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#221 morgaine4

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:12 PM

As much as people are saying, that Bench is no brainer, its been one of the most reoccuring locations in the entire series within the village, alongside the ramen bar, and hokage office, the bench has held some signficant scenes, even for Sakura in just that case.

 

Its not crazy to think that if there is a NaruSaku canon born moment, that it could occur there basically ya know, opposite of when she said she first hated naruto to the full reverse of loving him there. Basically it would be kind of a moment for the audience to see this is the opposite of when we first saw Sakura, who was immature and knew nothing of Naruto but now in the end being mature and loving naruto. I mean it was used when Sasuke knocked Sakura out after saying goodbye. Makes sense for this to be the space NaruSaku would go canon.

 

Well it depends how much it was rebuilt since the village was destroyed a while back by nagato. If the village is fully back by the end of the series, I'd expect the bench to be back too.

 

 

Well, arguably the two most important romantic beats in Sakura's story --the near kiss with Naruto-as-Sasuke, Sakura's confession to Sasuke-- occurred at the bend.  And as Chatte has pointed out before, in this manga things often occur in threes, so it something could happen.



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:16 PM

to be honest, i love to see some NaruSaku - im so waiting for it.

but why is Naruto not thinking of Sakura in the last chapters? i understand that they are in a war right now and the least that he should do is worry about his love life.. but when he saw Obito's flashbacks, although he admitted they are the same, he's only thinking of how they're childhood was like and that they have the same dream... Naruto isn't stupid, he definitely understood what Rin is to Obito, but that still didn't trigger him to think of Sakura.. even with the latest chapters when the focus is with ObiRin, there's no indication from Naruto that he understood him because he has someone in his heart too... if Naruto is only doing TnJ about dreams and comrades, if he wont touch the subject (love interest) which is basically why the guy gone insane, is the last talk enough to bring Obito back to the good side? any ideas?

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:21 PM

As much as people are saying, that Bench is no brainer, its been one of the most reoccuring locations in the entire series within the village, alongside the ramen bar, and hokage office, the bench has held some signficant scenes, even for Sakura in just that case.

 

Its not crazy to think that if there is a NaruSaku canon born moment, that it could occur there basically ya know, opposite of when she said she first hated naruto to the full reverse of loving him there. Basically it would be kind of a moment for the audience to see this is the opposite of when we first saw Sakura, who was immature and knew nothing of Naruto but now in the end being mature and loving naruto. I mean it was used when Sasuke knocked Sakura out after saying goodbye. Makes sense for this to be the space NaruSaku would go canon.

 

Well it depends how much it was rebuilt since the village was destroyed a while back by nagato. If the village is fully back by the end of the series, I'd expect the bench to be back too.

This sounds like a head canon , i like it :3. Sure hope Kishi is taking a ride on your plane :D. :wow: :eager:


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:36 PM

@ladyannelise
I think it would be the last thing naruto use in his tnj.
I mean if obito know that certain pink hair kunoichi is naruto love interest.
He will certainly kill her to prove his point to naruto.

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:45 PM

One thing Kishi is great at doing is making youngins adorable, ack the feels!  I think it's why the fact that they're all baby-soldiers (child soldiers) always stood out to me.  Ugh, I really hate the Shinobi World.

This irks me because as long as the manga is about peace, it is about politics and I can't imagine the eternal peace with this government. In fact, all villages needs a whole new lawsystem. Naruto can make everyone love eachother, but as long as the source of all the corruption is still there, it won't ever stop.

 

Naruto can TnJ people while Sai, Shikamaru and/or Sakura go repair the system. They have brainpower and experience, but so far it's only a pleseant headcanon with little foreshadowing. I think Minato said something about fixing the system, and the ANBU is set up to change. That's the adressed issues, the rest are ignored. Shinobis only have 12 years secured education of kunai throwing and who knows how little math, the villages have their own torture and interregation force and like you said..child soldiers. Learning to kill at that age is bad for the psyche. But the ignored issues doesn't seem to have a bad influence on any of the rookies so far, no matter how unrealistic it is. That's why it's more of a personal frustration than criticism.


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 11:11 PM

This irks me because as long as the manga is about peace, it is about politics and I can't imagine the eternal peace with this government. In fact, all villages needs a whole new lawsystem. Naruto can make everyone love eachother, but as long as the source of all the corruption is still there, it won't ever stop.

 

Naruto can TnJ people while Sai, Shikamaru and/or Sakura go repair the system. They have brainpower and experience, but so far it's only a pleseant headcanon with little foreshadowing. I think Minato said something about fixing the system, and the ANBU is set up to change. That's the adressed issues, the rest are ignored. Shinobis only have 12 years secured education of kunai throwing and who knows how little math, the villages have their own torture and interregation force and like you said..child soldiers. Learning to kill at that age is bad for the psyche. But the ignored issues doesn't seem to have a bad influence on any of the rookies so far, no matter how unrealistic it is. That's why it's more of a personal frustration than criticism.

 

 

Naruto's goal is great, but he never deals with the harsh specifics.  He says "I'll do it," "I won't give up," and then magically converts everyone to his side.  They need for people to deal with the specific gritty problems of this world, they need laws and structures in place that make child labor (child soldiering) ILLEGAL and UNACCEPTABLE regardless of an individual's genius status, they need improved mental health facilities/evaluations, they need orphans to be treated better (a better adoption policy perhaps?)...



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 11:17 PM

Want to know a favorite argument of mine?

 

Everyone says kishi is a troll, in truth, he really isn't going out of his way to constantly just torment the fanbase especially the pairing stuff. I mean everyone thinks that, but if all the NS stuff put forward was always intended then he just put it into action over a few ways, including the 469 event as a tensional moment for them to a degree. Kishi has done some bait and switch, but it has made sense in most cases, I mean we knew Sakura had a reason for her fake confession to naruto, yet it was still in his best interest. I mean Sakura has lied to Naruto before, but she has done it to protect him or keep him from worrying. Naruto has done the same to Sakura in a few ways.

 

The stuff in the manga, I mean i'm sure that the manga and anime staff are aware of what the fandom does but they don't let the fanbase demands tweak the canon material to what kishi and the select other few who decide what goes in the manga actually has to occur, I mean series like Naruto, Bleach, even especially one piece have story bibles, major events written years ahead of time before they come up. Oda from One piece already had the original ending planned so long ago, one piece was originally supposed to be 300 chapters, look how long it is now! Other series, even videogame series like Halo have story bibles they are bound to follow or use.

 

I mean look at Naruto, look in the further manga chapters, like 5+ years in when the fanbase was well established, espcially since Naruto came to the mass markets like the U.S. and Europe in 2005. Fanbases grew and learned quickly about the series due to the existing content. The developers of the naruto series, yes they know the fanbase and know how parts of it exist. The only in turn, messing that occurs, or fanserive from time to time, its in the stuff that doesn't matter like the anime, fillers, omakes, and other shorts, even games. Remember how insane and offcourse this stuff was in the animated rock lee series? I mean people love Hinata, her fanbase exploded after pain, but nothing real significant besides the short 615 moment came for her, still dwarfed by many other characters and their own respective achievements.

 

I mean look at avatar the last airbender, the fact that the creators actually made an episode mocking everything on their own series by the fans was so ironically funny, it was the classic, they made fun of themselves and the fans perception of what things should be. This is why the ember island players was such a funny episode, it hit all the right spots on each character to such a degree, it was perfect as the last comedic episode before the impending finale against ozai. It was such a fitting episode, it was perfectly designed to use in various youtube videos to mock M Night Shymalan's butchered movie adaptation.

 

But the naruto manga, let alone kishi, i'm pretty such he doesn't go out of his way to do all this pairing drama nonsense most fans think he does. This isn't some romance manga full of conflicts and shifting trust and all that stuff you would see in teen dramas. Its focused on action and adventure but drama is there, as drama to the conflicting resolves of various characters. There is drama right now between Naruto and Obito to see what will Obito's next move be? Return to try and make amends by Naruto or just remain alone in his own hate?



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 11:24 PM

Nice chapter!

 

Dunno if this has been mentioned b4 but Rin says "I'm watching over you now, you can't hide anything"

 

I believe that is important to NS and Naruto's hidden/suppressed feelings for sakura


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 11:58 PM

For kittens sakes... I can't enjoy Tumblr anymore because all I see are parallels. Yes, I especially mean NaruHina/ObiRin in the NaruSaku tag. GO AWAY.

 

okignoretherage   I really enjoyed this chapter! I'm gaining a soft spot for Rin. Buuuuut... is it just me... I just want this war to end already. LOL.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 12:43 AM

I don't see any NH in this chapter why are NH claiming a NaruHina moment?

I just see some parallel between

Naruto/Obito

and mabe some with Sakura and Rin :confused:


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 12:44 AM

For f**cks sakes... I can't enjoy Tumblr anymore because all I see are parallels. Yes, I especially mean NaruHina/ObiRin in the NaruSaku tag. GO AWAY.

 

okignoretherage   I really enjoyed this chapter! I'm gaining a soft spot for Rin. Buuuuut... is it just me... I just want this war to end already. LOL.

We all want it to end. Don't pay any mind to the NH parallel. LOL   They Don't have enough for a parallel.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 01:05 AM

huge theory here but what if Rin is a completely unique personality that doesn't directly parallel with any other character?


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 01:36 AM

Seems like my prediction came true. Obito tried to get rid of all his feelings and emotions and become a "no one"...A messiah of sorts. In the end, he could not completely let go of his old self. He was just trying to take the easy way out by running away from the problem instead of trying to solve it. 

 

I do feel a bit bad for Obito. His actions are unforgiveable, no question. However it's not easy to not be swayed by your emotions when you're this young and experience something as traumatic as what Obito experienced. Sometimes there's a very fine line between "light" and "dark" and it's easy to stumble and fall to the wrong side.  

 

I also liked how Obito admitted that his reason for trying to sway Naruto was to convince himself that his actions were right. I fit very nicely with his theme of denial and regret. 

 

What I didn't like so much was when Naruto offered Obito to come to his side. I get what Naruto is trying to do here. He's a good guy after all, so of course he would rather want to save Obito than kill him. However, it all just seems a bit too dogmatic.   


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 01:39 AM

A little boring but an alright chapter overall. Aside from the Rin panels, I didn't care too much for this chapter. We already know about most of what was stated in this chapter. Naruto once again confirming his feelings for Sakura isn't something I desire, I mean we already know this, what I would to know now is where Sakura's feelings lie. As for Obito, I'm just laughing at how hard Kishimoto is trying to make me feel sorry for him. Seriously, I have no sympathy for that ass. After killing off who-knows-how-many people, you're just now starting to have regrets. Riiiight. I'm still not enthused about the ObiRin parallel; if it happens, okay, if it doesn't, whatever. But if it does, all I ask from Kishi is to not make Sakura's character bad. As for where this story is going I having a feeling someone's about to get backstabbed, and it will be glorious.

 

 

And for the ones saying that Rin could have stopped loving Kakashi and gone on to love Obito, if it were any other guy yeah, possibly, but....this is Kakashi we're talking about:

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Lastly, I've come across some really screwed up comments by the fans today about this chapter. People are saying Rin's a b**** for "friendzoning" Obito and that she's to blame for all this. Can not tell if trolling, or just f'ing stupid.

 


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 01:44 AM

@ rocci: NH fan are now saying it. It's their new argument... And they're serious....

its no surprise on tumblr they are acting like idiots


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 01:55 AM

huge theory here but what if Rin is a completely unique personality that doesn't directly parallel with any other character?


Hmm, I think rin is sakura parallel. But for personality, I think she's more like the old school heroine sweet childhood friend. If I use the comparison from other manga, than I would use SLAM DUNK haruka. Hey even the interaction and love triangle is same with it.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 02:00 AM

Actually these kinds of words are something Sakura should receive more from Naruto. Given that it is similar to the NaruSaku hospital scene after the Hidan-Kakuzo arc.. these kinds of words could lift up Sakura's continuous insecurity of not being useful to Naruto.

 Omg if Naruto says something like, "By helping me, you're saving the world," (or maybe not exactly that, cause it admittedly does sound a tad childish lol) or "I wouldn't have been able to do anything of this without you," or something along those lines I will cry, of happiness of course. :cry: 
 

But allow me to..
 
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Nice edits! Good choice on the smiling Sakura panel—when I saw that particular panel of Rin smiling, I immediately thought of that smile when Tsunade praised Sakura.
 

Man, I really like Rin. I really like young Obito. I love them all. They are so precious!
 
Although it is the first time that we know that Obito had no parents, I thought contextually it all fit, so it was unsurprising, and it didn't matter whether it was brought up or not in the past. "Let's make Naruto and Obito even more similar to each other". Really as of now I don't see the point of the information except that it parallels to Naruto's life. I can't stand this whole Rin - Hinata thing and it's not about NH. It's been in our faces over and over how Hinata "staying by Naruto's side" is her own selfish desire. Rin's is nothing like that. Ah.
 
Okay, I think Kishi is trying REALLY HARD to keep things neutral right now, although I don't see the point because it is clearly very Rin - Sakura, I don't think there is any arguing in that. I think it's possible that Sakura isn't paralleled to Rin in a way that someone else is paralleling them (like Naruto saying "I also have a girl that I love..."), but I feel that her actions and words will be very much like Rin's. 
 
I'm very much in love with Rin's "I'm watching you" to Obito. It's so sweet. If I was Obito I'd have fallen for her as well. I don't really have anything negative to say to anyone. I'm tired of looking at things negatively and it takes a lot of energy. I like the Obito/Rin scenes.  :D I like Rin. How cute is she. I can't get over it haha.
 
I really feel that there are a few possible routes in the next chapter.

  • Bito doesn't the hand and does something crazy
  • Bito is going to take the hand and then Madara does something crazy
  • Sasuke things, Kakashi things
I think there are 3? 4? more chapters in this volume.
 
*Obligatory prayer for Yamato to save everyone*

 

 This post x1000! Perfect post. Rin is adorable, little Obito is, too. @ the bolded: Same!  :lol: 
 

Uh? No. No. No. I absolutely despise the idea of Naruto gaining rinnegan, it does not fit him at all!

 Same. If he gets rinnegan I'll punch someone.
 

I found it really interesting that the touching scene with Obito and Rin was on a bench similar to the bench scene from Ch. 3 with Naruto and Sakura, The context of both scenes are very similar, too. Just look at the visuals:
 
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 Nice catch! They are indeed very similar.
 

Either way I think Kishi has a thing for that bench. ^

Yes indeed. We got the forehead scene on that bench, Naruto & Sakura's first 'date' on that bench (when Sakura trusted Naruto with the secret of Sasuke's curse mark, Naruto smiled at her and assured her Sasuke wouldn't go to Orochimaru, prompting Sakura to smile sweetly back), then this ObiRin scene. There is no doubt that Kishi will revisit the bench.
 

huge theory here but what if Rin is a completely unique personality that doesn't directly parallel with any other character?

Nah.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 02:18 AM

Good chapter!

 

I was actually expecting some physical resistance, but I guess this is the same as the Rasengan-Chidori clash between high-level shinobi with Naruto and Sasuke at the bridge.  I didn't enjoy it any less though.  Basically, Naruto is trying to convince Obito to come back to Konoha.  It makes me wonder if Obito will actually die this arc.  I'm still on the fence if he will are not, because I still see that sacrificing himself to make amends cliche is still viable.  However, its true he should go back to the leaf, and make amends starting there.  That tpoic brings up another point of the chapter of taking shortcuts.  You get this moral expressed in TV many times.  You commonly hear, "always take the tedious and hardworking way" and "Shortcuts are just temporary solutions that won't help you in the end."  These are true statements.  Obito is the living example.  He did take the easy way out, and what was convenient.  Instead of dealing with reality of Rin's death in the real world, he sought to flee to a dream one, where in his world she was alive, and wanted to drag along everyone else.  Also, I didn't know how all that was referencing chapter 2 with Konohamaru until someone mentioned it.

 

Naruto and Obito are similar.  That's why Naruto is Obito's only link to rejoining the "good" side.  This is another example of how Naruto changes people.  It's not what he says the convinces them, but what he does.  It's the actions that back up what he says that moves people.  Obito consciously was testing Naruto to see if he would make the same choices he did, because he was similar.  However, no matter how much pain Naruto experienced from losing Neji and other Alliance members, he still managed to keep moving forward with the help of his friends.  People may claim Naruto is using his own experiences to convince Obito, but it can't be helped.  They are similar after all.  It would be strange if Naruto didn't do that.  I liked at the end Naruto stretched out his hand to Obito and said "come to this side" as it matched chapter 615, when Obito tried to do the same.

 

NH fans are really trying to find a parallel in this chapter?  I have to agree with others that said there were no pairing moments.  If anything, you get similarities between Rin and Sakura, but that's all.  Those are really character similarities.  Whether the parallel will be established is anyone's guess, but it has the set up for it.  Anyway, looking forward to next chapter, and Obito's answer.



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 02:40 AM

Obito will die ala darth vader in starwars episode six.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 03:15 AM

A lot of people noticed and I seemed to come across it too that the no shortcuts as hokage speech naruto gave obito was the exact same one he gave to konohamaru way back in chapter 2. We also all know what happend in chapter 3 of naruto ;) could this event be coming up?




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