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[CloudMountainJuror]

it's a shounen he has to do this, "blindly" i disagree in this part he knows what sasuke will do and ofc he wants to fight against him to be recognized as an equal.

He may believe that Sasuke is on the other side for sure now, but until recently he's been totally stubborn about it. Look at the beginning of Part 2; he was so confident that Sasuke would return with them, and it blew up in his face.

I agree with this. I was ok with it up until he begged for A to not kill Sasuke even though Sasuke had captured Bee(which everyone thought had happened).

Yeah, that was another example of him being dumbly desperate.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

He may believe that Sasuke is on the other side for sure now, but until recently he's been totally stubborn about it. Look at the beginning of Part 2; he was so confident that Sasuke would return with them, and it blew up in his face.


Yeah, that was another example of him being dumbly desperate.

he's a hero of a shounen from jump comics his attitude is understandabe and plus he wanted to deal with sasuke, he didnt wanted for him to get killed by someome else without being recognized as an equal, it was a lesson for him to learn different than other characters that put other's life in danger in a desesperate move, his actions even if u think a bit put only his own life in danger not someome else.

[CloudMountainJuror]

he's a hero of a shounen from jump comics his attitude is understandabe and plus he wanted to deal with sasuke, he didnt wanted for him to get killed by someome else without being recognized as an equal, it was a lesson for him to learn different than other characters that put other's life in danger in a desesperate move, his actions even if u think a bit put only his own life in danger not someome else.

This is true, but it still counts as a wrong decision on his part, whether it cause others trouble or not.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

This is true, but it still counts as a wrong decision on his part, whether it cause others trouble or not.

it was not wrong, it was for the better that decision made him grow even if a little, before it he didnt knew why sasuke did not come back to the village and how the things are going so he learned a lot of stuff with obito, he handled well the situation and face the reality.
At least he chose to protect his friends instead of siding with sasuke.

Edited by dovahkiin, 25 September 2012 - 04:38 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

it was not wrong, it was for the better that decision made him grow even if a little.

Actually, it's the decision that's been holding him back from growing. Realizing that some people just don't change is something necessary for him to grasp in order to mature, and this decision to continually pursue Sasuke (at least until very recently) reflected his immaturity.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Actually, it's the decision that's been holding him back from growing. Realizing that some people just don't change is something necessary for him to grasp in order to mature, and this decision to continually pursue Sasuke (at least until very recently) reflected his immaturity.

Nope, he give a last chance for sasuke, but it now does not depend on sasuke anymore and he realize that if he has to kill sasuke to protect the village he will do, because the village is the only thing that his parents left for him, the decisions he made until now even if you think it was wrong made him grow, itachi said th him that he live in a life of fantasy and sometimes it's needed to take harsh decision, that why naruto said that he wont to talk with sasuke anymore just fight.
just to add he's not pursuin sasuke instead he made sasuke goes for him, he made sasuke promise that he will try to kill naruto first instead of his friends he just need to rest and wait until the day that sasukemo will show up.

Edited by dovahkiin, 25 September 2012 - 04:43 PM.

[merryGOflava]

he hasnt make a wrong decision even under emotional pressure, he didnt tried to kill nagato, or rage at his parents, he did not give up, so the answer is no.

actually hes made alot stupid decisions XD

[Toasty Warrior]

I actually do like how they portray Sakura at times in the manga. As much as she is a genius that could go out the window if there's emotions involved and I know their Shinobi rule twenty-five prevents them from showing emotions, but sometimes they forgo that rule and just have to let it out. It gives each character a more human side and actually makes you feel sympathize with them. Just remember... emotions can be a very powerful thing.

Edited by Toasty Warrior, 26 September 2012 - 08:23 AM.

[narulsaku]

oh yes i really agrreee with you toasty . emotion can be out of controll. it can bring people back to normal . you can do every thing out of that.

[Namikaze Sakura]

Funny, but eversince part 1 - since her introduction to the plot - I've liked her and come to even love her more as the story progresses even though she was practically useless in most of it. Is it really weird for someone like me to accept her mistakes ( those flaws which mostly make her up) and I truly believed that one day, she'd be able to prove what her name is all about? And I wasn't really wrong about believing in her. She'd been my most and all time favorite character, along with Kuchiki Rukia from Bleach, for more than seven years or so. That despite her highs and lows in the plot, I still love her. I really wonder about that... I could've liked Hinata more? Or even anyone with a bloodline/solid clan/back up story of some sort. But no. I wonder... maybe, more than her flaws, I tend to look more on her good qualities which is a very rare thing to do for most of the fans, especially the haters kind.

I really admire Naruto for liking her from the start. Despite her flaws, he still likes her. If it was anyone or any guy, he will definitely leave her . [I wonder what part of her made him stick to her, though?]

Before I knew it, she became my ideal of sort. Somehow, I find myself relating to her, though not the Sasuke-kun part. In part one, when she was protecting Naruto and Sasuke from Sound nin, her monologue and when she cut her hair. That she realized that she acted like she knew everything, acted like an adult, like she's more knowledgeable than Naruto when in fact she's always on the sidelines or at the back, always being protected and therefore a burden. She didn't do anything at all. That's when she said that she wanted to be like them, somehow, I felt overjoyed.

She tried to fight those guys by herself, even though she knew she no chances of winning and she had no special tricks up her sleeves, she still chose to fight to protect. I don't know if it was a lurking trait in her or was it an attitude she developed from Naruto, from watching him fight.

I knew she'd have a change of heart at some point. Not completely, but is evident. Beauty, brains, and strength. Her feelings towards her friends and Team 7. Her shining moments. I am really happy for her. And now that she became rather skillful and not what the haters use to mock her with, still, they hate her and I'm quite sad about that. I mean, now that she's changed, they still try to reason out her uselessness in part 1. Have they really become blinded with hatred? Insecurity? or is it because it's a big slap on their faces about her development? I don't know, and I want to stop caring about what they think anymore. Haters gonna hate. The mind chooses what it wants to see, after all.

One of the things I admire about her is that, despite not being from a clan and does not possess any kind of innate bloodline limit, still she was able to be on par with most of her friends (whom mostly with a good family background). She only had intelligence and good chakra control. and among her comrades, she was given the privilege to be under the tutelage of the 5th Hokage, Tsunade. Sasori of the Red Sand acknowledged that "useless" girl. Chiyo and Kakashi even noted that she will/can surpass her master.

If loving someone unconditionally is a skill, then I would have to commend Sakura and Naruto for that. While yeah, Sakura started from admiring Sasuke's coolness/appearance, superficial and childish infatuation, later on she began to understand that there is 'something more' behind that good face. She began to understand the part of him which is totally detached from them, and began to care for him more sincerely. It's not only Sasuke-- she also started acknowledging Naruto in respect. Whilst her feelings continue to evolve, I believe that she has still feelings for Sasuke despite everything he had done towards her-- and that's really the kind of bond which is truly hard to break. Her love for him maybe strong but not strictly in romantic terms, but there is this desire to still wish for him to go back with them. It's because she still wanted to experience again those beautiful days with team 7. I believe it was the same for Naruto.

Her feelings for Naruto is surely stronger than before. Definitely one that transcends friendship.

[narulsaku]

sakura was selfish in part 1 , she was shy, week, totally out datet . for almost 50 episodes i thought that.but that changed. and me too . after seeing her in one episode i totally chaned . as i said before that she didnt do anything that makd me say wow. after the fighting with water ninjas i changed my mind . i become a fan of her. esspecially in part 2.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

sakura was selfish in part 1 , she was shy, week, totally out datet . for almost 50 episodes i thought that.but that changed. and me too . after seeing her in one episode i totally chaned . as i said before that she didnt do anything that makd me say wow. after the fighting with water ninjas i changed my mind . i become a fan of her. esspecially in part 2.

i blame kishimoto and his innability for drawing heroines for sakura to be an annoying character in part 1.

You can ask to every fan even the NS shippers if she was hated on part 1 most will say yes, 90%.

[T XD]

i blame kishimoto and his innability for drawing heroines for sakura to be an annoying character in part 1.

You can ask to every fan even the NS shippers if she was hated on part 1 most will say yes, 90%.

Yea but the writer wanted her to be that way so she could have improvements and achievements in part 2.
Actually, while we're discussing this, every character is annoying. They're like that XD

Edited by T XD, 30 September 2012 - 02:20 PM.

[narulsaku]

Yea but the writer wanted her to be that way so she could have improvements and achievements in part 2.
Actually, while we're discussing this, every character is annoying. They're like that XD

hun intersting.... all say that they hate sakura first . but not all 90% ll say . so why kisi drawn sakura that bad . can you say that.

[T XD]

hun intersting.... all say that they hate sakura first . but not all 90% ll say . so why kisi drawn sakura that bad . can you say that.

The only answer I can say, since i don't read minds and i don't know his exact intentions for the characters, that he planned for her character to be that way first in part 1, and the hatred was from some people that they just want to bash her for specific ridiculous reasons.

Although, all the characters has their positives and negatives in their own way.

Edited by T XD, 30 September 2012 - 06:35 PM.

[narulsaku]

The only answer I can say, since i don't read minds and i don't know his exact intentions for the characters, that he planned for her character to be that way first in part 1, and that not to mention that sometimes they just want to bash her for specific ridiculous reasons.

Although, all the characters has their positives and negatives in their own way.

yes i agree but if sakura is the heroine of the serise why kisi wanted her to be bashed

[T XD]

yes i agree but if sakura is the heroine of the serise why kisi wanted her to be bashed

He didn't want her to be bashed, which no writer would want that to happen to their main character, and he was angry at some people who are doing this to his heroine.
He made Sakura's character from a ninja who's in training to a ninja who could bring her opponent K.O'ed in just one punch, not to mention her great ability in medical jutsus and what i like the most about this that she was trained and had learned everything from Tsunade XD

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

He didn't want her to be bashed, which no writer would want that to happen to their main character, and he was angry at some people who are doing this to his heroine.
He made Sakura's character from a ninja who's in training to a ninja who could bring her opponent K.O'ed in just one punch, not to mention her great ability in medical jutsus and what i like the most about this that she was trained and had learned everything from Tsunade XD

Here again with hit the button that says "he cant drawn heroines well".

"angry at some people who are doing this to his heroine"
doing this?
they hate her character that all, and it comes for what he did to her in part 1, he's not innocent on this.
i'm being sincere i hated her character in part 1 and a very small minority liked her character even among the japanese, second every good writer knows that the first impression you make about an hero is determinant.
A lot of people who likes sasuke's character comes from part 1, he was cool but kishi destroyed his character on shippuuden and it was on purpose because he will be the last villain there's a reason, second for a heroine like sakura is complicated, he draw her to be weak and to be like a normal girl but she had to be annoying? she had to be so love blinded to not recognize any of naruto's achievements until a little close of that promise, when before it had a lot of setbacks first he recognize naruto strength to later going to say thank you to sasuke saying that he saved her when it was naruto.

she was adorable but was annoying, there's no much excuses to hater her character those days but the hatedom about sakura started on part 1 and it's really hard for kishimoto to change this, that confession instead of showing her like an heroine he made a scene that have 123243432x different interpretations, and ended up in a failure, then he made RTN movie and now Obito/Rin parallel to give a appeal for NS.

he started shippuuden well showing sakura's development and showing the other characters just to abandon them in a matter of 10 chapters and focus on sasuke and naruto.

Edited by dovahkiin, 30 September 2012 - 07:55 PM.

[Namikaze Sakura]

Here again with hit the button that says "he cant drawn heroines well".

"angry at some people who are doing this to his heroine"
doing this?
they hate her character that all, and it comes for what he did to her in part 1, he's not innocent on this.
i'm being sincere i hated her character in part 1 and a very small minority liked her character even among the japanese, second every good writer knows that the first impression you make about an hero is determinant.
A lot of people who likes sasuke's character comes from part 1, he was cool but kishi destroyed his character on shippuuden and it was on purpose because he will be the last villain there's a reason, second for a heroine like sakura is complicated, he draw her to be weak and to be like a normal girl but she had to be annoying? she had to be so love blinded to not recognize any of naruto's achievements until a little close of that promise, when before it had a lot of setbacks first he recognize naruto strength to later going to say thank you to sasuke saying that he saved her when it was naruto.

she was adorable but was annoying, there's no much excuses to hater her character those days but the hatedom about sakura started on part 1 and it's really hard for kishimoto to change this, that confession instead of showing her like an heroine he made a scene that have 123243432x different interpretations, and ended up in a failure, then he made RTN movie and now Obito/Rin parallel to give a appeal for NS.

he started shippuuden well showing sakura's development and showing the other characters just to abandon them in a matter of 10 chapters and focus on sasuke and naruto.

I hate to admit it, but I agree. First impression really lasts. And for it to somehow be changed, consistency is needed. I just don't know if it's quite intentional on Kishimoto's part... but yeah. She is so much hated, that even her good actions are being criticized.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I hate to admit it, but I agree. First impression really lasts. And for it to somehow be changed, consistency is needed. I just don't know if it's quite intentional on Kishimoto's part... but yeah. She is so much hated, that even her good actions are being criticized.

I completely hate this about some people. Sakura's character in general is supposed to be considered realistic. She has many obvious faults about her, just like real people. She makes mistakes, just like real people. Do they want her to be completely perfect in every way possible? Where's the interest there? Even if she no longer was a humanly flawed character, I can still see them criticizing her down the line for being a Mary Sue.

It's like, no matter what Sakura does, no matter how she tries to prove herself, how much she's changed, it will never be enough for her longtime haters. She will constantly be judged, criticized much more harshly than many characters. In fact, I think she's judged much more harshly than even the character Sasuke( Now does that even make any sense?). Hell, I've seen someone pointblank say they consider Sakura a unforgivable character, based completely off of her Part 1 Sakura.

Sure, Sakura's not a meek, unassertive, defenseless shy girl like Hinata is nor his her background as sympathatic. She's pretty much her opposite: outspoken, straightforward, prideful, fiery-willed girl. Sakura isn't a moe-type character at all and yes, she does hit people if she feels it to be necessary. Is that really all it takes to hate her even in Part 2? I completely loathe that us NS/Sakura fans are forced to compare her to Hinata and then defend her on why Hinata isn't better or nicer just because of the fandom. Honestly, I would never even think to compare Sakura vs. Hinata. The huge rabid NH fanbase and simultaneous Sakura bashers force me to and honestly, that annoys me.