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[luffyq1]

@Luffy, when the two nin from Kumo questioned Sakura about what Sasuke meant to her you could see the sad expression on Naruto's face. When Tenzo asked about Sasuke you could also see the sad expression on Naruto's face. Anyhow you want to put it, Naruto will not be laughing if he returns with Sasuke and the first thing Sakura does is run up to Sasuke and embrace him in front of Naruto.

Don-kun, please don't tell me you're interpretation those scenes as Naruto being jealous? I hope to god that's not the case.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

And yet another hilarious post about Naruto being all sad and depressed because he didn't get with Sakura. Seriously, stop using that argument. His character will get ruined because of it? LOL.

Totally took my post the wrong way,

As zatheko said, I agreed with you.....


To clarify, Naruto's character will probably get ruined if he was sad and depressed that he didn't hook up with Sakura.

He's faced extreme loneliness before, with the determination to keep living. Sure, he'd probably be unhappy, but he'll do his usual thing and cover it up with a smile and keep on living.

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 04 January 2013 - 02:32 AM.

[luffyq1]

Totally took my post the wrong way,

As zatheko said, I agreed with you.....

And you said if it were to happen, and I'm telling you that possible scenario will not happen. There are no ifs regarding that.

Edited by luffyq1, 04 January 2013 - 02:33 AM.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

And you said if it were to happen, and I'm telling you that possible scenario will not happen. There are no ifs regarding that.

I thought you were just talking about all those people in the fandom always portraying as if Naruto not getting together with Sakura will send Naruto to the very depths of despair, nott the possible scenario that it'll happen.


Celestia knows I've seen enough fanfic summaries that begin in the vein of; "Naruto leaves Konoha because Sakura didn't like him and became emo and angry at the world."



Always had the urge to leave a review talking about character derailment.

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 04 January 2013 - 02:37 AM.

[luffyq1]

I thought you were just talking about all those people in the fandom always portraying as if Naruto not getting together with Sakura will send Naruto to the very depths of despair, nott the possible scenario that it'll happen.


Celestia knows I've seen enough fanfic summaries that begin in the vein of; "Naruto leaves Konoha because Sakura didn't like him and became emo and angry at the world."



Always had the urge to leave a review talking about character derailment.

Well now my comment is directed to the portrayal of that idea and the possible scenario that it could happen. Both are ridiculously either way.

[Don-kun]

Don-kun, please don't tell me you're interpretation those scenes as Naruto being jealous? I hope to god that's not the case.

Sad exp​ression vs jealousy exp​ression. --Click here to view--

Please don't put work in my I normally try to think a lot about the thing I will reply and I clearly say sad.

When Sakura was down because of the mention of Sasuke's name Naruto was sad, not angry, jealous, happy but sad, same happen when does two Kumo nin visit Konoha.

[luffyq1]

Please don't put work in my I normally try to think a lot about the thing I will reply and I clearly say sad.

When Sakura was down because of the mention of Sasuke's name Naruto was sad, not angry, jealous, happy but sad, same happen when does two Kumo nin visit Konoha.

Lol, don't bring it actual people's expressions, it certainly isn't helping your case.

And the scenes your presented are clearly not to show that Naruto doesn't like the idea of Sakura loving someone else. Naruto doesn't like seeing Sakura sad, so he tries to comfort her by anyway he can, as he has done numerous times. For you to think that it implies something else pretty much diminishes the whole idea that Naruto is selfless, something that this fandom loves to praise Naruto about when it pertains to NS.

Edited by luffyq1, 04 January 2013 - 03:10 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

Lol, don't bring it actual people's expressions, it certainly isn't helping your case.

And the scenes your presented are clearly not to show that Naruto doesn't like the idea of Sakura loving someone else. Naruto doesn't like seeing Sakura sad, so he tries to comfort her by anyway he can, as he has done numerous times. For you to think that it implies something else pretty much diminishes the whole idea that Naruto is selfless, something that this fandom loves to praise Naruto about when it pertains to NS.

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If your not going to accept actual expressions, then what does naruto and hinata holding hands REALLY mean in the naruto universe. What does Sasuke wanting to kill naruto REALLY mean in the naruto universe. What does the ns hug REALLY mean in the naruto universe. Take away the foundations of logic and you take away any grounding to any evidence in any debate.

Naruto is selfless, meaning he values other people's happiness above his own. Just because he puts on a mask that shows him happy for Sakura doesn't mean that he enjoys putting on that mask..

[Don-kun]

Lol, don't bring it actual people's expressions, it certainly isn't helping your case.

And the scenes your presented are clearly not to show that Naruto doesn't like the idea of Sakura loving someone else. Naruto doesn't like seeing Sakura sad, so he tries to comfort her by anyway he can, as he has done numerous times. For you to think that it implies something else pretty much diminishes the whole idea that Naruto is selfless, something that this fandom loves to praise Naruto about when it pertains to NS.

So in other words you're are bashing the NS fandom and their belief?

What do you gain with this behavior?

Are you really a NS fan or you're are pretending while insulting his fans intelligence at the same time?

[Zatheko]

Lol, don't bring it actual people's expressions, it certainly isn't helping your case.

And the scenes your presented are clearly not to show that Naruto doesn't like the idea of Sakura loving someone else. Naruto doesn't like seeing Sakura sad, so he tries to comfort her by anyway he can, as he has done numerous times. For you to think that it implies something else pretty much diminishes the whole idea that Naruto is selfless, something that this fandom loves to praise Naruto about when it pertains to NS.

I have to agree with Don-Kun here, while i may say that naruto wont stand in sakuras way if she likes sasuke, there is no doubt in my mind that naruto must feel a little sad in the fact that the woman he loves, loves his rival.

And I think those pages represent some of that sadness.

[luffyq1]

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If your not going to accept actual expressions

I'm not accepting real life expressions because it's not helping his argument.

then what does naruto and hinata holding hands REALLY mean in the naruto universe.

So many interpretations for that scene. It may just be chakra transfer, or it can be something more than that. Well just have to wait and see if it truly is a romantic gestured.

What does Sasuke wanting to kill naruto REALLY mean in the naruto universe.

Jealousy, plain hatred, an annoyance, acknowledgement. The list goes on and on for Sasuke's reasons.

for What does the ns hug REALLY mean in the naruto universe.

Lol, well that's a dangerous topic that have lots of well thought interpretations.

Take away the foundations of logic and you take away any grounding to any evidence in any debate.

That's good to know.

Naruto is selfless, meaning he values other people's happiness above his own. Just because he puts on a mask that shows him happy for Sakura doesn't mean that he enjoys putting on that mask..

Agreed with the bolded. But he has accepted the fact that Sakura is in love with Sasuke. He no longer needs to put on the "mask" because he has already coped with the idea of Sakura loving something else. Naruto is certainly not bothered by it anymore, so why stress on it?

Edited by luffyq1, 04 January 2013 - 03:51 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

I'm not accepting real life expressions because it's not helping his argument.

So many interpretations for that scene. It may just be chakra transfer, or it can be something more than that. Well just have to wait and see if it truly is a romantic gestured.

Jealousy, plain hatred, an annoyance, acknowledgement. The list goes on and on for Sasuke's reasons.


Lol, well that's a dangerous topic that have lots of well thought interpretations.




That's good to know.



Agreed with the bolded. But he has accepted the fact that Sakura is in love with Sasuke. He no longer needs to put on the "mask" because he has already coped with the idea of Sakura loving something else. Naruto is certainly not bothered by it anymore, so why stress on it?

Read chapter 459 again.

[luffyq1]

Read chapter 459 again.

Don't be lazy. Elaborate on chapter 459 instead of telling me to read it.

[Don-kun]

I'm not accepting real life expressions because it's not helping his argument.

So many interpretations for that scene. It may just be chakra transfer, or it can be something more than that. Well just have to wait and see if it truly is a romantic gestured.

Jealousy, plain hatred, an annoyance, acknowledgement. The list goes on and on for Sasuke's reasons.


Lol, well that's a dangerous topic that have lots of well thought interpretations.




That's good to know.



Agreed with the bolded. But he has accepted the fact that Sakura is in love with Sasuke. He no longer needs to put on the "mask" because he has already coped with the idea of Sakura loving something else. Naruto is certainly not bothered by it anymore, so why stress on it?

Dude you behavior shows me that you are not here to debate about NS posibility you are here only to annoy the fandom.

It was never stated that Naruto was OK with Sakura loving Sasuke and it would not bother him,



Naruto tell Sakura that a joke like this was not funny, why the hell with he blush of the Idea of Sakura loving him and why the hell will he be mad at her and told her that what she was doing was not funny?


If he was OK with the Idea of her not loving because he already accepted that she loves Sasuke why didn't he tell her that he does not love her anymore the moment she ask him that if he doesn't like her stop making excuses and just say so.

I'm 100% sure that you're having a lot of fun insulting the NS fan intelligence and their believe, because the NS fandom has a lot of reason to believe that the pairing has a chance, until the moment we see Naruto telling another girl that is not Sakura that he loves them.

[Arachnia]

Dude you behavior shows me that you are not here to debate about NS posibility you are here only to annoy the fandom.

It was never stated that Naruto was OK with Sakura loving Sasuke and it would not bother him,



Naruto tell Sakura that a joke like this was not funny, why the hell with he blush of the Idea of Sakura loving him and why the hell will he be mad at her and told her that what she was doing was not funny?


If he was OK with the Idea of her not loving because he already accepted that she loves Sasuke why didn't he tell her that he does not love her anymore the moment she ask him that if he doesn't like her stop making excuses and just say so.

I'm 100% sure that you're having a lot of fun insulting the NS fan intelligence and their believe, because the NS fandom has a lot of reason to believe that the pairing has a chance, until the moment we see Naruto telling another girl that is not Sakura that he loves them.

The only thing i ever noticed was naruto saying he did want too confess too Sakura when the time was right meaning after sasuke is save in bed, will this happen i dont know but he did say that too sai but saying that he may be okey with SS however he wanted at least too have a chance/ a shot or am i wrong there? not saying it will happen naruto and sakura.

[Chucky-kun]

Don't be lazy. Elaborate on chapter 459 instead of telling me to read it.

Sai: lately when I look at naruto, I've been able to feel it, his sadness... And when he thinks of sasuke there's a heat coming from his gut and I know that's anger.
Sakura: I will talk to naruto. The fool's in love with me... So let me do it. I'm the one who's caused him the most pain. I've done nothing but mistakes. I don't want to make another one.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I sort of agree with Luffy1g and Chucky-kun/Don-kun at the same. It can be argued that Naruto no longer cares if Sakura loves Sasuke instead of him. For example, when Sai was explaining Sakura going to kill Sasuke in 473, Naruto said repeatedly "It can't be ... Sakura-chan loves Sasuke so much". The most important factor was that he didn't seem pained at all while saying that. However, it can also be argued that the only reason why was because it was a serious situation and because of his Sasuke tunnel vision. It mattered more to him that Sakura no longer believed in saving Sasuke like he did than the fact that Sakura loved him. Ergo, bad Sasuke tunnel-vision reference.

However, I have trouble believing that Naruto would remain completely unphased if Sakura chose Sasuke after he turned good again. I really cannot see him grinning genuinely as his intial reaction. I always picture him having a pained facial expression while Sakura wasn't looking. He frequently displayed this during the Hospital scene and the PoaL and much later, 459 when Sakura started crying over what Karui said (In all of this instances, Sakura didn't see). Naruto is very selfless in character. He's proved it far too many times to count. But he's still human. No one is gonna be completely happy if the person they love is in love with someone else. Of course Naruto is gonna be sad over SS. Just because he's not happy with SS doesn't make him selfish. What matter is what he does afterwards. And what does he do? He ignores his own feelings of pain and discomfort because Sakura's happiness matters more to him. It doesn't make his love selfish. Quite the opposite. That's exactly why I sympathetize with Naruto so terribly and one of the reasons why he's my favorite character. You know it hurts him but he never lets it control him. Not when it comes to Sakura. That's what also made me a NS shipper.

And as for the whole jealousy thing, Naruto is not a jealous individual in love. If his feelings were shallow and insincere, yes (Early Part 1 comes to mind and how he expressed annoyance over Sakura's crush on Sasuke more than once). When his feelings become deep and turn into love, hell no (Late Part 1 to now). At the most, maybe envy (more mild version of jealousy) and some sadness. But jealousy? Wrong character.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 04 January 2013 - 04:52 AM.

[luffyq1]

Dude you behavior shows me that you are not here to debate about NS posibility you are here only to annoy the fandom.

I'm disagreeing with you and you think it means I'm trolling? Lol.

It was never stated that Naruto was OK with Sakura loving Sasuke and it would not bother him,




Naruto tell Sakura that a joke like this was not funny, why the hell with he blush of the Idea of Sakura loving him and why the hell will he be mad at her and told her that what she was doing was not funny?

Great, you've showed proof that Naruto still has feelings for Sakura. It's not funny to joke about being in love with someone when you're really not. That's why he hates people who lie to themselves. You've showed that he doesn't like jokes, not that he's uncomfortable with the idea of Sakura loving Sasuke, but uncomfortable of the fact that she's playing with Naruto's heart. It's not funny.

If he was OK with the Idea of her not loving because he already accepted that she loves Sasuke why didn't he tell her that he does not love her anymore the moment she ask him that if he doesn't like her stop making excuses and just say so.

Again, you present that he doesn't like that Sakura is forcing herself to love Naruto. That scene clearly shows that he's hurt that she's toying with him like that. Why exactly do you think it was followed up with the famous line "I hate people who lie to themselves"? Seriously, how can you not understand this?

I'm 100% sure that you're having a lot of fun insulting the NS fan intelligence and their believe, because the NS fandom has a lot of reason to believe that the pairing has a chance, until the moment we see Naruto telling another girl that is not Sakura that he loves them.

Huh? How am I insulting the NS fan intelligence? I didn't know you were this sensitive to the fact that I'm merely disagreeing with you.

[Chucky-kun]

I'm disagreeing with you and you think it means I'm trolling? Lol.



Great, you've showed proof that Naruto still has feelings for Sakura. It's not funny to joke about being in love with someone when you're really not. That's why he hates people who lie to themselves. You've showed that he doesn't like jokes, not that he's uncomfortable with the idea of Sakura loving Sasuke, but uncomfortable of the fact that she's playing with Naruto's heart. It's not funny.



Again, you present that he doesn't like that Sakura is forcing herself to love Naruto. That scene clearly shows that he's hurt that she's toying with him like that. Why exactly do you think it was followed up with the famous line "I hate people who lie to themselves"? Seriously, how can you not understand this?



Huh? How am I insulting the NS fan intelligence? I didn't know you were this sensitive to the fact that I'm merely disagreeing with you.

459

[luffyq1]

459

Present an argument regarding 459 instead of saying "459".