his head doing this thinking this I bet.

 

Kishi's mind: "There we go now people have to love my lovely Uchiha clan, as they now why they do bad things, cause they love to much."

 

This even goes onto Sasuke as well as many knew the most logic thing was Sasuke dies in the end cause of all the bad that he did once again Kishi saw this and had a fit that his best boy toy was getting the stick.

 

Kishi Mind on Sasuke and how to keep him alive: "Damn what can I do I need to think of a way that Sasuke could leave, wait I know I'll add in that Naruto and Sasuke are both reincarnations of the Sage's sons who have fought and killed each other over and over again, mainly Sasuke reincarnations, so if I do this I can have Naruto (Who I don't care for anymore as my love is in the Uchiha clan and how to make them so damn great and sexy all woman should love them) say he will stop this, oh Kishi you are so smart people will love this, and if not kitten them I want my lovely Sasuke to live."

[BlueStarSaber]

check out this video with regards to sakura hate

[VanitasDS76491]

You have to remember that this is Kishi and he just loved the Uchiha clan so much but that point in the story before Sasuke meet up with the Kage many fans hated the Uchiha and saw them all as nothing more than power hungry monsters. Seeing this most likely pissed Kishi off that people hated the best Clan to ever be in Naruto, so what did he do make up some BS that they loved to much while in his head doing this thinking this I bet.
 
Kishi's mind: "There we go now people have to love my lovely Uchiha clan, as they now why they do bad things, cause they love to much."
 
This even goes onto Sasuke as well as many knew the most logic thing was Sasuke dies in the end cause of all the bad that he did once again Kishi saw this and had a fit that his best boy toy was getting the stick.
 
Kishi Mind on Sasuke and how to keep him alive: "Damn what can I do I need to think of a way that Sasuke could leave, wait I know I'll add in that Naruto and Sasuke are both reincarnations of the Sage's sons who have fought and killed each other over and over again, mainly Sasuke reincarnations, so if I do this I can have Naruto (Who I don't care for anymore as my love is in the Uchiha clan and how to make them so damn great and sexy all woman should love them) say he will stop this, oh Kishi you are so smart people will love this, and if not kitten them I want my lovely Sasuke to live."

Watchmojo just post a worse couples in anime and guess who placed 4th and it's not narusaku it's only canon pairings and Goku and chi-chi placed 2nd.

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Danzo is the second coming of hitler and he's not the representation of konoha.
Genociding uchiha is not the right answer either.

[totherpage95]

check out this video with regards to sakura hate

The counter-arguments that I have though I haven't watched all of it are that naruto fans had a heads up from the beginning of part 1 that the girls of that time were "more concerned with their looks than training". And during the pain fight Sakura did contribute in ways that didn't involve fighting or jumping in to save naruto if you follow the story and she does fight to protect the village from one of pain's summonings. And she had not finished storing the energy to use strength of a hundred seals in the pain arc

[VanitasDS76491]

Danzo is the second coming of hitler and he's not the representation of konoha.
Genociding uchiha is not the right answer either.

 
Agreed and the Uchiha were the third coming of Hitler or they would start the age of apocalypse including sasuke and his revolution.
 

The counter-arguments that I have though I haven't watched all of it are that naruto fans had a heads up from the beginning of part 1 that the girls of that time were "more concerned with their looks than training". And during the pain fight Sakura did contribute in ways that didn't involve fighting or jumping in to save naruto if you follow the story and she does fight to protect the village from one of pain's summonings. And she had not finished storing the energy to use strength of a hundred seals in the pain arc

Ya I agreed and anime balls deep even a video on why naruto never truly loves Sakura and it's bad since they go off kishi bull kitten from his interviews.

[Nostradamus]

Danzo is the second coming of hitler and he's not the representation of konoha.
Genociding uchiha is not the right answer either.

I know I'm going to sound like an a-hole on this one, but considering that the Uchiha clan is a clan of morons that can't handle emotion or more accurately the loss of someone or something, so the instant that happens they go berserk and start killing everyone in their way because they need to "end the pain of life" by killing or enslaving everyone in their path.

Was Danzo really wrong and deciding to exterminate them? I think not.

They have a problem and they need to go away. And trying to be peaceful with them, doesn't work.

[VanitasDS76491]

I know I'm going to sound like an a-hole on this one, but considering that the Uchiha clan is a clan of morons that can't handle emotion or more accurately the loss of someone or something, so the instant that happens they go berserk and start killing everyone in their way because they need to "end the pain of life" by killing or enslaving everyone in their path.
Was Danzo really wrong and deciding to exterminate them? I think not.
They have a problem and they need to go away. And trying to be peaceful with them, doesn't work.

No that was the one thing Danzo did right aside from ordering a hit on sasuke. But everything he is responsible for like kabuto, Nagato shisui. That was an instance where the needs of the many out weighted the needs of the few, something naruto never learned.

Edited by VanitasDS76491, 27 May 2017 - 06:10 PM.

[sushi.]

I know I'm going to sound like an a-hole on this one, but considering that the Uchiha clan is a clan of morons that can't handle emotion or more accurately the loss of someone or something, so the instant that happens they go berserk and start killing everyone in their way because they need to "end the pain of life" by killing or enslaving everyone in their path.

Was Danzo really wrong and deciding to exterminate them? I think not.

They have a problem and they need to go away. And trying to be peaceful with them, doesn't work.

I hope you won't think like that about irl people.

 

That wasn't why they were killed anyway. It was because of the coup d'état, which they wouldn't have planned without Tobirama's treatment of them. Lesson is if you treat your friends like enemies they eventually become exactly that.

[VanitasDS76491]

I hope you won't think like that about irl people.
 
That wasn't why they were killed anyway. It was because of the coup d'état, which they wouldn't have planned without Tobirama's treatment of them. Lesson is if you treat your friends like enemies they eventually become exactly that.

Somehow I see couple d' etat was unavoidable and nothing tobirama did would stopped them. And even if sasuke knew about it, it would change nothing, if anything sasuke would have joined his father's side and Itachi would have killed him.

[Bail o' Lies]

I know I'm going to sound like an a-hole on this one, but considering that the Uchiha clan is a clan of morons that can't handle emotion or more accurately the loss of someone or something, so the instant that happens they go berserk and start killing everyone in their way because they need to "end the pain of life" by killing or enslaving everyone in their path.

Was Danzo really wrong and deciding to exterminate them? I think not.

They have a problem and they need to go away. And trying to be peaceful with them, doesn't work.

I just want to point out that the Uchiha clan were about to do the same thing that Kaguya clan (those bone guys) attempted to do around the same time in the mist village. Also remember at that time it was known as the Blood Mist village-so just from its nickname alone is more of justification for rebelling-, and yet the Kaguya clan was shown as nothing more then a bunch of blood thirsty brutes that were foolish to think they could ever try to stand up to a great village alone. But because the Uchiha have sexy boy toys and the Leaf village decided to kill them all before they could enact their coup after repeated attempts at negotiations failed; their deaths were seen tragic, cruel, and completely undeserved for such a saintly clan. Double standards.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 28 May 2017 - 03:05 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

I hope you won't think like that about irl people.

 

That wasn't why they were killed anyway. It was because of the coup d'état, which they wouldn't have planned without Tobirama's treatment of them. Lesson is if you treat your friends like enemies they eventually become exactly that.

Seems to be that the Uchiha were all scumbags in the first place who also didn't care about human lives. What Danzo did was horrible, but the Uchiha weren't exactly innocent either.

Also seeing how the Uchiha became your enemy even if you gave them all the love in the world. I mean, if we are to believe the love Naruto had for Sasuke and Sakura as well....and about every girl in the entire series....then Sasuke became a bad guy simply because he is a horrible person deep down.

Sasuke doesn't care. For a clan that many in this series claimed to be "all about love and loving too much," Sasuke is extremely apathetic to feelings of love.

Then again, this series doesn't make sense and any and all reasons Kishimoto has is pointless and moot. You have a clan that thinks revenge is the ultimate form of love in the world. The Uchiha are incredibly emo and gothic clan. Dark hair, lots of black clothing, red is the only other color including eyes....I bet they have a Konoha Hot Topic as well.

Although, to be fair, in real life it is not much different. The world is full of opposites.
Those who preach tolerance are usually the most intolerant.....and many other examples.

So I wonder, if you really look at real life...how many people in this world who some think are "good people" are actually scumbags who talk big, but are evil at heart? Probbaly most politicians....and CEO businessman....and...*goes trailing off for 3 hours listing hundreds of types of people*

Edited by James S Cassidy, 28 May 2017 - 04:54 AM.

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@nostradamus
Wait are you justified a genocide?
What stop danzou to do the same thing against another clan like say Nara clan because they pose threat to his authority.

Remember that all this reasoning to kill uchiha clan is in order to handwash itachi in order to make him a saint which in turn only hurt the narration.

@bail
Kaguya clan is mad clan like Vikings on crack. Eventhough it doesn't make any sense that the clan doesn't disappear long time ago. Kishi just want to make a sob story for kimimaro.

[rocci]

The counter-arguments that I have though I haven't watched all of it are that naruto fans had a heads up from the beginning of part 1 that the girls of that time were "more concerned with their looks than training". And during the pain fight Sakura did contribute in ways that didn't involve fighting or jumping in to save naruto if you follow the story and she does fight to protect the village from one of pain's summonings. And she had not finished storing the energy to use strength of a hundred seals in the pain arc

I think sakura need to have more fight in part 2.
She only has one true fight in the entire part 2 and even then it's a team fight not solo fight.

[Shadow1275]

Seems to be that the Uchiha were all scumbags in the first place who also didn't care about human lives. What Danzo did was horrible, but the Uchiha weren't exactly innocent either.

Also seeing how the Uchiha became your enemy even if you gave them all the love in the world. I mean, if we are to believe the love Naruto had for Sasuke and Sakura as well....and about every girl in the entire series....then Sasuke became a bad guy simply because he is a horrible person deep down.

Sasuke doesn't care. For a clan that many in this series claimed to be "all about love and loving too much," Sasuke is extremely apathetic to feelings of love.

Then again, this series doesn't make sense and any and all reasons Kishimoto has is pointless and moot. You have a clan that thinks revenge is the ultimate form of love in the world. The Uchiha are incredibly emo and gothic clan. Dark hair, lots of black clothing, red is the only other color including eyes....I bet they have a Konoha Hot Topic as well.

Although, to be fair, in real life it is not much different. The world is full of opposites.
Those who preach tolerance are usually the most intolerant.....and many other examples.

So I wonder, if you really look at real life...how many people in this world who some think are "good people" are actually scumbags who talk big, but are evil at heart? Probbaly most politicians....and CEO businessman....and...*goes trailing off for 3 hours listing hundreds of types of people*

The Uchiha were just as corrupt as the other clans, they were willing to pull a Coup for Political Power bc they weren't allowed to be Hokage. Not that oppressing them is the morally correct thing to do.

 

Why not just start your own goddamned Village if that's the case? Then you would always be led by an Uchiha of your own clan. The only real argument against this is that they would have no tailed beasts, but WHO CARES. The Sharingan literally Controls Tailed Beasts.

 

As for Sasuke he sucked and was an ass but he had a point about one thing: The village system is kitten.

 

The Hyuga clan's slavery, the forced Jinchuriki implantation into "Willing" sacrifices, the constant warring between villages, the infighting between clans for political power, child soldiers.

 

It's garbage, and a rebellion was required. Even Naruto lampshaded this again and again in Part 1 where he promised to change things for the better. Pity none of that actually happened.

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@shadow
Kishi make uchiha massacre because he want to implement kurapika clan massacre into sasuke without any thought to make itachi a saint, because if he thought about that, he will not make it so full of plot hole like why should itachi need to traumatized sasuke to the point he become coma if he want him to be powerful?
So since itachi is a saint and hero, he need to either show that itachi doesn't truly do the massacre or justify the massacre. Eventhought in the end of the day it just eye collection to gain power.

Why danzou doesn't capture and breed them so they wouldn't run out of stock is beyond me.

[VanitasDS76491]

@shadow
Kishi make uchiha massacre because he want to implement kurapika clan massacre into sasuke without any thought to make itachi a saint, because if he thought about that, he will not make it so full of plot hole like why should itachi need to traumatized sasuke to the point he become coma if he want him to be powerful?
So since itachi is a saint and hero, he need to either show that itachi doesn't truly do the massacre or justify the massacre. Eventhought in the end of the day it just eye collection to gain power.
Why danzou doesn't capture and breed them so they wouldn't run out of stock is beyond me.

Because everyone in naruto is a kittening idiot written by a bigger idiot or more idiots.

[tricksie]

The thing about Uchihas and genocide is that not all Uchihas had the sharingan. So did the ones with unactivated powers turn corrupt? Was it a small minority of sharingan user in a larger crowd of normal Uchiha civilians? Or was it that most of them were sharingan users? We don't know - the manga doesn't tell us. Either way, wiping out the entire clan is still genocide. But if it's a primarily civilian clan with less than 10 percent using this insane superpower, then the massacre is especially cruel. It's a killing of innocents and villagers, not strictly military targets.

 

But indiscriminate killings were quite frequent early on (when the manga was still a little edgier) with the Blood mist stuff, Hanzo who killed off family members, and the example of the Whirpool village which was wiped out completely. Later in the manga, it was not so tied to actual history and brutal. So tend to think the Uchihas were not completely bad, no more than any of the other villages/clans that got wiped out. They just had some extreme power that was feared and desired.

 

As for that crap about Uchihas loving too much? I think that was just b.s. put in at the end of the story to make people feel sorry for the Uchihas. There's no point to it and it doesn't justify anything to come except as a ploy to make readers accept Obito and cleanse Itachi of his sins. It doesn't make people feel sympathetic for Sasuke, because he is never changed into a sympathetic character. It's a stupid, cheap ploy stuck in the plot. And it doesn't justify the genocide, because we know not all clan members had an activated sharingan, so not all clan members were a threat. Innocents were most certainly killed. And this plot twist doesn't excuse that. 

 

As for Sakura and the hate — no matter what people say about her character evolution, it's not like she was so bad/out-of-character while the rest of the story went on perfectly and Sasuke and Naruto ended their character development as the best versions of themselves. Nope. The story went sideways, and by the end had unraveled altogether. (So much so that Sasuke is narrating Naruto's own manga?!?) Nothing is resolved and their final actions (in the manga) do not fall in line with any of the character development. B

 

But Sakura haters hang that all on her. That she is bad while the rest was great!   But really, it all sucked. Sakura turned out badly...and so did Naruto. Sasuke and Hinata are the only ones who got what they want.