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[Phantom_999]

The chapter I enjoyed. there was some heartwarming moments, And I enjoyed the NS interaction as Sakura shows Naruto's safety means a great deal to her and to also not put so much pressure on himself. does it count as ship tease? Well it can count as that, like James said if very a subtle one , but more than that it shows a her having a strong emotional connection to him . I enjoyed how Tsunade patted Sakura's Head and praised her like a mother would and how Sakura showed such a child like happiness at being praised.   Hinata, I'm not bothering with, as everything that needs to be said is said. Her single minded thoughts of Naruto are nothing new and as some members hae said, we should not hold it against her, but it does not make her a better character either. She's certainly not interesting, let me tell everyone that.  

Edited by Phantom_999, 03 October 2013 - 03:16 AM.

[SkiesEagle]

What bothered me about Hinata wasn't what she said necessarily (because everyone including cutie puppy was sharing the sentiment), but it's how she said it.  Her expression, her body language.  Why wasn't she happy?  Why didn't she seem self-confident or optimistic as the others?  I don't understand why she was upset, why she wasn't confident.  Maybe she's realizing something?  Maybe she has concerns regarding her ability to follow through?  I don't know, but I thought she came off as almost petulant --once again, to me it didn't seem as if she cared that Shikamaru was saved, that she actually thought about anyone other than herself and Naruto.

 

I get the feeling that her major development came full circle in 615 (or was the hand holding in 616?  I always forget), and that her growth is stalled even more than the manga in general because the next step for her would involve coming out of her self-inflicted codependency, in order to focus on how to better herself through herself, and in order to focus on her clan.

 

I realizes what you said. She supposes to be happy when Shikamaru is alive like everyone else. But why? She didn't looks happy and she only to thinks to be Naruto's side. I don't understand why she think of that.

 

I thought she have develop her character for that for her goal. My thought is that she possibly didn't move on focus on her goal instead of thinking of Naruto too much.

[morgaine4]

I agree 100% with Morgaine. Hinata's expression, or should I say her lack of expression, is what is tremendously bothering me. She didn't show any kind of relief at how her friend had just escaped a near death situation. She didn't even smile. Instead, to me it seemed as if she was being bothered by something, and all she wanted was her own piece of Naruto in the end. I couldn't help but to to visualize this image while reading it.

 

 

 

 

Even Sai was happy, even Sai who doesn't really understand emotions unless it happens to be Naruto and/or Sakura's emotions, showed relief, joy, optimism.  He showed a genuine, relieved smile (his expression was extremely similar to Ino's), but Hinata looked upset.  I'll admit, Shino wasn't smiling, he looked quite serious, but that made sense because he was reassuring cutie puppy (and it's Shino) --he was thinking of just himself.  The difference is quite jarring, it can't be a coincidence.

[Darkness]

 

Even Sai was happy, even Sai who doesn't really understand emotions unless it happens to be Naruto and/or Sakura's emotions, showed relief, joy, optimism.  He showed a genuine, relieved smile (his expression was extremely similar to Ino's), but Hinata looked upset.  I'll admit, Shino wasn't smiling, he looked quite serious, but that made sense because he was reassuring cutie puppy (and it's Shino) --he was thinking of just himself.  The difference is quite jarring, it can't be a coincidence.

 

We actually see a lot of contrast in some characters' personalities in this chapter. As you've mentioned, Sai is smiling. I'm happy for this guy, he is finally starting to understand what it means to have friends around him, and although he did not spend too much time with Shikamaru, we can see how relieved he was. Not to mention he is always around Sakura like a body guard as some have already pointed out. 

Also despite being his serious self, we have got the chance to see Shino. While yes, he was serious, he did not seem bothered by anything, instead he was interacting with everyone on the Hokage's advisor subject (OMG, Shino was interacting with people  ) and more than that, he made his presence in the group instead of always being ignored in the background. And Hinata preferred to keep her thoughts to herself and don't participate at all in that cheerful moment. I really don't get what Kishimoto intends to do with this particular character.

Edited by Darkness, 03 October 2013 - 03:41 AM.

[Deej]

So over the last two chapters it has been established that Naruto = Hashirama and Sasuke = Madara. And now Shikamaru = Tobirama. So does Sakura = Mito? It seems to fit.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

*Sigh* People on mangafox are talking about if Sasuke will be final villain or not.   The thread starter disagrees.  Nothing wrong with that.  It's his reasons that I facepalmed at.

 

Here's his beginning post:

I see quite afew people saying the same thing.

Sasuke is the main villain or Sasuke will be the final villain in the next arc.

Look at this page and the fore shadowing!



See the bottom left panel? This is from the chapter "True Dream"

Remember Sasuke is "Team 7" still and now is goal is the protection of Konoha.

Madara has the best bet of being Final villain and Sasuke and Naruto will continue the team up and do something special to defeat him and then a dying Madara will say "So that is what the prophecy meant" .

Some may think me wrong but there is too much AGAINST Sasuke vs Naruto in a death match.

But what do you guys/girls think?

 

 

Opinions?

[Qia]

Not that I agree or anything, but the posts about Hinata focusing so much on just Naruto makes me think of her RTN self, and how she was mostly about Naruto as well. The only difference was the change in "expression"(she's much more direct in RTN).  It may not mean anything but...it's just something I just realized xD. 

Edited by Qia, 03 October 2013 - 04:03 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

What bothered me about Hinata wasn't what she said necessarily (because everyone including cutie puppy was sharing the sentiment), but it's how she said it.  Her expression, her body language.  Why wasn't she happy?  Why didn't she seem self-confident or optimistic as the others?  I don't understand why she was upset, why she wasn't confident.  Maybe she's realizing something?  Maybe she has concerns regarding her ability to follow through?  I don't know, but I thought she came off as almost petulant --once again, to me it didn't seem as if she cared that Shikamaru was saved, that she actually thought about anyone other than herself and Naruto.

 

My interpretation of Hinata's thoughts was that she saw how much everyone wanted to be there for Naruto, and she started doubting she'd be able to compete with that. Basically, she was becoming insecure and losing confidence again at a dramatic rate. She wants to be the one to "inspire" Naruto, just he always did for her but she was like "Can I do that? He has so many other great friends, so much better than me."

 

Maybe this was a bit childish of her. Hinata's always been characterized as quietly self-involved, to the point she can't really look past anything but her own interests. And her main interest is Naruto, obviously. The girl has tunnel vision and actually expects a lot from Naruto. Which is funny, considering the NH/Hinata fans say Sakura's the demanding one.

 

I'm still not gonna say it's as bad as 615/her reaction to Neji's death though. Not even close.

[soraandven]

well i haven't commented yet might as well now sakura was very good in this chapter she even got a head pat from her master it kinda reminded me of how naruto met his dad for the first time and i liked her reactions towards naruto as well gave me a ns vibe especially when she smiled at him after they both saved shikamaru now ill move onto hinata ok ive never been a fan of hers cuz of her character type but masashi are you trying to expose her flaws even more? i mean you just proved to us that she really does have a one tracked mind and to think sakura haters believe that she could be a more worthy heroine really c mon now shes almost up there with karin at this point

[TouKen4Life3g]

*Sigh* People on mangafox are talking about if Sasuke will be final villain or not.   The thread starter disagrees.  Nothing wrong with that.  It's his reasons that I facepalmed at.

 

Here's his beginning post:

 

Opinions?

Sasuke will be the final villain because Sasuke still wants to kill Naruto and that alone already is against EVERYONE. That said this is the near end moment and let's not forget Naruto is at the limit. Once he's done with Obito, that's it for him. Madara will be either at the same time as Obito or the very next. Either way, Sasuke will be the last villain. Last chapter has already hinted that Sasuke will be stronger than Madara and has the same vibe as in darkness. He is only prevented for a little bit because of Itachi's wish. But that can go so far, especially his ideal of "peace" is really "No mercy" route, which Naruto is against that. So no matter what, Sasuke will be the last villain.

[morgaine4]

 

We actually see a lot of contrast in some characters' personalities in this chapter. As you've mentioned, Sai is smiling. I'm happy for this guy, he is finally starting to understand what it means to have friends around him, and although he did not spend too much time with Shikamaru, we can see how relieved he was. Not to mention he is always around Sakura like a body guard as some have already pointed out. 

Also despite being his serious self, we have got the chance to see Shino. While yes, he was serious, he did not seem bothered by anything, instead he was interacting with everyone on the Hokage's advisor subject (OMG, Shino was interacting with people  ) and more than that, he made his presence in the group instead of always being ignored in the background. And Hinata preferred to keep her thoughts to herself and don't participate at all in that cheerful moment. I really don't get what Kishimoto intends to do with this particular character.

 

I do think it's important to note that Sai hasn't bonded that much with Shikamaru, and while I do think he was genuinely happy and relieved that someone he's beginning to view as a friend had been saved, I think Sai was also genuinely happy/relieved/excited for the sakes of Naruto and Sakura.  Sai has become an expert on what those two are feeling (even when they don't want to discuss it, even when they don't want to acknowledge their feelings), Sai has also been shown to be particularly protective of Sakura in recent chapters (since his observation that despite what she says, she doesn't trust Sasuke).  So while Sai has come a long way for sure, and he has a better understanding of his own feelings, I don't want to discount the fact that he still has a long way to go.  Regardless, it's a pretty big deal that he was able to interact with others, that he's become so empathetic that he actually feels what he observes.

 

Regarding Shino, I agree, good point!

 

 

 

My interpretation of Hinata's thoughts was that she saw how much everyone wanted to be there for Naruto, and she started doubting she'd be able to compete with that. Basically, she was becoming insecure and losing confidence again at a dramatic rate. She wants to be the one to "inspire" Naruto, just he always did for her but she was like "Can I do that? He has so many other great friends, so much better than me."

 

Maybe this was a bit childish of her. Hinata's always been characterized as quietly self-involved, to the point she can't really look past anything but her own interests. And her main interest is Naruto, obviously. The girl has tunnel vision and actually expects a lot from Naruto. Which is funny, considering the NH/Hinata fans say Sakura's the demanding one.

 

I'm still not gonna say it's as bad as 615/her reaction to Neji's death though. Not even close.

 

I see the self doubt too, I just don't like it.  I want her to move on, change, be less focused on Naruto (and if that happens, I might even dislike NH and well Hinata less than I do).

 

I don't think it's as bad as her reaction to Neji's death, but the difference to me is that this happened after 633 when Hinata finally took a step forward.  I think that's why it's disappointing, I don't have a problem with someone making progress, then falling down Sakura's done that after all, but the difference Sakura is very self critical and tries to change herself, HInata simply focuses on Naruto and his nindo.  When will she reflect upon herself?

[Atheck]

So over the last two chapters it has been established that Naruto = Hashirama and Sasuke = Madara. And now Shikamaru = Tobirama. So does Sakura = Mito? It seems to fit.

Naruto and Sasuke representing the two legends from the previous generation was alluded to as early back as #234. In the most recent chapter a comparison of roles is made which connects both Shikamaru and Tobirama to the Hokageship as the studious advisers and most loyal assistants. Kiba and Shino threw in their own hats but this sudden group interest in being Naruto's right hand man should be taken with a grain of salt like the claim to the Hokage title that they made back in #632. It's obviously just a quip that they made during the moment; in Kiba's situation at least.

As interesting as it would be to see Sakura equated to someone from the founders' generation (and not just for sentimental value but technically as well) it doesn't appear very likely at the moment. There is next to nothing about Mito that we know of. Kishi never established any parallels or connections of any sort between her, Sakura, or Tsunade besides the visually similar markings on their foreheads.

Hashirama's recountal of the village's founding history was an opportune moment to introduce and flesh her out as a character yet there wasn't even a reference to her name given iirc. For whatever reason Kishi didn't feel it was necessary to portray her back then despite how integral she was in finding a long-term solution for suppressing the bijuu.

It's possible that Mito will be given some exposition in the near future since Hashirama and Tsunade are interacting directly with each other now. A sentimental moment will definitely happen between them at some point. The last time Hashirama saw his granddaughter she was just a small infant/child. They will try to make up for lost times and a connection between her seal and Mito's could very well be established. That could lead to Sakura being paralleled to her which would give her a greater end to strive for besides surpassing Tsunade (which Kishi seems to have set back with events in this recent chapter). It would be her equivalent to Naruto's Hashirama and Sasuke's Madara.
 

*Sigh* People on mangafox are talking about if Sasuke will be final villain or not.   The thread starter disagrees.  Nothing wrong with that.  It's his reasons that I facepalmed at.
 
Here's his beginning post:
 
Opinions?

Sasuke being the final battle was confirmed by Kishi years ago. Whether he will be the final antagonist (there is a difference) is uncertain though. There's still Taka, Orochimaru, and Black Zetsu (even though most people seem to have forgotten about him) to handle after this war is over.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sasuke being the final battle was confirmed by Kishi years ago. Whether he will be the final antagonist (there is a difference) is uncertain though. There's still Taka, Orochimaru, and Black Zetsu (even though most people seem to have forgotten about him) to handle after this war is over.

Didn't Black Zetsu got killed by Sasuke? I could have sworn that happened. I remember a scene that he just killed it and where the white Zetsu confirmed that he killed the original. Remember, Zetsu wasn't a fighter, more like a scout. But feel free to correct me. Just the fact that we still have the whole Orochimaru and others already makes it confirmed for one more arc. If that's not enough, Naruto is at the limit. Unless Kakashi got senzu bean.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 03 October 2013 - 04:43 AM.

[Shadow1275]

*Sigh* People on mangafox are talking about if Sasuke will be final villain or not.   The thread starter disagrees.  Nothing wrong with that.  It's his reasons that I facepalmed at.

 

Here's his beginning post:

 

Opinions?

 

First off, Kishi himself promised a Sasuke/Naruto battle. Now there are a couple scenarios of how this could happen:

 

1. Sasuke does a Heel-Face turn: This one seems most likely to me because of a couple of reasons. First, Sasuke has shifted sides and betrayed "allies" multiple times on the drop of a dime. Just because he's fighting with the alliance now doesn't mean that he cares for their goals. He swore to kill the elders and there are still two elders left alive.

 

Second, he parallels Orochimaru who is even more shifty then Sasuke himself. As well as Madara who when denied the hokage spot, did another face heel turn after allying with Hashirama

 

2. Sasuke wants to become Hokage for the wrong reasons: Sasuke has always followed the philosophy of might makes right. This falls in line with the parallel of him and the older son of the sage. If he becomes hokage or attempts to, this is the policy which he will impose. Naruto who believes that love and friendship are the way, will not stand for this and oppose him. Especially since the vast majority prefers Naruto over Sasuke, which would also parallel the events that led to Madara betraying Hashirama and attemtping to forcibly take the seat of Hokage.

Edited by Shadow1275, 03 October 2013 - 04:48 AM.

[Atheck]

Didn't Black Zetsu died by Sasuke? I could have sworn that happened.

No, when Madara implanted Hashirama's DNA into Tobi in order to prevent him from dying he created a remote link between his chakra and said DNA. By injecting his own essence into it like in #636 he was able to assume control over that half of Tobi's body. That's how Black Zetsu came to be but the original one who was partnered with White Zetsu and the Zetsu flesh utilised in preserving Tobi are different from each other.

In Tobi's situation the right side of his body was the second creation of Madara's to be transformed into an Uchiha/Yin based replica of Hashirama's DNA. Zetsu exists independently of Tobi though.
 

I remember a scene that he just killed it and where the white Zetsu confirmed that he killed the original.

Sasuke killed the original White Zetsu. The last we saw of Black Zetsu he was only incapacitated.
 

Remember, Zetsu wasn't a fighter, more like a scout.

True, but Karin isn't exactly a fighter either and she would classify as a henchman since she aligns herself with Orochimaru and Sasuke.

Moreover, it's not like Zetsu is incapable of managing himself in combat, the black half at least. At the beginning of the war he seemed to be holding his own against Mei and the protection squad. He may not be the most powerful member of Akatsuki but he is capable of fighting against powerful shinobi.
 

Just the fact that we still have the whole Orochimaru and others already makes it confirmed for one more arc. If that's not enough, Naruto is at the limit. Unless Kakashi got senzu bean.

I half-expect that next arc to play out like the Sasuke Retrieval mission with several of the Rookies participating in individual fights against Taka. All of it culminating in a climactic battle between Naruto/Sasuke/Kakashi and Orochimaru.

[Mistraal]

Apparently a fuss in this chapter, besides the obvious about it amounting to yet another motivational tangent, is Naruto healing Shikamaru when Sakura was having a very difficult time stabilising his condition. I did think it was upsetting to see Tsunade casually restoring his chakra with just a touch of her hand on his forehead. Why couldn't Sakura manage that feat as well? It's obvious that she helped but her duty was apparently the most taxing on the user.

 

It's difficult to assess how much the three of them contributed to Shikamaru's recovery.

Shika was already ok by the time Tsunade got there. She was checking on him i think....unless Tsunade was healing Sakura too for no reason.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Ah yes, I remember now. Ok, thanks. Well, I do think Black Zetsu may die along with Obito and Madara. I don't see anymore purpose if both of his leaders are gone.

 

Shika was already ok by the time Tsunade got there. She was checking on him i think....unless Tsunade was healing Sakura too for no reason.

Shikamaru was ok, but needed to recover to join in. That's where Tsunade steps in. Naruto/Sakura did the saving as Tsunade did the recovering.

[narusakuforlife1667]

do u guys like sakura's new bangs?

kinda but it makes her look different so yes

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't mind the bangs, it's a way to show how worked up these guys are in the war. Like my brother would complain, if they stay clean, it will be unrealistic. Imagine if it's for a plot sake. To be honest, I won't be surprised.

[Darkness]

kinda but it makes her look different so yes

 

Although it was mentioned as a plot device in a likely NS future moment, I really just see it as a normal outcome given the situation Sakura is at the moment. It is to be expected her clothes to be dirty and her hair to be messy. 

 

But yeah, deep inside I too want it to mean something Naruto related. But I do not expect it to happen this way.

Edited by Darkness, 03 October 2013 - 05:23 AM.