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#221 trang95

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 09:04 PM

Ah oookay I gotta get this off my chest. 

 

First off, the Kingdom hearts love triangle is yes, a triangle, but nevertheless it's pretty planned out that Sora is going to get Kairi. But I'm all down for KairixRiku. That's hot. 

 

And secondly, ATLA did not do a good job with their female characters, especially in Legend of Korra. Half of the female characters in that show were just used for romantic subplot. Nevermind the fact that many of them acted like complete Mary Sues. I still have issues with Korra because I fail to see how a girl who literally went through a huge battle that decided the fate of the world, can't even lift a finger towards some weirdo who claims to be apart of a lotus...like...what. And then her angsty characterization and how she hasn't developed from it. And don't...even get me started...on Asami.... I don't know, I just don't think that ATLA nor Legend of Korra handles their characters and their development well. But the plot of the stories are so intriguing it's easy to forgive.

Hate all the girls you want but I hope you don't mean Toph cause she is the best.


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Posted 21 November 2014 - 09:06 PM

Hate all the girls you want but I hope you don't mean Toph cause she is the best.

 

Or Lin, she's awesome as well! Okay we should really get back on topic now.



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Posted 21 November 2014 - 10:02 PM

What would say about Toph? I have yet to meet anyone that hated her.


I'm not a fan of Toph to be honest.
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Posted 21 November 2014 - 11:00 PM

So, the movie has to get the boycott, and splash kishi with letters. It's the only way, what say you!?



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:40 AM

So, the movie has to get the boycott, and splash kishi with letters. It's the only way, what say you!?

Who cares. The movie will be a success, Kishimoto isn't going to lose a lot of fans over this. Majority of people who stayed fans of this garbage that late in the story aren't going to jump ship just because NS didn't happen. Just rant about things here or on tumblr if it can help you (l know it helps me) but all these campaigns against Kishimoto, his assistants or the Naruto franchise are pointless and make us look bad. This thing is far greater than us and we have no way to affect it in any significant way, it just makes us look bad.



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:55 AM

Who cares. The movie will be a success, Kishimoto isn't going to lose a lot of fans over this. Majority of people who stayed fans of this garbage that late in the story aren't going to jump ship just because NS didn't happen. Just rant about things here or on tumblr if it can help you (l know it helps me) but all these campaigns against Kishimoto, his assistants or the Naruto franchise are pointless and make us look bad. This thing is far greater than us and we have no way to affect it in any significant way, it just makes us look bad.

We look bad no matter what we do, but I have to ask...did the Mass Effect fanbase look bad or immature when 90% of them complained about the ending? That product still made millions of dollars and yet many people felt cheated there as well. Do you think they were wrong to stand up for what they believed?

We already look bad in people's eyes any way...We have nothing to lose basically...so why not go down swinging? Better to fight and die than to lay down and become slaves.


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 01:20 AM

Agreed wow, it inst even about Sasuke btw.
Why on earth she would be terrible?
I knew it, since people on 4chan were calling Sakura a slut and trolling Naruto fans anyway.
But really why she would be horrible, it's not like Sasuke needed her.
He doesnt even love her, he's not even in the village, what a kittening joke!
Get a load of this writer.
 
It went canon one-sided as hell, no love demonstrations from both sides, Naruto is absent with his children and wife i guess.
Sasuke is always travelling, and Sakura all smilling while her husband barely stays at home.
What kind of happy ending is this?
 
At least i was right that he was a bad writer, think about a slap in the face of the people whom disagreed with me, that completely retarded and beyond insane.

When I think about it, I only continue this manga because of NS.
If not for NS I will drop this manga long time ago.
A senior of mine who once like this manga told me that naruto is horrible and I don't disagree with him. I just sugar coating that this manga still worth to read. Oh boy how wrong I am.

I agree with your last paragraph.

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 01:24 AM

 

 

 

First, I don't think I can call Kishi a sexist. Stuff gets lost in translation, and the cultural divide comes into play here. More than anything, I think he is just incredibly ignorant. And I don't think we need to say things about how he must be terrible to his wife and child etc. That's his personal life, it isn't any of our business. His writing capability or lack thereof is what we are fair to criticize. 

 

Now, even if he meant Sakura would have been terrible for "stealing" Naruto away from Hinata and not for getting over Sasuke, he still ended up pairing his heroine with a guy who stabbed through one girl, and attempted to do it twice to her. There's no excuse for that. I don't see how you can defend his actions here. What's Kishi's excuse though? Asspulling of course, remember that BS about Uchiha's going cray cray whenever something involves LOVE? I imagine that's what were going to be told, that it wasn't all his fault, his life was very traumatic, and his cursed Uchiha blood made him attack Karin and Sakura. 

 

 

Concerning Hinata...I never liked her character much but I don't hate her. I had hoped that she might grow, use her admiration of Naruto to grow up and become something more. For her to overcome her shyness, for her to stand up to her father and what was expected of her and do something about Neji's situation. Instead, she became nothing more than a plot device. She continues to have tunnel vision, with the only possible thing awaiting her in the future is the chance to be in a relationship with Naruto. The only times she had meaningful interaction with Naruto were during battles. When Neji wrecked her in the Chunin Exams, when she came and got one shotted by Pein (in the manga at least, Studio Pierrot had other ideas for the anime), and finally during the war where she gets to have Neji die for her ship. And even with these moments, Naruto never reciprocated her feelings. Their total interaction in the manga was so severely limited, that now they are going to attempt to fabricate their romantic development along with SasuSaku and the other under developed pairs within an hour and half of animation and call it a movie.

 

I guess it's a small consolation that we were right, we didn't read the manga wrong. The development was there and it wasn't intended as something merely platonic. However, it will be remembered as unfinished work, like the manga as a whole has felt honestly, since the Pein arc.  I'm admittedly posting some of this out of context, but I just feel the need to vent my frustration with the manga as a whole, this isn't just about who ended up with who, Like...

 

When Kishi decided to just magically resurrect the victims of the invasion. Then have us watch Sakura's botched confession, to her being unable to harm Sasuke who was all too willing to stab anyone within striking distance. The whole war, with all these dead ninja brought back, just because it seemed "epic" however it got old in no time. Suddenly there was a god tree, Madara was actually Obito, the real Madara showed up anyway, and then Kaguya was introduced and dispatched in such a fashion, that I still don't believe that this is the ending Kishimoto originally intended because it is so damn convoluted. 

 

Sasuke was actually turning into a great villain, but that presented a problem when ultimately, Naruto has to redeem him no matter what. So we get the BS Uchiha love disease, and Itachi is able to turn Sasuke down from psychopath, back into brooding antihero. Then he helps Naruto and company with the aforementioned clusterkitten of enemies, and oh, by the way, he and Naruto are suddenly brothers reincarnate or something. Terrible, lazy mess of an ending used to create villains worse than Sasuke in order to take the heat off of him. And after 698 chapters of having displayed zero romantic interest in ANYONE, Sasuke finally acknowledges Sakura with a weak forehead poke, and thus there romance begins.

 

If he decided against NaruSaku, because he feared it would make Sakura look like a terrible person, why have her make the terrible decision to end up with Sasuke? Why demote Hinata into Naruto's silver medal? WHY MAKE THESE PAIRINGS SO INCREDIBLY ONE SIDED, THAT YOU ARE FORCED TO  RETCON NARUTO AND HINATA'S PAST IN AN ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY YOUR HALF BAKED EPILOGUE?

 

All the mistakes that he placed into the final half of his manga easily outweigh the "terribleness" of Sakura abandoning her childhood infatuation, whilst Hinata loses the chance to be with a boy that she only occasionally talks to. In my opinion anyway.

 

 

It's not that anyone is saying he' horrible to his family or anything. It's that he's promoting Domestic abuse with this sensless, BULLS**T comment. So we are just quipping if the same thing were to ever happen within his own family he'd be okay with it?


Edited by Phantom_999, 23 November 2014 - 09:29 PM.

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 02:53 AM

We look bad no matter what we do, but I have to ask...did the Mass Effect fanbase look bad or immature when 90% of them complained about the ending? That product still made millions of dollars and yet many people felt cheated there as well. Do you think they were wrong to stand up for what they believed?

We already look bad in people's eyes any way...We have nothing to lose basically...so why not go down swinging? Better to fight and die than to lay down and become slaves.

I agree with you!
I just wonder if our japanese friends agree as well. Becuase I feel like they are the ones with the power to achieve such thing.



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 02:57 AM

This is how I feel about Kishi:

 

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I don't know how he can live with himself after that. So is that saying that because I'm a girl, I am never allowed to move on from my childhood crush because that would make me a horrible woman? Well too late, already moved on from him and he didn't even turn evil and try to kill me three times! Besides, he made it seem like Sakura had moved on. Except for when he awkwardly threw in plugs talking about how she loved him (which always caught me off-guard, like, whoa man), I NEVER saw her as still stuck on him. Sasuke was nothing but terrible for Sakura's development. Naruto, on the other hand, was. Kishi doesn't deserve to have these characters. 

 

SOMEONE, TAKE THESE BABIES AWAY FROM HIM! He's abused his power!


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 03:03 AM

Win-Chan.

Check out the new translation:
http://dattebayo--ne...f-the-interview
 

It's like he wa saying "WSJ had me by the balls but NS was going to be canon"



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 03:24 AM

Win-Chan.
Check out the new translation:
http://dattebayo--ne...f-the-interview
 
It's like he wa saying "WSJ had me by the balls but NS was going to be canon"

Wrong translation.

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 03:26 AM

Wrong translation.

You really sure it's not the correct one? I dont know which one is the real deal anymore... >__<



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 03:29 AM

You really sure it's not the correct one? I dont know which one is the real deal anymore... >__<

Yeah, it must be hard for people out there to know which one is right.

Out of all the translations I heard, this guy is the only one bringing up Hinata. TakL, Hamorebi, 咲耶姫, 六道仙人 and I all agree with the first translation, which Kishi said that Sakura is a terrible woman if she moved on to Naruto.

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 03:32 AM

Yeah, it must be hard for people out there to know which one is right.

Out of all the translations I heard, this guy is the only one bringing up Hinata. TakL, Hamorebi, 咲耶姫, 六道仙人 and I all agree with the first translation, which Kishi said that Sakura is a terrible woman if she moved on to Naruto.

Sexism, ladies and gentlemen.

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 03:33 AM

Yeah, it must be hard for people out there to know which one is right.

Out of all the translations I heard, this guy is the only one bringing up Hinata. TakL, Hamorebi, 咲耶姫, 六道仙人 and I all agree with the first translation, which Kishi said that Sakura is a terrible woman if she moved on to Naruto.

Ok, well now that someone finally clarified what the best translation is...I'm definitely keeping my sexist pigmoto set.


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 03:34 AM

Sexism, ladies and gentlemen.


Ladies, if your boyfriend punches your right cheek, give him your left cheek.
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Posted 22 November 2014 - 03:34 AM

Ladies, if your boyfriend punches your right cheek, give him your left cheek.

Yeah!.........

Wrong man got this concept....

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 03:57 AM

Ladies, if your boyfriend punches your right cheek, give him your left cheek.

And for the love of God please don't cry if he forces himself on you. He's paying the bills well you sit at home all day and clean. Think of his needs you selfish woman!



 


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 04:00 AM

This tumblr post is really good. Though the wrong translation of the interview is used, the points are all still valid:  http://haruno-sakura...t-having-sakura.






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