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[Narufan85]

-sigh- Im sorry, but has logic just gone backwards now? I really don't think anyone knows what true love is in anymore and honestly see it at such face value that people are now being categorized in it.

Myself especially it feels like I am always on the losing end.

If I am a nice guy and is kind and sweet, cracking jokes, and just want to have a good time, apparently I am just a selfish prick who just wants sex and only loves women for their body. If I am a mean spirit person, I get told that treating people like crap is not how to treat people and nobody likes that.

So what do you call a guy who just doesn't want to feel alone in the world anymore? A guy who just want a girl to share his life with. To laugh, cry, have good days and bad days with them. A girl who can understand them; understand what he really wants and understand why he does some things a certain way even if that way may be wrong? What do you call a guy who just want a girl to wrap her arms around him and tell him that it is okay?

You see, whenever I read these arguments or articles about "Nice guy" or whatever, they always so willing to talk about the issues with the said Nice guy, but never do they look at that perhaps it is society that made them this way. What if the issue is not the guy, but girls giving off the wrong messages of what they think is "good" and really just accusing people of stuff so much that it eventually becomes true? What if it is a little bit of everything?

When we grow up we are taught manners and respect, but now whenever I give respect some people will be like "Well, all you want is sex." Like where did this come from?

Now we have Naruto who gives the whole "Nice guy" persona and even bigger reason to hate because Kishimoto decided "it was a rivalry game." So all the sacrifice Naruto did, all the caring, and such..."Naruto just wanted to bang Sakura." Is that what Naruto was about? Perhaps that is why Hinata was so nice to Naruto too. She just wanted to bang him. If there is a "nice guy" can't there also be the "Nice girl?" A girl who just puts on an act to get sexual enjoyment out of a specific man? Is the Naruto story nothing more than a group of liars who are now paying the price for living a lie? Certainly seems like it.

Now, I don't even know what to think anymore. I can't be nice to females, I can;t be mean, I can't be myself....I can't be anything and just asking for one girl who gives me hope in my life is apparently me being too selfish and too pathetic. This is the new world we live in. You know I already know I am emotionally broken. I am bipolar, I am a depressant, and I have done things in my life that I am not proud of, but it doesn't mean I chose this life or that I want to keep living it. People always like to judge, but never do they want to try and fix or help the people who are suffering.

This is just a bad world. Nobody wants to help anyone anymore because everyone assumes that the person is after ulterior motives. No one. People can't trust each other and we have no one but ourselves to blame for it.

Isn't there anybody in this world, besides me, who would actually go out of their way to help someone for no reason other than "I don't want to see them suffer?" I hate when people suffer. I hate when people lose hope. I can;t explain why, but just the fact that I can't stand seeing a person so sad and alone feeling like all anybody does is ignore them or call their problems trivial.

A couple of times I feel like a kid in a sandbox. Tears in his eyes, but with a smile on his face trying to rebuild is sand castle in hoping one day it will come a reality for him
 

 

I'm sorry to dig up such an old post (relatively speaking) but I was out of town this weekend and this was the first post I saw. And I have to ask: are you being purposefully obtuse and difficult when it comes to the issue of the difference between a genuinely nice and polite person and the type of manipulative individuals who are "nice guys," or do you just not understand the difference?

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

God, this whole movie is just gonna be about Boruto being so similar to Naruto.

That's not endearing, that's just lazy and uncreative recycling.

 

Exactly, Rose, plus it isn't as much fun, especially with a lot of the stuff that he's said is what Naruto was about, which is STUPID that led to this nonsense. XP

[James S Cassidy]

 

I'm sorry to dig up such an old post (relatively speaking) but I was out of town this weekend and this was the first post I saw. And I have to ask: are you being purposefully obtuse and difficult when it comes to the issue of the difference between a genuinely nice and polite person and the type of manipulative individuals who are "nice guys," or do you just not understand the difference?

Here is a better question.....do you know the difference? I mean, do you really know the difference and can tell that difference when it comes to people?  If you saw two people talking, one guy and one girl, and he was being nice to her. Would you automatically assume that he was just there to get in her pants? How about everyone else? To some people, they are too stupid to know the difference.

Because judging by what the definition is given to what people actually believe the definition is and how they apply it is a whole huge kettle of fish and the biggest elephant in the room.

You know in this world we have many major topics we all talk about: Sexism, Racism, "Nice Guy"-ism....

Human beings never think with real good logic. In fact, most people today are so radical with their ideals now that despite what the actual definition is...we don't actually apply it to what it actually is. You bring up the the nice guy thing and show how there is a difference between that and polite people. HOWEVER, there will always be that huge group of people who say "Well, if Nice guys are just in it for sex, then that means all nice guys are rapist." And please, spare me the lines "not all people are like that."

Of course, when we have media like Naruto where you have the main character only be nice and do everything for Sakura "because of his rivalry with Sasuke" then you start to wonder what the the other people are thinking and not really yourself.

Take example even now. Instead of actually reading my post and understand that it was not a matter of what I felt, but rather what other people thought of me, but instead you automatically assume I misunderstood the difference instead of what I actually said which was "Is this what people believe what real love is now where apparently being a nice guy is just after sex?" I know the difference quite clearly, but the real question is does everyone else know that difference? From what I can see from my peers around (and I mean around me at work and life, not just on the internet) me....no. Not for the majority of the people.

This day and age all I see is double standards. How some are so oppressed and men have all the privileges, but apparently me being a man automatically makes me a rapist and I can;t say anything against women no matter how wrong they are because I am always wrong. Who is actually oppressed here? People talk about feminism and equal rights, but when it comes to equal responsibilities, they want no part in it. They want want want, but then when it is there time to face the issues and consequences of those wants...they cry how oppressed they are.

As one female feminist youtuber ShoeonHead once said. "All you ever see is women holding up signs that more or less say "I am a feminist because I am insecure of myself."" And she is right. This isn't to say all arguments are wrong, but most people who are arguing are going about it all the wrong way and are not exactly doing things BY DEFINITION. Feminism is about equal rights, not "women getting more rights."

However, this point is straying from my point. The point I am making is, does society really understand the difference between definitions or are people really just so brainwashed into believing whatever that they fight irrationally and with anger and violence?

From the way everything is truly playing out, every one is a god damn hypocrite to the utter max. You want freedom, but hate everyone else having that freedom. You want someone to treat you with respect, but then believe that everyone who does treat you with respect is only doing it to get in your pants. You want equal rights, but don't want the responsibilities that come with those equal rights.

And THAT is the problem.

When it comes to love...it is even worse. We got all the definitions of it completely backwards that people are lying to themselves like Stockholm syndrome patients who believe their abusive partner actually loves them despite the neglect and abuse. This is ridiculous.

And everyday I got to see it the exact same way.
Look at the Goku vs Superman argument where no matter how much facts you put in, people will only accept what they want to hear. "Goku should beat Superman." say some despite all their "Goku feats" being nothing more than fanwanking rather than what Toriyama has made.

Look at the debates over the Confederate flag where they want to get rid of it, but others say no. Shouldn't people have the freedom for their heritage? Even the people fighting for the Confederate flag and it's heritage are against racism and slavery. So people need to stop ASSUMING what the world really is and actually SEE what the world really is and frankly, all I see is a bunch of adults who act like the biggest babies fighting over their favorite toys and then claiming they know what is right for people.

I am sick of it. I am sick of the Naruto fandoms and the pro-enders just blindly being stupid. I am sick of these hypocrites who continue to fight for "good causes" and only end up fueling the problem than fixing it.

I am sick of it all.




 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 03 August 2015 - 07:45 AM.

[Lady Lys]

Here is a better question.....do you know the difference? I mean, do you really know the difference and can tell that difference when it comes to people?  If you saw two people talking, one guy and one girl, and he was being nice to her. Would you automatically assume that he was just there to get in her pants? How about everyone else? To some people, they are too stupid to know the difference.

Because judging by what the definition is given to what people actually believe the definition is and how they apply it is a whole huge kettle of fish and the biggest elephant in the room.

You know in this world we have many major topics we all talk about: Sexism, Racism, "Nice Guy"-ism....

Human beings never think with real good logic. In fact, most people today are so radical with their ideals now that despite what the actual definition is...we don't actually apply it to what it actually is. You bring up the the nice guy thing and show how there is a difference between that and polite people. HOWEVER, there will always be that huge group of people who say "Well, if Nice guys are just in it for sex, then that means all nice guys are rapist." And please, spare me the lines "not all people are like that."

Of course, when we have media like Naruto where you have the main character only be nice and do everything for Sakura "because of his rivalry with Sasuke" then you start to wonder what the the other people are thinking and not really yourself.

Take example even now. Instead of actually reading my post and understand that it was not a matter of what I felt, but rather what other people thought of me, but instead you automatically assume I misunderstood the difference instead of what I actually said which was "Is this what people believe what real love is now where apparently being a nice guy is just after sex?" I know the difference quite clearly, but the real question is does everyone else know that difference? From what I can see from my peers around (and I mean around me at work and life, not just on the internet) me....no. Not for the majority of the people.

This day and age all I see is double standards. How some are so oppressed and men have all the privileges, but apparently me being a man automatically makes me a rapist and I can;t say anything against women no matter how wrong they are because I am always wrong. Who is actually oppressed here? People talk about feminism and equal rights, but when it comes to equal responsibilities, they want no part in it. They want want want, but then when it is there time to face the issues and consequences of those wants...they cry how oppressed they are.

As one female feminist youtuber ShoeonHead once said. "All you ever see is women holding up signs that more or less say "I am a feminist because I am insecure of myself."" And she is right. This isn't to say all arguments are wrong, but most people who are arguing are going about it all the wrong way and are not exactly doing things BY DEFINITION. Feminism is about equal rights, not "women getting more rights."

However, this point is straying from my point. The point I am making is, does society really understand the difference between definitions or are people really just so brainwashed into believing whatever that they fight irrationally and with anger and violence?

From the way everything is truly playing out, every one is a god damn hypocrite to the utter max. You want freedom, but hate everyone else having that freedom. You want someone to treat you with respect, but then believe that everyone who does treat you with respect is only doing it to get in your pants. You want equal rights, but don't want the responsibilities that come with those equal rights.

And THAT is the problem.

When it comes to love...it is even worse. We got all the definitions of it completely backwards that people are lying to themselves like Stockholm syndrome patients who believe their abusive partner actually loves them despite the neglect and abuse. This is ridiculous.

And everyday I got to see it the exact same way.
Look at the Goku vs Superman argument where no matter how much facts you put in, people will only accept what they want to hear. "Goku should beat Superman." say some despite all their "Goku feats" being nothing more than fanwanking rather than what Toriyama has made.

Look at the debates over the Confederate flag where they want to get rid of it, but others say no. Shouldn't people have the freedom for their heritage? Even the people fighting for the Confederate flag and it's heritage are against racism and slavery. So people need to stop ASSUMING what the world really is and actually SEE what the world really is and frankly, all I see is a bunch of adults who act like the biggest babies fighting over their favorite toys and then claiming they know what is right for people.

I am sick of it. I am sick of the Naruto fandoms and the pro-enders just blindly being stupid. I am sick of these hypocrites who continue to fight for "good causes" and only end up fueling the problem than fixing it.

I am sick of it all.




 

 

I'm in love love love love with this post. And I agree to the max.

 

There are double standards everywhere, political correctness has become a monster and people think that their belief is the absolute universal truth and that allows them behave in utter ghastly ways.

 

And another thing that baffles me a lot is that very often people generalize too much and never really look at things case by case or that the model of living/thinking or simply the state of things in their little corner of the world, in their city or country is the only model, the only truth and that things work exactly like that in the rest of the world.

 

What you said about freedom rings so true it almost hurts, you want freedom but god forbid when anyone with a different opinion tries to speak, then it's all about hurling insults and feeling superior, and frankly, I am sick and tired of it. I want the freedom to be able to talk rationally and politely with people who have a different opinion because that would enrich the conversation. I want to be able to freely express my ideas and construct a discourse that's actually useful and not just repeating robotically what some would want me to say. 

 

I have issues with feminism, I have issues with political correctness. You are right when you say that feminism is about equal rights and responsibilities and that there are way too many cases in which this soured into something extreme and unreasonable and when someone tries to put in the discussion something against the 'flow' he/she gets attacked and insulted, I know, it happened to me and I've never tried talking with this kind of people of serious topics ever again. Political correctness has become even more absurd up to the point where you can safely insult and denigrate some people while you can't say anything about others, even if, according to you, they are behaving in horrible ways, or have taken idiotic decisions. Without being impolite - because politeness is one of the most fundamental values of a society, a value that many seem to have forgotten - I want the freedom to say 'no', to say 'I disagree' to whichever kind of person I am discussing with. 

 

I want people who disagree with me to calmly come over and say 'I disagree', without insulting and belittling, I want them to explain and be open to discussion, because if set in that way a discussion would actually be useful and insightful. 

 

Believe me, I do understand exactly when you say you are sick and tired of it, because so am I.

[Bail o' Lies]

I posted a link to an article about the nice guy and how it has changed (ie beta males). http://www.thedailyb...-and-nerds.html

 

           Basically do you all remember the Hollywood movies where there was this nerdy nice guy who meets this really hot girl who is dating this jerk jock at the beginning but throughout the movie by interacting with the nerdy guy the hot girl realize that he's a better person (in both personality and in bed) than her jerk of a boyfriend and falls in love with him? So by the end of the movie she has left the jock and is now in love with the nerdy guy and they will most like date and have sex with each other after the movie is over (if not before)? Also the jerk jock get his comeuppance for being a jerk jock? The problem is in real life the nice guy doesn't always get the girl. Instead the girl just considers the nice guy a "good friend" and either continues to date the jerk jock or she dates another guy instead of the nice nerdy guy. Well beta males call that "friend-zoning" and consider her now a kitten and a slut for not dating them. This is because the beta males are acting like nice guys to the girl with the expectation they will be able to have sex with a girl that is completely out of their league otherwise. 

 

In short a nice guy is being nice because he is a decent person. A beta male is doing it with the expectation of sex as reward for being such a nice guy.

 

For example what the guy used in his article that son of the assistant director of the hunger games who was going to shoot up a dormitory full of hot blond women because none of them would have sex with him despite him being such a nice guy, and gentleman.

 

So how this relate to Naruto, Sakura, hinata, and the fanbase?

 

Sakura was hated by the beta males since her introduction because she was rude to Naruto, she had a crush on Sasuke, and despite Naruto liking her and being a nice guy she didn't have sex with him right there when they were both twelve years old at the time or fall in love with him instantly. Yes she fell in love with him slowly throughout the story but that is not good enough for them. Also they in general don't like tsudere characters since that means even if they get the girl they would have to deal with all those... "emotions". Also she only a civilian girl with very small breast she was originally bullied and is kind of a geeky girl (her hobby is trivia games) so she is not a big catch in their minds.

 

Hinata on the other hand was from a richest family in the village has huge kittens and once SP got a hold of her they stripped her of all her personality other than shyness and her devotion to Naruto. So her only thought is how she can best serve Naruto-kun at all cost. She also will never question Naruto, and will do what ever she is told even if it just shut up and blow. She's perfect.

 

Edit sorry just thought of something to add to this: The reason they love Hinata is that she is the "easy girl". She easy to catch and easy to keep. Think about all Naruto ever had to do to sleep with her is turn around and ask Hinata on a date, smile at her a few times, say a few compliment about her, and he could get her in bed with minimal effort. After that she would be so smitten with him she would never leave him no matter what he did to her. As long as she never catches him in bed with another woman. Also since she so shy, quiet, and meek she normally stay silent and bug her man with too much chatter while she listens to her man like ever word he says is gospel.

 

Sakura look how much effort it took for her to become his friend let alone fall for him do you think most beta males would want to go through that and may not even get sex in return? Look at the nH fans that do video on youtube do they look like people that in for something like being nice to a girl for the long haul and not get sex at the end. I already gave my thought on foreverworld in another post about the only video i ever fully watch of his where he praise hinata as the perfect women and went on about women not realizing how hard guys put effort into dates and so on.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 04 August 2015 - 04:53 PM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Personally I want to see how suborn SP can be if there Bolt film flops. Will they continue milking the tainted cow (knowing that they will go bankrupt)  or they come up with a truck load of BS excuses and apologies to the old Naruto fandom?

[Bail o' Lies]

Personally I want to see how suborn SP can be if there Bolt film flops. Will they continue milking the tainted cow (knowing that they will go bankrupt)  or they come up with a truck load of BS excuses and apologies to the old Naruto fandom?

The sane ones have probably either already left seeing the witting on the wall, resigned themselves to it, or are trying but are being stop by the fanatic hinata loyalist still there.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 03 August 2015 - 10:23 AM.

[Yyubie]

Personally I want to see how suborn SP can be if there Bolt film flops. Will they continue milking the tainted cow (knowing that they will go bankrupt)  or they come up with a truck load of BS excuses and apologies to the old Naruto fandom?

If i was correct kishi already leave for his honeymoon with his family and retire from naruto series. If this true, i have feelings kishi said this word in his mind "This movie will failed really hard, im out of here before the the angry mob come and SP is the only one who will take care of this mess, while i just enjoy the money and my honeymoon"

[Bail o' Lies]

If i was correct kishi already leave for his honeymoon with his family and retire from naruto series. If this true, i have feelings kishi said this word in his mind "This movie will failed really hard, I'm out of here before the the angry mob come and SP is the only one who will take care of this mess, while i just enjoy the money and my honeymoon"

Where did you get that new? I thought kishi had his honeymoon in January? ...Then again if he left before Bolt hits the theaters then he's wised up a bit. Since you know SP will want him to both promote it, and attempt to justify it if the movie goes sour. Without him there they would have to do it themselves finally putting themselves finally into the line of fire.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 03 August 2015 - 11:23 AM.

[hinataiscreepy]

Here is a better question.....do you know the difference? I mean, do you really know the difference and can tell that difference when it comes to people?  If you saw two people talking, one guy and one girl, and he was being nice to her. Would you automatically assume that he was just there to get in her pants? How about everyone else? To some people, they are too stupid to know the difference.

Because judging by what the definition is given to what people actually believe the definition is and how they apply it is a whole huge kettle of fish and the biggest elephant in the room.

You know in this world we have many major topics we all talk about: Sexism, Racism, "Nice Guy"-ism....

Human beings never think with real good logic. In fact, most people today are so radical with their ideals now that despite what the actual definition is...we don't actually apply it to what it actually is. You bring up the the nice guy thing and show how there is a difference between that and polite people. HOWEVER, there will always be that huge group of people who say "Well, if Nice guys are just in it for sex, then that means all nice guys are rapist." And please, spare me the lines "not all people are like that."

Of course, when we have media like Naruto where you have the main character only be nice and do everything for Sakura "because of his rivalry with Sasuke" then you start to wonder what the the other people are thinking and not really yourself.

Take example even now. Instead of actually reading my post and understand that it was not a matter of what I felt, but rather what other people thought of me, but instead you automatically assume I misunderstood the difference instead of what I actually said which was "Is this what people believe what real love is now where apparently being a nice guy is just after sex?" I know the difference quite clearly, but the real question is does everyone else know that difference? From what I can see from my peers around (and I mean around me at work and life, not just on the internet) me....no. Not for the majority of the people.

This day and age all I see is double standards. How some are so oppressed and men have all the privileges, but apparently me being a man automatically makes me a rapist and I can;t say anything against women no matter how wrong they are because I am always wrong. Who is actually oppressed here? People talk about feminism and equal rights, but when it comes to equal responsibilities, they want no part in it. They want want want, but then when it is there time to face the issues and consequences of those wants...they cry how oppressed they are.

As one female feminist youtuber ShoeonHead once said. "All you ever see is women holding up signs that more or less say "I am a feminist because I am insecure of myself."" And she is right. This isn't to say all arguments are wrong, but most people who are arguing are going about it all the wrong way and are not exactly doing things BY DEFINITION. Feminism is about equal rights, not "women getting more rights."

However, this point is straying from my point. The point I am making is, does society really understand the difference between definitions or are people really just so brainwashed into believing whatever that they fight irrationally and with anger and violence?

From the way everything is truly playing out, every one is a god damn hypocrite to the utter max. You want freedom, but hate everyone else having that freedom. You want someone to treat you with respect, but then believe that everyone who does treat you with respect is only doing it to get in your pants. You want equal rights, but don't want the responsibilities that come with those equal rights.

And THAT is the problem.

When it comes to love...it is even worse. We got all the definitions of it completely backwards that people are lying to themselves like Stockholm syndrome patients who believe their abusive partner actually loves them despite the neglect and abuse. This is ridiculous.

And everyday I got to see it the exact same way.
Look at the Goku vs Superman argument where no matter how much facts you put in, people will only accept what they want to hear. "Goku should beat Superman." say some despite all their "Goku feats" being nothing more than fanwanking rather than what Toriyama has made.

Look at the debates over the Confederate flag where they want to get rid of it, but others say no. Shouldn't people have the freedom for their heritage? Even the people fighting for the Confederate flag and it's heritage are against racism and slavery. So people need to stop ASSUMING what the world really is and actually SEE what the world really is and frankly, all I see is a bunch of adults who act like the biggest babies fighting over their favorite toys and then claiming they know what is right for people.

I am sick of it. I am sick of the Naruto fandoms and the pro-enders just blindly being stupid. I am sick of these hypocrites who continue to fight for "good causes" and only end up fueling the problem than fixing it.

I am sick of it all.




 

 

 

Your answers lie in this video

 

[Niky]

A little present for you alls, guys.
 
Let's recharge with a true masterpiece (best Human/monster combo I've seen, best nine tails I've been, best shonen storyline I've been) and let this energy bring us a bit of strength!   

 

Edited by Niky, 04 August 2015 - 12:40 AM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Yeah, it's sad to see so many people think that giving other people "not like them", "beneath them", etc. equal rights (women, blacks, LGBTs, etc.) is somehow giving them "special" rights and/or "attacking" the "alpha group" (men, whites, heterosexuals, religious, etc.) or even trying to say it's "taking away" their own rights somehow. It comes down to the whole "I've got mine, screw you!" double standard mindset.

[Yyubie]

3 days until judgement d... ehm i mean boruto mopie...

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Will the movie bomb? 

[Bail o' Lies]

Huh I was just reading black clover this week it on the cover of the magazine. What was also one it was a promotion for another Naruto...thing that cover had Naruto Sasuke Bolt Sakura and the blue hair boy. What does that cover belong to?

 

Also Kentucky remember the Japanese fans got burnt the last time they trusted kishi and SP word that a Naruto movie was good. So from what people were saying on this site is that a few people went to the early screening so they could tell people it good or not. Since what those people are reporting isn't even impressing the fanatic at Narutoforum or Narutobase (which is saying a lot) i doubt it impressed the Japanese fans. But people are still fans of the anime and bought the last DVD. So i say at a minimum at least 30,000 will go see it and hopefully the maximum will be no more than 900,000.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 04 August 2015 - 11:06 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Huh I was just reading black clover this week it on the cover of the magazine. What was also one it was a promotion for another Naruto...thing that cover had Naruto Sasuke Bolt Sakura and the blue hair boy. What does that cover belong to?
 
Also Kentucky remember the Japanese fans got burnt the last time they trusted kishi and SP word that a Naruto movie was good. So from what people were saying on this site is that a few people went to the early screening so they could tell people it good or not. Since what those people report isn't even impressing the fanatic at Narutoforum or Narutobase (which is saying a lot) i doubt it impressed the Japanese fans. But people are still fans of the anime and bought the last DVD. So i say at a minimum at least 30,000 will go see it and hopefully the maximum will be no more than 900,000.

It belongs to Naruto Gaiden. It's some sort of another side cover.

[Phantom_999]

I posted a link to an article about the nice guy and how it has changed (ie beta males). http://www.thedailyb...-and-nerds.html

 

           Basically do you all remember the Hollywood movies where there was this nerdy nice guy who meets this really hot girl who is dating this jerk jock at the beginning but throughout the movie by interacting with the nerdy guy the hot girl realize that he's a better person (in both personality and in bed) than her jerk of a boyfriend and falls in love with him? So by the end of the movie she has left the jock and is now in love with the nerdy guy and they will most like date and have sex with each other after the movie is over (if not before)? Also the jerk jock get his comeuppance for being a jerk jock? The problem is in real life the nice guy doesn't always get the girl. Instead the girl just considers the nice guy a "good friend" and either continues to date the jerk jock or she dates another guy instead of the nice nerdy guy. Well beta males call that "friend-zoning" and consider her now a kitten and a slut for not dating them. This is because the beta males are acting like nice guys to the girl with the expectation they will be able to have sex with a girl that is completely out of their league otherwise. 

 

In short a nice guy is being nice because he is a decent person. A beta male is doing it with the expectation of sex as reward for being such a nice guy.

 

For example what the guy used in his article that son of the assistant director of the hunger games who was going to shoot up a dormitory full of hot blond women because none of them would have sex with him despite him being such a nice guy, and gentleman.

 

So how this relate to Naruto, Sakura, hinata, and the fanbase?

 

Sakura was hated by the beta males since her introduction because she was rude to Naruto, she had a crush on Sasuke, and despite Naruto liking her and being a nice guy she didn't have sex with him right there when they were both twelve years old at the time or fall in love with him instantly. Yes she fell in love with him slowly throughout the story but that is not good enough for them. Also they in general don't like tsudere characters since that means even if they get the girl they would have to deal with all those... "emotions". Also she only a civilian girl with very small breast she was originally bullied and is kind of a geeky girl (her hobby is trivia games) so she is not a big catch in their minds.

 

Hinata on the other hand was from a richest family in the village has huge kittens and once SP got a hold of her they stripped her of all her personality other than shyness and her devotion to Naruto. So her only thought is how she can best serve Naruto-kun at all cost. She also will never question Naruto, and will do what ever she is told even if it just shut up and blow. She's perfect.

 

That's precisely why I was never of the opinion that Naruto "deserves Sakura like she was a prize or trophy. It was apparent to me because their interactions in part II are exactly like that of a real life couple. They laugh together, cry together,  have playful banter, inspire each other, Sakura puts Naruto in line, Understand each other enough to know if they are acting strange and most importantly (IMO) They are not CLINGY OR OBSESSED with each other. They can be apart and not think hey I must be with Sakura/Naruto today or I wonder what Naruto/Sakura is doing? They know they have their own lives, responsibilities and goals and don't revolve their lives soley on each other. They have friends and other interests which is what true love should be like. Passionate, yet one must give their partner space and time to themselves.

 

Again I ask, does NH and SS have this? Are they equals in their relationship? Do they look happy and not at all forced? Let's look at the facts here. Naruto and Sasuke, by the depiction of the Gaiden pay no attention to their wives nor bother to come home after knocking them up to reproduce. Naruto doesn't even accept a bento from his so called "loving wife" plus never spends time with his kids, and Sasuke never came back to even see how Sakura was doing and forced her to fend for herself and their child into poverty. Wasn't even there when his daughter was born. WE CAN TOTALLY SEE THE LOVE THERE CAN'T WE, PEOPLE? 

 

And this was stated from "the horse's mouth" to be the true intention from the beginning? Wait where was that happy family moment from The Las......Oh wait, now I remember, That was rectonned into oblivion.It's current status is "didn't happen" except to rush NH and that was the excuse on why. 

 

NS was a red herring you say? Try telling that to fans who actually used their brains, and had not done a self insert fantasy regarding Naruto scoring with a Hot (still don't see her physical appeal personally) heiress and Sakura being the lucky every girl who ends up the the popular Ace/Bad Boy of their school. Try telling that to individuals who understand what real romantic relationships are about, that's it's not some fairy tale based on looks and entitlement. Try telling that to actual married couples who stayed married for all these years.

 

We are supposed to believe that these canon pairings are the intention and are not shallow? RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT. Sakura having her eye on Sasuke because he is handsome and cool is not shallow. That she'd be a terrible woman for giving up on her first love that is unhealthy and emotionally damaging to her self worth is not shallow. Hinata admiring Naruto from afar and stalking him is not shallow. Her vicariously putting her own low self esteem and family issues on him because he seems confident and determined to hide his loneliness, insecurities and pain is not shallow. Even disregarding that last statement, Hinata not even trying to be Naruto's friend and help share the dark, unforgiving childhood he had to go through because she feels unworthy is not shallow (especially if she KNEW why he was all happy-go-lucky and boastful in the first place). Naruto suddenly falling for Hinata because of some ass-pull genjutsu is not shallow. That he is suddenly longing for Hinata because the movie villain lusted after her plus being rejected himself is not shallow.  Retconning his feelings for Sakura as some blase desire to one up Sasuke even though the latter shows no interest in women is not shallow. Sasuke just needing a baby maker for the sequel hook is not Shallow.

 

Really, Whoever came up with this kitten, give me a DAMN break.

Edited by Phantom_999, 05 August 2015 - 01:27 AM.

[Mixer]

Has this been posted yet? http://card.weibo.co...p=99.12.160.168
Some picture taken from the movie I believe.. 

Edited by Mixer, 04 August 2015 - 07:37 PM.

[Nar123]

Has this been posted yet? http://card.weibo.co...p=99.12.160.168
Some picture taken from the movie I believe.. 

 

Naruto really doesn't look like Naruto

 

And Salad's personality made a complete 180 from the way she was at the beginning of gaiden, it was very poorly done

[Bail o' Lies]

Has this been posted yet? http://card.weibo.co...p=99.12.160.168
Some picture taken from the movie I believe.. 

What the kitten is up with Naruto face especially in those last two images!?