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[tricksie]

I just realised something.

That chapter, where Kabuto blackmails Tobi with Edo Tensei,

could that person in the coffin be --Click here to view--

.... Rin?

I LOVE THIS IDEA!!!

[alexander]

It's actually an really interesting idea, but... wasn't that Madara in the hidden cofin?

[James S Cassidy]

I just realised something.

That chapter, where Kabuto blackmails Tobi with Edo Tensei,

could that person in the coffin be --Click here to view--

.... Rin?

[Gravenimage]

My suspicions that Sasuke will be the last villain of the manga has increased especially after finally confirming of Obito being Tobi. I mentioned this a long time ago that in a interview to Kishi a few years back they asked him about Tobi being the final villain and Kishi replied" that it wasn't confirm yet if he was" I mean think about it.

After the whole flashback of Obito which might take 3-4 chapters Naruto will fight him and also use talk-no-jutsu to convince him that his plan is wrong something will happen that Tobi will eventually die leaving Edo Tensei Madara remaining. Another epic battle will follow and after that we will see what's going on with Sasuke and whoever he meets will make him open his eyes to follow Tobi's moon eye plan. This will lead to another possible war and Naruto and Sasuke's final battle will be at the Valley of the End. This is just a theory obviously.

All of this can take a year and a half to happen just like Kishi said his manga will end.

Edited by Gravenimage, 31 August 2012 - 03:52 PM.

[candycane-chan]

loll ..and by the way kishi's writing is reasintly everything is possible though i think that this might be a large focus on romance if that ever happens

Edited by candycane-chan, 31 August 2012 - 03:53 PM.

[Gravenimage]

I just realised something.

That chapter, where Kabuto blackmails Tobi with Edo Tensei,

could that person in the coffin be --Click here to view--

.... Rin?

This is a very good theory because it will explain clearly why Tobi got mad at Kabuto when he showed him the coffin.

[candycane-chan]

well --Click here to view--

it is a good theory but think about it,why would kishi put so much into romance i mean if it turns out to be the REAL obito anyway and if its not the real him but just his body then its likely for that to never happen ,

This is a very good theory because it will explain clearly why Tobi got mad at Kabuto when he showed him the coffin.

[Gravenimage]

well --Click here to view--

it is a good theory but think about it,why would kishi put so much into romance i mean if it turns out to be the REAL obito anyway and if its not the real him but just his body then its likely for that to never happen ,

The main theme of the manga it's all about bonds, what if Kishi wants to focus more on the Obito/Rin bond like he showed in this chapter than the actual romance. We know now Obito love Rin probably the same way Naruto loves Sakura, Obito looks like the kind of person who would do anything for her. It will make sense about the Edo Tensei coffin though.

[tricksie]

It's actually an really interesting idea, but... wasn't that Madara in the hidden cofin?

yeah, but if Kishi's allowed to have holes in his plots...then I'm allowed to have holes in my reasoning about what might happen next in the plot!

[candycane-chan]

yeah, but if Kishi's allowed to have holes in his plots...then I'm allowed to have holes in my reasoning about what might happen next in the plot!

offcurse you can idont see any reason not to,kishi isnt better right? now seriously though was it confirmed that the one in the coffin

is --Click here to view--

madara

it could be --Click here to view--

me

like i said anything could happen

Edited by candycane-chan, 31 August 2012 - 04:35 PM.

[Nostradamus]

I'm sorry but did Kishi got fired and someone took over? Or did Kishi smoke some weed and started to lose it? Because after chapter 573 nothing and I mean nothing made any sense anymore. We got so many plot holes and mistakes that's not even funny anymore, it's just ridiculous.

[The Tax-Man]

I don't know if it's just the translations I have read but when I read those chapters it never said that Minato was the youngest Hokage in fact during Danzo's flashback of when Hiruzen became Hokage he look to be about Naruto's age although most likely he was a little bit older.



Actually he was 24.

Hiruzen was 18 years older then the Sanin and the Sanin's Academy Graduation Age in the databooks say that they graduated at age 6 so 18 + 6 = 24.

And since when do we trust Kishimoto's drawings to tell age or for that matter the databooks? Both have enough holes and inconsistencies with the actual storyline for me to completely ignore them. Remember, it's the same thing that says Kakashi was chunin before Obito and Rin even graduated the academy.

Edited by The Tax-Man, 31 August 2012 - 06:00 PM.

[candycane-chan]

And since when do we trust Kishimoto's drawings to tell age or for that matter the databooks? Both have enough holes and inconsistencies with th actual storyline fo me to completely ignore them. Remember, it's the same thing that says Kakashi was chunin before Obito and Rin even graduated the academy.

kishi kishi kishi what have you done he is definetly not a good boy,he probably hasnt even noticed these loopholes but hopefully will have some descent explanation the next chapter atleast for why obito would turn evil or

if it really is just --Click here to view--

his body

[catsi563]

everyone is hung up over the plot holes when WE dont even have the full story!

we just found out that tobi is obito

we dont know why
we dont know how
we dont even know when

we just see his face and know its obito.....

let kishi explain and chill :3 (not that there's anything wrong with making early guesses though) but dont say its impossible until the next chapter k?

This. I'm hearing a lot of pissing, moaning and whining about this and that, and all before the whole story and explanation is revealed.

This is whats referred to as an AHAH!! chapter. A chapter that throws a major league road block at the audience and trips them up sneds them sprawling and face planting into the dirt., before a big reveal of who, what, where, when, why, and how.

lets try reading first then asking questions later.


also about the edo tensei coffin I agree it could very well be that person. Thats an entirely plausible scenario given the recent reveal.

[James S Cassidy]

I was about to say we have gotten no explanation yet. I am going to wait to see what Kishi writes. Perhaps he did retcon a few thing. Perhaps we missed something that Kishi is going to show us. Before I criticize anything, I want to wait to see what Kishi has up his sleeve.

[merryGOflava]

omg....would people Quit complaining!!!!

come on!!! i went through 2 pages of people saying that kishi is becoming a bad writer! are you guys serious?????

do you guys even wanna here the full story before you jump to conclusions??? sure..we know its obito now, but like i said before we still dont know how? so chillax!!!


second about minato being hokage and still training obito rin and kakashi

wasnt sarutobi(forgot his name...the 3rd hokage) also training kids when he was still hokage? tsunade, jiraiya, orochimaru

if i remember.....he became hokage right when the 2nd hokage went on a suicide mission. and he was younger then.

so he was older when he was training the 3 sannin meaning he was still hokage?

so it seems totally legit that minato is hokage and training kakashi and the rest.

[Lucky Star]

omg....would people Quit complaining!!!!

come on!!! i went through 2 pages of people saying that kishi is becoming a bad writer! are you guys serious?????

do you guys even wanna here the full story before you jump to conclusions??? sure..we know its obito now, but like i said before we still dont know how? so chillax!!!


second about minato being hokage and still training obito rin and kakashi

wasnt sarutobi(forgot his name...the 3rd hokage) also training kids when he was still hokage? tsunade, jiraiya, orochimaru

if i remember.....he became hokage right when the 2nd hokage went on a suicide mission. and he was younger then.

so he was older when he was training the 3 sannin meaning he was still hokage?

so it seems totally legit that minato is hokage and training kakashi and the rest.

Thank You. You can't start throwing out plot holes when you don't know the 'plot' itself. As for the Minato thing, why doesn't anyone think it was just a mistake. During the exams the 3rd hokage was wearing the hokage gear, so I honestly believe it was an art mistake and not something to fuss over. Just like in one panel Obito's hair wasn't colored, did anyone notice?

[merryGOflava]

Thank You. You can't start throwing out plot holes when you don't know the 'plot' itself. As for the Minato thing, why doesn't anyone think it was just a mistake. During the exams the 3rd hokage was wearing the hokage gear, so I honestly believe it was an art mistake and not something to fuss over. Just like in one panel Obito's hair wasn't colored, did anyone notice?

hmmmm it could be a mistake :T

[Hak]

This is like watching movies, I really don't want to spoil my experience with trying to think too hard about plotholes.

Afterall this age etc. seems, in the end, as relevant to the series as James Bonds Suit with magical drying mode...

[redragon88]

Thank You. You can't start throwing out plot holes when you don't know the 'plot' itself. As for the Minato thing, why doesn't anyone think it was just a mistake. During the exams the 3rd hokage was wearing the hokage gear, so I honestly believe it was an art mistake and not something to fuss over. Just like in one panel Obito's hair wasn't colored, did anyone notice?

I noticed.

I simply thought: Oh, I guess they were rushing with this chapter and overlooked not painting the hair color.

When I saw the Hokage mountain with Minato I immediately thought it didn't make sense, but I soon realized that it was probably just an honest mistake on Kishimoto's part. A mistake that he'll probably address in a future jump release or simply correct in the volume release.

It happened before with the paper flowers Konan gave to Naruto after the ordeal with Pain was over. In the next chapter he didn't have them and people where wondering why, some even assuming that Naruto simply threw the flowers away. That would've been a terrible assumption if left alone. But Kishi later corrected that mistake in the volume release by drawing a panel of Naruto placing the flowers in Jiraiya's grave just before arriving to Konoha.

As for the ages of Kakashi and the rest during the chunin exams, I'm sure Kishi simply wanted to retcon some of the ages. Some minor characters now being older or younger by a couple of years really doesn't affect the flow of the manga, it's not something to go crazy about.

I'm sure Kishi later thought that 6 years old was a little too young for Kakashi to already be chunin. Even Itachi, who I think is supposed to be an even bigger genius that Kakashi, didn't graduate the academy until he was 7 years old and then became chunin at 10.