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[Qia]

But he did say he was gonna make Sakura more heroine-like. If that was the case, Hinata would not shine so much to the point of heroine right now. So either Kishimoto is failing terribly at showing Sakura more heroic or he was talking bullsh*t.

Or he's planning something for her and people are taking this way out of proportion. No? Okay.

[rocci]

Or he's planning something for her and people are taking this way out of proportion. No? Okay.

i hope it's not her role to be sasuke girl in next arc

[MakeMoneyEatRice]

DUDES AND DUDETTES PLEASE ANSWER! Is it wrong if I call my Acoustic Guitar Naruto and my Electric guitar Sakura?

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Or he's planning something for her and people are taking this way out of proportion. No? Okay.

You know idea how much I want to believe this. But when I get high hopes for Sakura's character development, I either get shot down by him humilating/ignoring her character or getting one-upped by a side character (This arc ... Hinata everyone . She is the new heroine). So my hopes are very low in the minute, as is my faith in his writing.

I'm very angry with all this Hinata "heroine" attention lately. She's a character I've previously felt nothing for, other than some slight sympathy. But if Kishi continues at this rate, I'm steadily on the road to hating her.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 27 December 2012 - 09:04 AM.

[Tsubaki]

Eh guys, I can see why this chapter is a win for NaruHina but let's not get too depressed at the thought of SasuSaku happening. L

I don't even see how SasuSaku is possible unless the next 50 chapters have ALOT development.

Has SASUKE even shown to be thinking about Sakura as of late? Other than trying to KILL her with that crazed expression, where Naruto saved her? He hasn't even been THINKING about her. Only Itachi -__- They haven't interacted with any hint of less-than-homicidal intent. I mean, if we were still in Part I, the times when Sakura hugged Sasuke and snapped him out of cursed seal and when he knocked her out on the bench with that bizarre "Thank you" might count. BUT, for the most part of Part 2, we have seen Sasuke not even bother about Sakura, except trying to kill her thus far. If there's anyone he's thought of more, it's Naruto.

"But Sakura still loves Sasuke!"

IMO she's confusing her 12-year old self's crush and attachment for love- just like Ino was when she started crying when they found out Sasuke would be declared a wanted missing-nin. BUT, even in that scene Sakura treats the ninja in the tent who tells her the guy she loves must be a really good guy, when she thought of Sasuke she looked pretty unhappy. There was no "that's right, I'll try to redeem him, I don't think he's beyond hope." She just looked upset. And this was even after that chapter when Naruto did rekindle some hope in her that Team Seven could possibly be together again. That seemed to me more like an obituary for SasuSaku.

I think that SasuSaku definitely has chances to happen right now ... look at NH! This is a couple with almost no development and then in a chapter, Kishi totally totally made then a possible pairing ( or even already canon) forced or not, this is the way the things are righg now. Kishi can make SasuSaku possible out of nowhere if he wants in the same way he did with NH in this chapter ... and that's what I'm afraid.

DUDES AND DUDETTES PLEASE ANSWER! Is it wrong if I call my Acoustic Guitar Naruto and my Electric guitar Sakura?

No! I actually think it's very cute haha

Edited by Tsubaki, 27 December 2012 - 09:08 AM.

[MakeMoneyEatRice]

Thanks for the support.

Maybe I will write something.

DO IT SENSEI!

[chouzu_tao]

Or he's planning something for her and people are taking this way out of proportion. No? Okay.

First reactions are usually very raw, we only have what clues we're given, and sometimes it's hard to find small clues behind a big sign saying "detour" on your road to what you want. Plus Kishimoto has never struck me as an great story-crafter who uses subtle hints or misdirection to great effect, he often opts for what's popular or obvious. This is Shounen after all.

[CloudMountainJuror]

DO IT SENSEI!

Fellow supporters, unite!

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 27 December 2012 - 09:11 AM.

[Codus N]

So if the entire war arc was just an excuse to transfer the heroine title from Sakura to Hinata then what the hell was the point of Road to Ninja, a movie that features Sakura as a main character, was written, designed and developed with Kishi's direct involvement, and a movie that featured Hinata heavily in the pre-release footage only to feature her for 2 scenes then have her disappear for the remainder of the film's length.

I don't think it was to give Sakura one last hurrah.

@kirabook Tenten is in the back of the Gai and Lee panel, it took me a while to notice her. Poor Tenten.

Well, that's what you get from sh*tty scan quality (will wait for MS's cleaner version) and NH overshadowing just about everything in this chapter.

On a positive note: I love the new Kyubi. He's so ornery. "Stop blabbering or I'll beat you up and eat you for real."

But Neiji...

I wonder if the Jyubi will be injured and they'll have to retreat. Maybe this quasi-victory will give Naruto time to think on Obito's words more and Hinata's affections.

Agreed. I'm loving this new Kurama. He's exactly the kind of guy Naruto can look forward to when he needs advice aside from Shikamaru. He's also the kind of guy to smack him awake when he starts moping like he did in this chapter.

A retreat from Obito & Madara is likely considering Gyuuki just dealt some real good damage to Juubi. It probably needs that one last knockin' around for it to become almost irreparable thus, forcing its retreat. That and there is a possibility they can draw out time until the sun rises. No moon, no Tsukuyomi.

[T XD]

Ooooookay, too much Hinata attention in this chapter and I expected that something like this will happen from Naruto and Hinata.

Guys, Sakura's more development of character has yet to come. This chapter has to be done for Hinata's character and we'll see more of it in the next chapter or two, and of course I didn't consider NH canon yet cause it doesn't turn around in just a matter of seconds from Naruto to Sakura for just some chapter or two to Naruto's interest to Hinata. There has to be something from Naruto to indicate that he at least has something for her.
Now, we're seeing Hinata getting in the lights which the next step is Sakura getting the lights. Sakura's role has yet to come. Yes, I agree that it was a boost for NH but still we got to see more in terms of facts.

The holding hands from Naruto's part is meant to be grateful for support. It's for Hinata's development and for Naruto to witness Hinata's care

[fireandice]

I think that SasuSaku definitely has chances to happen right now ... look at NH! This is a couple with almost no development and then in a chapter, Kishi totally totally made then a possible pairing ( or even already canon) forced or not, this is the way the things are righg now. Kishi can make SasuSaku possible out of nowhere if he wants in the same way he did with NH in this chapter ... and that's what I'm afraid.

Yeah, I can really see where you're coming from. And sometimes Kishi does stuff that really seem quite like asspulls. But he's still know Kubo, and he still does make use of foreshadowing and development of some sort.

For NaruHina, on Naruto's part there has been mostly zero development before he took her hand this chapter. But Kishi did develop Hinata more prominently, such as when she jumped in front of Pain, which I think was pretty foolish, but it removed one obstacle to NaruHina of her being too passive and afraid to make a move.

But for SasuSaku there really has been negative development IMO. I do remember some time back one chapter when Sasuke thinks about all of Team Seven, but other than that, he's show no hint of anything else other than being willing to kill her. I don't even think he respects her as a ninja >:( On Sakura's part, she still feels something for Sasuke but it has seemed so far more like a painful realisation that the person she thinks she loves is SERIOUSLY messed up.

I mean in comparison I will objectively say if NH becomes canon, it did have some positive development. Whereas for SasuSaku there hasn't been any of that, even when there were so many opportunities for Kishi to show some hesitation, something ANYTHING, on Sasuke's part that shows he is thinking of things other than revenge.

[Gravenimage]

OMG!!! Hinata touched Naruto's hand it's official NH IS CANON!!!

Joke aside people please calm down can you tell me what's more effective for a romantic sign.

touching Naruto's hand vs hugging him in more than a friendship way in front of an audience (done twice)?

A suicidal confession vs. a confession that made the protagonist blushed?

You know what I think it's going on? To me this is more than just Hinata development, but I think Kishi wants to force Sakura's hand. He is making her want to confess and tell Naruto everything to how she feels. I wouldn't be surprise if next chapter Sakura sees Hinata holding Naruto's hand and she will immediately feel hurt like she did when she was healing her at 442 and with this she will finally reason to take action. Now I know you people will think I'm being a desperate NS fan but please hear me out.

In the entire manga Kishi has never DONE absolutely nothing to make Hinata get close to Naruto or even have any physical contact with him at all. The fact he made her touched Naruto's hand and tell him an inspirational speech (because it was zero romantic no shipping included) this is truly character development and maybe he's finally closing the doors on Hinata's character. However don't lose hope thinking that he's jumping ships just when the ship is almost reaching the shore (No f****** way because that's not Kishi at all). He's not going to troll NS after more than 400 chapters of development the fact he went this far with the physical contact with Naruto (NOW in the story) it can only mean one thing and it's not making NH canon but he's planning something really BIG for Sakura that will probably make it into the mother of all NS moments that will probably finally make the pairing canon. He's showing all the signs that the story is probably reaching it's end and maybe he wants to make the pairing he supports canon before the final battle of the story (Naruto vs Sasuke valley of the end part 2). As for the NH moment besides being one sided as always? Fine let the NH fans have their moment and have a field trip squealing in joy with this chapter because this is just another bone Kishi has thrown to the fans disguise as a big trolling move from the author.

Edited by Gravenimage, 27 December 2012 - 09:26 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeah, I can really see where you're coming from. And sometimes Kishi does stuff that really seem quite like asspulls. But he's still know Kubo, and he still does make use of foreshadowing and development of some sort.

For NaruHina, on Naruto's part there has been mostly zero development before he took her hand this chapter. But Kishi did develop Hinata more prominently, such as when she jumped in front of Pain, which I think was pretty foolish, but it removed one obstacle to NaruHina of her being too passive and afraid to make a move.

But for SasuSaku there really has been negative development IMO. I do remember some time back one chapter when Sasuke thinks about all of Team Seven, but other than that, he's show no hint of anything else other than being willing to kill her. I don't even think he respects her as a ninja >:( On Sakura's part, she still feels something for Sasuke but it has seemed so far more like a painful realisation that the person she thinks she loves is SERIOUSLY messed up.

I mean in comparison I will objectively say if NH becomes canon, it did have some positive development. Whereas for SasuSaku there hasn't been any of that, even when there were so many opportunities for Kishi to show some hesitation, something ANYTHING, on Sasuke's part that shows he is thinking of things other than revenge.

And the problem is that NaruSaku did had more development than NH, and this whole holding hands were pointed out, since that path of radiance chapter, hinata got a closure to her character but the problem that it was at expense of Sakura's theorically main heroine title, which for me Naruto holding her hand was not romantic from his side like the Narusaku hug, it was romantic from sakura's part but not from Naruto who made a surprised reaction, the problem is it's one chapter per week, for me NH has great chances of becoming canon, but it will become canon if the arc ends with no Narusaku development.

[Lady_duckish]

I was actually pretty pleased with Hinata's general behavior in this chapter. At last, she does something useful instead of jumping into sure death. I was hoping to god she wouldn't sit there crying until Naruto had to cheer her up yet again, and I'm glad she didn't. I was disappointed that Hinata was able to give him a quick pep talk and he snaps out of his shock just like that. I suppose on the battlefield you do have to put that kind of stuff behind and move forward to complete your mission, and I guess that's what I should expect from a ninja, but I don't know, I was hoping for a bit more angst before coming to his own conclusion.

He was actually about to agree with Obito there! I was shocked about that the most actually. Naruto is supposed to be both talk and bite, but apparently up until this point, he was just talk? Urg, I think Kishi severely weakened Naruto's character with that, especially if he needed Hinata, the one who previously did nothing but take had to give Naruto the encouragement.

The NH stuff in this chapter, again, is not what upsets me. It's the fact that Kishi does know how to write a proper heroine. But you know who looks like a main character heroine in this chapter? Not Sakura, a key part of team 7, one of Naruto's important people, Naruto's love interest who has been there all this time. No, not her at all, it's Hinata, a side character. I understand that this is indeed her development, but if after this chapter Kishi continues to give her screen time and hardly any of the other rookies, then I just don't know what to say.

NEJI JUST DIED! I don't even recall seeing Ten Ten's reaction! Gai and Lee looked on as if it was just any other random person who died to me. I was expecting a lot more reactions, or at least Neji's team coming closer, but already he's being spoken about as if he died years ago.

Lastly, as for the hand holding, for Hinata, that was definitely romantic for her, though I am surprised she didn't blush (How can she feel safe from holding his hand when she can't even trust him to defend himself though?). Her speech wasn't really romantic at all and I'm glad instead of focusing on her relationship with Naruto, she spoke about everyone that cared for him. I hoped she would speak more of Neji or something, but again, it's like he's already been dead for a few years or something. :/

From Naruto's perspective, I don't think it was a romantic gesture. I don't know, I don't think this is NS bias talking, but when I look back at how he's behaved in the past with friends and even his enemies, it seems platonic. For some reason when I saw him holding her hand, I had a mental flashback to when he was holding Sasuke's. I feel that he held her hand, firstly, because it was on his face, to give her chakra, and for reassurance.

The NH stuff in this chapter, again, is not what upsets me. It's the fact that Kishi does know how to write a proper heroine. But you know who looks like a main character heroine in this chapter? Not Sakura, a key part of team 7, one of Naruto's important people, Naruto's love interest who has been there all this time. No, not her at all, it's Hinata, a side character. I understand that this is indeed her development, but if after this chapter Kishi continues to give her screen time and hardly any of the other rookies, then I just don't know what to say.

It's really sad. This is more heartbreaking than any possible ship sinking. This story would have done well to have a well written leading lady, and Sakura had all the potential in the world, but Kishi doesn't seem to care about going in that direction with her. People who care about the story dont just complain about Sakura because she's "useless" as they would say, but because she is written as only a romantic necessity when her screen time and importance in Naruto's life should be all the more reason to not write her like that. It's hard for me to articulate, but what Im trying to say is that we have, and I mean all fans of Naruto shipper or not, have been eating gas station week old hostess, when we could have had warm freshly baked apple pie this entire time. Even if Sakura is never going to want to be with Naruto romantically, her position in this story has always been presented as leading lady, but Kishi has been damn right sloppy about it. We have been slowly watching Sakura fade into the background for years now, and that lame excuse that Kishi struggles with heroins (which is total BS. I don't think there's some huge difference in how you build your heroes as far as gender goes) floating around. Well, now that we have proof that this is total BS, I think fans of the manga should feel cheated out of something good.

[Toasty Warrior]

Meanwhile in Japan...

[T XD]

OMG!!! Hinata touched Naruto's hand it's official NH IS CANON!!!

Joke aside people please calm down can you tell me what's more effective for a romantic sign.

touching Naruto's hand vs hugging him in more than a friendship way in front of an audience (done twice)?

A suicidal confession vs. a confession that made the protagonist blushed?

You know what I think it's going on? To me this is more than just Hinata development, but I think Kishi wants to force Sakura's hand. He is making her want to confess and tell Naruto everything to how she feels. I wouldn't be surprise if next chapter Sakura sees Hinata holding Naruto's hand and she will immediately feel hurt like she did when she was healing her at 442 and with this she will finally reason to take action. Now I know you people will think I'm being a desperate NS fan but please hear me out.

In the entire manga Kishi has never DONE absolutely nothing to make Hinata get close to Naruto or even have any physical contact with him at all. The fact he made her touched Naruto's hand and tell him an inspirational speech (because it was zero romantic no shipping included) this is truly character development and maybe he's finally closing the doors on Hinata's character. However don't lose hope thinking that he's jumping ships just when the ship is almost reaching the shore (No f****** way because that's not Kishi at all). He's not going to troll NS after more than 400 chapters of development the fact he went this far with the physical contact with Naruto (NOW in the story) it can only mean one thing and it's not making NH canon but he's planning something really BIG for Sakura that will probably make it into the mother of all NS moments that will probably finally make the pairing canon. He's showing all the signs that the story is probably reaching it's end and maybe he wants to make the pairing he supports canon before the final battle of the story (Naruto vs Sasuke valley of the end part 2). As for the NH moment besides being one sided as always? Fine let the NH fans have their moment and have a field trip squealing in joy with this chapter because this is just another bone Kishi has thrown to the fans disguise as a big trolling move from the author.

Thank you very very much

Meanwhile in Japan...

Exactly how I imagined him when I was reading this chapter.

Edited by T XD, 27 December 2012 - 09:32 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Meanwhile in Japan...

Laughing way more than I should be right now.

[MakeMoneyEatRice]

Fellow supporters, unite!

UNITE BRO!

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

OMG!!! Hinata touched Naruto's hand it's official NH IS CANON!!!

Joke aside people please calm down can you tell me what's more effective for a romantic sign.

touching Naruto's hand vs hugging him in more than a friendship way in front of an audience (done twice)?

A suicidal confession vs. a confession that made the protagonist blushed?

You know what I think it's going on? To me this is more than just Hinata development, but I think Kishi wants to force Sakura's hand. He is making her want to confess and tell Naruto everything to how she feels. I wouldn't be surprise if next chapter Sakura sees Hinata holding Naruto's hand and she will immediately feel hurt like she did when she was healing her at 442 and with this she will finally reason to take action. Now I know you people will think I'm being a desperate NS fan but please hear me out.

In the entire manga Kishi has never DONE absolutely nothing to make Hinata get close to Naruto or even have any physical contact with him at all. The fact he made her touched Naruto's hand and tell him an inspirational speech (because it was zero romantic no shipping included) this is truly character development and maybe he's finally closing the doors on Hinata's character. However don't lose hope thinking that he's jumping ships just when the ship is almost reaching the shore (No f****** way because that's not Kishi at all). He's not going to troll NS after more than 400 chapters of development the fact he went this far with the physical contact with Naruto (NOW in the story) it can only mean one thing and it's not making NH canon but he's planning something really BIG for Sakura that will probably make it into the mother of all NS moments that will probably finally make the pairing canon. He's showing all the signs that the story is probably reaching it's end and maybe he wants to make the pairing he supports canon before the final battle of the story (Naruto vs Sasuke valley of the end part 2). As for the NH moment besides being one sided as always? Fine let the NH fans have their moment and have a field trip squealing in joy with this chapter because this is just another bone Kishi has thrown to the fans disguise as a big trolling move from the author.

Some part of me believes this. That the sole purpose for this chapter was for Hinata to finish her character development. But the other part of me is angry/afraid as hell. Holding hands is considered "romantic". So this is in my book a NaruHina moment. NH can win out a this point. It all depends on Kishi's next move. Sakura's shocked/disturbed facial expression in this chapter may easily mean something. Nothing is really clear-cut anymore. I never thought I'd find NaruHina such a big threat to NaruSaku now ...

I'm not sure what I'm angry over more. The fact that NaruHina got such a promient place this time around or the fact that Sakura's thunder of being heroine got stolen from Hinata.

[neoshadow]

OMG!!! Hinata touched Naruto's hand it's official NH IS CANON!!!

Joke aside people please calm down can you tell me what's more effective for a romantic sign.

touching Naruto's hand vs hugging him in more than a friendship way in front of an audience (done twice)?

A suicidal confession vs. a confession that made the protagonist blushed?

You know what I think it's going on? To me this is more than just Hinata development, but I think Kishi wants to force Sakura's hand. He is making her want to confess and tell Naruto everything to how she feels. I wouldn't be surprise if next chapter Sakura sees Hinata holding Naruto's hand and she will immediately feel hurt like she did when she was healing her at 442 and with this she will finally reason to take action. Now I know you people will think I'm being a desperate NS fan but please hear me out.

In the entire manga Kishi has never DONE absolutely nothing to make Hinata get close to Naruto or even have any physical contact with him at all. The fact he made her touched Naruto's hand and tell him an inspirational speech (because it was zero romantic no shipping included) this is truly character development and maybe he's finally closing the doors on Hinata's character. However don't lose hope thinking that he's jumping ships just when the ship is almost reaching the shore (No f****** way because that's not Kishi at all). He's not going to troll NS after more than 400 chapters of development the fact he went this far with the physical contact with Naruto (NOW in the story) it can only mean one thing and it's not making NH canon but he's planning something really BIG for Sakura that will probably make it into the mother of all NS moments that will probably finally make the pairing canon. He's showing all the signs that the story is probably reaching it's end and maybe he wants to make the pairing he supports before the final battle of the story (Naruto vs Sasuke valley of the end part 2). As for the NH moment besides being one sided as always? Fine let the NH fans have their moment and have a field trip squealing in joy with this chapter because this is just another bone Kishi has thrown to the fans disguise as a big trolling move from the author.

TOTALLY 100% AGREED.
To me Sakura looks on sadly because she want's to figure out exactly where her feelings lie, Sasuke and Naruto leave her incredibly confused and she hoped she had all the time in the world to figure it out, but Hinata's confession showed her she is not alone in her feelings and has to make a decision.
She could also be looking on in sadness this chapter because she's reminded about her own confession.

But the point is that Kishi didn't just put a panel of Sakura observing and listening to Hinata's speech for no reason, there is a reason for it and we will most likely find out that reason in the new year.

I have a question for anyone who has been on this forum for a very long time, if it gets active when Hinata so much as appears in the same panel and outright crazy when ever the slightest romantic gesture happens between Naruto and Hinata. Then what was this place like during Hinata's confession?