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#23561 tricksie

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 02:31 AM

wha....???

 

Is this nonsense from the novel? Naruto is no longer about ninjas at all - it's all about romance. And all the wrong ships!! 

 

edit: Deep down, I wonder what Kishimoto really thinks about this. He banged the drum for years and years that he didn't care about the pairings, that the series wasn't about that. And yet, in the end, it's ONLY about that. The cool characters, the wide story background, the fight techniques and the suspense...all gone. Now it's down to this drivel. The novels are garbage, and Boruto is awful. It is literally everything that Kishimoto said it wasn't. He must hate it now. Even if he gets a check from it. Deep down, he can't be happy with it.



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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:12 AM

wha....???

 

Is this nonsense from the novel? Naruto is no longer about ninjas at all - it's all about romance. And all the wrong ships!! 

 

edit: Deep down, I wonder what Kishimoto really thinks about this. He banged the drum for years and years that he didn't care about the pairings, that the series wasn't about that. And yet, in the end, it's ONLY about that. The cool characters, the wide story background, the fight techniques and the suspense...all gone. Now it's down to this drivel. The novels are garbage, and Boruto is awful. It is literally everything that Kishimoto said it wasn't. He must hate it now. Even if he gets a check from it. Deep down, he can't be happy with it.

And, of course, not even good romance..."unsavory rumors"...why do such a thing unless you have some sort of malicious intent behind them? Only makes Naruto look more like a scumbag.

Of course, NH extremists will try to defend it as Naruto "just being his prankster self", but at least his actual pranks in part one were HARMLESS pranks that didn't actually hurt anyone, but "unsavory rumors", especially about someone with a reputation like Kakashi, can end up having really bad consequences for the one they're about regardless of whether they're true or not, unless it gets proven without a shadow of a doubt that they're false. Otherwise, that seed of doubt about that person will always be there and people would rather be safe than sorry just in case those rumors just might be true.


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:14 AM

wha....???

 

Is this nonsense from the novel? Naruto is no longer about ninjas at all - it's all about romance. And all the wrong ships!! 

 

edit: Deep down, I wonder what Kishimoto really thinks about this. He banged the drum for years and years that he didn't care about the pairings, that the series wasn't about that. And yet, in the end, it's ONLY about that. The cool characters, the wide story background, the fight techniques and the suspense...all gone. Now it's down to this drivel. The novels are garbage, and Boruto is awful. It is literally everything that Kishimoto said it wasn't. He must hate it now. Even if he gets a check from it. Deep down, he can't be happy with it.

 

Yeah, but you THINK he would actually come out and say something instead of being an utter coward about it =/



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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:31 AM

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 

A series about ninjas with superpowers eventually became a parody of itself.


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:41 AM

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 

A series about ninjas with superpowers eventually became a parody of itself.

*reads my own post* 

and who the hell is Kahyō? were they trying to find someone like haku for kakashi to marry?

 

in any case i'm saving this screenshot before some hinata worshipper sees something he percieves as negative on her naruto wiki page and removes it


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 03:45 AM

*reads my own post* 

and who the hell is Kahyō? were they trying to find someone like haku for kakashi to marry?

Considering that the end is literally a pairing orgy, I wouldn't be surprised if Kahyo isn't Kakashi's wife or future love interest.


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 04:01 AM

Considering that the end is literally a pairing orgy, I wouldn't be surprised if Kahyo isn't Kakashi's wife or future love interest.

i think he goes out with her or has interest in her but they don't get married



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Posted 17 March 2017 - 04:06 AM

Saw something in another thread about Bolt and Salad's names, and it got me thinking.... 

 

Bolt I get (dumb, but I get it). But it's ironic that Sarada's named after a meal that is just a mess of different parts served in one bowl. Think about it — a salad is just the sum of it's parts. It's not a "new" concoction. It's not several ingredients cooked together until they are transformed into a new meal. There's a reason her name is not "Soup."

 

Just like Sasuke and Sakura didn't have a romantic connection or even merge households, there is no love between them to create a child. There is no blending or melting together. She's not a representation of their love, like with Minato and Kushina being represented in Naruto, as a mix of both of them. Sarada's not a blend of her parents, their personalities or insecurities. And she's doesn't have a blend of their skills.

 

Sakura is no where present in Sarada...so much so that they were able to do a whole story arc about her not knowing who her mother was. But beneath it all is a truth that's unresolved at the end of that arc: Sarada is all Sasuke and none of Sakura. Sakura is merely the caregiver. Her personality, her struggle and everything that she loved and represented in the series has been erased. 

 

Sarada is just broken up pieces of other characters (specifically Sasuke and Karin), dropped into a new vessel. Just like her name "Salad" says.

 

And, of course, not even good romance..."unsavory rumors"...why do such a thing unless you have some sort of malicious intent behind them? Only makes Naruto look more like a scumbag.

Of course, NH extremists will try to defend it as Naruto "just being his prankster self", but at least his actual pranks in part one were HARMLESS pranks that didn't actually hurt anyone, but "unsavory rumors", especially about someone with a reputation like Kakashi, can end up having really bad consequences for the one they're about regardless of whether they're true or not, unless it gets proven without a shadow of a doubt that they're false. Otherwise, that seed of doubt about that person will always be there and people would rather be safe than sorry just in case those rumors just might be true.

Yeah, that Naruto as the prankster garbage goes against Naruto being the future Hokage and Narutoverse peacebringer/chosen one. It doesn't show an evolution or maturing of his character. Hinata sympathizers want Naruto to revert to that part 1 prankster, especially when it concerns Kakashi, because it makes her look like the doting, devoted, forgiving girfriend/wife. Even when Naruto acts his worst, it still doesn't make Hinata look bad. 



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Posted 17 March 2017 - 04:14 AM

Saw something in another thread about Bolt and Salad's names, and it got me thinking.... 

 

Bolt I get (dumb, but I get it). But it's ironic that Sarada's named after a meal that is just a mess of different parts served in one bowl. Think about it — a salad is just the sum of it's parts. It's not a "new" concoction. It's not several ingredients cooked together until they are transformed into a new meal. There's a reason her name is not "Soup."

 

Just like Sasuke and Sakura didn't have a romantic connection or even merge households, there is no love between them to create a child. There is no blending or melting together. She's not a representation of their love, like with Minato and Kushina being represented in Naruto, as a mix of both of them. Sarada's not a blend of her parents, their personalities or insecurities. And she's doesn't have a blend of their skills.

 

Sakura is no where present in Sarada...so much so that they were able to do a whole story arc about her not knowing who her mother was. But beneath it all is a truth that's unresolved at the end of that arc: Sarada is all Sasuke and none of Sakura. Sakura is merely the caregiver. Her personality, her struggle and everything that she loved and represented in the series has been erased. 

 

 

Sarada is just broken up pieces of other characters (specifically Sasuke and Karin), dropped into a new vessel. Just like her name "Salad" says.

 

 

Yeah, that Naruto as the prankster garbage goes against Naruto being the future Hokage and Narutoverse peacebringer/chosen one. It doesn't show an evolution or maturing of his character. Hinata sympathizers want Naruto to revert to that part 1 prankster, especially when it concerns Kakashi, because it makes her look like the doting, devoted, forgiving girfriend/wife. Even when Naruto acts his worst, it still doesn't make Hinata look bad. 

sarada is a indian name which also sounds like salad in japanese so to me both of the names for the kids boruto/burrito or bolt and sarada or salad are just uninspired.  boruto is based on naruto and sarada is based on sakura/sasuke some name that begins with s  


Edited by totherpage95, 17 March 2017 - 04:17 AM.


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 01:27 PM

Hinata is one of the many villagers to pretend to regard kakshi with disgust.

Kakashi hits Naruto when Naruto is the source of these rumors, causing Hinata to actually regard Kakashi with disgust.

 

So Naruto spreads unsavory rumors about someone, while also trying to force him to become hokage  while also bad mouthing the current hokage at the same time, and hinata fine with it. In fact goes along with it. That person hits Naruto because of his actions were damaging his reputation and Hinata fines that morally reprehensible? God, she really does have a Naruto centered mind set. And that putting it mildly.

 

wha....???

 

Is this nonsense from the novel? Naruto is no longer about ninjas at all - it's all about romance. And all the wrong ships!! 

 

edit: Deep down, I wonder what Kishimoto really thinks about this. He banged the drum for years and years that he didn't care about the pairings, that the series wasn't about that. And yet, in the end, it's ONLY about that. The cool characters, the wide story background, the fight techniques and the suspense...all gone. Now it's down to this drivel. The novels are garbage, and Boruto is awful. It is literally everything that Kishimoto said it wasn't. He must hate it now. Even if he gets a check from it. Deep down, he can't be happy with it.

That's all they have left. *shakes head* That's all they have left. Remember Boruto will be a slice of life anime about Bolt's academy days. The manga is just going to be a retread of Naruto's Naruto and Sasuke rivalry plot and conflict between reforming or maintaining the ninja system.

 

He most likely isn't. Kishimoto originally put Sakura in the manga because his editor told him to add a rival for Naruto and then kishimoto decided to add a love interest as well. Basing Sakura off what type of women he likes. Then he met and married his wife; who someone notice was just like Sakura. So to please his wife and let her know he loves her while he forced to work long hours; he made Sakura more like her and made NS a "symbol" (forgetting the right literary term at the moment) of their relationship. Then he was told by his editors that "the fans that have been supporting him for years hate Sakura and love Hinata." We know how that really turned out, and this made his wife angry at him for abandoning NS that was suppose to be based off their relationship. He still married to his wife with another kid on the way, so clearly he doesn't want to leave her. But she is still probably disappointed at him, and his reputation as a mangaka was ruined by the end parings.

 

So no, he probably isn't happy with the ending. Also remember he wanted to be gone and working on his next manga by this point.

And, of course, not even good romance..."unsavory rumors"...why do such a thing unless you have some sort of malicious intent behind them? Only makes Naruto look more like a scumbag.

Of course, NH extremists will try to defend it as Naruto "just being his prankster self", but at least his actual pranks in part one were HARMLESS pranks that didn't actually hurt anyone, but "unsavory rumors", especially about someone with a reputation like Kakashi, can end up having really bad consequences for the one they're about regardless of whether they're true or not, unless it gets proven without a shadow of a doubt that they're false. Otherwise, that seed of doubt about that person will always be there and people would rather be safe than sorry just in case those rumors just might be true.

That was probably the intent. Remember the writer was the guy that had wrote the NS novels before the ending. People at the time thought he had intentionally made Naruto even more of a scumbag because he hated the ending. Remember he also called Tsunade basically worthless as hokage in that novel as well. 

 

Saw something in another thread about Bolt and Salad's names, and it got me thinking.... 

 

Bolt I get (dumb, but I get it). But it's ironic that Sarada's named after a meal that is just a mess of different parts served in one bowl. Think about it — a salad is just the sum of it's parts. It's not a "new" concoction. It's not several ingredients cooked together until they are transformed into a new meal. There's a reason her name is not "Soup."

 

Just like Sasuke and Sakura didn't have a romantic connection or even merge households, there is no love between them to create a child. There is no blending or melting together. She's not a representation of their love, like with Minato and Kushina being represented in Naruto, as a mix of both of them. Sarada's not a blend of her parents, their personalities or insecurities. And she's doesn't have a blend of their skills.

 

Sakura is no where present in Sarada...so much so that they were able to do a whole story arc about her not knowing who her mother was. But beneath it all is a truth that's unresolved at the end of that arc: Sarada is all Sasuke and none of Sakura. Sakura is merely the caregiver. Her personality, her struggle and everything that she loved and represented in the series has been erased. 

 

Sarada is just broken up pieces of other characters (specifically Sasuke and Karin), dropped into a new vessel. Just like her name "Salad" says.

 

Yeah, that Naruto as the prankster garbage goes against Naruto being the future Hokage and Narutoverse peacebringer/chosen one. It doesn't show an evolution or maturing of his character. Hinata sympathizers want Naruto to revert to that part 1 prankster, especially when it concerns Kakashi, because it makes her look like the doting, devoted, forgiving girfriend/wife. Even when Naruto acts his worst, it still doesn't make Hinata look bad. 

I like you reason for why the nickname works better then mine.

 

All character suffered regression because of that ending.

sarada is a indian name which also sounds like salad in japanese so to me both of the names for the kids boruto/burrito or bolt and sarada or salad are just uninspired.  boruto is based on naruto and sarada is based on sakura/sasuke some name that begins with s  

It's common for word have different meanings in different languages. Sarada is an Indian name which means "Harvest" or "Autumn." But I don't think Kishimoto was going for that and Sarada is the Japanese word for "salad." In Japan "R" and "L" are the same letter. So Salad first turns into Sarad. But then because Japanese alphabet ends in a vowels that "d" needs an vowel at the end so an "a" is added turning Salad into Sarad then Sarada.

 

Remember Boruto is the "Bolt" that hold the nH relationship together. Orochimaru's brat got a one shot for what his name means. While Sarada got a ten chapter mini series of "Who My Mommy?" She is the only one that doesn't have her names meaning explained so I really do think he just gave her the name salad out of either spite or apathy.  


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 17 March 2017 - 01:38 PM.


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:41 PM

wha....???

 

Is this nonsense from the novel? Naruto is no longer about ninjas at all - it's all about romance. And all the wrong ships!! 

 

edit: Deep down, I wonder what Kishimoto really thinks about this. He banged the drum for years and years that he didn't care about the pairings, that the series wasn't about that. And yet, in the end, it's ONLY about that. The cool characters, the wide story background, the fight techniques and the suspense...all gone. Now it's down to this drivel. The novels are garbage, and Boruto is awful. It is literally everything that Kishimoto said it wasn't. He must hate it now. Even if he gets a check from it. Deep down, he can't be happy with it.

 

In my opinion, he dug Naruto's grave when he caved in and went with "Pedo Clown's" idea. He can regret it all he wants but he will NEVER make it right unless he comes clean and SP comes clean with their intent. Plus they (SP) apologize for being avaricious jerks and Kishi apologizes for being spineless and not sticking up for his story or characters when it really counted


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Posted 18 March 2017 - 06:27 PM

This is somewhat off topic but. I remember the History Strongest Disciple Kenichi ended a month or so before Naruto did. Also I remember that it felt like at the time that; either the mangaka had run out of ideas and just decided to end it or it was cancelled. Mainly because of how suddenly it just decided to end. So I just looked up what the mangaka is doing now and it turns out by December of 2014 he was already producing his next manga Tokiwa Kitareri which is apparently a supernatural scifi manga, that's still ongoing. So he went from a marital arts shounen battle manga to a supernatural scifi manga in 3 months, doing what has taken 2 years and counting for Kishimoto to even start.

 

Also another thought that just popped into my head. Dragon Age Inquisition came out around the time the Naruto manga ended, and Mass Effect Andromeda is coming out the week the anime ends (well before it just goes into Boruto.)


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Posted 18 March 2017 - 06:49 PM

This is somewhat off topic but. I remember the History Strongest Disciple Kenichi ended a month or so before Naruto did. Also I remember that it felt like at the time that; either the mangaka had run out of ideas and just decided to end it or it was cancelled. Mainly because of how suddenly it just decided to end. So I just looked up what the mangaka is doing now and it turns out by December of 2014 he was already producing his next manga Tokiwa Kitareri which is apparently a supernatural scifi manga, that's still ongoing. So he went from a marital arts shounen battle manga to a supernatural scifi manga in 3 months, doing what has taken 2 years and counting for Kishimoto to even start.
 
Also another thought that just popped into my head. Dragon Age Inquisition came out around the time the Naruto manga ended, and Mass Effect Andromeda is coming out the week the anime ends (well before it just goes into Boruto.)




So have you checked out the other manga he is doing?

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:43 PM

Imm sorry but is there anyone with even the slightest objectivity that doesnt KNOW with a 100% certainty that Sarada was Karins daughter with Sasuke and was always intended to be so.


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Posted 18 March 2017 - 08:46 PM

Imm sorry but is there anyone with even the slightest objectivity that doesnt KNOW with a 100% certainty that Sarada was Karins daughter with Sasuke and was always intended to be so.

Nop. You're not alone. There are many on the same boat as you with me included.



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Posted 18 March 2017 - 08:57 PM

Imm sorry but is there anyone with even the slightest objectivity that doesnt KNOW with a 100% certainty that Sarada was Karins daughter with Sasuke and was always intended to be so.


Wait you mean the fans or the idiots in the story. Cause for fans yes sarada is Karin and Sasuke daughter and I think sakura is raising her to give a better life.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 10:49 PM

Nope which is all the more reason to get furious with the ending if your a Sakura fan regardless of what you ship as they can just throw her under the bus and have it be Karin's mum whenever they fell like it.



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 03:29 AM

This is somewhat off topic but. I remember the History Strongest Disciple Kenichi ended a month or so before Naruto did. Also I remember that it felt like at the time that; either the mangaka had run out of ideas and just decided to end it or it was cancelled. Mainly because of how suddenly it just decided to end. So I just looked up what the mangaka is doing now and it turns out by December of 2014 he was already producing his next manga Tokiwa Kitareri which is apparently a supernatural scifi manga, that's still ongoing. So he went from a marital arts shounen battle manga to a supernatural scifi manga in 3 months, doing what has taken 2 years and counting for Kishimoto to even start.

 

Also another thought that just popped into my head. Dragon Age Inquisition came out around the time the Naruto manga ended, and Mass Effect Andromeda is coming out the week the anime ends (well before it just goes into Boruto.)

huh? kenichi wasn't canceled, it actually had an ending, a much better one that naruto in fact. it ends with kenichi writing a book about his adventures and has a picture of him and miu married with their own little girl. I mean  I should know, after the ending I watched the anime until it cut off, then read the rest of the manga it didn't cover which was over 380 chapters not covered in the anime, twas amazing.  and it wasn't an abrupt ending or anything, don't know why you thought that, they had a final battle arc where they finally took down yomi and yami before the ending, and miu got her father back. it was way better written and not rushed like naruto was.

 

could it be where you read it from didn't have all the chapters? I mean I read it at mangapanda, it had them all.


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:30 PM

remember when minato used to look like this?

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:43 PM

remember when minato used to look like this?

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This pic is like a palm grew up atop of his head :P


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