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[咲耶姫]

 

 

I didn't know at all about this interview.

It's interesting.

 

It's still possible thought that Kishi said it to keep us in doubt about the end of the story.

He's often very vague or blunt about his manga, just to let us don't guess what will happen ^^

That said, I think this interview clarifies some thing, and weakens all the theory based on this drawing.

 

I really, never heard about what Kishi said about it.

That's because NH fans twist Kishimoto's comment by saying he said that Hinata was supposed to be Naruto's civilian love interest instead of what it really says.  

[ramenanmitsu]

Sorry, I think I shouldn't have brought up the Reference to Japanese mythology this chapter. It only brought unnecessary doubts to people. In any case, at this point I think Kishi is only using mythology to pick up names of characters and Justus. The names of the Uchiha family are taken from Japanese mythology but none of them share the traits of their mythological counterparts

[咲耶姫]

Sorry, I think I shouldn't have brought up the Reference to Japanese mythology this chapter. It only brought unnecessary doubts to people. In any case, at this point I think Kishi is only using mythology to pick up names of characters and Justus. The names of the Uchiha family are taken from Japanese mythology but none of them share the traits of their mythological counterparts

Well I think it's possible Kishi choose the name of Kaguya in reference to the moon plan. Since Kaguya came from the moon. But that's all. After all, he also used god names as Uchicha techniques, and it doesn't mean Uchiha are god, yes? So I think you're right, he's just picking up names from mythology, by taking a certain trait of character. 

[James S Cassidy]

Sorry, I think I shouldn't have brought up the Reference to Japanese mythology this chapter. It only brought unnecessary doubts to people. In any case, at this point I think Kishi is only using mythology to pick up names of characters and Justus. The names of the Uchiha family are taken from Japanese mythology but none of them share the traits of their mythological counterparts

I have no doubt whatsoever, but you show a good point and one thing that is wrong with this fandom.

It seem a lot of fans, including that of NS, NH, and SS, keep looking at these "sources" that have nothing to with Naruto. Sure, some things in Naruto make a nod to Japanese Mythology, but they are just nods, not story elements taken word for word and put into the manga. Most of the references have nothing to do with the mythologies they are referencing. We all know this to be true, yet we want to keep thinking these stupid references are what is altering the story.

I have seen so many theories and crap that people throw around to explain why NH and SS would happen, but every single theory has been shot down by the manga itself. How many times did the NH or SS fans say that Sakura was going to fangirl over Sasuke if he came onto the battlefield and yet she never did? In fact, she did the exact opposite and questioned his motives while Naruto fangirled. (Sort of.) How many times did the NH and SS fans say that if Sasuke got injured, Sakura would be the first one by his side, and yet is seen by Naruto's side all the time? How many times has NH or SS claimed that Sasuke is going to "confess his love to Sakura" and yet has shown to not care about her or even want to kill her himself? How many times did a NH moment happend and the NH fans say that Naruto will finally fall in love with Hinata only for the moment to just fade into the background?

It almost feels like people are not even reading the manga anymore and would rather read what they want to happen in their own minds. They think that Sasuke loves Sakura and yet the opposite occurs. They want to think Naruto loves Hinata, yet he keeps saying he loves Sakura. They want to say that Sakura still fangirls Sasuke, yet all she is ever doing is being by Naruto's side.

The more theories I read lately, the more I am absolutely convinced that the other fandoms are just blind. Every theory they have come up with it either never happened or the complete opposite has occurred.

"Hinata will always be by Naruto's side even if he was dying." Where is she now? Flat on her face in dirt praying for a miracle meanwhile Sakura is trying to be a real heroine and save him.

"Sakura will never let go of her love for Sasuke and be with him." Yeah, this is why she has stayed by Naruto's side this whole time, blushed around him, admired him, thought about him, and is with him as we speak.

The saddest part is is some of our own fans purposely going out and find these ridiculous theories and then sweating over it like they are correct. I ask why some of you do it and you say "for fun." Well I don't find fun in searching for stuff only to have fear put in me. "Well, they have a good point." Yeah, I can make anything sound like a good point with enough research and big words. That doesn't mean they are correct.


 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 22 February 2014 - 06:01 AM.

[al0eaz]

Im looking at the chapter again, and I was wondering what happened with kakashi's kumai? Did it fail? I also noticed that when Obito puts his hand into madara, his eye is in mangekyo(sp?) form. At first I thought they were trying to stop obito, but is it possible they were helping him? It might be a stretch of an idea, but I wasnt sure if there was more going on in those pages then Kishi let off. 

[Master_Naruto]

Hey guys, I have a theory. Is it possible that Obito regained his juubi powers by siphoning some of Madara's chakra using his mangekyo sharingan? His MS was activated when his hand was in Madara's belly (usually where bijuu power is sealed). I have a feeling that Obito is going to steal bijuu chakra from Madara and give them to Naruto, making Naruto a demi so6p. We've known Naruto is destined to eventually get the chakra of all tailed beasts, so this might be the time it happens. Since Madara is so unbeatable right now, a power up of this caliber is probably one of the only ways to stop him. 

 

What I think will happen: Obito steals some chakra from Madara of all the tailed beasts, and gives them to Naruto along with yin kurama to save Naruto and give him a power up at the same time. This power up would basically be the complete form of the body of the sage of 6 paths (what the 2nd son inherited).

 

Meanwhile, I think the mysterious person near Sasuke is going to play a role in the awakening of Sasuke's rinnegan, giving him the complete power that was inherited by the 1st son. 

 

Then Naruto and Sasuke will use both of their abilities which are the so6p's power to defeat Madara.

 

What do you guys think? this is the only way I can see Madara losing at this point.

[narusakurama]

Hey guys, I have a theory. Is it possible that Obito regained his juubi powers by siphoning some of Madara's chakra using his mangekyo sharingan? His MS was activated when his hand was in Madara's belly (usually where bijuu power is sealed). I have a feeling that Obito is going to steal bijuu chakra from Madara and give them to Naruto, making Naruto a demi so6p. We've known Naruto is destined to eventually get the chakra of all tailed beasts, so this might be the time it happens. Since Madara is so unbeatable right now, a power up of this caliber is probably one of the only ways to stop him. 

 

What I think will happen: Obito steals some chakra from Madara of all the tailed beasts, and gives them to Naruto along with yin kurama to save Naruto and give him a power up at the same time. This power up would basically be the complete form of the body of the sage of 6 paths (what the 2nd son inherited).

 

Meanwhile, I think the mysterious person near Sasuke is going to play a role in the awakening of Sasuke's rinnegan, giving him the complete power that was inherited by the 1st son. 

 

Then Naruto and Sasuke will use both of their abilities which are the so6p's power to defeat Madara.

 

What do you guys think? this is the only way I can see Madara losing at this point.

 

I agree with this . Somehow , Naruto and Sasuke will each get a power up after they are revived and it will be the power of the sage's two sons .  It's also possible that whatever Kabuto does to Sasuke , it will give him a power up and make him evil again at the same time . After all , Kabuto had something planned for Sasuke from the beginning , as he asked Obito to give him  Sasuke as a "reward" for helping in the war .

[TouKen4Life3g]

Late but I would say yes, Sasuke has been nice to Sakura, but at what level. It never gotten further and that's the problem. Honestly, the solution to keep it credible is believe it or not, stop developing the bonds between Naruto and Sakura. This is where the problem lies and once the bonds continue to develop, then it's clear that the intention wasn't the former.

[FireFox]

Late but I would say yes, Sasuke has been nice to Sakura, but at what level. It never gotten further and that's the problem. Honestly, the solution to keep it credible is believe it or not, stop developing the bonds between Naruto and Sakura. This is where the problem lies and once the bonds continue to develop, then it's clear that the intention wasn't the former.

Yep Sasuke has been nice to Sakura only when he's not speaking to her or try to murder her chop her head of  .

[TyranntX]

not that it makes a difference now. I thin we all can agree that naruto has replaced sasuke in Sakura's heart.

[ramenanmitsu]

I know that some people will not agree with me, but Sasuke has genuinely cared for both Naruto and Sakura in part one. Many people say, that he only cared about himself but I think that is not completely true.
-He covered Naruto from the ice spikes in the Wave arc. He sacrificed himself for his teammate.
-In the Chuunin Exams, he complimented on Sakura's genjutsu abilities in order to put confidence in her. This was NOT a calculated action on Sasuke's part to participate in the exams. At that time, he didn't know that you have to apply in team of three for the exams. Some people deny his caring actions by saying that he hurt her in the first place. But I would like to point out that what he said to Sakura was only truth, and he didn't say it with any intentions to hurt her. Whereas he complimenting her, was fully intended to put confidence in her.
-Sasuke fought against Orochimaru to protect his teammates even though he feared him and knew that the enemy was in a whole new level than him. This happened even before Naruto protected Sakura from Gaara, who he feared and thought of as much stronger than him.
-Sasuke cared about both Naruto and Sakura to the level of considering to stay in the village, fight alongside them and forget to kill Itachi. He cared about them, and wanted to protect them to the point that it clashed with his life-long dream.

In part two, after he chose revenge, his caring nature for team seven has been buried. But, by the end of the story I am sure that he will return to the Sasuke who cared for both Naruto and Sakura.

However, even if he cares for both Naruto and Sakura again, and there are no obstacles to SasuSaku with him being the good guy again, I am fully confident that it will not happen.
1) Even though Sakura may have lingering feelings for him, she does not want to be with him.
I know this is very hard to believe, but this is the case of having feelings =/= wanting to be together. It is clear that Sakura does not trust him, and does not feel fully happy with his presence. This is contrary to Hinata who likes Naruto AND wants to be with him.

2) Sakura will never hurt Naruto.
It is clear that even if Sakura may have lingering feelings for Sasuke, she views Naruto as more important to her whether romantically or not. She knows that being with Sasuke will emotionally hurt Naruto, and that's the one thing she can't stand the most. This is the girl who could sacrifice her life for Naruto in order to protect him. Naruto's feelings would always take a priority over her own. This is why I think even IF she was 100% deeply in love with Sasuke, which I doubt she is, she would still not get with him as long as she knows that it will hurt Naruto.

3) The clash of goals, and being on the opposite side.
One of Sakura's goal is to see Naruto become Hokage. This obviously clashes with Sasuke's own goals. If ideologies in the Naruto universe could be expressed with chess, Sasuke will be the King of the black side, Naruto will be the King of the white side, and Sakura will be the Queen of the white side. When these two forces clash, it's obvious that Sakura will fight AGAINST him. How can a relationship work between two people that could easily turn into enemies due to the clash of their own goals? There is no safety zone between Sasuke and Sakura.

4) Sasuke doesn't need a partner.
This is obvious. He occasionally forms alliance with others like team Taka, and the shinonbi alliance when it coordinates with his goals, but he will easily discard them when it becomes disadvantageous to his goal ex) team Taka, Orochimaru, Karin. This is because his goals take precedence over anything and everything. The only person that could be his partner is somebody who will NEVER get in the way of his goal and support him in places where he lacks, and such person doesn't exist. Sakura may complement him due to her medical skills and high abilities as support, however, she will only heal/support him as long as he is in Naruto's side. Her support towards Sasuke is very limited.

5) He does NOT love her.
The end.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Oh make no mistake, Sasuke did care for them. I'm not arguing against that. I'm only saying that her care factor for Sakura is just a normal level. Care as a friend. It never strikes into a stronger level, like what's going on now. It almost felt like Shikamaru's near death was provided for comparison, but I digress.

[ramenanmitsu]

@narusaku4life
Don't worry, I wasn't talking about you at all. In fact, I agree with most of what you say.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@narusaku4life
Don't worry, I wasn't talking about you at all. In fact, I agree with most of what you say.

Thank you. I was speaking for all of us, whether they're in the same position or not. I'm not sure if anyone would think otherwise, but I do believe what I said.

[Otaru]

The thing is Kishi is pretty much straightforward with his choice of words here there is nothing vague about them in here like in some other interviews , his intentions with this picture are as clear as day there is no hidden meaning behind this , heck if you want more evidence just look at the relationship chart he made  there wasn't even a heart arrow from Hinata toward Naruto but there was from Naruto to Sakura plus Kishi always says what he means so i hope i made myself clear with this .

 

For me NH is dead since 631 plus Kishi never fails to show Hinata's "love" for Naruto as nothing more than admiration and idolization . 

 

And no problem you're welcome at any time .     

 

To me too, Hinata's "love" for Naruto is more admiration.

I've always saw it like that.

But some could argue that to love someone you need to admire him/her.

[sushi.]

 

To me too, Hinata's "love" for Naruto is more admiration.

I've always saw it like that.

But some could argue that to love someone you need to admire him/her.

I will laugh if she ever starts calling him 'Senpai'. She would kill NH all by herself. :v

[Otaru]

Sasuke was the one who made her doubt herself in the first place , he insulted her and her abilities right before that scene that's the only reason why he even noticed that , plus his entire focus was on the exam and he didn't want anyone messing up that for him that's the sole reason why he even did that and that green he made after that further more proves it , it wasn't because Sakura was happy but because he accomplished his goal there wasn't even an after thought from him about Sakura being ok .

 

SS is anything but any kind of "love" it makes me , being nice toward somebody once doesn't equal love it means you are a human being  there is nothing positive about SS in the first place .   

 

It did in the sense that it destroyed any "hints" of Naruto having feelings for Hinata and reaffirmed his own toward Sakura everything after 631 destroyed it even more but 615 in no way destroyed NH completely but more or less I agree with you . 

 

What do you think about when you say he was the one who made her doubt in the first place ?

I don't remember such thing.

 

I genuinely think that Sasuke back then really felt links with Naruto and Sakura.

I'm not saying he loved her, but please it was obvious he was growing his feelings for her and Naruto.

That time, back then, he was genuinely thinking about Sakura well-being.

I'm sure of it.

 

 

 

To be even more fair, we are in part 2 and the Sasuke now is not the same Sasuke back then. Dude tried to stab her without flinching. I'm sorry, but no amount of "part 1" can erase that.

 

I know why you are saying that, but some could argue that Sasuke wasn't himself at that time and that the real Sasuke didn't want to hurt her.

He was possessed by evil.

If you think of it, it's really convenient for Kishi.

He's made Sasuke bad without being really bad.

He's presented him as "broken" and easily fooled by some evil guy.

 

He still can make Sasuke have a redemption at the end...

 

In truth, i think like you, but Kishi is the author and he can do what he wants... event SasuSaku and get us all pissed... lol ^^'

Edited by Otaru, 22 February 2014 - 07:01 PM.

[FireFox]

@narusaku4life
Don't worry, I wasn't talking about you at all. In fact, I agree with most of what you say.

 

If you are referring to my little comment since i think you are , i never said he didn't care for them at all it's obvious he did on some level but he did put those thoughts into her and he didn't do it in a nice way whether it was the truth or not it doesn't matter  , he could have said that nicely to her not the way he did or he could have offer to help her but he didn't   he wasn't thinking of Sakura's feelings at all or how would she feel , but i will retract my comment about the Genjustsu compliment and say yes he did notice and he did compliment her but it doesn't change the fact that she was like that because of him in the first place and wile that wasn't his intention he did hurt her but that's how Sasuke is he doesn't think about his choice of words and that more than often did hurt Sakura's feelings . Also this compliment of his doesn't override all the times he was being an ass to her and it doesn't make SS chances of being canon any better then they are now (i'm speaking in general here not referring to you  )  .

 

And since i saw someone mentioned  (to lazy to go back) about SS might had a chance if Sasuke stayed or wasn't affected by Orochimaru Sasuke might have developed feelings for Sakura i will say this . For one Sasuke has never ever shown to have any feelings for Sakura outside of caring for her as a teammate , two he never did approach her or ask anything from her he was never impressed by her and has never shown any interest in her it was the opposite Sakura was the one who did that and he rejected her every single time and that was even before Orochimaru came in so what makes you think he would develop any romantic feelings for Sakura out of the blue ? ,  third their personalities don't mach like at all and Kishi has made that clear in P1 and P2 instead he showed us that Naruto's and Sakura's do match (i think this is one of the reasons why we all ship NS ) , and last Kishi chose for the story to go this way so it doesn't matter if Sasuke stayed or not he still wouldn't have develop any feelings for Sakura Kishi's intentions are as clear as day   and DEAR GOD can i just say how much i hate this excuse for SS it makes me sick hearing it over and over again it the same as what if Sakura knew about Sasuke's situation it doesn't matter Kishi chose this way his intentions are very much clear so deal with it  .    

[TouKen4Life3g]

I will laugh if she ever starts calling him 'Senpai'. She would kill NH all by herself. :v

What about Naruto-niisan?

[sushi.]

What about Naruto-niisan?

I don't think they're that close. Neji is her niisan. :3