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[RyrineaHaruno]

Big breasts and plus she's submissive with her only thoughts being about Naruto.

True

[Jenskott]

Big breasts and plus she's submissive with her only thoughts being about Naruto.

That sounds like a fairly comprehensive summary: she's big-breasted, quiet, submissive and thinks Naruto is just sooooooo cool (but when he gets hit, she panics).

Oh, and she's rich. Seriously, I have heard people telling that.

I have also heard NH fans stating Hinata is perfect for Naruto because he's a slob and he needs a good housewife.

Let's just ignore for one instant how incredibly sexist sounds that, stop banging our heads on the nearest brick wall and let's examine facts logically: Hinata belongs to an old, rich clan, so it's likely her father employs servants and she has never done actual housework; Sakura belongs to an unimportant family, and her parents are very severe, so she must be used to make housework -and her bedroom was tidy-; and most importantly, Naruto wishes one wife, not a housemaid (unfortunately for those NH fans).

And then you have people who pities Hinata and wants she has what they think she thinks she wants because she deserves it after all what she has suffered.

I think most male NH fans ship NaruHina because they like women like Hinata, or are Naruto fans want he hooks up with the buxom, soft-spoken and meek girl has always crushed on him and thinks he is so marvelous and amazing. I'm QUITE certain if she wasn't so obsessed with Naruto, they wouldn't care about her.

And then you have SS shippers supporting NH because it removes the person Sasuke and Sakura care most over (or in the case of Sasuke, I should tell "cared" instead). Unfortuntately for them, removing Naruto of the equation doesn't change two important facts: Sasuke doesn't love Sakura and Sakura has given up on Sasuke.

[James S Cassidy]

You know while I always thought Hinata was cute, she was too...submissive. I dislike the female who is what I call the "barbie doll." A girl who is sensitive to everything, always panics, and always wants the man to figure everything out. I like the strong females.

At first Sakura wasn't like that and she was a barbie doll, but she grew up to be a strong capable women who could kick ass and take names. That's what I like. A strong female and that's what Naruto needs too.

Not a quiet panic girl who, if she was a wife, would be the one cleaning, but a girl who would say "Clean you F---in mess you slob." This is what Sakura is. She is like someone who can control Naruto enough to show him when he gets out of hand.

To be honest, I don't think Naruto would be as strong as he is now if it wasn't for Sakura. If he was with Hinata, he probably would have been babied too much. That would be my opinion though.

[Froot]

You know while I always thought Hinata was cute, she was too...submissive. I dislike the female who is what I call the "barbie doll." A girl who is sensitive to everything, always panics, and always wants the man to figure everything out. I like the strong females.

At first Sakura wasn't like that and she was a barbie doll, but she grew up to be a strong capable women who could kick ass and take names. That's what I like. A strong female and that's what Naruto needs too.

Not a quiet panic girl who, if she was a wife, would be the one cleaning, but a girl who would say "Clean you F---in mess you slob." This is what Sakura is. She is like someone who can control Naruto enough to show him when he gets out of hand.

To be honest, I don't think Naruto would be as strong as he is now if it wasn't for Sakura. If he was with Hinata, he probably would have been babied too much. That would be my opinion though.

QFT.

This ties into the NH fans' "Sakura is abusive" argument. So it's bad when you try to keep your husband in check, to try to keep him from getting out of trouble, but when you baby him and make him soft and worship him it's true wub forever?

I love the Tsundere theme. Call me cliche, but it's one of the (many) reasons I love NaruSaku so much. And Kishi takes it a step further, going into how "A woman can be gentle with the man she loves." That is totally NaruSaku in 10 words. And it brings another quote to mind;

"A woman should soften but not weaken a man."

In that regard, NaruSaku is perfect.

Edited by Froot, 20 November 2009 - 01:49 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

From what I've seen, a lot of these guys have liked Hinata from the start of the manga, so I don't think big breasts are necessarily what drew them to her. I think though that the submissive, cute shy girl is definitely what they like. Or maybe they are just frightened of strong-willed women like Sakura Perhaps it is partially Kishis fault for bringing on all this Sakura hate. At the start of the manga Sakura acted pretty annoying, so perhaps Hinata was the first girl they could associate with. Hinata was just more subtle with how she fangirled compared to Sakura.

[Froot]

I know a few guys who are Hinata-NaruHina fans. When I asked them today why they liked her, they said ''She's cute.'' They didn't elaborate. One of them said ''Cuz she's bangin'.''

I guess pretty shallow reasons. I mean, I like her because I can relate to her; At least in the sense that I feel weak and shy and had Naruto to bring me out of my shell a little, but that isn't enough to move me to want her to ''win'' Naruto. Also, I like her design. She IS cute, to me. But not just her appearance, but also the way she carries herself. She's got a timid, conservative and very girly human air about her.

But Sakura's still my favorite

[Miss Soupy]

I think Hinata is kind too, I just don't really care about her. Sakura just has a lot more going for her all around; she is sensitive and cute, but highly intelligent and actually has a backbone.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Hi Guys,
Just wanted to share this,
In my previous post, I have stated there about the ANTI NS view on Sakura's Confession,
I have stumbled upon a great assumption

And that is "NS has a ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP" After they stated, NS has Guilt, Pity, Pain and Lies now it is Abusive?

Edited by pinkheartsyellowstars, 20 November 2009 - 05:17 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Abusive? Really?

So what does that make Narusegawa and Keitaro's relationship?

Edited by James S Cassidy, 20 November 2009 - 05:44 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

It's abusive because Sakura punches Naruto, I'm assuming. Which, hm...Naruto is one of the strongest ninjas in the WORLD. He can dodge a punch if he wants. So if he is really being abused against his will...he can't dodge them O.O ...Sakura > Naruto.

...

Sakura is obviously the juubi and/or Madara @_@ No wonder she is evil

Yeah, the abusive argument pretty much fails.

[catsi563]

especially given that in context she has only hit him if i count correctly maybe 6 times in 472 chapters. Only 2-3 times in part 2.

the abusive argument has always been a weak one because it fails to take into account the comedic context of a tsundere protagonist relationship in a shonen manga. it dismisses it as a tired old cliche or even outright with no explanation. its comedy and meant to be interpreted much the same way as Bugs bunny dropping an anvil on Elmer fudds head, or the three stooges eye pokes and head knocks.

it is further proven in the context of the action by Narutos comical faces when hit, and the fact that he usualy precedes each beating with a stupid or perverted action or speach thus needing to be brought back in line.

it is resloved by Naruto bouncing back up just fine the next moment and the story progressing onward after.

as it has been pointed out if Sakura were serious naruto wouldnt jsut bounce back up this is a girl capable of causing small earthquakes with her fists, of shattering massize boulders into gravel.

if we employ even the most basic physics of Sakuras punches compared to the human body any punch she landed in a serious fight against naruto were she actually trying to hurt him would cause every bone in his body to pulverize from the shockwave, every organ would simultaneously explode, and his brain if she were to hit him in the head would go from a brain to a tomatoe like paste in one shot.

thats assuming his head remained attached to his shoulders and wasnt ripped clean off by the sheer impact of the punch.

recall what happend to Sai when she decked him. that was mant to be a serious punch ((though not lethal)) she knocked him sliding backwards a good 20ish feet or so. and note in the scene his face was bruised and there was no comical expression. he was punched and we knew she was serious.

furthermore Sai did not just pop back up like a happy little jack in the box. he was slow to get up and recovered only off screen.

In conclusion the abusive argument doesnt fly due to the nature and context of a tsundere protagonist in a shonen manga.

as to the argument that the relationship is based on guilt and pity and pain and lies. well that too is an argument which fails as the naruto and sakura relationship has been shown to be based on trust and a growing fondness since part 1.

As things stand a NaruHina relationship would be based now on guilt ((she got hurt because of me)) pity ((well sakura doesnt like me so i should like hinata)) pain ((im alone , and sakura doenst love me)) and lies ((hinata hid that she liked me all this time just like I hid my feelings for sakura because of sasuke))

so again the argument fails due to its hypocriitical nature

Also SasuSaku would be base don the same thing guilt ((i hurt sakura and Naruto)) pity ((poor sasuke he lost everything and needs to revie his clan, and poor sakura shes worked so hard and sacraficed so much)), pain ((poor sakuras broken heart, and poor sasukes need for revenge)) and lies ((the lie that Sakura was always alone with out sasuke and the lie that Sasuke had no one who cared about him))

simpy put the argument of pity and guilt and pain and lies is weak and not supported by manga facts which suggest the opposite. the naruto sakura relationship is built on trust and a foundation that started in chapter 3 and was slowly developed from there.

it has had its share of bumps and curves but it has always advanced forwards. even this recent development is merely a road bump or a pot hole than anything.

[tricksie]

The NaruHina/SasuSaku shipping stuff, to me, is only justified through the reader's hopes for a particular character they like, not because the plot is really moving that way...

So in other plots there is love because you have witnessed the character grow and change and you want them to get what the truly deserve. And usually the ultimate goal is not handed over until the character has given in and changed for their own betterment, not for a knowledge that someone else is waiting for them. That kind of diligence - staying on the course to see it through because you know it's what you need to do - is the kind that's deeply rewarded with love ("twue wuv..."*).

This is where Sakura is now, she's doing what she knows she needs to do, without the assurance of Naruto's love. She's been set adrift and now must steer her own craft, but I'm sure she'll make it back.

Then there are characters who are awarded the prizes with minimal changes - they've not grown or striven or overcome challenges. Those characters are flimsy and forgettable.

Then there are characters who want the prize with no work - those are called villains!

Hinata and Sasuke shipping fall in the second category to me. A fan has an affinity for that character and wants to see positive things happen for her/him, want to see them awarded their hearts' desire.

But Hinata, though she's trained hard we are shown that she still falls back to being scared and in one of the precious few times we see her she is actually admonished by Sakura for not having a little faith in Naruto.

Sasuke has also worked hard, but aside from the audience knowing hardly anything personal about him anymore, was told specifically by Kakashi that if he turns to revenge/Orochimaru he will not progress in his quest for strength.

So what I'm saying here is that neither Hinata nor Sasuke have evolved very far personally. They are foils for Naruto and Sakura, but not very strong ones. Kishimoto could have had the two main characters have honest to goodness non-debateable relationships with these two, forced the two main characters to shed their immature relationships to search for each other...but then this would be a romance! It would also be more like real life where we are not ninjas, just trying to find the key that opens our particular lock.

But he is slated to be a hero like none before him, and he needs his heroine to be like none before her, and beside him all the time. There has never been a time when he's been without Sakura, whereas Hinata's hardly ever been in the picture - literally!

* "Princess Bride" reference up there

[RedDelicious]

*cough cough*

Chapter opening to "Confession --Click here to view--

Though to be honest, and yes I am stating the obvious, I don't see a church in the picture....I see trees.....I also see Shino's sleeve, at least I think it is. Maybe she ends up with Shino?

I'll let you know what I see... It would be like poking a sleeping bear, so I better put it in spoilers.

No church in the picture, but what is actually there --Click here to view--

We see what looks like Naruto's shoes or boots.
Hinata is sitting on a sidewalk near the main street.
At least to me, that is not a convincing smile. With those lines under her eyes, she looks like she is holding back tears.

Therefore that cover picture tells me that... Naruto has kicked Hinata to the curb!

[catsi563]

nah thats just a small blush nothing more and pretty par for the course for Hinata.

simply put this is a classic hinataesque cover. it shows her curled up on herself while looking down and away from the object of her admiration. her blush is small and her thoughts are internal worded on the side of the cover.

its a simple cover showing the thoughts of someone who wants to make sure that the person she admires is not going to disappear from her world.

it has no real romantic connotations aside from the notion that she has always felt the way she has about naruto.

[ciardha]

nah thats just a small blush nothing more and pretty par for the course for Hinata.

simply put this is a classic hinataesque cover. it shows her curled up on herself while looking down and away from the object of her admiration. her blush is small and her thoughts are internal worded on the side of the cover.

its a simple cover showing the thoughts of someone who wants to make sure that the person she admires is not going to disappear from her world.

it has no real romantic connotations aside from the notion that she has always felt the way she has about naruto.

Oh and another thing- that's definitely Sakura's boot heel we see beside Naruto's left shoe- Sakura is walking alongside Naruto- heh, now that's a bit of couple symbolism, so it's not a naruhina cover at all but a narusaku.

[dfammer]

What is this thing we are looking at it's not the manga is it?

[Froot]

It's true! It totally looks like Sakura's boot

Edited by Froot, 21 November 2009 - 12:27 AM.

[tricksie]

Hey! Never noticed her boot before!

[catsi563]

not enough of it to really say yes it is but I wont dispute the possibility.

[Froot]

Long argument vby a NH fan over at VF. I want to see what youy guys have to say

It's a doozy --Click here to view--

I will cover various topics, and if i missed any tell me.
1)Narusaku is a Bro/Sis relationship for many reasons. Though it depends on you're POV to the subject at hand. you NS fans can only give me 2 times that can only be interpreted as NS romantic moments. In comparison to many times that can be interpreted as both. they will be listed right now
-Sakura asked him if she looked more womanly
-Naruto asked Sakura out on a date
And this is what i think. Is that all you got?




Sakura's hug- Alot of NS fans use this alot. Yes ALOT. Saying to us NH/SS fans that it makes NH a higher possibilit. Though the hug can be interpreted three ways. Romantically, Bro/Sis, Close Friendship. Although, romantic seems the least likely that the hug was. If i thought my Brother or Close friend was risking his life, and had a dim chance of survival then he came waltzing in the Village, first i would be mad like Sakura, and then give him a hug that says "Im glad you're ok" What friend or Sibling wouldnt? The hug doesnt really mean as much as you guys say,
Hinata's reaction to the hug- some NS fans say it was exceptance. Exceptance of what? She was glad, just as much as Sakura, that Naruto was alright, she probably wanted to hug him to but i dont think she's the kind of person who would push and shove people to hug a boy, no I KNOW SHE ISNT.
Sakura feeding Naruto-In one of Froot's post she said she had a "Rape face, Flirtatious" exp​ression. It was a smile which could mean anything yes, but i dont think it meant "I wanna get in ur pants." A sister, or close friend would feed their friend if they are unable to do so themselves. Sakura has fed Naruto before, I dont see how these two are different. That, i dont think, is considered a moment. And really shouldnt be if it is.

Nine tails vs Orochimaru battle-Sakura cried for Naruto and tried to save him from himself, i bet that you would do it for you're friend if you were as close as Naruto and Sakura. Actually. Siblings are generally closer than couples, like Naruto and Sakura.When Sakura hid her pain that he caused him, it was to stop him from worrying, i would or any sibling would too.
And this moment Yamato's unfinished words, as you and I can agree, he probably was going to say "How much you love him" love doesnt neccasarily mean BF/GF love. It could mean sibling love. Sibling love is strong. Generally stronger than that of couples. Risking lives for each other isnt that what you would do for you're sibling? I would. Also, siblings can tell each other more, come for comfort. hmmm.. Doesnt that express Naruto and Sakura's case? yes yes it does.
the POAL. Promise of a Lifetime. As i recall Naruto told Sakura that it wasnt just for her it was for Sasuke. The one he though of as a best friend and a brother. But, if my sibling had come crying to me about her "love" the i wouldve done the same. Not only because of her, because maybe this person also meant something to me too, something i could explain.

2) Narusaku is/isnt cliche argument. This i think may be used the most. In one of Froot's pos she says it isnt. This gets us to the first topic in this section.

-Narusaku isnt cliche. Everything about it is. Main girl x Main boy. The hero wins the girl step by step. Do you know how many times thats been used?
-Narusaku IS cliche/NS fans in denial. Denial mean refusing to excpet whats in existence, Cliche is using the same overused idea. I will admit any couple that happens, main x main, side x side, main x side is clichem but it is not so often used as main x main. Narusaku is easily the most cliche of all Naruto couples. The idea has been used repeatedly and so has the plot. The cliche-ness of Narusaku makes it the most possible pairing. You are trying to deny it is not. Kids, adults, in my school who i have talked to and watch Naruto have admited even if their NS fans that it is soo cliche, that is soo going to happen. Give me evidence that it is not cliche? If you're going to give me "it doesnt have the just get the girl theme' then save it. So? why is it still cliche? Because alot of as[pects of NS have been used many many many times before its not even funny.

3)Sakura's confession vs Hinaa's confession. Two parts of the story many fans have waited for. Pne is genuine the other not quite sure.
-Hinata's confession. I will admit it proabably was just a major character development on Hinata's part, but it still had emotion a confesson needs. It was genuined no doubt.
-Sakura's confession- the opposite of Hinata's. All of u NS fans and im glad you accpet that it seems fake. Because why? it lacked EMOTION. Thats what a confession needs? Naruto knew better, he didnt believe her fully. Maybe the confessuon but not what she said about Sasuke. Before Sai even told her about naruto's love, she had defneded Sasuke and never wanted to give up on him. Naruto remembered when Sai insulted Sasuke she clocked him. The times Sakura has cried for him and now giving it up? no way in helll. Naruto also told her it wasnt for her, it was for Sasuke. His comrade. You try to compare Sakura and Sasuke. But, you cant. Two different reason, two different people. Sakura was giving up, who before she though, was her comrade and now she was the meaning of Kakashi's saying.Sasuke WAS and like Naruto said ALWAYS WILL BE their comrade. If yu give up on you're comrade ur worst thatn trash.


4)Hinata's devotion.
All her life she wanted to get his repsect. be like him, cared for him, even though it might have been from far away. She didnt start liking him because he got cuter, smarter, stronger. So it cant be called Hero worship. She started liking him, for him. Sakura started finally acknowlding him aftr she saw he wasnt as useless as she thought. Hero worship? IMO it is. Love? Maybe sibling love? You can call me Biased but i may actually speak the truth if u think about it.

5)The build up of couples

-Sasusaku-Was based on the care Sakura showed Sasuke in-Chuunin exams, other times-m and the times Sasuke has shown care for her. In the Gaara arc he only wantyed to save Sakura, when he was leaving Konoha, it showed he did pay atttention to Sakura cause when she said she loved him, Which i will say may have been an act of selfishness, he wasnt surprised at all he said "I know that"
Sakura has put hre life on the line for him and so has she.
-Naruhin the way Hinata has loved Naruto and cared for him. She just wanted hgis acceptance and to be just like him.

-Narusaku is based off the times they have both risked their lives and cared for each other,, unlike Sasusaku where u know Sakura didnt love Sasuke brotherly, Sakura could love Nauto brotherly still, or as a close friend. Also, its based off all the development they have had togethr, could it be strengthen their bond? not as couple as some may say. maybe as friends, sibling bons.

Lastly, you guys say u like it cause Narusaku makes sense.
So does Sasusaku and Naruhina.
the makes Sense argument MAKES NO DAMN SENSE.
Most of the major couples in the series, Narusaku, Naruhina, Nejiten, Sasusaku, Sasukarin, Kibahain, have facts , or LOGIC to back it up. So, shut te hell up, othe couples MAKE SENSE TOO.

Any thing i miss?