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[Psychox]

True... I think the most probable one is Hashirama's bijuu binding things... Or else I cannot explain myself.

Hashi's binding skills didn't work if you remember he pinned down the juubi , but when Obito became his Jinchuuriki he proclaimed that he is stronger that him ,which makes me think that his binding jutsu can't help right now..

[Atheck]

The most probable reason for Madara's sudden interest in fighting Hashirama is interconnected with this ambiguous trump card of his that he referenced several chapters previously. Whether it's related directly to Tobi remains a mystery, but it should alter the outcome of the war in Madara's favour presumably. 

 

Oh, by the way, I made this picture depicting the three possible Sage Mode successors. It's still conjecture as to whether there will be a third or not, but it would tie into the parallelism and mythology elements (learning "slug magic") that Kishi has incorporated into the manga.

 

 

It's a shame that Naruto only uses the mode sparingly since he acquired Kurama's chakra. The benefits, risks, and markings that it provides are alot more interesting than KM/KCM/BM IMO.

[Chatte]

The most probable reason for Madara's sudden interest in fighting Hashirama is interconnected with this ambiguous trump card of his that he referenced several chapters previously. Whether it's related directly to Tobi remains a mystery, but it should alter the outcome of the war in Madara's favour presumably. 

 

Oh, by the way, I made this picture depicting the three possible Sage Mode successors. It's still conjecture as to whether there will be a third or not, but it would tie into the parallelism and mythology elements (learning "slug magic") that Kishi has incorporated into the manga.

 

 

It's a shame that Naruto only uses the mode sparingly since he acquired Kurama's chakra. The benefits, risks, and markings that it provides are alot more interesting than KM/KCM/BM IMO.

Wow, nice.

You know...I have noticed something. Ever since Hashi came, his forehead was covered by his headband showing only the rest of the marks, while Sakura's forehead is free. So I am asking myself if it's too much of a coincidence...

 

@ Psychox but then... I wonder why he keeps Hashi at bay. Maybe it's like you said Atheck, it has to do with his trump card...

[T XD]

I am really curious myself tbh, why is Madara insisting on keeping Hashirama out of the battle, tbh...

He's saving him for later and he's in rush to stop Obito for something he has to do. One thing for sure and I had this thought since the second I have read Madara saying " I'll keep you a little longer " which he will regret this.

 

 

The most probable reason for Madara's sudden interest in fighting Hashirama is interconnected with this ambiguous trump card of his that he referenced several chapters previously. Whether it's related directly to Tobi remains a mystery, but it should alter the outcome of the war in Madara's favour presumably. 

 

Oh, by the way, I made this picture depicting the three possible Sage Mode successors. It's still conjecture as to whether there will be a third or not, but it would tie into the parallelism and mythology elements (learning "slug magic") that Kishi has incorporated into the manga.

 

 

It's a shame that Naruto only uses the mode sparingly since he acquired Kurama's chakra. The benefits, risks, and markings that it provides are alot more interesting than KM/KCM/BM IMO.

Yeah, the war will be to Madara's favor, and possibly his trump card is related to Hashirama. Need more Madara panels to see what he has in mind.

Edited by T XD, 01 August 2013 - 09:12 AM.

[Dkey]

what's certain is that Madara is as cryptic as Sasuke. Unfortunately we can't guess until he uses his trump card and may very well be in the following chapters or the next volume. and it involves Hashirama.

[Psychox]

Wow, nice.

You know...I have noticed something. Ever since Hashi came, his forehead was covered by his headband showing only the rest of the marks, while Sakura's forehead is free. So I am asking myself if it's too much of a coincidence...

 

@ Psychox but then... I wonder why he keeps Hashi at bay. Maybe it's like you said Atheck, it has to do with his trump card...

 

 

It could be that he wants to use hashi for something , if he has a way to extract kurama then he'll need Hashirama to control it which could lead to the idea that he has a jutsu silmlar to that of ITachi's but that is a very long shot , he could have hidden a wood clone somewhere to prepare a  jutsu that needs time or what not. , beets me i can just sit to contemplate nothing more , but its interesting to give perspective theories

Edited by Psychox, 01 August 2013 - 09:27 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Agree with you there, I mean kishi like sasuke it's his second go to character but he def puts naruto on his pedestal. I mean look how he's been treating sasuke. Naruto on the other hand is everything sasuke wants to represents.

I do see sasuke somehow getting manipulated by madara. As things stand as of now madara really seems like an after thought. It's the juubi. This arc has to end with sasuke transcending both obito and madara as the main and final antagonist.

Other wise all that build would seem stale. That's just my thoughts. And great to see Sakura again. I do see her rushing to help naruto when Karin and orchimaru and hokages arrive.

Actually is the opposite, Naruto represents everything he detests, he left the summit wanting to kill Naruto but mostly to crush his ideals and i think he wants that with the "erase the past" going on a rampage to kill everyone.

He wants to get ride of his own past and destroy the village.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 01 August 2013 - 10:32 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Hey, wait a minute. Maybe it is Kyuubi. Think about it. Why go after Hashirama? Because he knows how to deal with Kyuubi. He stopped it with breeze and the flashback hid the fact on how exactly Hashirama defeated Kyuubi. We just know he went all out with that crazy summon and then skipped to Madara's last stand. Remember, Madara came to him and Hashirama, out of all edo, knows the capability of a Bijuu. So if taken care of Hashirama, as in takes a while to regenerate, he could use Kyuubi for something. Plus, remember that old shrine where Itachi waited for Sasuke. Kyuubi was there. This is interesting.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 01 August 2013 - 11:20 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Hey, wait a minute. Maybe it is Kyuubi. Think about it. Why go after Hashirama? Because he knows how to deal with Kyuubi. He stopped it with breeze and the flashback hid the fact on how exactly Hashirama defeated Kyuubi. We just know he went all out with that crazy summon and then skipped to Madara's last stand. Remember, Madara came to him and Hashirama, out of all edo, knows the capable of a Bijuu. So if taken care of Hashirama, as in takes a while to regenerate, he could use Kyuubi for something. Plus, remember that old shrine where Itachi waited for Sasuke. Kyuubi was there. This is interesting.

That's the problem, Madara is not Hashirama, he can use the wood dragon but as he said, he's not a match for Obito.

He went to fight Hashirama maybe to prevent him from interfering on Obito's fight and succeed the plan, maybe he didnt tell to Obito one detail about how he would be able to use the Moon Eye Plan, which could be his trump card, but i dont think he will get the Kyuubi, if anything would do that maybe he might try to get the Kyuubi's chakra that is on Minato but still he would not be capable against Obito.

 

I think he's just going to fight Hashirama and maybe get redeemed.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 01 August 2013 - 11:24 AM.

[Dkey]

Hey, wait a minute. Maybe it is Kyuubi. Think about it. Why go after Hashirama? Because he knows how to deal with Kyuubi. He stopped it with breeze and the flashback hid the fact on how exactly Hashirama defeated Kyuubi. We just know he went all out with that crazy summon and then skipped to Madara's last stand. Remember, Madara came to him and Hashirama, out of all edo, knows the capability of a Bijuu. So if taken care of Hashirama, as in takes a while to regenerate, he could use Kyuubi for something. Plus, remember that old shrine where Itachi waited for Sasuke. Kyuubi was there. This is interesting.

 

you're right. The kyuubi was usually linked to the uchiha (madara in particular) in some odd way but why would it have some special ability. I'm also looking at all the Rin flashbacks that gave Obito strength to control the Juubi. But in an odd way all the uchihas that are present there are hovering over Naruto waiting for a chance to kill him.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I wonder why the plan didn't go asap. Maybe it takes time (?). Then again, there are so many in the way.

 

Well, maybe Madara wants the beast itself, not just chakra. One thing I noticed is that Kyuubi possessed a special chakra as in almost looking like RS. Why? Minato did look similar and I thought maybe because Naruto is special. Granted he still is, but Minato has the similar effect. Why? I mean Killer Bee looks way different as human using beast form. It's like a mini-beast. Naruto is looking like a RS descendent. Only way to explain is to say, "maybe Namikaze is special", but who knows. And why just Kyuubi in that shrine.

 

Lastly, refresh my memory, but how did Madara meet Kyuubi?

[六道仙人]

probably it's the same thing as happened in VOTE when Madara survived against Hashirama in a mysterious way. Itachi said to Sasuke that the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan gives you a new ocular power. Now, still assuming that he was really telling the truth, what's this new power?

It's possible that Madara has "annuled" his death due to the change apported to the space-time continuum thanks to his new ocular power of EMS? But maybe it's a power too much great that it needs a senju chakra for doing it...

 

 

Lastly, refresh my memory, but how did Madara meet Kyuubi?

 

He just met him during a walk LOL

Edited by 六道仙人, 01 August 2013 - 11:39 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

probably it's the same thing as happened in VOTE when Madara survived against Hashirama in a mysterious way. Itachi said to Sasuke that the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan gives you a new ocular power. Now, still assuming that he was really telling the truth, what's this new power?

It's possible that Madara has "annuled" his death due to the change apported to the space-time continuum thanks to his new ocular power of EMS? But maybe it's a power too much great that it needs a senju chakra for doing it...

It's a mystery on how Madara did survive as well as obtaining a lifetime supply of Senju cell, which becomes Zetsu. This is driving me nuts. I really feel that he wants Kyuubi for something. He was only Madara back then, but now, with Rinnengan and young, what is the new thing he can achieve that he couldn't in the past.

[Dkey]

I wonder why the plan didn't go asap. Maybe it takes time (?). Then again, there are so many in the way.

 

Well, maybe Madara wants the beast itself, not just chakra. One thing I noticed is that Kyuubi possessed a special chakra as in almost looking like RS. Why? Minato did look similar and I thought maybe because Naruto is special. Granted he still is, but Minato has the similar effect. Why? I mean Killer Bee looks way different as human using beast form. It's like a mini-beast. Naruto is looking like a RS descendent. Only way to explain is to say, "maybe Namikaze is special", but who knows. And why just Kyuubi in that shrine.

 

Lastly, refresh my memory, but how did Madara meet Kyuubi?

 

the so6p aspect that Naruto and Minato is having may also be caused by the seal itslef not just the beast. maybe it's a tail thing. Thou all the beasts apart from Kurama never cared about the number of the tails, kurama said it was an indicator of strength.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

the so6p aspect that Naruto and Minato is having may also be caused by the seal itslef not just the beast. maybe it's a tail thing. Thou all the beasts apart from Kurama never cared about the number of the tails, kurama said it was an indicator of strength.

Maybe because the fact Kyuubi is the closest to Juubi, it will have a similar effect of RS and perhaps to make it into RS, you just have to the will power and help of other Bijuus, which perhaps see the inner of Naruto, indicating he is the new So6P. Well, this is confusing in terms of what's going to happen next and/or the whole Madara's next phase.

 

He just met him during a walk LOL

Link me. If it's just coincidence, then lol. If it's "how coincidence," then he must have know.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 01 August 2013 - 11:55 AM.

[六道仙人]

It was in chapter 568 somewhere...

[TouKen4Life3g]

It was in chapter 568 somewhere...

Wow, just read it. Funny, they made Kyuubi more special than all other beast (minus Juubi). Hashirama is like, "Holy crap, it's way too powerful." It seems that Kyuubi is the runner-up. I mean it has all the effects, including hatred/darkness. I think this could be the reason why RKM looks like that. I think I will bet on that Madara is after Kyuubi. One last note, Madara seems to find him. Hm...That shrine with secret readings must have told him about Kyuubi.

 

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/568/7

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 01 August 2013 - 12:16 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I wonder why the plan didn't go asap. Maybe it takes time (?). Then again, there are so many in the way.

 

Well, maybe Madara wants the beast itself, not just chakra. One thing I noticed is that Kyuubi possessed a special chakra as in almost looking like RS. Why? Minato did look similar and I thought maybe because Naruto is special. Granted he still is, but Minato has the similar effect. Why? I mean Killer Bee looks way different as human using beast form. It's like a mini-beast. Naruto is looking like a RS descendent. Only way to explain is to say, "maybe Namikaze is special", but who knows. And why just Kyuubi in that shrine.

 

Lastly, refresh my memory, but how did Madara meet Kyuubi?

I know the kyuubi is too powerfull but it could be because of the seal, Killer Bee has a different kind of seal, while Minato and Naruto has the same seal and it's explained that only allows Chakra to flow though Naruto so he cant manage to enter on a Bijuu Form like Bee.

He's always on chakra mode only.

 

Obito became the jinchuuriki but he's pretty much like Bee on terms of how he handle the juubi, it's like the juubi can merge into him or is a part of himself.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I know the kyuubi is too powerfull but it could be because of the seal, Killer Bee has a different kind of seal, while Minato and Naruto has the same seal and it's explained that only allows Chakra to flow though Naruto so he cant manage to enter on a Bijuu Form like Bee.

He's always on chakra mode only.

 

Obito became the jinchuuriki but he's pretty much like Bee on terms of how he handle the juubi, it's like the juubi can merge into him or is a part of himself.

That could be true, but that means Minato has a special seal on Naruto, huh. Wonder where he learned that from. Still, I am not dropping my theory on it. It's not a guaranteed, but the possibility is there. Besides, since Naruto is a threat, why not kill with removal of Kyuubi. Just saying.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That could be true, but that means Minato has a special seal on Naruto, huh. Wonder where he learned that from. Still, I am not dropping my theory on it. It's not a guaranteed, but the possibility is there. Besides, since Naruto is a threat, why not kill with removal of Kyuubi. Just saying.

I feel that Naruto will lose the kyuubi in the end of the story and i also feel unecessary for him to became the next sage, the reason why Uzumakis doesnt die when they lose their bijuu's is interesting.

His mission is to save the bijuu's, but they are too powerfull to run around to the fact is if he became the sage and have kids with Sakura it will be the "Uchiha and Senju" all over again. when he's going to die.

So i mean there's only one option for Naruto which is going to do something with all the bijuu's without having to become their jinchuurikis, or resurrect all the other bijuu along with their hosts but will left inconsistence with Gaara, and make the Jinchuurikis as some kind of force that will protect the world.

 

I remember very well Naruto saying he doesnt want anymore "Sasuke's and Naruto's" in this world so i believe that there wont be any more jinchuurikis on the ending and somehow he will manage to do something with the bijuu's without becoming the sage.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 01 August 2013 - 01:25 PM.