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Long argument vby a NH fan over at VF. I want to see what youy guys have to say

It's a doozy --Click here to view--

I will cover various topics, and if i missed any tell me.
1)Narusaku is a Bro/Sis relationship for many reasons. Though it depends on you're POV to the subject at hand. you NS fans can only give me 2 times that can only be interpreted as NS romantic moments. In comparison to many times that can be interpreted as both. they will be listed right now
-Sakura asked him if she looked more womanly
-Naruto asked Sakura out on a date
And this is what i think. Is that all you got?




Sakura's hug- Alot of NS fans use this alot. Yes ALOT. Saying to us NH/SS fans that it makes NH a higher possibilit. Though the hug can be interpreted three ways. Romantically, Bro/Sis, Close Friendship. Although, romantic seems the least likely that the hug was. If i thought my Brother or Close friend was risking his life, and had a dim chance of survival then he came waltzing in the Village, first i would be mad like Sakura, and then give him a hug that says "Im glad you're ok" What friend or Sibling wouldnt? The hug doesnt really mean as much as you guys say,
Hinata's reaction to the hug- some NS fans say it was exceptance. Exceptance of what? She was glad, just as much as Sakura, that Naruto was alright, she probably wanted to hug him to but i dont think she's the kind of person who would push and shove people to hug a boy, no I KNOW SHE ISNT.
Sakura feeding Naruto-In one of Froot's post she said she had a "Rape face, Flirtatious" exp​ression. It was a smile which could mean anything yes, but i dont think it meant "I wanna get in ur pants." A sister, or close friend would feed their friend if they are unable to do so themselves. Sakura has fed Naruto before, I dont see how these two are different. That, i dont think, is considered a moment. And really shouldnt be if it is.

Nine tails vs Orochimaru battle-Sakura cried for Naruto and tried to save him from himself, i bet that you would do it for you're friend if you were as close as Naruto and Sakura. Actually. Siblings are generally closer than couples, like Naruto and Sakura.When Sakura hid her pain that he caused him, it was to stop him from worrying, i would or any sibling would too.
And this moment Yamato's unfinished words, as you and I can agree, he probably was going to say "How much you love him" love doesnt neccasarily mean BF/GF love. It could mean sibling love. Sibling love is strong. Generally stronger than that of couples. Risking lives for each other isnt that what you would do for you're sibling? I would. Also, siblings can tell each other more, come for comfort. hmmm.. Doesnt that express Naruto and Sakura's case? yes yes it does.
the POAL. Promise of a Lifetime. As i recall Naruto told Sakura that it wasnt just for her it was for Sasuke. The one he though of as a best friend and a brother. But, if my sibling had come crying to me about her "love" the i wouldve done the same. Not only because of her, because maybe this person also meant something to me too, something i could explain.

2) Narusaku is/isnt cliche argument. This i think may be used the most. In one of Froot's pos she says it isnt. This gets us to the first topic in this section.

-Narusaku isnt cliche. Everything about it is. Main girl x Main boy. The hero wins the girl step by step. Do you know how many times thats been used?
-Narusaku IS cliche/NS fans in denial. Denial mean refusing to excpet whats in existence, Cliche is using the same overused idea. I will admit any couple that happens, main x main, side x side, main x side is clichem but it is not so often used as main x main. Narusaku is easily the most cliche of all Naruto couples. The idea has been used repeatedly and so has the plot. The cliche-ness of Narusaku makes it the most possible pairing. You are trying to deny it is not. Kids, adults, in my school who i have talked to and watch Naruto have admited even if their NS fans that it is soo cliche, that is soo going to happen. Give me evidence that it is not cliche? If you're going to give me "it doesnt have the just get the girl theme' then save it. So? why is it still cliche? Because alot of as[pects of NS have been used many many many times before its not even funny.

3)Sakura's confession vs Hinaa's confession. Two parts of the story many fans have waited for. Pne is genuine the other not quite sure.
-Hinata's confession. I will admit it proabably was just a major character development on Hinata's part, but it still had emotion a confesson needs. It was genuined no doubt.
-Sakura's confession- the opposite of Hinata's. All of u NS fans and im glad you accpet that it seems fake. Because why? it lacked EMOTION. Thats what a confession needs? Naruto knew better, he didnt believe her fully. Maybe the confessuon but not what she said about Sasuke. Before Sai even told her about naruto's love, she had defneded Sasuke and never wanted to give up on him. Naruto remembered when Sai insulted Sasuke she clocked him. The times Sakura has cried for him and now giving it up? no way in helll. Naruto also told her it wasnt for her, it was for Sasuke. His comrade. You try to compare Sakura and Sasuke. But, you cant. Two different reason, two different people. Sakura was giving up, who before she though, was her comrade and now she was the meaning of Kakashi's saying.Sasuke WAS and like Naruto said ALWAYS WILL BE their comrade. If yu give up on you're comrade ur worst thatn trash.


4)Hinata's devotion.
All her life she wanted to get his repsect. be like him, cared for him, even though it might have been from far away. She didnt start liking him because he got cuter, smarter, stronger. So it cant be called Hero worship. She started liking him, for him. Sakura started finally acknowlding him aftr she saw he wasnt as useless as she thought. Hero worship? IMO it is. Love? Maybe sibling love? You can call me Biased but i may actually speak the truth if u think about it.

5)The build up of couples

-Sasusaku-Was based on the care Sakura showed Sasuke in-Chuunin exams, other times-m and the times Sasuke has shown care for her. In the Gaara arc he only wantyed to save Sakura, when he was leaving Konoha, it showed he did pay atttention to Sakura cause when she said she loved him, Which i will say may have been an act of selfishness, he wasnt surprised at all he said "I know that"
Sakura has put hre life on the line for him and so has she.
-Naruhin the way Hinata has loved Naruto and cared for him. She just wanted hgis acceptance and to be just like him.

-Narusaku is based off the times they have both risked their lives and cared for each other,, unlike Sasusaku where u know Sakura didnt love Sasuke brotherly, Sakura could love Nauto brotherly still, or as a close friend. Also, its based off all the development they have had togethr, could it be strengthen their bond? not as couple as some may say. maybe as friends, sibling bons.

Lastly, you guys say u like it cause Narusaku makes sense.
So does Sasusaku and Naruhina.
the makes Sense argument MAKES NO DAMN SENSE.
Most of the major couples in the series, Narusaku, Naruhina, Nejiten, Sasusaku, Sasukarin, Kibahain, have facts , or LOGIC to back it up. So, shut te hell up, othe couples MAKE SENSE TOO.

Any thing i miss?

He's ineterpreting it to make it seem like NH has more of a chance. It really doesn't. He brought out all the evidence for NaruSaku to happen on the plate. Has Hinata ever tried to do this much for Naruto? Has Sakura ever done this much for Sasuke? NO.
And I agree 'bout the cliche thing; it just works. Besides, all fandom pairings are cliched, so it doesn't matter that much

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Long argument vby a NH fan over at VF. I want to see what youy guys have to say

It's a doozy --Click here to view--

I will cover various topics, and if i missed any tell me.
1)Narusaku is a Bro/Sis relationship for many reasons. Though it depends on you're POV to the subject at hand. you NS fans can only give me 2 times that can only be interpreted as NS romantic moments. In comparison to many times that can be interpreted as both. they will be listed right now
-Sakura asked him if she looked more womanly
-Naruto asked Sakura out on a date
And this is what i think. Is that all you got?




Sakura's hug- Alot of NS fans use this alot. Yes ALOT. Saying to us NH/SS fans that it makes NH a higher possibilit. Though the hug can be interpreted three ways. Romantically, Bro/Sis, Close Friendship. Although, romantic seems the least likely that the hug was. If i thought my Brother or Close friend was risking his life, and had a dim chance of survival then he came waltzing in the Village, first i would be mad like Sakura, and then give him a hug that says "Im glad you're ok" What friend or Sibling wouldnt? The hug doesnt really mean as much as you guys say,
Hinata's reaction to the hug- some NS fans say it was exceptance. Exceptance of what? She was glad, just as much as Sakura, that Naruto was alright, she probably wanted to hug him to but i dont think she's the kind of person who would push and shove people to hug a boy, no I KNOW SHE ISNT.
Sakura feeding Naruto-In one of Froot's post she said she had a "Rape face, Flirtatious" exp​ression. It was a smile which could mean anything yes, but i dont think it meant "I wanna get in ur pants." A sister, or close friend would feed their friend if they are unable to do so themselves. Sakura has fed Naruto before, I dont see how these two are different. That, i dont think, is considered a moment. And really shouldnt be if it is.

Nine tails vs Orochimaru battle-Sakura cried for Naruto and tried to save him from himself, i bet that you would do it for you're friend if you were as close as Naruto and Sakura. Actually. Siblings are generally closer than couples, like Naruto and Sakura.When Sakura hid her pain that he caused him, it was to stop him from worrying, i would or any sibling would too.
And this moment Yamato's unfinished words, as you and I can agree, he probably was going to say "How much you love him" love doesnt neccasarily mean BF/GF love. It could mean sibling love. Sibling love is strong. Generally stronger than that of couples. Risking lives for each other isnt that what you would do for you're sibling? I would. Also, siblings can tell each other more, come for comfort. hmmm.. Doesnt that express Naruto and Sakura's case? yes yes it does.
the POAL. Promise of a Lifetime. As i recall Naruto told Sakura that it wasnt just for her it was for Sasuke. The one he though of as a best friend and a brother. But, if my sibling had come crying to me about her "love" the i wouldve done the same. Not only because of her, because maybe this person also meant something to me too, something i could explain.

2) Narusaku is/isnt cliche argument. This i think may be used the most. In one of Froot's pos she says it isnt. This gets us to the first topic in this section.

-Narusaku isnt cliche. Everything about it is. Main girl x Main boy. The hero wins the girl step by step. Do you know how many times thats been used?
-Narusaku IS cliche/NS fans in denial. Denial mean refusing to excpet whats in existence, Cliche is using the same overused idea. I will admit any couple that happens, main x main, side x side, main x side is clichem but it is not so often used as main x main. Narusaku is easily the most cliche of all Naruto couples. The idea has been used repeatedly and so has the plot. The cliche-ness of Narusaku makes it the most possible pairing. You are trying to deny it is not. Kids, adults, in my school who i have talked to and watch Naruto have admited even if their NS fans that it is soo cliche, that is soo going to happen. Give me evidence that it is not cliche? If you're going to give me "it doesnt have the just get the girl theme' then save it. So? why is it still cliche? Because alot of as[pects of NS have been used many many many times before its not even funny.

3)Sakura's confession vs Hinaa's confession. Two parts of the story many fans have waited for. Pne is genuine the other not quite sure.
-Hinata's confession. I will admit it proabably was just a major character development on Hinata's part, but it still had emotion a confesson needs. It was genuined no doubt.
-Sakura's confession- the opposite of Hinata's. All of u NS fans and im glad you accpet that it seems fake. Because why? it lacked EMOTION. Thats what a confession needs? Naruto knew better, he didnt believe her fully. Maybe the confessuon but not what she said about Sasuke. Before Sai even told her about naruto's love, she had defneded Sasuke and never wanted to give up on him. Naruto remembered when Sai insulted Sasuke she clocked him. The times Sakura has cried for him and now giving it up? no way in helll. Naruto also told her it wasnt for her, it was for Sasuke. His comrade. You try to compare Sakura and Sasuke. But, you cant. Two different reason, two different people. Sakura was giving up, who before she though, was her comrade and now she was the meaning of Kakashi's saying.Sasuke WAS and like Naruto said ALWAYS WILL BE their comrade. If yu give up on you're comrade ur worst thatn trash.


4)Hinata's devotion.
All her life she wanted to get his repsect. be like him, cared for him, even though it might have been from far away. She didnt start liking him because he got cuter, smarter, stronger. So it cant be called Hero worship. She started liking him, for him. Sakura started finally acknowlding him aftr she saw he wasnt as useless as she thought. Hero worship? IMO it is. Love? Maybe sibling love? You can call me Biased but i may actually speak the truth if u think about it.

5)The build up of couples

-Sasusaku-Was based on the care Sakura showed Sasuke in-Chuunin exams, other times-m and the times Sasuke has shown care for her. In the Gaara arc he only wantyed to save Sakura, when he was leaving Konoha, it showed he did pay atttention to Sakura cause when she said she loved him, Which i will say may have been an act of selfishness, he wasnt surprised at all he said "I know that"
Sakura has put hre life on the line for him and so has she.
-Naruhin the way Hinata has loved Naruto and cared for him. She just wanted hgis acceptance and to be just like him.

-Narusaku is based off the times they have both risked their lives and cared for each other,, unlike Sasusaku where u know Sakura didnt love Sasuke brotherly, Sakura could love Nauto brotherly still, or as a close friend. Also, its based off all the development they have had togethr, could it be strengthen their bond? not as couple as some may say. maybe as friends, sibling bons.

Lastly, you guys say u like it cause Narusaku makes sense.
So does Sasusaku and Naruhina.
the makes Sense argument MAKES NO DAMN SENSE.
Most of the major couples in the series, Narusaku, Naruhina, Nejiten, Sasusaku, Sasukarin, Kibahain, have facts , or LOGIC to back it up. So, shut te hell up, othe couples MAKE SENSE TOO.

Any thing i miss?

Well Froot, all I can say, the one who wrote that still insist for SS/NH, being the potential pairing and only denotes they are in A STUBBORN DENIAL.
I think, all I can say is, to counter that, "Read the Manga THOROUGHLY, not FAN FICTIONS" to the one who wrote this rant:lol:

Edited by pinkheartsyellowstars, 21 November 2009 - 03:43 PM.

[Froot]

Okay, well, here's my reply. Longest argument EVER

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Naruto/Sakura is NOT a brother/sister relationship.

Being close to someone means you treat them like a brother or sister? I wonder why NH/SS fans don't call their pairing a brother/sister relationship. Maybe it's because Naruto and Sakura are closer than Naruto and Hinata, so, automatically, it's bro/sis. I can promise you that if Naruto and Hinata were that close, no one would be calling it brother/sister. It's a matter of perception. Just becuase two people have been through thck and thin together and act as if they were together for years, it's a brother/sister relationship, apparently.
If Sasuke and Sakura were as close as Naruto and sakura, it would be, instead of brother/sister, true love, according to the self-proclaimed experts on relationships. Sakura said it herself. She knows the bond Naruto and Sasuke have is stronger than the bond she and Sasuke have, which is true. If you don't believe it, then you should try reading the manga.

"Sakura's hug- Alot of NS fans use this alot. Yes ALOT. Saying to us NH/SS fans that it makes NH a higher possibilit. Though the hug can be interpreted three ways. Romantically, Bro/Sis, Close Friendship. Although, romantic seems the least likely that the hug was. If i thought my Brother or Close friend was risking his life, and had a dim chance of survival then he came waltzing in the Village, first i would be mad like Sakura, and then give him a hug that says "Im glad you're ok" What friend or Sibling wouldnt? The hug doesnt really mean as much as you guys say." -C-C

The fact is, Sakura hugged Naruto. Remeber how she used to hug Sasuke? Again, if it's Naruto, it's brother/Sister, but if it's Sasuke...

"Hinata's reaction to the hug- some NS fans say it was exceptance. Exceptance of what? She was glad, just as much as Sakura, that Naruto was alright, she probably wanted to hug him to but i dont think she's the kind of person who would push and shove people to hug a boy, no I KNOW SHE ISNT" -C-C

First of all, let me say this:

It's acceptance.

Moving on.

More hypocrisy. Let me first say that when Sakura thought "Hinata... loves... Naruto," the NH fans went wild, sayibng things like "Sakura's going to accept NH!" So it's okay if they do it, but not us

No, Hinata ISN'T the type of person to go up and hug someone. But apparently, she IS the type of person to confess in the middle of a deadly battle. I don't think you're seeing it; She came THIS close tp dying, even closer than when she fought Neji. You think she cares about anything now? She might not be the kind of person to, but obviously she also isn't the kind of person to confront someone after she's confessed.

She SAW Sakura hug Naruto. She smiled. Yes, she was relieved that he was okay, but you seem to forget that she was already in a panel saying "Naruto-kun... thank god you're okay..." So all that's already been adressed. She was in a new panel, smiling. If that panel's purpose was to show that Hinata was glad Naruto was okay, it would have been redundant, because she already said she was glad he was okay. It was ACCEPTANCE. Hinata isn't the kind of person to selfishly steal someone away just because she loves them, she is the kind of person to be glad if Naruto's glad.

Sakura feeding Naruto-In one of Froot's post she said she had a "Rape face, Flirtatious" exp​ression. It was a smile which could mean anything yes, but i dont think it meant "I wanna get in ur pants." A sister, or close friend would feed their friend if they are unable to do so themselves. Sakura has fed Naruto before, I dont see how these two are different. That, i dont think, is considered a moment. And really shouldnt be if it is. -C-C

Of course, I was kidding about the rape face, becuase I know Sakura isn't a rapist. But that look was definitely NOT a sister look.

It is considered a moment because it shows

1. Naruto still had felings for Sakura. He was quite obviously blushing.
2. Sakura isn't shy about physical contact anymore.

There are quite a few NH "moments" that shouldn't be considered moments anyways, because they're HINANaru moments' one-sided. But NaruSaku has had mutual moments.


"Nine tails vs Orochimaru battle-Sakura cried for Naruto and tried to save him from himself, i bet that you would do it for you're friend if you were as close as Naruto and Sakura. Actually. Siblings are generally closer than couples, like Naruto and Sakura.When Sakura hid her pain that he caused him, it was to stop him from worrying, i would or any sibling would too." -C-C

AGAIN, if it had been Hinata...

Yes, a sibling would do that. I won't deny that fact. But why is it that no NaruSaku moment can be anything other than brother/sister? They could have a child together and people would still say "Yeah, well I do that with my brother all the time."

And this moment Yamato's unfinished words, as you and I can agree, he probably was going to say "How much you love him" love doesnt neccasarily mean BF/GF love. It could mean sibling love. Sibling love is strong. Generally stronger than that of couples. Risking lives for each other isnt that what you would do for you're sibling? I would. Also, siblings can tell each other more, come for comfort. hmmm.. Doesnt that express Naruto and Sakura's case? yes yes it does.


Then when Hinata said "Because I love you" she actually forgot to say "Like a brother."

If he (Yamato) meant in a sibling way, why did Kishi even bother to interrupt it? Would he interrupt Yamato saying to Sakura, "You are like a sister to him."? No. Would he interrupt Yamato saying to Sakura "You are in love with him?"

Well, yes, becuase he did. It's an archetype in Shonen manga for something like that to be interrupted. Even if it wasn't, Kishi uses that device a lot. Only the really important things like this are interrupted and pushed to a later time.

Like Hinata's confession. You see her once or twice struggling with her feelings for Naruto. Then they were pushed back so much, that finally she got it out. This was her greatest moment, and she is unlikely to have another quite that big.


2) Narusaku is/isnt cliche argument. This i think may be used the most. In one of Froot's pos she says it isnt. This gets us to the first topic in this section.

-Narusaku isnt cliche. Everything about it is. Main girl x Main boy. The hero wins the girl step by step. Do you know how many times thats been used?
-Narusaku IS cliche/NS fans in denial. Denial mean refusing to excpet whats in existence, Cliche is using the same overused idea. I will admit any couple that happens, main x main, side x side, main x side is clichem but it is not so often used as main x main. Narusaku is easily the most cliche of all Naruto couples. The idea has been used repeatedly and so has the plot. The cliche-ness of Narusaku makes it the most possible pairing. You are trying to deny it is not. Kids, adults, in my school who i have talked to and watch Naruto have admited even if their NS fans that it is soo cliche, that is soo going to happen. Give me evidence that it is not cliche? If you're going to give me "it doesnt have the just get the girl theme' then save it. So? why is it still cliche? Because alot of as[pects of NS have been used many many many times before its not even funny. -C-C

This ARGUMENT is cliche.

First of all, as brilliantly stated by TwilightLink20xx, there is a certain point where a "cliche" becomes an "archetype." If you don't understand what an archetype is; Basically it's a theme that stories use so much it becomes one of the plot devices that a story must include, like "things are told from the main character's POV," and such. Obvious, necessary things.

Besides, it's not cliche; it's good writing. Would it be very wise of Kishi to put Naruto, his main character, with a side character he's had very little development with? Go ahead, wrote that story and see how many peopel bother with it.

Anyways, this isn't so much an argument as a reason you don't like NaruSaku. NS being "cliche" doesn't disprove it at all.


3)Sakura's confession vs Hinaa's confession. Two parts of the story many fans have waited for. Pne is genuine the other not quite sure.
-Hinata's confession. I will admit it proabably was just a major character development on Hinata's part, but it still had emotion a confesson needs. It was genuined no doubt.
-Sakura's confession- the opposite of Hinata's. All of u NS fans and im glad you accpet that it seems fake. Because why? it lacked EMOTION. Thats what a confession needs? Naruto knew better, he didnt believe her fully. Maybe the confessuon but not what she said about Sasuke. Before Sai even told her about naruto's love, she had defneded Sasuke and never wanted to give up on him. Naruto remembered when Sai insulted Sasuke she clocked him. The times Sakura has cried for him and now giving it up? no way in helll. Naruto also told her it wasnt for her, it was for Sasuke. His comrade. You try to compare Sakura and Sasuke. But, you cant. Two different reason, two different people. Sakura was giving up, who before she though, was her comrade and now she was the meaning of Kakashi's saying.Sasuke WAS and like Naruto said ALWAYS WILL BE their comrade. If yu give up on you're comrade ur worst thatn trash. -C-C

Oh, boy. Here we go.

I agree that Hinata's confession was genuine. After all, it'd the most important role in the series she'll ever have, so she's only got one chance being the side character that she is, and she's got to mske it good.

Sakura, however, getting just as much screentime as Naruto, the main character, has many many chances.

And whether she was telling the truh about not liking Sasuke anymore or not, she obviously cares about Naruto more, since she wouldn't think twice about abandoning Sasuke for Naruto's sake,

As for your little obito reference there;

So, what, you're worse than trash if you push aside your selfish feelings for someone who is dangerous to a close friend? Sakura is being a shallow b*tch by thinking of Naruto's safety?

This also disproves the brother/sister argument. We can all agree that Sakura loved Sasuke, right? So what does it mean when she gives up her feelings for someone for someone else? Someone that she supposedly sees as a "brother?"

Yeah.

Hinata's devotion.
All her life she wanted to get his repsect. be like him, cared for him, even though it might have been from far away. She didnt start liking him because he got cuter, smarter, stronger. So it cant be called Hero worship. She started liking him, for him. Sakura started finally acknowlding him aftr she saw he wasnt as useless as she thought. Hero worship? IMO it is. Love? Maybe sibling love? You can call me Biased but i may actually speak the truth if u think about it/ -C-C

WRONG. Sakura started respecting Naruto since ch. 3, before he became a hero, and long before Hinata appeared.

She also began sympathizing with him and respecting him even more when she heard about the Kyuubi.

You're actually contradicting yourself here. You said MANY TIMES that Naruto and Sakura have a brother-sister relationship. You ALSO said, and I quote,

"It could mean sibling love. Sibling love is strong. Generally stronger than that of couples. Risking lives for each other isnt that what you would do for you're sibling?" -C-C

So, however you look at it, Naruto and Sakura's bond would be stronger than Naruto and Hinata's if they (Naruto and Hinata) were a couple :S

Also, something else I noticed; "Risking lives for each other isnt that what you would do for you're sibling" -C-C

If I recall correctly, didn't Hinata risk her life for Naruto...? Uh-oh, BROTHER-SISTER!!!!


"-Sasusaku-Was based on the care Sakura showed Sasuke in-Chuunin exams, other times-m and the times Sasuke has shown care for her. In the Gaara arc he only wantyed to save Sakura, when he was leaving Konoha, it showed he did pay atttention to Sakura cause when she said she loved him, Which i will say may have been an act of selfishness, he wasnt surprised at all he said "I know that"
Sakura has put hre life on the line for him and so has she.
-Naruhin the way Hinata has loved Naruto and cared for him. She just wanted hgis acceptance and to be just like him." -C-C


NaruSaku, the way:

Sakura's been showing concern for Naruto since before Hinata even appeared in the manga.
Naruto has put HIS life on the line for Sakura, and so has she
The way Naruto obviously loves and has feelings for Sakura
The way Sakura too has Naruto as one of her inspiring figures. You just forget because unlike Hinata it;s not the only aspect of her character


"Narusaku is based off the times they have both risked their lives and cared for each other,, unlike Sasusaku where u know Sakura didnt love Sasuke brotherly, Sakura could love Nauto brotherly still, or as a close friend. Also, its based off all the development they have had togethr, could it be strengthen their bond? not as couple as some may say. maybe as friends, sibling bons." -C-C

See: my entire post

Also see: The manga.

"Also, its based off all the development they have had togethr, could it be strengthen their bond? not as couple as some may say. maybe as friends, sibling bons" -C-C

But... but.... but.... Sibling bonds are stronger than couple bonds anyways! You said so yourself! :3

Lastly, you guys say u like it cause Narusaku makes sense.
So does Sasusaku and Naruhina.
the makes Sense argument MAKES NO DAMN SENSE.
Most of the major couples in the series, Narusaku, Naruhina, Nejiten, Sasusaku, Sasukarin, Kibahain, have facts , or LOGIC to back it up. So, shut te hell up, othe couples MAKE SENSE TOO.
Agreed on the amaking sense.

Any thing i miss?

Nope, you got it all. I, on the other hand, could write another novel on this.

[James S Cassidy]

Long argument vby a NH fan over at VF. I want to see what youy guys have to say

Notice how all the NaruHuna fans always say we use an argument way too much, but never admit that they use chapter 437 as a bases for NaruHina A LOT.

You know, it's not their arguments that ge tto me, it's when they themselves deny the very thing NaruSaku fans do and that is harp on a particular moment as a bases.

"We don't do that."
Yes you do, you won't shut up about ch 437 and Hinata's confession
"Well it is proof isn't it? I mean it is an important moment for NaruHina."
Yeah, and it is the ONLY moment too that even holds water.

I have to ask this, how many more times must Sasuke tell Sakura"no" before the NaruHina fans get it? He has said it was....three time now?

-He knocked her and left saying thank you.
-If you count Sasuke not coming back when Naruto chased him down that is two.
-Then we have Shippuden where he tried to kill her.

I am sorry, but if someone tries to kill the one who had a crush on them, that is like the ultimate "no."

I'll show what a friend of mine showed me

Warning: This sucker is HUGE. --Click here to view--

Edited by James S Cassidy, 21 November 2009 - 04:13 PM.

[Merger Knight]

Warning: This sucker is HUGE. --Click here to view--

that was so good you didn't make it did you?

do you know if there are other comics like that?

[Miss Soupy]

The NS is a bro/sis relationship is defeated by the fact that Naruto is in love with Sakura. Bro/Sis relationship banks on both parties caring for one another in a platonic way. Once one side loves the other romantically, however, it can no longer be stated as a sibling love. Trying to call it sibling love is just blatant denial.

[socermania2]

My god, these fandom wars are reminding me of Harry Potter and Avatar (Damn i miss them)
Though Im pretty sure we'll win.

If Kishi makes NaruHina, I would personally facepalm 1000 times. And everyday the rest of my life.

[Merger Knight]

My god, these fandom wars are reminding me of Harry Potter and Avatar (Damn i miss them)
Though Im pretty sure we'll win.

If Kishi makes NaruHina, I would personally facepalm 1000 times. And everyday the rest of my life.

the only way that might happen is f he killed Sakura off

even then its still a low possibility maybe

[James S Cassidy]

that was so good you didn't make it did you?

do you know if there are other comics like that?

No I did not. Wish I had though.

I know only a few more, but they just speak of the same things. This was actually the NS comic that was up to date as possible, because it just stops short of the Sakura's confession. If I do find more I will post them for everyone here to see as most of the comic I have seen use facts to support NaruSaku.

You know, I have another question.

If Sakura was lying about her confession, why not call the chapter. "Sakura's evil plot" or "Sakura's lie." Why call it Sakura's confession. Usually, when you confess something you are telling the truth. I really don't recall leaving info out as lying because you can't lie on what someone doesn't know in the first place.

More like omission of information.

Oooh now that is a good title "Sakura's omission of information."

Edited by James S Cassidy, 22 November 2009 - 03:56 AM.

[Miss Soupy]

If Sakura was lying about her confession, why not call the chapter. "Sakura's evil plot" or "Sakura's lie." Why call it Sakura's confession. Usually, when you confess something you are telling the truth. I really don't recall leaving info out as lying because you can't lie on what someone doesn't know in the first place.

Oooh now that is a good title "Sakura's omission of information."

Very true. It's interesting that from the NH/SS standpoint, Sakura does love Naruto at least in a platonic way. Yet, the confession is completely false... She told Naruto for the first time that she loved him. How is Sakura lying then? If she does love Naruto on some level, how is telling him that she loves him false?

[narusakuluv]

Just a quick reply to the sibling love argument that NH from VF kept making: They said that the reason Naruto and Sakura care so deeply for each other is because they share a sibling bond, which is apparently stronger than that of a couple. It may be true that many people love their sisters more than their girlfriends or their brothers more than their boyfriends, but people who are truly in love share more love than siblings do. This is important because it is extremely likely that when Naruto finally does end up with someone it will be his one true love, because that is the kind of story this is.

[Devil Keyz]

Don't feed the trolls... 'Sakura and Naruto are just MENT to be together.'' isn't really a good argument. We prefer to stray from weak arguments like that. (Makes NS fans look bad )

I'm cautiously optimistic, but never cocky.

its not a argument, it's a fact

[James S Cassidy]

Just a quick reply to the sibling love argument that NH from VF kept making: They said that the reason Naruto and Sakura care so deeply for each other is because they share a sibling bond, which is apparently stronger than that of a couple. It may be true that many people love their sisters more than their girlfriends or their brothers more than their boyfriends, but people who are truly in love share more love than siblings do. This is important because it is extremely likely that when Naruto finally does end up with someone it will be his one true love, because that is the kind of story this is.

Right because we all know dating your sibling...or wanting to go on a date with your brother and sister...is perfectly normal.

Wait...Siblings care more about each other than a love bond? Does that mean Hinata loves Naruto only as a brother? Would explain why she risked her life. Only a sibling would risk their life like that.

[ciardha]

Right because we all know dating your sibling...or wanting to go on a date with your brother and sister...is perfectly normal.

Wait...Siblings care more about each other than a love bond? Does that mean Hinata loves Naruto only as a brother? Would explain why she risked her life. Only a sibling would risk their life like that.

Heh, it's so easy to turn that argument right back on them.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Heh, it's so easy to turn that argument right back on them.

Yes it is, I wish they never make it so easy for us.

[Froot]

Oh, I don't mind it. In fact, we might as well stop debating against them, because they're doing it for us

[RyrineaHaruno]

Oh, I don't mind it. In fact, we might as well stop debating against them, because they're doing it for us

So true, they are loosing the debate themselves.

[Lazy-Genius]

Spoilers from the yet-to-be released databook --Click here to view--

Besides Naruto looking awesome with the hat, if you look at the rectangular picture that's tilted on it's side with a bunch of people in it, Sakura has her arm around Naruto's shoulders

[Derock]

Spoilers from the yet-to-be released databook --Click here to view--

Besides Naruto looking awesome with the hat, if you look at the rectangular picture that's tilted on it's side with a bunch of people in it, Sakura has her arm around Naruto's shoulders

No arm. That's furigana on top of the kanji.

[neotranspunk]

hello guys!

long time member/lurker here, just wanna say hello and post for once rather than just reading. Has anyone else notice there are no real NH arguments? all i ever really hear is people saying why they think NS doesnt work, rather than why they believe that NH does. Seriously, from all the arguments ive heard, its like NH fans are more Anti-NS than they are pro-NH. Rather then giving evidence of why NH makes sense, they make arguments based on assumptions of why NS wont work. Just my thoughts, peace!