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[TerrorKing]

And that is exactly what I'm talking about! That's the kind of thing that is not appealing to most men in reality, and that's why seeing it play out on the screen isn't appealing, either. How is this so hard to grasp?

Because it doesn't degrade Sakura's character, or NS, in any way.

Well, at least to me it doesn't

Edited by TerrorKing, 11 July 2012 - 11:36 PM.

[sushi.]

And that is exactly what I'm talking about! That's the kind of thing that is not appealing to most men in reality, and that's why seeing it play out on the screen isn't appealing, either. How is this so hard to grasp?

Naruto is not like most men. But in real life, she would not send him flying, she might just slightly slap him, and have you seen how he is fine 2 secs after?

Not to mention, my mother and father are like Naruto and Sakura! They did it on the dinner table, dad probably did something stupid, mom was shaking her fist. Then my brother belched, and I did the same to him. This is kind of how I will imagine a real NaruSau familylife.

[Gravenimage]

I hate to belabour the point but, it is a cultural thing whether or not we like it, it will always happen in manga. The worst part about the negative reaction of some fans is Naruto is tame compared with other manga.

eg Winry in Full Metal Alchemist

Kaori in City Hunter

I have read Shoujo manga where this is also the case, the girlfriend "hits" her boyfriend to "correct" what she finds as unbecoming behaviour.

If people are to read and enjoy Japanese manga they really have to take into account the stories are written for a Japanese audience and abide by the cultural norms of Japan.

What about the tsundere from Full Metal Panic (don't know her name I don't watch the anime) I've seen from videos that she hits the male protagonist so many times it makes Sakura look like a saint next to her. Or what about the tsundere from FLCL she hits the male protagonist so many times (she even hits him with a freaking baseball bat and even with an electric guitar). It's funny I don't hear fans complaining about these types of tsundere no it has to be poor Sakura because how many times has she hit Naruto in the manga? (3 times). Not counting the anime because Pierot over exert her tsundere character to the max.

Edited by Gravenimage, 11 July 2012 - 11:44 PM.

[Verilance]

What about the tsundere from Full Metal Panic (don't know her name I don't watch the anime) I've seen from videos that she hits the male protagonist so many times it makes Sakura look like a saint next to her. Or what about the tsundere from FLCL she hits the male protagonist so many times (she even hits him with a freaking baseball bat and even with an electric guitar). It's funny I don't hear fans complaining about these types of tsundere no it has to be poor Sakura because how many times has she hit Naruto in the manga? (3 times). Not counting the anime because Pierot over exert her tsundere character to the max.

preachin' to the choir dude

[TouKen4Life3g]

What about the tsundere from Full Metal Panic (don't know her name I don't watch the anime) I've seen from videos that she hits the male protagonist so many times it makes Sakura look like a saint next to her. Or what about the tsundere from FLCL she hits the male protagonist so many times (she even hits him with a freaking baseball bat and even with an electric guitar). It's funny I don't hear fans complaining about these types of tsundere no it has to be poor Sakura because how many times has she hit Naruto in the manga? (3 times). Not counting the anime because Pierot over exert her tsundere character to the max.

Lol yeah, Full Metal Panic. Her name is Chidori. I really like it because many reasons. Fumoffu is downright hilarious. And yes, she is definitely tsundere. For god sake, she did a suplex on the Sousuke. I don't know about you, but I really like those type of girls. Then again, I'm experiencing that now. Just glad I'm not flying around everyday.

[PachucoDesigns]

Because it doesn't degrade Sakura's character, or NS, in any way.

Well, at least to me it doesn't

And that's fine. But you are not the rest of the male world, let alone with the rest of the audience.

Naruto is not like most men. laugh.gif But in real life, she would not send him flying, she might just slightly slap him, and have you seen how he is fine 2 secs after?

Not to mention, my mother and father are like Naruto and Sakura! laugh.gif They did it on the dinner table, dad probably did something stupid, mom was shaking her fist. Then my brother belched, and I did the same to him. This is kind of how I will imagine a real NaruSau familylife.

Listen, I've been down this road with the people here before, and it's not a road I'm going to go down it again. The only thing I'm going to say is that I don't really care what you guys think of my thoughts on the matter, and that's why I didn't state my own personal feelings. I'm only telling you that this is why a lot of guys don't like Sakura and don't like the idea of NS, because in reality, there actually are girls who "send their men flying" only to cool down and "be normal" five seconds later. And there are guys out there who "don't mind."

It has nothing to do with how I see her. I've made peace with this, but much of the audience have not. That's why she isn't as popular here as she is in Japan. I'll leave it at that.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

And that's fine. But you are not the rest of the male world, let alone with the rest of the audience.



Listen, I've been down this road with the people here before, and it's not a road I'm going to go down it again. The only thing I'm going to say is that I don't really care what you guys think of my thoughts on the matter, and that's why I didn't state my own personal feelings. I'm only telling you that this is why a lot of guys don't like Sakura and don't like the idea of NS, because in reality, there actually are girls who "send their men flying" only to cool down and "be normal" five seconds later. And there are guys out there who "don't mind."

It has nothing to do with how I see her. I've made peace with this, but much of the audience have not. That's why she isn't as popular here as she is in Japan. I'll leave it at that.

Man Naruto and Sakura are totally fictional, i think the only one that suits more the real life is sasuke because he follow the common sense, his family murdered = seeks revenge.
Naruto accepted everything of bad that happened with him without hesitation or second thoughts neither he give up or this idea pass thought his mind.
Sakura tsundere stuf does not suit the real life never see any girls tsundere and i hope i never met them.

Speaking wich naruto accepts both sides of sakura.

Edited by dovahkiin, 11 July 2012 - 11:58 PM.

[TerrorKing]

And that's fine. But you are not the rest of the male world, let alone with the rest of the audience.

No, I am not and neither are you.

[Verilance]

Listen, I've been down this road with the people here before, and it's not a road I'm going to go down it again. The only thing I'm going to say is that I don't really care what you guys think of my thoughts on the matter,

Then why are you arguing about it over and over ??

That's why she isn't as popular here as she is in Japan. I'll leave it at that.

in my opinion people who don't even try understand manga (or anime for that matter) really shouldn't bother reading it, I had this discussion elsewhere because someone kept on using western values to attack the author of a certain work.

These stories are written for Japanese Teenagers (in the case of Naruto) the author really couldn't care about western values he cares only about his audience and what they expect.

[PachucoDesigns]

I give up.

[Verilance]

Dude I feel your pain but the people you describe have to see that their arguments are invalid, people just can't bring their cultural norms into a discussion that is based on another set of cultural norms.

women hitting men is wrong in real life (and especially vice-verse) but that fact has nothing to do with the issue of any manga where it is seen as comic effect, you might as well hate bugs bunny for the crap he does to the supporting cast it makes about as much sense.

Edited by Verilance, 12 July 2012 - 12:28 AM.

[Dalton.T.R]

Okay, look at it this way...with Tsunderes you don't have to buy airline tickets LOL XD

[PachucoDesigns]

Dude I feel your pain but the people you describe have to see that their arguments are invalid, people just can't bring their cultural norms into a discussion that is based on another set of cultural norms.

women hitting men is wrong in real life, but that fact has nothing to do with the issue of any manga where it is seen as comic effect, you might as well hate bugs bunny for the crap he does to the supporting cast it makes about as much sense.

Whoever said it had anything to do with hitting him? Yeah, that's a part of the unacceptable territory, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm not even saying that I hate the tsundere. It annoys me that every time I mention anything against the tsundere archetype, anything it all, it always boils down to "baaaawww! You just don't under stand manga!!!!" Yes I do. And I also understand that it was written in a Japanese social context.

And by the way, why "especially" vice versa?

Edited by PachucoDesigns, 12 July 2012 - 12:32 AM.

[Gravenimage]

Okay, look at it this way...with Tsunderes you don't have to buy airline tickets LOL XD

Lol.

[Verilance]

just a turn of phrase, I thought I should edit in that I personally disapprove of violence in any form

I understand what you were saying all I am saying is that the people who hold the point of view you were arguing were wrong

I wasn't saying you held that view because you said so many times in your posts here

[PachucoDesigns]

just a turn of phrase, I thought I should edit in that I personally disapprove of violence in any form

I understand what you were saying all I am saying is that the people who hold the point of view you were arguing were wrong

I wasn't saying you held that view because you said so many times in your posts here

Whatever you say.

[Branden]

why did Kishimoto draw a page having Hinata say she's done chasing Naruto, only to have it be a troll the next page?

[Verilance]

Whatever you say.

on that, we agree

why did Kishimoto draw a page having Hinata say she's done chasing Naruto, only to have it be a troll the next page?

it is not a troll she is going to stand beside him fighting for everything that is held dear, not following behind him

Edited by Verilance, 12 July 2012 - 12:51 AM.

[dfammer]

What the hell is wrong with you people? The only thing I'm trying to tell you is why Sakura and NS are largely not popular in America. The idea of the fiction is not appealing unless it is in some way compatible with the idea of the reality. That's all. I swear, every time I speak here, you have to make it personally about me. It isn't.


And what I'm talking about has nothing to do with the way she treated him in general in the beginning to the way she treats him in general now. What I'm talking about are the ideas that are taken for comedy in every episode paired with her sweet, heartfelt realizations that often occur in the same episode. Yes, I know it's there for comedy. Yes, I'm sure it doesn't represent how she actually feels. But if you have actually been around somebody who turns on an emotional dime that frequently, you will know why watching it is not appealing.

according to whom? You... until you come up with some kind of credible stats that back up your claim(that N.S. is "unpopular" in America),I think I will ignore it and I would advise that everyone else should do likewise...Darn you made me post and I promised myself I wouldn't get involved in these petty sqaubles anymore!

Edited by dfammer, 12 July 2012 - 12:51 AM.

[sushi.]

why did Kishimoto draw a page having Hinata say she's done chasing Naruto, only to have it be a troll the next page?

I am confused with Hinata's character. In her confession, she says she's done chasing Naruto. If I remember correctly, of course.
But didn't she say the exact same thing in 573..?

I don't get you, Hinata.