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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I just realized this, but in the naruto timeline it's possible the manga could end within a couple of days war arc.
Yeah, probably not going to happen, but just the possibility is frightening

Yes and i think it will it's not going to last an entire month but i'm thinking of weeks, and i also think sakura will get a power boost after this arc, they promised to each other they would do it together, Sakura knows she's unable to help Naruto with Sasuke, because of her power level, maybe Tsunade will give her a gift after she dies and send her to a training or whatever.
It's certain that the final battle will be Naruto vs Sasuke and kishimoto stated it many times.
Sasuke will be Madara 2.0 and whatever the shodaime and the other kages says eh will keep going with his objective and already said that his hatred towards the village only increased after it.

[rocci]

Yes and i think it will it's not going to last an entire month but i'm thinking of weeks, and i also think sakura will get a power boost after this arc, they promised to each other they would do it together, Sakura knows she's unable to help Naruto with Sasuke, because of her power level, maybe Tsunade will give her a gift after she dies and send her to a training or whatever.
It's certain that the final battle will be Naruto vs Sasuke and kishimoto stated it many times.
Sasuke will be Madara 2.0 and whatever the shodaime and the other kages says eh will keep going with his objective and already said that his hatred towards the village only increased after it.

i think sage mode is fit for her. as long she has the contract than posibility is there. i think the reason she disappear is tsunade ask katsuyu to reserve sommunning sakura. then why sakura didn't use summon? maybe she only just take contract. just look at naruto to summon bunta he need 1 month + almost dead situation.

[MangaReader]

Can't really imagine a break right now. The closest thing we have to a break is is this Sasuke min-arc that interupted the fight with the alliance and that's for us, not the characters (Well, except Sasuke). So far, it seems fast-paced. It's either win or lose at this point, no sudden breaks. What causes me is to think this way is that Kishimoto called the Obito reveal "climax." Climax is towards the end. So yeah: Constant fighting until one side loses, one side being Madara and Obito. The fight seems almost about done anyways, it's getting closer to the finishing line. If there is any breaks, it's when the War Arc is done and finished. The Alliance will get no leeway until they finish Obidara off.

If Sasuke doesn't join this battle, then I could possibly see a break in-between the fighting because Naruto would know he'd have to fight Sasuke eventually

Edited by MangaReader, 23 February 2013 - 06:48 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yes and i think it will it's not going to last an entire month but i'm thinking of weeks, and i also think sakura will get a power boost after this arc, they promised to each other they would do it together, Sakura knows she's unable to help Naruto with Sasuke, because of her power level, maybe Tsunade will give her a gift after she dies and send her to a training or whatever.
It's certain that the final battle will be Naruto vs Sasuke and kishimoto stated it many times.
Sasuke will be Madara 2.0 and whatever the shodaime and the other kages says eh will keep going with his objective and already said that his hatred towards the village only increased after it.

Yeah, pretty much. I think Sasuke will prove differently that even though he may go Madara 2.0, he will pass him by killing his rival (Naruto). Madara failed that, but Sasuke won't. That's where we have to support Naruto to defeat Sasuke because well, he will die. The flashback is pretty much setting up the acknowledgement that Naruto vs. Sasuke is the new generation of Hashirama vs. Madara, when the world changed forever. It's been foreshadowed since part 1, just didn't take it a consideration until Tobi talked to Naruto about it.

If Sasuke does join this battle, then I could possibly see a break in-between the fighting because Naruto would know he'd have to fight Sasuke eventually

I can see Sasuke giving Naruto a time to recover because he wants to prove once and for all that he is officially better than him and Naruto will forever be #2 or in this case, last. If you're not first, you're last.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeah, pretty much. I think Sasuke will prove differently that even though he may go Madara 2.0, he will pass him by killing his rival (Naruto). Madara failed that, but Sasuke won't. That's where we have to support Naruto to defeat Sasuke because well, he will die. The flashback is pretty much setting up the acknowledgement that Naruto vs. Sasuke is the new generation of Hashirama vs. Madara, when the world changed forever. It's been foreshadowed since part 1, just didn't take it a consideration until Tobi talked to Naruto about it.

I dont think so not everything applies the logic "surpassing the previous generation" Sasuke will only become a 2.0 madara ofc he will fail but what will happen to him is what will happen to Madara since there's no villain on this story everyone is redeemed on a certain way.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I dont think so not everything applies the logic "surpassing the previous generation" Sasuke will only become a 2.0 madara ofc he will fail but what will happen to him is what will happen to Madara since there's no villain on this story everyone is redeemed on a certain way.

Yeah, that's what I meant. So yeah, pretty much Sasuke is the new Madara, especially since he has been learning a lot of Madara's history throughout the manga. Funny, he started off, "You expect me to know him," back in Sasuke and Sai Arc. Now, he knows a lot. I guess it was always meant to be.

[MangaReader]

I can see Sasuke giving Naruto a time to recover because he wants to prove once and for all that he is officially better than him and Naruto will forever be #2 or in this case, last. If you're not first, you're last.

I had a typo in my statement (I meant if Sasuke doesn't join the fray), though you got the idea

[T XD]

If Sasuke joined the battle, I don't think he'll battle Naruto once they beat Madara and Obito. I think he'll go and say that he has no interest but just to destroy Konoha and goes away, or he'll say that he'll meet them again for the final battle to settle things once and for all.

Edited by T XD, 23 February 2013 - 09:32 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

If Sasuke joined the battle, I don't think he'll battle Naruto once they beat Madara and Obito. I think he'll go and say that he has no interest but just to destroy Konoha and goes away, or he'll say that he'll meet them again for the final battle to settle things once and for all.

I think Sasuke will go to pick up something on Madara's hideout and then Naruto and Sasuke will meet once again when they are rescuing Yamato.

[Mistraal]

Is there a another option? I just feel like it's really predictable that Sasuke will either be redeemed or become Madara 2.0. I not sure what it would be though. >.>

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Is there a another option? I just feel like it's really predictable that Sasuke will either be redeemed or become Madara 2.0. I not sure what it would be though. >.>

Sasuke will become Madara 2.0 and after it he will be redeemed like the first Madara is going to be.

There's no other option because the story is leading towards it since Sasuke leave the village.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 23 February 2013 - 10:46 PM.

[MangaReader]

Sasuke will become Madara 2.0 and after it he will be redeemed like the first Madara is going to be.

There's no other option because the story is leading towards it since Sasuke leave the village.

I don't see how Madara can be redeemed... he's pretty much the one who underhanded the whole plot of Naruto. If he hadn't saved Obito, none of this would be happening XD

[FoolishYoungling]

I don't see how Madara can be redeemed... he's pretty much the one who underhanded the whole plot of Naruto. If he hadn't saved Obito, none of this would be happening XD

but then the series would of ended like 2 years ago.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I don't see how Madara can be redeemed... he's pretty much the one who underhanded the whole plot of Naruto. If he hadn't saved Obito, none of this would be happening XD

There wasnt a single villain who had not been redeemed , Kabuto, Zabuza, Nagato, Kimimaru,Gaara,Danzou(before dying decided to sacrifice himself and acknowledge that he could not surpass the third).
I think we can pass the entire day, and i also think there's no villains on the sotry this whole "love Uchiha" Madara pretty much can be redeemed.

[narusakurama]

There wasnt a single villain who had not been redeemed , Kabuto, Zabuza, Nagato, Kimimaru,Gaara,Danzou(before dying decided to sacrifice himself and acknowledge that he could not surpass the third).
I think we can pass the entire day, and i also think there's no villains on the sotry this whole "love Uchiha" Madara pretty much can be redeemed.

What about Orochimaru ? .. People seem to be forgetting about him , but I think he still has a very important part to play in all of this . If even he gets redeemed , that would be too much imo . I just can not see it .

Also , another option , what if Sasuke actually becomes Madara ? As in he comes to the war and Madara takes over his body . Right now Madara needs a live body to become the Juubi host and do the moon plan , but Obito does not seem so eager to give it to him . Sasuke's body would also be something that Orochimaru would surely fight for

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

What about Orochimaru ? .. People seem to be forgetting about him , but I think he still has a very important part to play in all of this . If even he gets redeemed , that would be too much imo . I just can not see it .

Also , another option , what if Sasuke actually becomes Madara ? As in he comes to the war and Madara takes over his body . Right now Madara needs a live body to become the Juubi host and do the moon plan , but Obito does not seem so eager to give it to him . Sasuke's body would also be something that Orochimaru would surely fight for

He will be redeemed, if he's not it's already halfway done, Orochimaru realized things that he hasnt realized before his flashbacks and his talk with the third, so many times bought up, but he will be also redeemed.
More Madara will be redeemed for sure and about Orochimaru, Sasuke and Oro are enemies dont forget about that, he stated it during the fight with Kabuto and when he bought back orochimaru, Sasuke didnt attacked Oro because he wants something from Orochimaru and there are things Orochimaru knows and Sasuke dont.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 February 2013 - 01:31 PM.

[Atheck]

I don't think Orochimaru will be redeemed. It's one thing to use JnJ/TnJ on the likes of Tobi because his ideals could be perceived as misguided and tragic but for Oro there's nothing but selfishness and evil in his motives. IMO he went past the point of no return when he lost sight of his original goal that involved his parents. Of course with recent events making even Madara himself looking innocent you never know.

BTW there have been some villains who weren't redeemed.

1. Gato and his thugs
2. Those two random freaks whom Oro was with at the beginning of the exams when he was in disguise
3. Team Dosu
4. Sound 5 - Kimimaro never repented and he continued to fight the "good guys" until the end when his soul was released. The guy was completely devoted to Orochimaru. I wouldn't haven been surprised if he had continued fighting even while being given complete autonomy of his body by Kabuto.
5. Hidan
6. Kakuzu
7. Deidara
8. Kisame
9. Zetsu

Madara and Orochimaru are up in the air as of now but personally I can't see them reforming. They've committed too many crimes and as Shukaku ironically put it for Tobi they're "true villains".

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I don't think Orochimaru will be redeemed. It's one thing to use JnJ/TnJ on the likes of Tobi because his ideals could be perceived as misguided and tragic but for Oro there's nothing but selfishness and evil in his motives. IMO he went past the point of no return when he lost sight of his original goal that involved his parents. Of course with recent events making even Madara himself looking innocent you never know.

BTW there have been some villains who weren't redeemed.

1. Gato and his thugs
2. Those two random freaks whom Oro was with at the beginning of the exams when he was in disguise
3. Team Dosu
4. Sound 5 - Kimimaro never repented and he continued to fight the "good guys" until the end when his soul was released. The guy was completely devoted to Orochimaru. I wouldn't haven been surprised if he had continued fighting even while being given complete autonomy of his body by Kabuto.
5. Hidan
6. Kakuzu
7. Deidara
8. Kisame
9. Zetsu

Madara and Orochimaru are up in the air as of now but personally I can't see them reforming. They've committed too many crimes and as Shukaku ironically put it for Tobi they're "true villains".

Filler, it's only show him being summoned and then parting.
Hidan is locked and i think kishimoto forgot about his character after all.
His fight with the team again.
He left with Sasori parting words.
"I'm not a bad person after all" and in the end he was seemed as a victim of the manipulation of the mist.
Zetsu is just a living being and he was never human or something that can be compared to a human being.
Yeah but it turned out to be something different.
They will die but will be redeemed also for Orochimaru.

Even for Kabuto he drawed his whole background to show him like a victim just to be redeemed and give him a place to come back.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 February 2013 - 02:33 PM.

[Atheck]

Filler, it's only show him being summoned and then parting.
Hidan is locked and i think kishimoto forgot about his character after all.
His fight with the team again.
He left with Sasori parting words.
"I'm not a bad person after all" and in the end he was seemed as a victim of the manipulation of the mist.
Zetsu is just a living being and he was never human or something that can be compared to a human being.
Yeah but it turned out to be something different.
They will die but will be redeemed also for Orochimaru.

Even for Kabuto he drawed his whole background to show him like a victim just to be redeemed and give him a place to come back.

I haven't even watched the anime until that point. The last time we saw Kimimaro in the manga he was in the process of attacking a samurai before his soul was removed.

That doesn't negate the fact that he is a villain who never reformed.

There was no reformation of Kakuzu even during his fight and if IIRC the last time we even saw him was when he was restrained and talking to Darui. By that point he was still "evil". He even made a suggestive statement claiming that "it" (the fight) wasn't over yet.

What parting words? He was berating Sasori and telling him not to listen to Kankuro when the two of them last spoke. Later on when his soul is about to be removed we hear him threatening to explode and kill everyone if Kankuro doesn't release him. Does that sound like someone who's reformed?

That doesn't make Kisame a "good guy". It just makes him a tragic, idealistic villain who sought what he believes to be a better world. He was still working for a terrorist organization and he still threatened to kill and/or mutilate shinobi for reasons as trivial as them annoying him. We might as well refer to Tobi and Pain as "good guys" if the designation of "bad guy" is limited only to those with a one dimensional personality and motives.

Zetsu has sentience and he is capable of expressing sensations such as pain. He's basically a plant monster with the capacity to think like a human but I'll grant you that he's not really on the same level of being as other Akatsuki members.

Kabuto is a unique case because his situation was brought about by Konoha and plus he wasn't really a significant figurehead for Akatsuki and what they stand for like Tobi and Madara are. Although I do think he should be punished. It probably won't happen though given the circumstances of his past and present situation. Orochimaru doesn't really have that sort of leverage for himself. He's one of the most evil beings in the Narutoverse and having him return to Konoha as if nothing happened would be even worse than Sasuke returning. Plus more than likely his present demeanor is just a facade to keep Sasuke from attacking him. That's the entire purpose behind him helping Sasuke. If he tries to fight now he'll be killed without hesitation. Oro is likely waiting to gather some more abilities before going after Sasuke.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I haven't even watched the anime until that point. The last time we saw Kimimaro in the manga he was in the process of attacking a samurai before his soul was removed.

That doesn't negate the fact that he is a villain who never reformed.

There was no reformation of Kakuzu even during his fight and if IIRC the last time we even saw him was when he was restrained and talking to Darui. By that point he was still "evil". He even made a suggestive statement claiming that "it" (the fight) wasn't over yet.

What parting words? He was berating Sasori and telling him not to listen to Kankuro when the two of them last spoke. Later on when his soul is about to be removed we hear him threatening to explode and kill everyone if Kankuro doesn't release him. Does that sound like someone who's reformed?

That doesn't make Kisame a "good guy". It just makes him a tragic, idealistic villain who sought what he believes to be a better world. He was still working for a terrorist organization and he still threatened to kill and/or mutilate shinobi for reasons as trivial as them annoying him. We might as well refer to Tobi and Pain as "good guys" if the designation of "bad guy" is limited only to those with a one dimensional personality and motives.

Zetsu has sentience and he is capable of expressing sensations such as pain. He's basically a plant monster with the capacity to think like a human but I'll grant you that he's not really on the same level of being as other Akatsuki members.

Kabuto is a unique case because his situation was brought about by Konoha and plus he wasn't really a significant figurehead for Akatsuki and what they stand for like Tobi and Madara are. Although I do think he should be punished. It probably won't happen though given the circumstances of his past and present situation. Orochimaru doesn't really have that sort of leverage for himself. He's one of the most evil beings in the Narutoverse and having him return to Konoha as if nothing happened would be even worse than Sasuke returning. Plus more than likely his present demeanor is just a facade to keep Sasuke from attacking him. That's the entire purpose behind him helping Sasuke. If he tries to fight now he'll be killed without hesitation. Oro is likely waiting to gather some more abilities before going after Sasuke.

Sorry but you're not making much sense, Kakuzu had any specific objectives on Akatsuki a villain has the is pure evil and has to be an obstacle to Naruto
Kakuzu i dont even why he was on the akatsuki on the first place he was just "happy" for having a partner that was immortal like him.
Hidan is another one what are his benefits on Akatsuki he was just with his faith.
Deidara died with those parting words and he died with his "development" unfinished, same as hidan and even kakuzu.
Kisame is the same thing he died being seemed as a victim and a honored shinobi even guy stated it he sacrificed himself and wasnt selfish for the first time.
All the villains on this manga got redeemed, there's no exception