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[VanitasDS76491]

sorry then, yeah that we can agree on. sorry I just get annoyed whenever these kinda things come up since the last time that whole argument happened with ball of lies over this dragon ball/naruto mess. doesn't matter how low dragon ball gets, I think we can agree it will never be as bad as naruto and toriyama will always be better than copout kishi.

Yes, that is right. Hell the bleach ending isn't as bad as naruto. Dragon ball for all the low point isn't still better than naruto and one piece for its low,points f their are any cause I haven't read/watched it yet but will soon I just need a couple more cold and collection to start from the beginning to skypia.

[ultranx]

 

SP is still a company with Naruto as their biggest product, and its currently on the rocks. From what 4Life has said Boruto has been moved from Thursday after Pokemon (which gave Naruto a boost in ratings) to Wednesday the same time which another one of their anime failed. Naruto's animation team along with some of the writers and directors maybe hinata fans but that does not mean the entire company is. SP relies on Naruto (and now Boruto) to keep the company afloat if their other anime don't pan out. Which is why they put a director and a writer that have never work on Naruto in charge. They are less likely to be apart of the hinata fanatics that are pissing off their viewers.

this is Ironic, I said the same thing to you before in that past thread that just because some people in shueisha pushed for this stupid boruto mess didn't mean db super would turn out the same way and that the heads of shonen jump do not run the entire company because shonen jump is just one magazine of one department and the heads of the company do not head all the magazines and departments, they have different people working for them in charge of each department and magazine, so dragon ball super and dragon ball as a whole can not be ruined by them because they don't run it, a different magazine with different people in charge does and its supervised by toriyama and what he says goes because he's no longer in a contract. yet when I told you this you acted like otherwise and acted like the entire company was bad and that the company ceos were in charge of what went in every magazine.

 just because they still have rights to the propriety doesn't mean toriyama has a contract with them still, if he did he'd have to do what they tell him and would be letting them govern what went on in db super. last I checked he quit completely after the manga ended  22 years ago and then only continued after his frustration over dragon ball evolution and through fan requests, not because of them. kishiot on the other hand still has a contract even after the ending so he has to do whatever they say, hence why he's constantly spouting crap in interviews and supervising.

Edited by ultranx, 27 March 2017 - 01:40 AM.

[unhskikrforever]

Kishimoto may be the mangaka of Naruto and the ending was made by him, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't influenced/pressured by the people he works for. He may have made the ending nH, but it was SP and his editors that wanted it to be nH. From what people have said about him; Kishimoto is the type of person that eventually gives into pressure. Also he is not an mangaka doing it for the art, it is his job. He enjoys it of course but it is still his job. If his bosses wanted him to end Naruto up with one person or another he will do so. SP has a very close relationship with Shounen Jump and it parent company Shueisha. They could easily ask for them to help pressure kishi to have nH be the main pairing, especially if they bring up that "the majority of the international fanbase is nH."
 
The only people that like the ending were SS an nH fans, and even by how they are acting we can see how well that went.

I never said he was never pressured by his colleagues or readers. I just said that he's the writer, the artist, the creator. Naruto was his. I don't see why he can't hold his own dignity as a writer and complete the manga in his own way and had to listen to others. Sure, people love Naruto. I guess if he listened to others, he didn't hold on to this own ideas enough to actually write it down. You could say he wrote it for money? Or he wrote it for his fans? What fans, exactly? NH fans? Is that all?

He might have started the manga because of his own reasons, but I'm just saying he must have lost his way. You're not suppose to tarnish your image, or your manga's just because "you get tired of it". He could have ended it long ago before he even gotten tired. And of course, he has people working for him and with him and he'd have to listen to them. But at least make it more logical.

Naruto passing off his love for Sakura as a rivalry of Sasuke? How does that make any sense? I just hope he knows how wrong and off it is for Sakura or Naruto to think that. And if there's a backstory where Sakura had to say that just because she thinks she doesn't deserve him and vise versa, then show us. At least that makes more sense than what was shown on the manga or on-screen.

Anyway, yeah. They're still complaining and bashing NS fans. Guess they're not satisfied with how the series went either.

[ultranx]

I never said he was never pressured by his colleagues or readers. I just said that he's the writer, the artist, the creator. Naruto was his. I don't see why he can't hold his own dignity as a writer and complete the manga in his own way and had to listen to others. Sure, people love Naruto. I guess if he listened to others, he didn't hold on to this own ideas enough to actually write it down. You could say he wrote it for money? Or he wrote it for his fans? What fans, exactly? NH fans? Is that all?

He might have started the manga because of his own reasons, but I'm just saying he must have lost his way. You're not suppose to tarnish your image, or your manga's just because "you get tired of it". He could have ended it long ago before he even gotten tired. And of course, he has people working for him and with him and he'd have to listen to them. But at least make it more logical.

Naruto passing off his love for Sakura as a rivalry of Sasuke? How does that make any sense? I just hope he knows how wrong and off it is for Sakura or Naruto to think that. And if there's a backstory where Sakura had to say that just because she thinks she doesn't deserve him and vise versa, then show us. At least that makes more sense than what was shown on the manga or on-screen.

Anyway, yeah. They're still complaining and bashing NS fans. Guess they're not satisfied with how the series went either.

the pro enders are a lost cause anyway I say we just ignore them, they'll never give the fan bashing a rest because they obviously have nothing better to do and have no life, we on the other hand have lives and have moved on to other things better than nardo.

[Bail o' Lies]

I never said he was never pressured by his colleagues or readers. I just said that he's the writer, the artist, the creator. Naruto was his. I don't see why he can't hold his own dignity as a writer and complete the manga in his own way and had to listen to others. Sure, people love Naruto. I guess if he listened to others, he didn't hold on to this own ideas enough to actually write it down. You could say he wrote it for money? Or he wrote it for his fans? What fans, exactly? NH fans? Is that all?

He might have started the manga because of his own reasons, but I'm just saying he must have lost his way. You're not suppose to tarnish your image, or your manga's just because "you get tired of it". He could have ended it long ago before he even gotten tired. And of course, he has people working for him and with him and he'd have to listen to them. But at least make it more logical.

Naruto passing off his love for Sakura as a rivalry of Sasuke? How does that make any sense? I just hope he knows how wrong and off it is for Sakura or Naruto to think that. And if there's a backstory where Sakura had to say that just because she thinks she doesn't deserve him and vise versa, then show us. At least that makes more sense than what was shown on the manga or on-screen.

Anyway, yeah. They're still complaining and bashing NS fans. Guess they're not satisfied with how the series went either.

...I did say the ending was made by Kishimoto? Was I denying that? I brought up that Kishimoto was influenced at the very least by his editors showing him fan letters and youtube reviewers videos (he has mentioned that in several interviews since the ending.) That was part of the reason he agreed to have the ending be nH. Since that's what he was convinced what the fans wanted by his editors' efforts. He wanted to leave the series to work on other projects. SP and SJ wanted The Naruto Franchise to continue. They figured the best way to do it without Kishi would be to have a sequel about Naruto's kid. They considered the international fanbase (that they believed wanted nH) more important then their homelands fanbase (that were at best indifferent towards the pairing.) Instead nothing panned out they way they wanted to, and kishi still around as editor while the Naruto franchise has fallen apart.

 

Naruto did not pass off his love for Sakura by way of rivalry that was Sakura.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 27 March 2017 - 06:52 AM.

[unhskikrforever]

...I did say the ending was made by Kishimoto? Was I denying that? I brought up that Kishimoto was influenced at the very least by his editors showing him fan letters and youtube reviewers videos (he has mentioned that in several interviews since the ending.) That was part of the reason he agreed to have the ending be nH. Since that's what he was convinced what the fans wanted by his editors' efforts. He wanted to leave the series to work on other projects. SP and SJ wanted The Naruto Franchise to continue. They figured the best way to do it without Kishi would be to have a sequel about Naruto's kid. They considered the international fanbase (that they believed wanted nH) more important then their homelands fanbase (that were at best indifferent towards the pairing.) Instead nothing panned out they way they wanted to, and kishi still around as editor while the Naruto franchise has fallen apart.
 
Naruto did not pass off his love for Sakura by way of rivalry that was Sakura.

And I never said that you denied Kishimoto made the ending. I wasn't directing it to you, but indirectly to Kishimoto and his team. Otherwise, I get what you're saying.

Yeah, I wrote that wrongly. But I'm going to believe that Naruto thinks that way too rather than knowing that he might have not deny that because he decided to give her up to Sasuke.

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For good or for bad kishi is easily to influence. Part 1 because because the input from yahagi. So no wonder he put other people opinion as it make him kind if successful.

[Catra]

so i just saw power rangers. i remember i used to make naruto characters power rangers back in the day. *sigh*

[rocci]

@catra
Is that movie good or entertaining at least?

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

the pro enders are a lost cause anyway I say we just ignore them, they'll never give the fan bashing a rest because they obviously have nothing better to do and have no life, we on the other hand have lives and have moved on to other things better than nardo.

They know their ending is crap and was only handed to them out of pity rather than truly earned and it's that additional insecurity that leads them to feel a need to keep bashing NS, because they just need to find any way to "justify" or "legitimize" their pairing, but they can ONLY do that by constantly trying to put down the opposition rather than strengthening their own stance, because their stance has NO strength.

[VanitasDS76491]

so i just saw power rangers. i remember i used to make naruto characters power rangers back in the day. *sigh*

I still thinking about making them rangers in fact my version of naruto I incorporate all the seasons and two new ones it`s over the series before naruto's gen and during shina' s gen I'd go into more but it's long and complexit. I saw the movie and its Good as far as reboots go. The problem is they needed to get in the suits faster and be in them movie. I like the new takes on the characters making trini a lesbian was interesting. Rita is more intimidating and the Jason David Frank and Amy jo Johnson cameos were nice but I feel like if they got Austin, Walter and David back it be good showing the old team with the new old. And that tease with Tommy at the end.

[Catra]

agreed. i understand and respect their decision to focus more on character building but my gosh they had less time than godzilla did in the 2014 movie. at least they were still the rangers and they didn't focus on someone else or some kid (looking at you 95 movie). i have no problem with the new Trini, in fact i think she was the least developed in the show back in the day so, they can do whatever they like to her. i loved the fascinating opening! and i would have loved for it to be a longer prologue like krypton was handled in man of steel. i teared up a couple times, Im torn about the theme, on one hand im glad they put it in there at all but on the other, its so short. eh, its a take it or leave it thing i guess. i heard they might make Tommy a girl. I'll accept it on one condition; dont have an agenda before her, simply dont have her wear her privates and chromosomes as a badge of honor to the point she stops being a character.

[VanitasDS76491]

agreed. i understand and respect their decision to focus more on character building but my gosh they had less time than godzilla did in the 2014 movie. at least they were still the rangers and they didn't focus on someone else or some kid (looking at you 95 movie). i have no problem with the new Trini, in fact i think she was the least developed in the show back in the day so, they can do whatever they like to her. i loved the fascinating opening! and i would have loved for it to be a longer prologue like krypton was handled in man of steel. i teared up a couple times, Im torn about the theme, on one hand im glad they put it in there at all but on the other, its so short. eh, its a take it or leave it thing i guess. i heard they might make Tommy a girl. I'll accept it on one condition; dont have an agenda before her, simply dont have her wear her privates and chromosomes as a badge of honor to the point she stops being a character.

Don't you mean the turbo movie with justin. Tommy as a girl could work. For what the movie was good. I like seeing zordon before he hen to the wall which was different and I like this alpha more. Someone actually yelled out in glee when alpha did his catch phase. Trini really didn't do much before she left and I'm wondering how they'd do trini from the show since the person who played her is dead unless they the tarkin route from rogue one.

[Catra]

the 95 movie had a kid.

[T XD]

What's the rate you'd give Power Rangers 2017 ? I'm kinda excited to see it in cinemas these last two weeks.

Edited by T XD, 29 March 2017 - 09:07 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

the 95 movie had a kid.

Oh ya it did with fred right, it's been so long since I saw that movie.

[VanitasDS76491]

What's the rate you'd give Power Rangers 2017 ? I'm kinda excited to see it in cinemas these last two weeks.

7/10 it's good but not as bad as the turbo movie. It's got problems, the characters are actually teenagers with attitude something the actual show did only with a few episodes.

[T XD]

7/10 it's good but not as bad as the turbo movie. It's got problems, the characters are actually teenagers with attitude something the actual show did only with a few episodes.

Teenagers as in they're in high school or acting like teenagers ?

[VanitasDS76491]

Teenagers as in they're in high school or acting like teenagers ?

Both really since Jason, Kimberly and Billy are in detention on the beginning, and I think Zack and trini join at the end, I know Zack does. We also tease Tommy for the next movie. We also get a cameo at the end by Jason David Frank and Amy jo Johnson and just those two.

[T XD]

Both really since Jason, Kimberly and Billy are in detention on the beginning, and I think Zack and trini join at the end, I know Zack does. We also tease Tommy for the next movie. We also get a cameo at the end by Jason David Frank and Amy jo Johnson and just those two.

Meaning there's Part 2 possibly.