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[HauntedCake]

But what do you want from Sakura exactly? That she goes guns (punches) a blazing towards the Juubi and Madara? Come on, she the medic.

Maybe Kishi is teasing with Hinata, but this isn't the first or last manga to have someone with a similar presence to Hinata and yet not get the protagonist since he loves another girl.

I think it's Naruto's particular pushy fandom that makes us think about Hinata as such a big deal. I bet you that if we read the manga again after it's over, or at least after it's confirmed that NS will surely happen that we would see all of those scenes involving Hinata in a very different light.

I think Hinata's affection towards Naruto is meant to be seen as endearing, but at the same time understood that those feelings belong to Hinata only.

Well said

[AzureWaters]

But what do you want from Sakura exactly? That she goes guns (punches) a blazing towards the Juubi and Madara? Come on, she the medic.

Maybe Kishi is teasing with Hinata, but this isn't the first or last manga to have someone with a similar presence to Hinata and yet not get the protagonist since he loves another girl.

I think it's Naruto's particular pushy fandom that makes us think about Hinata as such a big deal. I bet you that if we read the manga again after it's over, or at least after it's confirmed that NS will surely happen that we would see all of those scenes involving Hinata in a very different light.

I think Hinata's affection towards Naruto is meant to be seen as endearing, but at the same time understood that those feelings belong to Hinata only.

I don't want or expect too much, but Kishi *is* able to give Sakura more focus than he's been doing. Simply one big moment focused on her (or with Naruto) would be enough to satisfy. While she's getting panel time, it's about as much as the side characters. Nothing big that sets her apart from the others.

Really the amount of focus Hinata had in 615, Sakura needs that for herself-- whether it be pairing related or not.


I'm getting to the point where even if Sasuke's involved in such a scene, I wouldn't mind as long as she gets the deserved attention.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know after seeing that panel i never got the impression that Hinata out shined Sakura or it was any pairing related, first she acknowledge the fact that Naruto protected them the same way Choji did, second her face look more like the AU aggressive Hinata from he movie not the Hinata I know, third she was more focus on defending their key to success rather than the Man she loves, we all knows how Hinata act when Naruto is in danger but this time it seemed more like a group of Shinobis whiling to give their life to protect their leader.
Hokage, President. King, etc.

Last but not lease, if we focus every chapter on pairing it will not allows us to see anything objectively, for example i don't see Hinata and her group being wipe out by the Jiuubi, before that happen I believe Sasuke and the Kages will arrive, but that doesn't mean that no name characters would not be wipe out.

Well at least you got the idea. In my first post here, I went normal and never went to all pairing mode, rather think the possibility of what will happen now due to many circumstances. Now it's more like chance time because we don't know where Obito will escalated to. We don't know what Madara will do but it seems like he's ready to leave for Hashirama. We don't know how long Naruto will take to recover. For me, I'm wondering what's next for Obito/Kakashi. To me, it all lies on that battle. I don't see Kakashi just killing him because the story is setting Obito to die as a man, not a monster.

[Strangelove]

I don't want or expect too much, but Kishi *is* able to give Sakura more focus than he's been doing. Simply one big moment focused on her (or with Naruto) would be enough to satisfy. While she's getting panel time, it's about as much as the side characters. Nothing big that sets her apart from the others.

Really the amount of focus Hinata had in 615, Sakura needs that for herself-- whether it be pairing related or not.


I'm getting to the point where even if Sasuke's involved in such a scene, I wouldn't mind as long as she gets the deserved attention.

Kishi said in an interview that he was going to make an arc focused on Sakura.

That was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far hawaii.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Kishi said in an interview that he was going to make an arc focused on Sakura.

That was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far hawaii.

Hawaii?

Well, we finally in Kakashi and he did say that too many delays happened due to wanting to fill in the hole for other characters or something like that. He got a bad habit I guess. After all, we learned about the mountain being made. Funny, I remember he said Naruto got to wait. Hm...

[redragon88]

Kishi said in an interview that he was going to make an arc focused on Sakura.

That was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far hawaii.

He didn't say it would be an arc, he just said he planned on writing about her. And I'm pretty sure Kishi was referring to her role in the Summit arc since it was her actions that led to the Team 7 reunion.

What makes it even more clear is that in the interview at the end of 2011 he apologized for the delay with Kakashi but that now it was finally coming. He then mentioned he planned to write about Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi the following year (which he did) but when someone asked "What about Sakura?" he just responded that she slipped his mind.

Regardless of her taking an important role in the future it seems that Kishi's promised role about Sakura in that old interview was about her conflicting feelings in the Summit arc.

Edited by redragon88, 09 May 2013 - 12:04 AM.

[MangaReader]

I actually forgot about this chapter today... but I found it to be pretty interesting. Got that two half (Naruto's Battle and Kakashi's Battle) like I talked about two weeks ago (or was it last week?) Anyway, love the Sakura healing scene, it was gonna happen

[TouKen4Life3g]

He didn't say it would be an arc, he just said he planned on writing about her. And I'm pretty sure Kishi was referring to her role in the Summit arc since it was her actions that led to the Team 7 reunion.

What makes it even more clear is that in the interview at the end of 2011 he apologized for the delay with Kakashi but that now it was finally coming. He then mentioned he planned to write about Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi the following year (which he did) but when someone asked "What about Sakura?" he just responded that she slipped his mind.

Regardless of her taking an important role in the future it seems that Kishi's promised role about Sakura in that old interview was about her conflicting feelings in the Summit arc.

I kind of think you got it wrong, because if Kakashi finally happens now, then that means the order seems to be intact, if not a little switch. Not only but in that interview, if he claimed that characters have to grow up, that means it's still ongoing. Lastly, who to say he can't revert back again? Actually, slipped his mind seems to be excuse of "Oh yeah..." if you truly connects to it. When he say he will write about specific characters, he's going to have them in a big turn of event, which may close their character. As of now, if remain the same for Tsunade, that's pretty much telling you that he does have something in mind, but we are losing patience. Funny how he said Naruto has to wait, yet here he is. Unless he means a drastic turn of event that has a lot of his focus, much like his confrontation with Sasuke in part 1, not 2, 1. Point is no matter what, he is sneaky. Actually, now I remember, the one who asked him, weren't they the VA? He's trolling them the last time I check. So yeah, follow your instinct and enjoy the ride.

[luffyq1]

My god! Every single time she shows up it's always Naruto-kun this, Naruto-kun that.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

My god! Every single time she shows up it's always Naruto-kun this, Naruto-kun that.

Annoying is her doing things without development.
Ino must be crying right now, she had to fight against her former teacher and her father just died to get the same development that Hinata had with nothing.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 May 2013 - 12:36 AM.

[redragon88]

I kind of think you got it wrong, because if Kakashi finally happens now, then that means the order seems to be intact, if not a little switch. Not only but in that interview, if he claimed that characters have to grow up, that means it's still ongoing. Lastly, who to say he can't revert back again? Actually, slipped his mind seems to be excuse of "Oh yeah..." if you truly connects to it. When he say he will write about specific characters, he's going to have them in a big turn of event, which may close their character. As of now, if remain the same for Tsunade, that's pretty much telling you that he does have something in mind, but we are losing patience. Funny how he said Naruto has to wait, yet here he is. Unless he means a drastic turn of event that has a lot of his focus, much like his confrontation with Sasuke in part 1, not 2, 1. Point is no matter what, he is sneaky. Actually, now I remember, the one who asked him, weren't they the VA? He's trolling them the last time I check. So yeah, follow your instinct and enjoy the ride.

I dug a little and found the interview questions. It was done just as Sasuke vs Itachi was going on.

1. Is Jiraiya dead?
Kishi : He lives..............................in your heart.
Naruto has to be grown up. Shikamaru also needed to be grown up. And Sakura will have to be grown up, too. Lee? Lee doesn't need to be grown up anymore.

2. What's gonna happen next year?
Kishi : Started with Sasuke vs Itachi battle.
I'm gonna write about mainly Sasuke next year. And Kakashi and Sakura, after that. Especially Kakashi. I can't tell yet but a huge event will happen to him.

6. You said you're gonna write about Sasuke, Kakashi and Sakura. What about Naruto?
Kishi : Naruto has to wait.

In the first question I do find it interesting that growing up has an association with the death of someone close. Naruto lost Jiraiya and Shikamaru lost Asuma, those tragedies are what caused them to grow up.

So would that mean that Tsunade really is going to die which would cause Sakura to grow up as well? I kinda hope so. I feel a little bad for hoping for the death of such a great character like her, but in retrospect I think it would make for great story development on all side. Not only with Sakura, but also with Naruto.

Regarding writing about Sakura, I want to believe he does indeed intended for her to come after Kakashi, it's just that the way he worded it doesn't make it a guarantee. We could assume that Kakashi goes first since Kishi mentioned him first, but it's not totally certain. I do hope you're right about it.

The part that I bolded: I don't understand what you meant with that sentence.

[HauntedCake]

Annoying is her doing things without development.
Ino must be crying right now, she had to fight against her former teacher and her father just died to get the same development that Hinata had with nothing.

Yep. I don't understand what he's doing with Hinata and all this random development, and more importantlly why it's being forced sooo much....

Edit: Not random as such but... this development could of been done far earlier in the manga

Edited by HauntedCake, 09 May 2013 - 12:42 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

The Obito and Kakashi stuff is the best that's happened in this manga recently. Especially the imagery of Obito with the hole in his chest and the symbolic significance of it, Kakashi staring through it.

[swagosaurus]

The Obito and Kakashi stuff is the best that's happened in this manga recently. Especially the imagery of Obito with the hole in his chest and the symbolic significance of it, Kakashi staring through it.

I agree. The writing for that plot-line has been really impressive, for the most part.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I dug a little and found the interview questions. It was done just as Sasuke vs Itachi was going on.



In the first question I do find it interesting that growing up has an association with the death of someone close. Naruto lost Jiraiya and Shikamaru lost Asuma, those tragedies are what caused them to grow up.

So would that mean that Tsunade really is going to die which would cause Sakura to grow up as well? I kinda hope so. I feel a little bad for hoping for the death of such a great character like her, but in retrospect I think it would make for great story development on all side. Not only with Sakura, but also with Naruto.

Regarding writing about Sakura, I want to believe he does indeed intended for her to come after Kakashi, it's just that the way he worded it doesn't make it a guarantee. We could assume that Kakashi goes first since Kishi mentioned him first, but it's not totally certain. I do hope you're right about it.

The part that I bolded: I don't understand what you meant with that sentence.

Don't feel down. Right now, Kishi is cleaning up before the main event begins. Seems like it will begin once Sasuke arrives. It's like in a movie how once everyone comes together, the fun begins. What I mean by that bolded line is that he decided to let it be because he answered enough about what to write on, so he would let his manga to do the talking. As it should be. The only thing I ask for interview is what just happened already, not asking for spoilers, but you know, fans.

Yep. I don't understand what he's doing with Hinata and all this random development, and more importantlly why it's being forced sooo much....

Edit: Not random as such but... this development could of been done far earlier in the manga

Actually, it makes sense. This is fine to me. As I mentioned before, Kishi hold on many developments for characters, so you're seeing it all in one arc, which is why it bothers me because it delays the main plot and just shows side characters' developments, which is fine, but it's all happening in one arc. Why else Kishi had to delay for Kakashi and others. Took a day long of war to do it...

[HauntedCake]

Actually, it makes sense. This is fine to me. As I mentioned before, Kishi hold on many developments for characters, so you're seeing it all in one arc, which is why it bothers me because it delays the main plot and just shows side characters' developments, which is fine, but it's all happening in one arc. Why else Kishi had to delay for Kakashi and others. Took a day long of war to do it...

Makes me think..... If he did the "Hinata leader of hyuuga clan" development around the pain arc then some of the recent chapters wouldn't feel so forced... Its a shame really...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Actually, it makes sense. This is fine to me. As I mentioned before, Kishi hold on many developments for characters, so you're seeing it all in one arc, which is why it bothers me because it delays the main plot and just shows side characters' developments, which is fine, but it's all happening in one arc. Why else Kishi had to delay for Kakashi and others. Took a day long of war to do it...

You see Ino/Chouji/Shikamaru getting development on the arc, you also saw Rock Lee.
Ino had 3 pages giving her development to reach the same level that Hinata got now.
Hinata was just "hey guys let's fight all together", there's no development really he portraited like she was like that when she wasnt.

On 614/615 you see shikamaru grieving over the death of his father and got the same resolution as Naruto, Neji dies she cries but still no flashbacks between her and Neji or something that would explain her giving that speech but no he just portrays that she had development for that when she didnt.
There's a difference on despicting a character like that with development and suddenly portrays a character like that without development.
IF he's capable of doing that with Hinata like he did, so there's open room for her to suddenly went on the fight between Naruto and Sasuke and claims that she understand the situation or suddenly transform into a dragon and defeat the juubi, all the cases are the same because doenst involve development.


@HauntedCake yep basically this she didnt had development to become a leader of her clan, it can easily be compared to Shikamaru/Chouji and Ino and you can see the difference between a character that get forced stuff without development and character who actually had development.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 May 2013 - 01:02 AM.

[Verilance]

Makes me think..... If he did the "Hinata leader of hyuuga clan" development around the pain arc then some of the recent chapters wouldn't feel so forced... Its a shame really...

he did.... all of Hinata's development has been towards this end... that is her storyline in the manga after all

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

he did.... all of Hinata's development has been towards this end... that is her storyline in the manga after all

Where?
The entire arc(not just the entire arc the whole story actually) was her going after Naruto with "Naruto-kun" on the battlefield her only concern was Naruto-kun, i'm weak because i could not protect Naruto(yeah screw up the clan Naruto is more important), Neji dies and she get a forced "development"(which is not development because there was none) to give a speech just because Naruto was about to give up, then on 629 just portrays her like a leader implying that she was like that all the way.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 May 2013 - 01:05 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Makes me think..... If he did the "Hinata leader of hyuuga clan" development around the pain arc then some of the recent chapters wouldn't feel so forced... Its a shame really...

Yeah, but it goes to show you how Kishi didn't really plan to give focus on side characters, but he does need to close it as well as do fans a nice treat. In short, it happened a bit quick but it goes back to what I said. Ever notice side characters don't get a fight in part 2 (exception of Shikamaru of course)? Heck, Pain basically said, "Screw that, I want to fight main character" after the formation happened. Basically, Kishi sees it as a throw-away.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 09 May 2013 - 01:07 AM.