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#2381 Froot

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 10:21 PM

Welcome! If you want a proper welcome, though, go to the Academy Enrollment section happy.gif

Anyways, lots of times, (over at VF anyways dry.gif) NH fans will tend to bash NS more than support NH. It's easier than actually making logical arguments, I guess.

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 10:31 PM

There is also the fact that Naruto and Sakura have no blood relation whatsoever...so theirs can't be sibling love, and if they're argument is that sibling love is stronger than gfbf love, then they are basically arguing, that the love Naruto and Sakura share is stronger than the love they believe in their fantasy land Naruto has for Hinata...and Sakura has for Sasuke...so no matter how you argue it...the love of Naruto and Sakura is stronger, they argue it is sibling love, but that's the thing, they are not siblings...and nothing ethical is stopping them from going on dates or getting more serious...If you know what i mean he he he...





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Posted 23 November 2009 - 10:32 PM

QUOTE (Lazy-Genius @ Nov 23 2009, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Spoilers from the yet-to-be released databook --Click here to view--


Besides Naruto looking awesome with the hat, if you look at the rectangular picture that's tilted on it's side with a bunch of people in it, Sakura has her arm around Naruto's shoulders a_thumbs.gif


I am going to be an ass just this once.

ahem *cough cough* Mic check...one...two.

Wait a minute, how come Hinata is not the picture? I thought NaruHina is supposed to be canon. So I would think she would be standing right there next to Naruto with her arm cupped around him. What the hell man?
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Posted 23 November 2009 - 11:40 PM

You just can't see her she's meekly stalk...I mean hiding behind someone.

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 11:49 PM

QUOTE (Derock @ Nov 23 2009, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No arm. That's furigana on top of the kanji.


Actually, you're both wrong- it's the back of Gaara's sand gourd. That group picture looks like a Kishimoto favorite readers character poll result drawing, and while most the text under that drawing is too blurry for me to read I can make out 10th year and "chara" (common manga shorthand for "character") amongst the words. So most likely it's a drawing done for the results of the 10th anniversary of Naruto readers favorite character poll. Naruto and Sakura- as always, are amongst those favorites.

Who's surprisingly absent is Sasuke. Looks like Sai has truly become Sasuke's replacement. If it is a poll result drawing (and it sure does look like it) It looks Kakashi might have slipped a bit as well from his usual 1-2 spot. Jiraiya is quite large and near the front he might be higher ranked than Kakashi this time. From Naruto's position he may have regained number 1 position, Sakura is also near the front and ahead of Kakashi, she may have hit her highest position yet in the polls- #2 or #3

My guess from how close they are to the front and their size and position is possibly:

1) Naruto
2) Sakura
3)Jiraiya
4)Sai
5)kakashi
6)Gaara
7)Orochimaru
8)Pain
9)Itachi
10)Zabuza
11)Madara
12)Haku
13)Kabuto
14)Kisame
15)Hidan
16)Kimimaro
17)Deidara

I could be wrong even if is most likely a poll result drawing, he'll sometimes draw certain characters larger even if their poll ranking is lower. But front positions does means higher rank in the polls.

Edited by ciardha, 24 November 2009 - 12:22 AM.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 03:19 AM

Hm. Can someone remind me what chapter this picture was shown on?

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*Also; I thought it was Hiragana?

Another thing; Please lay off on Hinata. No character bashing anyways.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 04:20 AM

QUOTE (Froot @ Nov 23 2009, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
*Also; I thought it was Hiragana?


I'm taking Japanese class, and those tiny Hiragana symbols on top of Kanji or Katakana symbols are known as Furigana.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 04:59 AM

QUOTE (Derock @ Nov 23 2009, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm taking Japanese class, and those tiny Hiragana symbols on top of Kanji or Katakana symbols are known as Furigana.


Yep, too bad they are too blurry in the picture to read as I don't know most of the kanji in those sentences, except for the one for year. I can read the hiragana and katakana though. the last word in the caption for the smaller drawing is the common shortened word for illustration- irasuto.

Edited by ciardha, 24 November 2009 - 05:01 AM.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:03 AM

That spread already appeared in the manga (467). And I don't think anything was mentioned about a poll when it was featured. All it said on the spread was: Their destiny as ninjas lead them to cross swords in battle every day to bring about a new age. The 10th anniversary databook will likely release a textless version of the spread as a poster or something.

Edited by Miss Soupy, 24 November 2009 - 05:05 AM.


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Posted 25 November 2009 - 02:24 AM

QUOTE (Froot @ Nov 23 2009, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Another thing; Please lay off on Hinata. No character bashing anyways.

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I am going to assume you mean my posts so....

*sighs and facepalms*

I am not character bashing. I am merely stating...*huffs*...forget it.

I forgot this forum has no sense of humor.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 25 November 2009 - 02:25 AM.

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 01:56 PM

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I have a sense of humor. I just don't think bashing is funny. Plus, I was being very polite about it. So please stop calling me out on things as this has nothing to do with NaruSaku.

I'm going to end it right here so we can get back on topic.

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 11:38 PM

I can't believe this is page 120, boy have we come a long way...

THe NH fans are in denial as it stands NS are very canon to this point. They both love each other and the only things that really stands in their way as usual is Sasuke. Why they bother with him is beyond me?
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Posted 26 November 2009 - 12:03 AM

Bonds are why they bother.

bonds are an important theme in the manga, and Bonds are why Naruto and Sakura are coming together before all is said and done. the Bond they share with each other is one that has grown slowly and steadilly from the bginning and will continue to grow as thew story progresses.
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Posted 26 November 2009 - 02:36 AM

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THe NH fans are in denial as it stands NS are very canon to this point. They both love each other and the only things that really stands in their way as usual is Sasuke. Why they bother with him is beyond me?



Bonds are the root them in the manga, most people have bonds that draw them towards each other, but the bonds of a team that are part of a military outfit are extreme. They would die for one another, and they even go as far as to never leave a man behind in the front lines in the military. In other words, I am agreeing with cats.

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Posted 26 November 2009 - 02:58 AM

Why does Sasuke keep stopping them from their feelings. Goddamit, hurry up with the whole Sasuke thing
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Posted 30 November 2009 - 03:55 AM

Anybody heard any fresh arguments lately? It's too quiet in here.

Edited by Froot, 30 November 2009 - 03:57 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2009 - 09:33 AM

I'm afraid, Froot, nobody has heard anything resembling arguments in a very loooooong time.

But if you want, I can provide a new matter of discussion.

The last night I was reading the last chapter of UNforeseen Consequences (Sakura and Ino are fighting over Naruto in that fic). After reading the story, I perused some reviews (sometimes I read some reviews. I don't know why, since they use to be dumb, idiotic-sounding, or outright offensive. But sometimes I waste my time like that, regadless). One of them drew my attention:

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i think hinata wants to bury two people. both female. one blonde and one pink... all that time stalking WASTED. lol. good story.


NO. Hinata doesn't want burying anyone. She is a good, nice person. She isn't violent, obsessive, jealous or possessive. And she proved it in chapter 450. PLEASE, stop imagining or desiring what she was.

I always find amusing how some NH fans can idolize Hinata, making her better that she ever was, and bash Sakura, making her worse than she never was, but then they want Hinata behaves worse than their false image of Sakura. If Hinata is so good of a character, why can't they like her how she is and for what she is?

Alas, poor Hinata.

That person is right about one thing, regardless. She WASTED her whole time -and all her chances- in stalking.

Or she would have done if her only activity since she met Naruto was stalking him... which she didn't because she was training in order to become a better person and kunoichi. But you try and explain that to rabid shippers.

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Posted 30 November 2009 - 11:14 AM

QUOTE (Froot @ Nov 30 2009, 04:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anybody heard any fresh arguments lately? It's too quiet in here.


Well, I think the arguments are still between Sakura's Confession and Hinata's Confession. a_shifty.gif
Many NH declares Sakura's is LYING and Hinata's is Sincere.
I got an argument lately, where it states, Sakura memorized her speech while Hinata's speech is spontaneous. err.gif
I answered the NH fan, that I think, Hinata's is the one who memorized her confession, due to the fact, she is ashamed/shy in the first place, and she practiced it eventually before her confession.(JUST FOR LOL)
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Posted 30 November 2009 - 01:37 PM

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I'm afraid, Froot, nobody has heard anything resembling arguments in a very loooooong time.


Hehe. Ain't that the truth fu.png

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i think hinata wants to bury two people. both female. one blonde and one pink... all that time stalking WASTED. lol. good story.


Wow. I thought they liked her for her sweet personality?

My theory is that all the NH shippers are really shy and timid boys/girls who want to see a character they sympathize with grow a backbone -- that part I can understand -- but then they take it farther. This is where the pairing wars come in.

Since they're sitting safely and anonymously behind their moniters, they begin to get agressive and trashtalk. They want "their Hinata-chan" to win Naruto, like a prize, and want her to go to drastic measures. They become angry and bitter, and that's where the bashing comes in.

Apparently they started reading the manga, but blacked out around, say... ch. 437, making them miss ch. 450 completely fu.png

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I always find amusing how some NH fans can idolize Hinata, making her better that she ever was, and bash Sakura, making her worse than she never was, but then they want Hinata behaves worse than their false image of Sakura. If Hinata is so good of a character, why can't they like her how she is and for what she is?


They absolutely despise Sakura because she is intelligent, confident, strong, and clever. They might even see her as that prep who used to make fun of them in Junior High, I don't know. But for whatever reason, they absolutely hate her, but can't do anything about it because she's... Oh, right, she's fictional. So they make their Sakura bashing fanart, wherein she is stupid, obsessive, and her hitting of Naruto is greatly OVER emphasized, turning Hinata into a brutal, much much stronger, beautiful goddess easily tossing Sakura aside; once again ignoring the manga.

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Alas, poor Hinata.


Fandom rape. The NH fans almost made me hate the poor girl solely with their annoying raving.

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That person is right about one thing, regardless. She WASTED her whole time -and all her chances- in stalking.

Or she would have done if her only activity since she met Naruto was stalking him... which she didn't because she was training in order to become a better person and kunoichi. But you try and explain that to rabid shippers.


They're getting so into it that they begin to belittle their own favorite character? Oh, it's personal now, I guess. hm.png




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Well, I think the arguments are still between Sakura's Confession and Hinata's Confession.


It's all there really is at the moment that hasn't been beaten to death -- yet.

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Many NH declares Sakura's is LYING and Hinata's is Sincere.

I got an argument lately, where it states, Sakura memorized her speech while Hinata's speech is spontaneous.
I answered the NH fan, that I think, Hinata's is the one who memorized her confession, due to the fact, she is ashamed/shy in the first place, and she practiced it eventually before her confession.(JUST FOR LOL)


Hinata's was sincere, but like you said, I still think it may have been scripted, somewhat. I mean, the girl's been sitting in the shadows for well over 3 years, just sitting and waiting; What else is there to do? I'm sure she's been thinking of what she could say to Naruto, wanting so much to say it.

And regardless of Sakura's sincerity, all those things she said about Sasuke being a criminal and Naruto always being there for her are... True.

Of course, they'd know that if they'd read the manga in whole. fu.png

Edited by Froot, 30 November 2009 - 01:39 PM.


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Posted 30 November 2009 - 02:38 PM

QUOTE (Froot @ Nov 30 2009, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's all there really is at the moment that hasn't been beaten to death -- yet.


You're Right Froot.. happy.gif ..
I would like to add that even BLUSHING facepalm.png ---
They argued that, Sakura is so embarassed that she LIED sleep.gif . I was " 111189.gif" ,and
even stating that after 469 chapters, NS friendship would began to DEVELOPED. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
How Far can a DENIAL go on? rawr.gif

Edited by pinkheartsyellowstars, 30 November 2009 - 02:42 PM.





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