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[redragon88]

They would have been canon if he returned AND Rin stopped liking Kakashi AND she started liking Obito.

That's just speculation on your part. Not that I dislike the idea. I'm actually hoping this is the case when Kakashi has his own flashback revealing why he killed Rin.

For now the one Rin likes is still Kakashi until further information is given.

[luffyq1]

I love how people still think that Naruto not ending up with Sakura will make him unhappy. So funny.

[sushi.]

That's just speculation on your part. Not that I dislike the idea. I'm actually hoping this is the case when Kakashi has his own flashback revealing why he killed Rin.

For now the one Rin likes is still Kakashi until further information is given.

IMO, Rin never got the time to fall for Obito. And yes, I'm all for ObiRin.

I mean how can you start falling for a dead guy? Or just a guy who's not there anymore? It will only be imagination, or a memory. Same goes for Sasusaku, although I don't like that pairing. Sakura loves the memory of 12 year old Sasuke, the previous Sasuke. That's what she keeps hiding in her heart, but I think she stopped looking for him a while ago. That is also why I like SasuKarin better than SasuSaku, as Karin has been there with the current Sasuke, and seen his journey.

But let's say Obito didn't die, I dare to say Rin would've fallen for Obito eventually. It just flows with Kishi's writing pattern, that's all.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

I love how people still think that Naruto not ending up with Sakura will make him unhappy. So funny.

If he didn't end up with Sakura and became all mopey and depressed about it, it'd kinda ruin the character.

[Don-kun]

^^
I have a feelings that he meant ending up with another girl and still not being happy.

I love how people still think that Naruto not ending up with Sakura will make him unhappy. So funny.

That plus people saying that Kishi choosing the easy way out by making NH canon and provably fallow by SS in the future.

1st Any girl Naruto end up with will make him happy, the problem is that his character will not be the same if he suddenly fall in love with Hinata out of the blue, plus his talk about hating people who lie to themselves will only be hypocrisy, plus giving up on Sakura who really cares about him and many times try to help him but still believing in Sasuke will make him be seeing a little unfair to her character, so no matter how happy he becomes he will never be seen like the Naruto with the never give up mentality.

2nd Kishi will have a hell of a time explaining how the hell Sakura growing feelings for Naruto never meant anything when it was pointed out by other characters and herself. Kishi making NH in a satisfactory way this late in the Manga, plus forcing the reader to accept an abusing couple like SS, since no girl in their right might will take a chance like that one and worst forget that you sleeping with a man that never loved you belied you many times, disrespected you and try to kill you so many times with out hesitation.

So yes to me NH and SS is not the easy way out since we already seen Sakura's growing affection towards Naruto and Naruto selfless love that indicates that in the end of the day the girl will always acknowledge what the guy did for her and who will provide her real happiness.




@sushi.

It makes sense to fall in love with a dead person, for example we saw that Rin and Obito were very close, she could never realize any feelings she had for him because Kakashi was the one she wanted at that time, Kakashi was her crush while they were only friend.
The moment she start missing Obito she realize that he was the one who really made her happy and her biggest regret was not being able to notice or accept does feeling before.

This is the Main reason that even that it's clear that Sakura has feelings for Sasuke, missing Naruto will hurt her 100 times more that if she miss Sasuke.
She loves him more but she being driven by her desire to be with the other guy.

Edited by Don-kun, 04 January 2013 - 12:54 AM.

[luffyq1]

If he didn't end up with Sakura and became all mopey and depressed about it, it'd kinda ruin the character.

And yet another hilarious post about Naruto being all sad and depressed because he didn't get with Sakura. Seriously, stop using that argument. His character will get ruined because of it? LOL.

Edited by luffyq1, 04 January 2013 - 12:05 AM.

[KnS]

Great post, KnS. That being said it still hurts the character or rather, damages it bad. Naruto is said that once he has eyes on, he's sticking to it until he dies. There are even some that still has the same feelings for a person who is even married. Naruto seems to be the guy. It may be strange, but that can happen. Anyway, my point is that NS being canon has little-to-no problem to the overall character/plot. NH ruins Naruto's character because it may seem like he could lose there but not rescuing Sasuke, let alone being Hokage. Plus, people now knows the past generations connection. It's as if to say, "You! I see that you fail at love because not only you didn't confess or waited too long, but she too love someone else that makes it difficult. I, Uzumaki Naruto, decided to move on and goes to the easy way out-ttebayo!" Tell me that sounds like Naruto.

I think perhaps you misunderstood the purpose of my post. I was talking about the attitude of Naruto's fandom -- what they're focused on -- whether it's Naruto's happiness or the happiness of other characters -- and how that affects the pairing wars (primarily) as well as their own ability to enjoy the story. I was suggesting that if fans kept Naruto and his quest to achieve his goals as their focus, there might be less fighting among fans because then it would be "if Naruto wins, we all win" rather than the vicious competition that it has become for pairings that actually exclude Naruto to "win."

When it comes to story, of course I agree that it would be a reversal of what's been established if Naruto suddenly switched his affections to Hinata, and it would greatly damage both the continuity and integrity of Naruto's character. I would like to be open minded enough to believe that Kishimoto could sell NH to me in a way that I could be satisfied if that were to be the outcome of the manga, but it's too late. If he tries to do it now, it will be a big mess -- even if Naruto, the character, seems happy.

I hope that made sense.

[Don-kun]

I think perhaps you misunderstood the purpose of my post. I was talking about the attitude of Naruto's fandom -- what they're focused on -- whether it's Naruto's happiness or the happiness of other characters -- and how that affects the pairing wars (primarily) as well as their own ability to enjoy the story. I was suggesting that if fans kept Naruto and his quest to achieve his goals as their focus, there might be less fighting among fans because then it would be "if Naruto wins, we all win" rather than the vicious competition that it has become for pairings that actually exclude Naruto to "win."

When it comes to story, of course I agree that it would be a reversal of what's been established if Naruto suddenly switched his affections to Hinata, and it would greatly damage both the continuity and integrity of Naruto's character. I would like to be open minded enough to believe that Kishimoto could sell NH to me in a way that I could be satisfied if that were to be the outcome of the manga, but it's too late. If he tries to do it now, it will be a big mess -- even if Naruto, the character, seems happy.

I hope that made sense.

Exactly what I wanted to say but explained in a much easier, shorter and accurate way to understand.

[Zatheko]

And yet another hilarious post about Naruto being all sad and depressed because he didn't get with Sakura. Seriously, stop using that argument. His character will get ruined because of it? LOL.

He said IF he didn't end up with her AND he became depressed because of it, that it would ruin his character, so in a way he agreed with you.

[Chucky-kun]

He said IF he didn't end up with her AND he became depressed because of it, that it would ruin his character, so in a way he agreed with you.

lol, this, i was wondering if you had taken it the wrong way

[luffyq1]

He said IF he didn't end up with her AND he became depressed because of it, that it would ruin his character, so in a way he agreed with you.

But that's not going to happen. Naruto is not sad that Sakura is in love with Sasuke. You people do realize that Naruto is selfless, right?

[sushi.]

But that's not going to happen. Naruto is not sad that Sakura is in love with Sasuke. You people do realize that Naruto is selfless, right?

Maybe you should watch the hospital scene again. Naruto's feelings are not nonexistent, he just hides them so he can see Sakura smile.

[Don-kun]

But that's not going to happen. Naruto is not sad that Sakura is in love with Sasuke. You people do realize that Naruto is selfless, right?

Dude this is completely wrong, we have seeing many times how sad it makes Naruto seeing Sakura hugging Sasuke, crying for Sasuke or thinking about Sasuke, if I recall even in her confession he remember the way she reacted to seeing Sasuke at the first reunion.

The thing here is that Naruto is Mature enough to accept that Sakura might never love him and she might be happy with Sasuke so he just wish her happiness and does not focus on his jealousy.

Nothing will make him more happy than Sakura returning his feeling, but for the mean time he will respect her and not try to force his feelings on her, something Sakura never consider with Sasuke and Hinata never seems to care about in the first place been the main reason why I feel NH will not happen.

Edited by Don-kun, 04 January 2013 - 01:26 AM.

[Zatheko]

But that's not going to happen. Naruto is not sad that Sakura is in love with Sasuke. You people do realize that Naruto is selfless, right?

Exactly, thats why he said it would ruin his character if it happened, I personally know it wont happen, sure I believe he would be sad but naruto generally puts sakuras feelings above his own and if she were to choose to be with sasuke there is no doubt in my mind he would allow it.

And as Don-Kun said we have seen naruto be sad when he sees sakura showing affection to sasuke so there is no doubt in my mind he would be sad about her ending with him but he would choose to let it be that way whether he likes it or not because as you said luffy, naruto is selfless.

Edited by zatheko, 04 January 2013 - 01:37 AM.

[luffyq1]

Maybe you should watch the hospital scene again. Naruto's feelings are not nonexistent, he just hides them so he can see Sakura smile.

Of course, but that was years ago. Naruto has matured and is no longer hurt or jealous of the fact that Sakura loves Sasuke.

Dude this is completely wrong, we have seeing many times how sad it makes Naruto seeing Sakura hugging Sasuke, crying for Sasuke or thinking about Sasuke, if I recall even in her confession he remember the way she reacted to seeing Sasuke at the first reunion.

Like I said before, that was years ago. Naruto has made peace with himself that Sakura is in love with Sasuke.

The thing here is that Naruto is Mature enough to accept that Sakura might never love him and she might be happy with Sasuke so he just wish her happiness and does not focus on his jealousy.

I agree. Now as for the bolded part, I disagree. It does not focus on jealousy because he has no jealousy of the idea of Sakura loving Sasuke. He is selfless, something that a lot of you NS fans praise Naruto for.

Nothing will make him more happy than Sakura returning his feeling, but for the mean time he will respect her and not try to force his feelings on her, something Sakura never consider with Sasuke and Hinata never seems to care about in the first place been the main reason why I feel NH will not happen.

Agreed.

[Arachnia]

Dude this is completely wrong, we have seeing many times how sad it makes Naruto seeing Sakura hugging Sasuke, crying for Sasuke or thinking about Sasuke, if I recall even in her confession he remember the way she reacted to seeing Sasuke at the first reunion.

The thing here is that Naruto is Mature enough to accept that Sakura might never love him and she might be happy with Sasuke so he just wish her happiness and does not focus on his jealousy.

Nothing will make him more happy than Sakura returning his feeling, but for the mean time he will respect her and not try to force his feelings on her, something Sakura never consider with Sasuke and Hinata never seems to care about in the first place been the main reason why I feel NH will not happen.

diden't he say that in a filler xD or something a movie

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think perhaps you misunderstood the purpose of my post. I was talking about the attitude of Naruto's fandom -- what they're focused on -- whether it's Naruto's happiness or the happiness of other characters -- and how that affects the pairing wars (primarily) as well as their own ability to enjoy the story. I was suggesting that if fans kept Naruto and his quest to achieve his goals as their focus, there might be less fighting among fans because then it would be "if Naruto wins, we all win" rather than the vicious competition that it has become for pairings that actually exclude Naruto to "win."

When it comes to story, of course I agree that it would be a reversal of what's been established if Naruto suddenly switched his affections to Hinata, and it would greatly damage both the continuity and integrity of Naruto's character. I would like to be open minded enough to believe that Kishimoto could sell NH to me in a way that I could be satisfied if that were to be the outcome of the manga, but it's too late. If he tries to do it now, it will be a big mess -- even if Naruto, the character, seems happy.

I hope that made sense.

Ah ok. That what I was trying to say, just perhaps a little wrong turn. Thank you.

Btw, Naruto will be sad if he can't get Sakura. Can he move on? According to Kishi, that's not his character. That hospital is something that really stings boy or girl who just witness his/her love loving another. Most will cry over this, but Naruto took it strong, but you can tell he's hurt. Even the way anime interpreted really shows how bad it hurt him, regardless how strong he is. He can end up as Jiraiya. I didn't know he loves (and still did) Tsunade until his dying regrets. Naruto can keep that feeling forever as strange as it may sound. I think that's what Kishi trying to show with Jiraiya. You may say there's Hinata but oddly enough, I feel like it hurts him more as a character. It's basically a second place trophy and thus no one wins.

[Chucky-kun]

Ah ok. That what I was trying to say, just perhaps a little wrong turn. Thank you.

Btw, Naruto will be sad if he can't get Sakura. Can he move on? According to Kishi, that's not his character. That hospital is something that really stings boy or girl who just witness his/her love loving another. Most will cry over this, but Naruto took it strong, but you can tell he's hurt. Even the way anime interpreted really shows how bad it hurt him, regardless how strong he is. He can end up as Jiraiya. I didn't know he loves (and still did) Tsunade until his dying regrets. Naruto can keep that feeling forever as strange as it may sound. I think that's what Kishi trying to show with Jiraiya. You may say there's Hinata but oddly enough, I feel like it hurts him more as a character. It's basically a second place trophy and thus no one wins.

And then we come full circle, back to surpassing the older generation.

[Don-kun]

@Luffy, when the two nin from Kumo questioned Sakura about what Sasuke meant to her you could see the sad expression on Naruto's face. When Tenzo asked about Sasuke you could also see the sad expression on Naruto's face. Anyhow you want to put it, Naruto will not be laughing if he returns with Sasuke and the first thing Sakura does is run up to Sasuke and embrace him in front of Naruto.

Ah ok. That what I was trying to say, just perhaps a little wrong turn. Thank you.

Btw, Naruto will be sad if he can't get Sakura. Can he move on? According to Kishi, that's not his character. That hospital is something that really stings boy or girl who just witness his/her love loving another. Most will cry over this, but Naruto took it strong, but you can tell he's hurt. Even the way anime interpreted really shows how bad it hurt him, regardless how strong he is. He can end up as Jiraiya. I didn't know he loves (and still did) Tsunade until his dying regrets. Naruto can keep that feeling forever as strange as it may sound. I think that's what Kishi trying to show with Jiraiya. You may say there's Hinata but oddly enough, I feel like it hurts him more as a character. It's basically a second place trophy and thus no one wins.

I disagree with this view, If NH was to happen or NaruKarin even NaruIno, Naruto will not be always loving Sakura, that's not the way how an Author will treat his main character, it will show him as a loser and 2nd to Sasuke plus it will also makes him a dishonest person for using another persons feelings for him while not loving them, that will be selfish and I don't believe any Author will end his story with that kind of message.

If NS doesn't happen the most we can say is that Kishi trolled his main character and ignored his feelings and desire, but anyhow you look on it Naruto will be happy.

I've honest with you, even if NS does not happen Kishi will make Sakura love Naruto before the end just to show Hinata not being a consolation price, Kushina's advice was about choosing the right girl, not giving up on a girl and choose the one you don't love but have to settle with her.
I don't believe Sasuke will reject Sakura if anyone reject her again it will be Naruto.

Edited by Don-kun, 04 January 2013 - 02:28 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

That's fair enough. However, that leaves one thing to ask: if one person needs to change his/her feelings, who will that be? The most acceptable one of them all. Who is that person? Which holds the better moral to the story?