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Posted 09 July 2014 - 04:41 PM

So there;re 5 dimensions, thats good to know! the 1st dimension is the one Obito and Sakura are in
2nd: Lava
3rd: Ice
4th: Desert
5th: Water? that'd be cool 
 
Kaguya and BZ are up to something else "that thing" as he calls it, i think thats where the kages come in play. Im seriously confused as to where Naruto is now. He said, in his mind, that the real him followed Kaguya but it wasn't him that got a hole in his stomach? How come if he's there Obito and Sakura don't know it? What about Kakashi? how would he know if Obito and Sakura made it? bah this chapter is a mess. 
 
Also about the Sakura/Sasuke thing, it doesn't bother me at all, girl needs her closure with him. And if people think she's just going to  hate ignore Sasuke they don't know Sakura. She's a kind girl, she'll always want to be his friend. 

Actually, there's 6 of them. Zetsu calls the other 5, meaning there are 6 in total. We only saw 4.

Um, refresh my memory on "that" thing. Probably missed it as I was heading to work. Still charging my phone.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 04:44 PM

Yeah. Obviously it is a trick of some kind and no doubt it is. I am just saying the black orb thing is not reliable enough as I shown there are times when even the original is not drawn with the black orbs all the time.

Fair enough.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 04:46 PM

 
Well there will be resolution its just that it most likely wont be what SS fans are hoping for. I mean the recent stuff in the war, not trusting him, this negativity, sasuke admitting he wouldn't have protected them unless they were close to naruto, this isn't going to just vanish and make him say sorry after all this otherwise it becomes a case of why bother? I mean the whole notion of SS still makes me vomit when the land of iron event where he tried to kill her just becomes a case of a bad point in their relationship. Its just ludicrous and stupid. I mean kakashi said she doesn't love him like she used too but somehow fans think it became more than love which just puts more questions, conflicting questions and more holes into SS than before and doesnt even address in anyway the per-present SS problems before 675. I mean to some fans sakura not loving sasuke is impossible when it makes much more sense in that she is falling out of love with him, she is moving beyond and thats just the notion of it, I mean this makes sense when put with hints of kushinas own foreshadow and 631 recently, hell its a proven fact sakura has a better relationship with naruto so why is the most developed to end at just friendship? Its something they never consider. The only thing SS fans are counting on is a sponteneous 180 turn with Sasuke to suddenly just start being all open and friendly when this stuff is not going to happen, this whole deal of unnecessary mentality, unneeded development, this pointless turn in sasuke, it would put him OOC and just cause so many issues its frightening that fans actually think this does the story justice it doesn't, it puts Sasuke OOC for the most unnecessary reasons, he didnt love anyone then theres no point in suddenly introducing it now, and its just counter productive to sakuras development. Whats the point of her development if everything expect this has not changed in some way completely different from the start? To some SS fans its a world ending event if sakura ever came to love naruto when throughout this manga, the most development, most constant, and positive has already been between naruto and sakura, theres no questions here, sakura gets along better with naruto so how can SS even come when its still seen as negative and why do fans just assume all these get bypassed? This is the same kitten they tell themselves with Sasuke secretly loving Sakura when it doesn't exist. Even if Sasuke in the coming chapters apologized, it would be like NH in 615 making the same mistake, one moment cannot make up for the extreme lack of other stuff all these years. Literally both NH and SS make the aspect of love as a complicated emotion too far, NH makes it too simple because well she always liked naruto but SS makes it just too twisted and irrational, just completely stupid and absurd, I mean the author for SS has never even shown any points of it being positive, any progressive reasons for sakura having this crush, its been shown to make her mistrust the one she "loves" and the negativity recently doesn't help, and espcially when other pairings like NS get hints and the more positive development, what purpose, what resolution, what meaning could possibly exist, what could the author even try to do to make SS come and somehow show it as positive when its been seen as a negative factor for so long? Simple answer, there isn't, because if kishi is serious with SS then he did an even worse job with trying to bring NH at this point, not only is SS worse than NH, its not even less developed its just declined in even being positive, its been shown as something negative since 484 and it certainly has not improved with 540 making sakura saddened, it has not improved with 635 and her mistrusting him, it doesnt look better at all with 676, 678, and 680 all showing these constant degrees of negativity, topping it all off is the he didnt act to save her or kakashi from either the lava or on purpose from the genjutsu and in this upcoming meeting if its just sakura with obito to sasuke, that somehow some apology or sudden turnaround should happen? God dammed no, it doesnt make any sense. If kishi did do this, it only makes SS even worse off, its like we had seen this as negative for so long now its supposed to be "good and ideal?" This is what SS fans are expecting basically, it breaks the logic and does just so much jumbling with the story, its a freaking mess. This is all SS is, a freaking mess that just has to end. For anyone to say 675 made Sakura love sasuke more after all this, espcially the few things we saw after 675, its even less likely she loves him more, this makes no sense, but for a ship thats been under the most constant fire in recent chapters, the one with the most negativity, fans will be desperate to protect their beliefs and hopes and purely expect the impossible to happen, but its not likely, SS is otherwise fading as a love and it may be past that point of no return. As much as they hate it, SS is more or less done for. Nothing will change this, its just character development, if this means Sakura maturing past her ideal crush of sasuke and only seeing him as a friend, it was just something to happen at any point from years before after all we had seen with the negativity. She will forgive and be friends with him, but not love him because SS just hasn't even occured, its had hardly any existence in this manga aside from sakura just loving him, but at that point, this solves nothing so what should logically happen? This changes and it will. Sakura is continuing the change in regards to both him and naruto and well, its again no suprise if she goes towards naruto cause NS has the most development and hints, its no surprise at this point if SS just dies and the coming meeting is just a neutral or negative response on her again from sasuke. If SS was to happen, then this negativity would not exist, but it exists for a reason and SS fans can ignore it all they want but its not going to help their case when the realization comes in that she doesnt love him anymore and 675 was the start of that, its just going to occur in a slow pace until she otherwise more or less loves naruto, its just character development. If they dont like it, well its their problem, and when SS gets its on screen death as no longer love, the same type of flip out will occur like NH fans did with 631 yelling at the author for being "stupid" and "making asspulls" or "trolling" when like 631 as we said before many times our reasons, others laughed and then raged and then this new divided stupdity view on the sakura-kushina event not being important or hinata being like either of the parents emerged, NH fans kept contradicting each other and their former views on 504 all because this fell on sakura, not hinata.
 
SS fans seem to have the idea that Sasuke is full of an inner love for others, that he is harboring feelings for sakura just never seen before, well if this was true we would have seen them by now. Otherwise SS fans are already living in fanfiction with no point of returning because the story is near its end, sakura is changed and still is like naruto and sasuke and in regards to them she still is. She supports naruto more than sasuke despite not loving naruto. I always find it funny how SS fans never consider this. Its just too late for SS though, it cannot be canon at this point, otherwise by all means it has been rendered impossible and unbelievable and just well if it were too occur, it would be a complete mess. Theres no point to it anymore besides Sakura getting over her older feelings, nothing complicated here. Its just character development and this is just that character arc where she may more or less more beyond her old love of sasuke and otherwise to something else, aka naruto, the one she has supported and really cares for, the one she has been supporting more, hell she wants to see him become hokage, she supports naruto more than sasuke again, what exactly does she support sasuke on? Yeah we are done here, SS by all means is falling to death and no longer as love, its just character development and if fans dont like the fact that sakura changes and theres no point of this stuff existing on sasuke, thats their problem.

Inferno, bro I appreciate what you've said. I really do. I actually love all of it. It is a great post as always. But is it wrong of us to deem this plot as no good when we know that Sasuke is gonna ruin her again? We know NS is the end game and definitely have faith in it. But how can we be so sure that Kishi is planning on a closure to Sasuke from Sakura's end and not something like in previous mangas. I am talking about Sasuke putting her down and downright insulting her. If that's not the case then most certainly, this set up is good. But I have a hard time believing that it is going that way. They can both tag together as a team and fight. I don't even mind that. All I mind is, Sasuke insulting her. Is it wrong of me to think to that? It can be a potential SS moment and I still won't lose faith or abandon this ship. Certainly I won't. But is it wrong of us to think that this is no good because it is again heading down to Sakura's insult?

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 04:47 PM

it does not smell, it does not smell , it stinks SS, probably be the last one.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 04:50 PM

Interesting Chapter, confusing though.

 

I'll wait until next week to see if there will be an explanation, if it was real Naruto or not.



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 04:51 PM

Maybe the reason we don't see Hokages is because Hagoromo is still reading bedtime story.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 04:53 PM

Actually, there's 6 of them. Zetsu calls the other 5, meaning there are 6 in total. We only saw 4.

Um, refresh my memory on "that" thing. Probably missed it as I was heading to work. Still charging my phone.

 

Ooops my bad its "that time" which BZ refers to here. They need a lot of chakra to carrie out their plan. 

 

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 04:55 PM

Well there will be resolution its just that it most likely wont be what SS fans are hoping for. I mean the recent stuff in the war, not trusting him, this negativity, sasuke admitting he wouldn't have protected them unless they were close to naruto, this isn't going to just vanish and make him say sorry after all this otherwise it becomes a case of why bother? I mean the whole notion of SS still makes me vomit when the land of iron event where he tried to kill her just becomes a case of a bad point in their relationship. Its just ludicrous and stupid. I mean kakashi said she doesn't love him like she used too but somehow fans think it became more than love which just puts more questions, conflicting questions and more holes into SS than before and doesnt even address in anyway the per-present SS problems before 675. I mean to some fans sakura not loving sasuke is impossible when it makes much more sense in that she is falling out of love with him, she is moving beyond and thats just the notion of it, I mean this makes sense when put with hints of kushinas own foreshadow and 631 recently, hell its a proven fact sakura has a better relationship with naruto so why is the most developed to end at just friendship? Its something they never consider. The only thing SS fans are counting on is a sponteneous 180 turn with Sasuke to suddenly just start being all open and friendly when this stuff is not going to happen, this whole deal of unnecessary mentality, unneeded development, this pointless turn in sasuke, it would put him OOC and just cause so many issues its frightening that fans actually think this does the story justice it doesn't, it puts Sasuke OOC for the most unnecessary reasons, he didnt love anyone then theres no point in suddenly introducing it now, and its just counter productive to sakuras development. Whats the point of her development if everything expect this has not changed in some way completely different from the start? To some SS fans its a world ending event if sakura ever came to love naruto when throughout this manga, the most development, most constant, and positive has already been between naruto and sakura, theres no questions here, sakura gets along better with naruto so how can SS even come when its still seen as negative and why do fans just assume all these get bypassed? This is the same kitten they tell themselves with Sasuke secretly loving Sakura when it doesn't exist. Even if Sasuke in the coming chapters apologized, it would be like NH in 615 making the same mistake, one moment cannot make up for the extreme lack of other stuff all these years. Literally both NH and SS make the aspect of love as a complicated emotion too far, NH makes it too simple because well she always liked naruto but SS makes it just too twisted and irrational, just completely stupid and absurd, I mean the author for SS has never even shown any points of it being positive, any progressive reasons for sakura having this crush, its been shown to make her mistrust the one she "loves" and the negativity recently doesn't help, and espcially when other pairings like NS get hints and the more positive development, what purpose, what resolution, what meaning could possibly exist, what could the author even try to do to make SS come and somehow show it as positive when its been seen as a negative factor for so long? Simple answer, there isn't, because if kishi is serious with SS then he did an even worse job with trying to bring NH at this point, not only is SS worse than NH, its not even less developed its just declined in even being positive, its been shown as something negative since 484 and it certainly has not improved with 540 making sakura saddened, it has not improved with 635 and her mistrusting him, it doesnt look better at all with 676, 678, and 680 all showing these constant degrees of negativity, topping it all off is the he didnt act to save her or kakashi from either the lava or on purpose from the genjutsu and in this upcoming meeting if its just sakura with obito to sasuke, that somehow some apology or sudden turnaround should happen? God dammed no, it doesnt make any sense. If kishi did do this, it only makes SS even worse off, its like we had seen this as negative for so long now its supposed to be "good and ideal?" This is what SS fans are expecting basically, it breaks the logic and does just so much jumbling with the story, its a freaking mess. This is all SS is, a freaking mess that just has to end. For anyone to say 675 made Sakura love sasuke more after all this, espcially the few things we saw after 675, its even less likely she loves him more, this makes no sense, but for a ship thats been under the most constant fire in recent chapters, the one with the most negativity, fans will be desperate to protect their beliefs and hopes and purely expect the impossible to happen, but its not likely, SS is otherwise fading as a love and it may be past that point of no return. As much as they hate it, SS is more or less done for. Nothing will change this, its just character development, if this means Sakura maturing past her ideal crush of sasuke and only seeing him as a friend, it was just something to happen at any point from years before after all we had seen with the negativity. She will forgive and be friends with him, but not love him because SS just hasn't even occured, its had hardly any existence in this manga aside from sakura just loving him, but at that point, this solves nothing so what should logically happen? This changes and it will. Sakura is continuing the change in regards to both him and naruto and well, its again no suprise if she goes towards naruto cause NS has the most development and hints, its no surprise at this point if SS just dies and the coming meeting is just a neutral or negative response on her again from sasuke. If SS was to happen, then this negativity would not exist, but it exists for a reason and SS fans can ignore it all they want but its not going to help their case when the realization comes in that she doesnt love him anymore and 675 was the start of that, its just going to occur in a slow pace until she otherwise more or less loves naruto, its just character development. If they dont like it, well its their problem, and when SS gets its on screen death as no longer love, the same type of flip out will occur like NH fans did with 631 yelling at the author for being "stupid" and "making asspulls" or "trolling" when like 631 as we said before many times our reasons, others laughed and then raged and then this new divided stupdity view on the sakura-kushina event not being important or hinata being like either of the parents emerged, NH fans kept contradicting each other and their former views on 504 all because this fell on sakura, not hinata.


Sweet merciful crap. Please find a way to break this up into more paragraphs. I'm not demanding you do so as a mod, but simply asking you to do so as a member because that is really hard on the eyes.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:07 PM

Sweet merciful crap. Please find a way to break this up into more paragraphs. I'm not demanding you do so as a mod, but simply asking you to do so as a member because that is really hard on the eyes.

 

I can't read his posts either... lol

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:07 PM

Kakashi isn't alone.... there are naruto's clones with him... Besides sooner or later the edo hokage will reach that place as well...

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:16 PM

There isnt much logically or necessity wise for SS to come though.

 

It otherwise just breaks itself with its own logic when its said sakura still loves or always will love sasuke despite all the negativity that happened and thinking the author would somehow hint and display this, shown as a negative trait for so long, that it would then be able to come?

 

The whole aspect of some fans thinking in 675 that meant that she would always love sasuke, its more flawed than NH coming, it just puts way way way too many holes in the events and doesn't even solve the pre-675 problems which arose before, like 675 didn't accomplish anything with the mistrust, it didn't accomplish anything or solve anything with the stuff in comparison to NS like its long development, the hints of it coming (like 631 and 504) and other events for who she supports like in 663, she wants naruto to live to be hokage, not hard to imagine her siding with naruto now is it? In fact the events past 675 with the negativity, her questioning sasuke, these events where she questions his actions, its like we are now asking more than ever how does she feel about him? It obviously cannot be just love, and what would the point of inferring this be if these events still happened? This negativity exists for a reason, a development reason for her at this point.

 

Saying 675 made it so she will always love sasuke just makes too many conflicting questions and solves nothing. especially given what has followed, if she loved him more why would she be questioning all of these, there was never anything to show her love like hinatas as for more than reasons of just loving them at first from a young age, unlike naruto to her, we got reasons for why he loves and cannot confess to sakura, and we have seen reason in why its very possible for sakura to fall for naruto, but this with sasuke? aside from no need on his own nor any events by kishi showing even why she loves her? It just breaks itself though we never knew her reasons beyond just a simple crush and for it to somehow be more for reasons unknown? This makes it even harder to understand, not simply because love for the sake of love as a complicated emotion, no this takes it to retarded new levels, levels of just outright foolishness and stupidity that it just makes things so bad upon the characters, ugh.

 

Its a bit of a sad deal that so many fans insistently and still insistently dont think Sakura can change when she has, trying to ignore her or the aspect that she can and most likely will turn away from sasuke, its just character development. Because if she certainly came to love sasuke more, its definitely in question with the recent events. SS is dying that's all to say.



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:21 PM

Open-ending is more likely to happen than SS ever will. Any chances of SS happening have been completely replaced by SK.

 

Sasuke has never nor will he ever have feelings for Sakura....Sakura's mind is a kittening mystery though, wouldn't surprise me if we get an NS wedding and then have it immediately followed by a 540 scenario again.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:24 PM

Open-ending is more likely to happen than SS ever will. Any chances of SS happening have been completely replaced by SK.
 
Sasuke has never nor will he ever have feelings for Sakura....Sakura's mind is a kittening mystery though, wouldn't surprise me if we get an NS wedding and then have it immediately followed by a 540 scenario again.

Eh? I think Sakura certainly won't do that. I mean when she loves, she loves whole heartedly. Why'd she do that?

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:27 PM

Eh? I think Sakura certainly won't do that. I mean when she loves, she loves whole heartedly. Why'd she do that?

Because Kishi really loves screwing with our heads.He likes NS but not as much as he likes Sasuke being an attention whore.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:28 PM

Because Kishi really loves screwing with our heads.

You do have a point there :D

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:30 PM

Interesting chapter . For a moment there , after spoilers and without translations , I was under the impression that Naruto was thinking that maybe Kaguya is not a woman and that he was going to try the normal ero jutsu on her/him since the reversed one didn't seem to work  ( BZ is confusing to determine who is actually in control . )

 

As for the whole who is in what dimension , I think original Naruto , Obito and Sakura all went into the bridge dimension . Once there , Obito took Sakura and hid inside his own dimension while Naruto remained in the bridge one. From where they are now , Obito  can only jump back to the dimension he  came from which is the bridge dimension  . Only from there can they jump to Sasuke's dimension which is connected only to that bridge one .

 

Also , the only one that can help them find the right dimension to jump to is Naruto . Not to mention that according to last chapter , Sakura's chakra alone is not enough for Obito to jump between Kaguya's dimensions , which is why the Naruto clone also went with them .  Kaguya herself is cautious about using all this dimension jumping as the needed chakra is taxing even for someone like her .

 

What I can not tell for sure is if Naruto is really hurt or not .


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:32 PM

What I'm really wondering he how this chapter thread became a Sasuke rant one when he didn't even appear in the chapter?



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:39 PM

What I'm really wondering he how this chapter thread became a Sasuke rant one when he didn't even appear in the chapter?


Just thinking far ahead. That's why. I would join but I should wait for the next chapter to see where they all stand.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:42 PM

Just thinking far ahead. That's why. I would join but I should wait for the next chapter to see where they all stand.

 

Its start to feel more like paranoia than anything.



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:49 PM

 
Its start to feel more like paranoia than anything.

It is but I can't blame that much. I can see why but I'm ok. I mean again, I should step in, but I'll wait next week.




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