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[Fyuria'sLeo]

What? Those two pictures represent that Nami just ran away, and Tashigi stayed and protected her squad. Then Zoro walked up and 1 hit Monet for his bae after he saw she couldn't finish her off.

Nami ran away because she was protecting the children and Chopper. Do you not remember this?

[AHK]

What? Those two pictures represent that Nami just ran away, and Tashigi stayed and protected her squad. Then Zoro walked up and 1 hit Monet for his bae after he saw she couldn't finish her off.

Also, to add to Leo, she went to protect the kids on Zoro's behalf. He told her to go, along with the others. He was protecting Luffy's bae, and his bae (Robin ). He had to save Tashigi's tail because she got lax in the fight and lost to Monet.

[FoolishYoungling]

Also, to add to Leo, she went to protect the kids on Zoro's behalf. He told her to go, along with the others. He was protecting Luffy's bae, and his bae (Robin ). He had to save Tashigi's tail because she got lax in the fight and lost to Monet.

He said that so that Oda could make a fight out of Tashigi vs Monet. if it was Tashigi, Chopper, Nami, and Robin, the fight would of lasted a couple seconds. When it was just Nami and Chopper, they couldn't do anything, and had to be rescued by Robin, and then left. Nami stood no chance in a 1v1 against Monet, but Tashigi stood her ground for a while against her even though she had to protect her defenseless squad. The only reason Tashigi hasn't looked very strong to some people is because whenever we see her fight, it's against a very strong opponent. Luffy, Vergo, Law, Monet, and Robin. All 5 of those enemies are stronger than her. Tashigi would win against Usopp, Nami, and Chopper. Everyone else on Luffy's ship would beat her.

 

Zoro telling Tashigi that it's thanks to her that nobody died (and calling her Captain Eyeglasses):

 

From someone on tumblr:

Tashigi is named after a bird, just as Kuina’s is. Oda has stated that in regards to this name 'although a bird cannot fly that doesn’t mean it never will.’ I’ve taken this to be a metaphor for Tashigi’s continuing battle to prove her worth as a fighter. She doesn’t just have this problem with Zoro, all her subordinates are very protective of her because they see her as being 'cute’ and because she is clumsy. Her blushes are part of the 'cute’ factor.  This is an important aspect of her character. While she is stronger than the average soldier and is getting stronger (she can use Haki!) she is still much weaker than many of the main pirates shown in the New World and is beaten soundly by Law and Vergo. She is a bit reckless and runs into battle without thinking about the consequences in order to preserve her honor and above all to protect her men. I believe she does this because she wants to prove herself to others as a capable fighter despite being a woman.

 

Edit: A lot of people predict that Tashigi will eat a devil fruit that lets her fly in some kind of way.

[hinataiscreepy]

Tashigi eating a DF would defeat the whole point of her struggle as a female fighter wanting to be among the top tiers.

 

I think coming of winter was interpreted as the coming of change for Wano kuni. I interpret it as the samurais (who are sexist) learning to respect a woman and believing that one can become as strong as a man through her influence which would make even more sense if she turns out to be Kuina.

 

 

 

I imagine One piece ending in two volumes of giving closures to the characters and tearful separations. Luffy being with Nami of course. The final chapter could be Luffy meeting Shank's son who acts very similar to Luffy and proves his worth against bad pirates. The last shot is Luffy giving him his straw hat smiling (from the Kid's perspective), thanking him and telling him to go live his own adventures and life (A way for Oda to thank the readers to live their own lives to the fullest).

[rocci]

@hinataiscreepy
While I can see which pairing would become canon (such as Luna). I don't think there will be a pairing ending in onepiece.

Anyway I agree with you, tashigi eat devil fruit will make her lose her point of story. And she's a swordsman like zorro who rely on sword and sword technique to fight.

[hinataiscreepy]

@hinataiscreepy
While I can see which pairing would become canon (such as Luna). I don't think there will be a pairing ending in onepiece.

Anyway I agree with you, tashigi eat devil fruit will make her lose her point of story. And she's a swordsman like zorro who rely on sword and sword technique to fight.

 

Do you mean the pairing issues will be open ended ? Yeah maybe. I can see One piece following a similar pattern to Kenshin. I don't mind pairing ending as long as it makes sense and is not stupid and I am not aiming anyone...

 

Luna, Sabo Koala Zoro tashigi and Usopp kaya are the ones I expect to be canon in the end.

Edited by hinataiscreepy, 26 July 2015 - 06:25 AM.

[rocci]

 
Do you mean the pairing issues will be open ended ? Yeah maybe. I can see One piece following a similar pattern to Kenshin. I don't mind pairing ending as long as it makes sense and is not stupid and I am not aiming anyone...
 
Luna, Sabo Koala Zoro tashigi and Usopp kaya are the ones I expect to be canon in the end.

Kenshin is a romance historical shonen battle manga.
Romance is important to the plot unlike onepiece.

Yes, I think pairing will open end.

You forget Frankie and robin, and sanjixviola if viola join sh.

Edited by rocci, 26 July 2015 - 10:42 AM.

[FoolishYoungling]

Tashigi eating a DF would defeat the whole point of her struggle as a female fighter wanting to be among the top tiers.

 

I think coming of winter was interpreted as the coming of change for Wano kuni. I interpret it as the samurais (who are sexist) learning to respect a woman and believing that one can become as strong as a man through her influence which would make even more sense if she turns out to be Kuina.

Thanks for saying this! Holy crap why didn't I think of this before? Zoro is sexist against her, but it makes no sense! The whole reason he blushed at Kuina was because she explained that things in her body were growing differently so she couldn't become the best. Zoro went straight from blushing to feeling angry because she used the excuse of being a woman to not being strong enough. That was the strongest act of anti-sexism we've seen in One Piece. Why does this same guy only give crap to Tashigi for being a woman?

 

Nami runs from all the big enemies with Usopp and Chopper, and Zoro never gives them crap. Tashigi charges at them, and Zoro gives her crap for it. He treats her worse than anyone else, and his excuse is that she reminds him too much of Kuina. Now if she reminds him of her so much, then why does he treat her so badly? I think it has to do with her not being as strong as him. He got mad at Kuina for saying that she couldn't be as strong as him when they got older right after she defeated him again, and now that Kuina is gone and this girl that does nothing but remind him of her isn't on par with him. Not even close. All she is doing to Zoro is basically making Kuinas' words echo in his mind.

 

I think it's important to take note of the fact that he only tells her that she is reminding him of his past best friend. Oda is obviously not letting her hear the name "Kuina" on purpose. Not to mention it's funny how we've seen and heard very little of Smoker's origin, but absolutely none from Tashigi. Oda doesn't even dare to tell us which of the 4 seas she came from.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

Thanks for saying this! Holy crap why didn't I think of this before? Zoro is sexist against her, but it makes no sense! The whole reason he blushed at Kuina was because she explained that things in her body were growing differently so she couldn't become the best. Zoro went straight from blushing to feeling angry because she used the excuse of being a woman to not being strong enough. That was the strongest act of anti-sexism we've seen in One Piece. Why does this same guy only give crap to Tashigi for being a woman?

 

Nami runs from all the big enemies with Usopp and Chopper, and Zoro never gives them crap. Tashigi charges at them, and Zoro gives her crap for it. He treats her worse than anyone else, and his excuse is that she reminds him too much of Kuina. Now if she reminds him of her so much, then why does he treat her so badly? I think it has to do with her not being as strong as him. He got mad at Kuina for saying that she couldn't be as strong as him when they got older right after she defeated him again, and now that Kuina is gone and this girl that does nothing but remind him of her isn't on par with him. Not even close. All she is doing to Zoro is basically making Kuinas' words echo in his mind.

 

I think it's important to take note of the fact that he only tells her that she is reminding him of his past best friend. Oda is obviously not letting her hear the name "Kuina" on purpose. Not to mention it's funny how we've seen and heard very little of Smoker's origin, but absolutely none from Tashigi. Oda doesn't even dare to tell us which of the 4 seas she came from.

 

I wouldnt really say Zoro is sexist seeing how he highly respects various women and men. Zoro is someone who wants people to prove themselves to him he wont take you truly seriously if you don't. His personality has always been something that I look at and find strangely normal in life. People will treat others like they are bad at things just to get them to strive at life which he is clearly doing with Tashigi. The word we should be using instead for Zoro isn't Sexist, Zoro is an enabler.

Edited by Fyuria'sLeo, 26 July 2015 - 04:37 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

 

I wouldnt really say Zoro is sexist seeing how he highly respects various women and men. Zoro is someone who wants people to prove themselves to him he wont take you truly seriously if you don't. He personality has always been something that I look at and find strangely normal in life. People will treat others like there bad at things just to get them to strive at life which he is clearly doing with Tashigi. The word we should be using instead for Zoro isn't Sexist, Zoro is an enabler.

Right. I know he isn't sexist, but he only treats Tashigi wrong because he is trying to push her to be strong like him since she is like Kuina. To her he just seems sexist, but in reality he is caring for her in a way he doesn't for anyone else. She'll figure that out one day, and hopefully when she takes off like Oda said she will, it'll be a sight to see. Even for Zoro.

[luffyq1]

I imagine One piece ending in two volumes of giving closures to the characters and tearful separations. Luffy being with Nami of course. The final chapter could be Luffy meeting Shank's son who acts very similar to Luffy and proves his worth against bad pirates. The last shot is Luffy giving him his straw hat smiling (from the Kid's perspective), thanking him and telling him to go live his own adventures and life (A way for Oda to thank the readers to live their own lives to the fullest).

i like this ending.

[hinataiscreepy]

Right. I know he isn't sexist, but he only treats Tashigi wrong because he is trying to push her to be strong like him since she is like Kuina. To her he just seems sexist, but in reality he is caring for her in a way he doesn't for anyone else. She'll figure that out one day, and hopefully when she takes off like Oda said she will, it'll be a sight to see. Even for Zoro.

 

Some people on the internet noticed that one of the female marines of Tsuru's unit had a Shigure that looked identical to Tashigi's own sword. Logically, There are speculations that she could have been a motherly and mentor figure for Tashigi who loved  swords as well. Its possible that her flashback shows that she was killed by a strong pirate swordsman and gave the shigure to the Kuina look alike as a memento which would explain why she came to hate pirates and had this obsession to take swords bad men. Of course we get see younger Smoker (with Hina maybe) and how he came to respect Tashigi and decided to make her his subordinate.

 

 

 

 

 

It would be quite a twist if the last Schibukai turns out to be the very same man that killed her mentor and would be the icing on the cake for her to tag along with the straw hats wanting to settle the score with him. Not to mention that he owns a ichimonji sword (he is one of the teased figures during PH) which would definitely make him Zoro's real first challenge (like an evil equivalent).

 

 

[FoolishYoungling]

@hinataiscreepy: Why would he be in the Straw Hats way? They just defeated the 2nd strongest warlord (Mihawk being the strongest) and a warlord isn't going to screw with the Straw Hats anymore. We've seen that pirates aren't stupid against Luffy. Every fight he has had against other pirates, the person he was fighting was not letting him get to their captain, or had a higher bounty the last time they checked Luffy's bounty. If that wasn't the case, they either weren't pirates, or they took a billion pills (Hody). Also Usopp fought him once.

 

I like your theory about Tashigi's mentor/mother being killed by a powerful pirate, though.

[hinataiscreepy]

@hinataiscreepy: Why would he be in the Straw Hats way? They just defeated the 2nd strongest warlord (Mihawk being the strongest) and a warlord isn't going to screw with the Straw Hats anymore. We've seen that pirates aren't stupid against Luffy. Every fight he has had against other pirates, the person he was fighting was not letting him get to their captain, or had a higher bounty the last time they checked Luffy's bounty. If that wasn't the case, they either weren't pirates, or they took a billion pills (Hody). Also Usopp fought him once.

 

I like your theory about Tashigi's mentor/mother being killed by a powerful pirate, though.

 

I speculate that he might be be in leagues with Kaidou and are working to overthrow Wano and rule them. Kinemon mentioned something about being on a mission which could be related to the new Schichibukai and Kaidu. Maybe, the new warlord would screw them if he has Kaidu's men as direct allies. In addition, there are speculations that he was the one who cut admiral Z arm in the film and seems ruthless as well by killing almost everyone.

[FoolishYoungling]

Z confuses me because he isn't canon, yet if you look up who the 3 admirals were during Roger's era, he is one of them. Along with Sengoku and somebody else I can't remember.

[luffyq1]

op coming out this week right?

[FoolishYoungling]

op coming out this week right?

Yes. This week and again next week. However, there is a week off for Shonen Jump the week after next.

[harry4e]

Z confuses me because he isn't canon, yet if you look up who the 3 admirals were during Roger's era, he is one of them. Along with Sengoku and somebody else I can't remember.

 

Z and Strong World are hard to define, as they could be classed as non-canon, but the story and settings were done by Oda himself, and I know in the case of Strong World, he also wrote a manga to fit the charactors into the world. It's why the movies did so well, and why they tried to sell the last two Naruto movies as written by Kishi as they were hoping to emulate the success of One Piece, and as we saw with the figures it worked as well.

 

I guess you could consider it semi-canon, you could think it happened but the incident does not effect the main plot whatsoever. I need to watch Z been meaning to for a while.

[FoolishYoungling]

 

Z and Strong World are hard to define, as they could be classed as non-canon, but the story and settings were done by Oda himself, and I know in the case of Strong World, he also wrote a manga to fit the charactors into the world. It's why the movies did so well, and why they tried to sell the last two Naruto movies as written by Kishi as they were hoping to emulate the success of One Piece, and as we saw with the figures it worked as well.

 

I guess you could consider it semi-canon, you could think it happened but the incident does not effect the main plot whatsoever. I need to watch Z been meaning to for a while.

Wow really? It's the best One Piece movie. The ending is beautiful.

[rocci]

 
Z and Strong World are hard to define, as they could be classed as non-canon, but the story and settings were done by Oda himself, and I know in the case of Strong World, he also wrote a manga to fit the charactors into the world. It's why the movies did so well, and why they tried to sell the last two Naruto movies as written by Kishi as they were hoping to emulate the success of One Piece, and as we saw with the figures it worked as well.
 
I guess you could consider it semi-canon, you could think it happened but the incident does not effect the main plot whatsoever. I need to watch Z been meaning to for a while.

If the author doesn't consider it canon, than it's not canon.