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[VanitasDS76491]

My favourite pairings for CG are Lulu X Kallen and Lulu X C.C. I don't care what the writers say the Lelouch X C.C. moments are pretty romantic to me
 
I HATE Lulu X Shirley though, Shirley reminds me of someone

Hinata is that who she reminds you of. In codement Shirley' s even worse.

[TheFirstEvil100]

gosh i hate/despise goku with a burning passion now. probably more than naruto, idk. even if he had told the omniking "hey lets just say you'll erase them just so they wont hold back" its the most d ick ish and selfish move i have ever seen any protagonist do. Glad his fanboys are still salty over his rightful loss over a fan made battle. bunch of crybabies whining over their dumbass "hero".

I know how you feel I hate Goku right now hell Yamcha has more brains than Goku right now.

 

Still I see both Him and Naruto as dumb asses.

[Bail o' Lies]

 

I was under impression that Naruto game series are not on 'top tier' of performing games.

 

Based on quick check on the internet, it seems to be true enough though:

 

http://vgsales.wikia...game_franchises

 

The whole Naruto franchise game sold about 10 million, while the whole DB franchise game sold about 40.5 million. That's 1:4 ratio you got there --which easily dwarfs Naruto series.

 

And the decision to end the way Naruto series ended didn't help at all.

To make matter worst. Yokai watch despite starting around the same time Naruto was ending (2013-2014 roughly) has sold 10 million in about five years, while Naruto going on seventeen, also remember that it movie did better in the franchise's second year then The Last did when they were released at the same time.

 

 

What a fan made redesign or something else?

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 10 March 2017 - 02:01 AM.

[sushi.]

Shirley is more like Orihime than Hinata though. They all have that typical anime highschool girl look..they cry often, but unlike Hinata, Orihime and Shirley are good, selfless, and brave people.

[T XD]

 

Apparently! So if anything becomes canon, Lelouch x Kallen has the most going for it at the moment.

It seems so.

 

I was stuck between Kallen and Shirley tbh. I think they both captured different sides of him, but that maybe Shirley would've been a good fit had he just lived a normal life without getting a Geass.

I see Kallen spending more time with Lelouche and her character is compatible with Lelouche's character. 

 

Watch codement abridged by purpleyesWTF it's really good and funny. I haven't watch all of it yet but what I did I like both lelouch with c.c and kallen but if I had to choose I'd say kallen should have gotten with lelouch.

It seems Lelouche and Kallen have the most chance to be together. 

[rocci]

I don't think we should talk about code geas in this thread.

[VanitasDS76491]

To be far James you have fanboys in everything now no matter where you go you will have that one fan that will think they know everything and that you are wrong all shows have them some are just more crazy than most.
 
I mean look at Pokemon with Red fanboys saying that Red is the best pokemon trainer ever to live, when in fact we are Red we did the things that he done, its got so crazy that Red fanboys bash Ash for no reason other than he does not win that is not Ash's fault its just the writers who don't want to age him.
 
Then you have the Star wars fanboys who say the original trilogy is the best and everything else is just stupid and not needed many bash clone Wars and rebles cause Luke and Han were not in them.
 
I do blame Death battle for this who would win in a fight with Goku and Superman now I am not a Superman fan more of a Batman fan myself cause that is what I watched as a kid, but me I don't care who wins in a fight I just like seeing bad guys get their ass handed them and what Villians they will have to face, now I do like some of the Superman Villians as I do the Batman ones.
 
Now with villain in a grey area scale to me man writers need to handle that very carefuly, or you will get something like Naruto in which its just to make us feel sorry for them and I got kittening sick of that kitten, more so with the whole Uchiha kitten that Kishi dumped on us to make us pity them.
 
Now some shows can handle this very well I mean I remember Justice leauge that had villains in a grey area scale and they handle it well not just cartons either, doing something like this needs time to do and well thought out planning and a villain in a grey area scale does not always work for all shows some are just simple with good guys and bad guys, it just depends in what Show/anime/manga a villain in a grey area scale would fit in.
 
As for Goku well he is a dumb ass even I will admit he is very stupid one thing I can say is Superman is far smarter than Goku then agin everyone is smarter than Goku.
 
Another good one is the Walking dead as its full of grey ares which is why I love the Walking dead more so Negan he is just fun to watch.

Here's a clip form bojack horseman https://m.youtube.co...h?v=ak9QV2Zu7CU if you can watch do cause it's the perfect metaphor for naruto, sasuke, hinata so good.

[James S Cassidy]

that's because they've been wrong on their calcs before. goku for example in both goku vs superman death battles was nerffed, still would have lost to superman I guess, unless the no limit to strength thing is fake too and his power is only linked to yellow sunlight, not sure, but yeah, and the whole god mode superman thing was fake, a user on comic vine posted all the comic panels debunking all those feats they used, so now people who know about it now consider death battle a joke and run by superman fanboys.

 

here's the post debunking superman 1 million if you're curious http://comicvine.gam...illion-1642666/

"Superman is as strong as he needs to be."

It is as simple as that.

That's all I can say. It is up to the writer to really decide who wins in a battle against each other, but the fans always think they know better. Well, a lot of people thought Hulk and Thor could beat Superman too, but in both times they crossed over....Superman kicked both their butts. Hulk especially rather easily. 

The link you have posted, I have seen it before, but it still doesn't prove that Goku can beat Superman simply because the core of their characters. It is also not with my understand to take fans at their honest core especially not Goku fanboys like the one posted. If Superman only limit is what the writer wants, but Goku's character limit is he has to struggle on a power scale....then the only limitation Superman has is how strong the writer wants to make him. If a writer says "Superman is the most powerful being in the DC universe" and shows it in his comic...and DC says it is canon....then he is the most powerful being in the universe. Look at Grant Morrison's work with All-Star Superman where Superman's powers kept growing and built immunizes to both Kryptonite and magic.

Now, Toriyama can break his own rule about Goku if he wanted, but it would be like Naruto again with massive bullcrap and betraying the true message of the series.

Besides, as DB showed, even if they supposedly "nerfed" Goku...there are no feats that Goku has done that ever trumps what Superman has ever did. Has Goku ever patched holes in reality? Lifted a book that was infinite mass or at least the mass of multiple universes? Has Goku even destroyed a universe before? Superman has. He also survived the creation of a universe while being in the center of it.

Death Battle admitted that they cannot pinpoint Goku's limits and powers as accurate as Superman, but even so many fans have shown and DB said themselves, you can multiply Goku's abilities by 1 billion and it still wouldn't be enough to match Superman at average, not even fully powered or maximum potential. It is not about favoritism, it is about facts and the fact is that Goku can never be as powerful as Superman ever because of their writers and what they stand for. Ask a Goku fanboys and they grossly imagine Goku's abilities: "He can punch a universe apart in three punches." If that were really true, then no opponent could beat Goku. And heck, Superman has destroyed universes with ONE Punch. So....again, whatever Goku can be assumed of doing, Superman has not only done it, but topped it.

Hell, I bet Toriyama himself would say that Superman beats Goku and you wouldn't believe it. You can;t say Goku can bench press the earth, but in the manga he struggles with not even 100 tons just in base form.

This is a prime example of why fandoms have gotten so cringy lately. They can never admit that maybe...JUST maybe there are far more powerful heroes and villains out there. And when asked to prove such a feat that they claim, they either start raging or they take one single panel so far out of context that it is ridiculous.

I am a Superman fan and even I can admit that there are heroes far more powerful than Superman, but Goku isn't one of them.

I mean, how many fans can claim "Naruto beats Goku" simply because he struggles more or because he has "so much hidden potential?"
When we all know that this is exactly what would happen:


And I don't need numbers, or feats, or anything of that sort to prove this. Would you need numbers and feats to prove that Goku beats Naruto or it that obvious that there is no need for an argument?

Fansboys on the other hand need that proof despite never believing it. How many times have arguments went like this?
Fanboy: Show when that character does that?"
You: *Shows panels, comic, and canonization of it.*
Fanboy: "That doesn't prove anything, plus it is taken out of context."

And it goes for both sides, don't get me wrong, but facts are facts.

Like Goku vs Naruto. I know exactly the outcome of Goku vs Superman and I don't need numbers or benches to know who would truly win.

You know what it takes to defeat an Evil Superman? A Good Superman.

All I will say in the end though is that anyone thinks Superman is boring chances are have never read a Superman comic in their life.
 

this whole tournament over which universe is gonna end with either a punchline at the end ("nah i just said that so ya'll could fight at your maximum") or goku is up there with naruto as the biggest idiotic butthole. either way, im not invested. which is bad. ever since super started (the movies included) it reminds me of a mcdonalds happy meal :/ dbz really should have stayed done and over with because there really isn't anything exciting or new and there's plenty of anime that surpass it in terms of action but hey, merchandising i guess.

And this is one of the reasons why I started losing interest in DBZ as well...same with Naruto....it stopped being compelling and they use the same writing tropes over and over to create drama.

One Punch Man does it too, but satires it to the point that it is funny, not cliche. And that is exactly why I love the series...it is a breath of fresh air in this polluted shonen franchise right now.

People always ask me what is the difference between a trope and a cliche? A trope is when a writing trick effectively show cases an interesting plot point that shocks and awes people. A cliche is when a trope is used far too much and written so poorly that it is too predictable and boring. This is what is happening with Dragonball and this is what happened to Naruto during the war arc. Everything was far too predictable or so cringy that it stopped being compelling and started being more cop-outs.
 

 

To be far James you have fanboys in everything now no matter where you go you will have that one fan that will think they know everything and that you are wrong all shows have them some are just more crazy than most.

And you are right. You are absolutely right, but do you remember a time when fanboys were on a down low or they were there and they weren't as dominate? The real fans, the fans who truly know the show inside and out, seem to have gone silent and the fanboys are running amok.

Worse still when the writers are listening more to the fanboys than they do the real fans.

Now every person I run into there is like a good chance they are a fanboy.
 

 

I do blame Death battle for this who would win in a fight with Goku and Superman now I am not a Superman fan more of a Batman fan myself cause that is what I watched as a kid, but me I don't care who wins in a fight I just like seeing bad guys get their ass handed them and what Villians they will have to face, now I do like some of the Superman Villians as I do the Batman ones.

 

Now with villain in a grey area scale to me man writers need to handle that very carefuly, or you will get something like Naruto in which its just to make us feel sorry for them and I got kittening sick of that kitten, more so with the whole Uchiha kitten that Kishi dumped on us to make us pity them.

 

Now some shows can handle this very well I mean I remember Justice leauge that had villains in a grey area scale and they handle it well not just cartons either, doing something like this needs time to do and well thought out planning and a villain in a grey area scale does not always work for all shows some are just simple with good guys and bad guys, it just depends in what Show/anime/manga a villain in a grey area scale would fit in.

I don't blame Death battle for anything because the whole Goku vs Superman argument has existed every since Dragonball was created. Plus, the whole Goku vs Superman argument was requested by the fans themselves, most notably the Goku fans, to put to rest. So they trust DB for the result and when they didn't get the result they wanted...they cried and said DB was fake. Wizard magazine did it too and they said GOku would win from a fall from orbit, but we know that Superman can survive that so how reliable are they? I have seen Goku wins battles against Superman, but it was mostly popularity vote than actual facts.

It is like the SS fans....you can give them everything they want, but they STILL call Sakura a terrible character and thinks she should die. You can't make these people change their mind about anything even if you give them exactly what they wanted. And this is a problem. No one is ever happy no matter what so I say, you might as well do what you want to do and not what the fans or anyone else wants you to do. This was Kishimoto's problem.

As for the bolded part: Yes and No.
You see, Grey area villains, or sometimes even Anti-heroes are good when they are rare. Kishimoto on the other hand made all the main villains and big threats into grey areas. Like ever villain had a sob story that we had to feel sorry for.

You like Batman, but here is the thing, Batman's popularity IS with the villains not with the character himself. I mean, let me ask you this...did you watch The Dark Knight, if you did at all, because you thought Batman was amazing or was it because the Joker was in it? 9/10 people only watched it for the Joker. Hell, the number 1 Batman comic isn't even about Batman, it is about the Joker.

As Alfred said: "Some people just want to watch the world burn." And this is why everyone loved the Joker. Everything was a joke to him. A huge sadistic joke. These villains had interesting flavors. All of Batman's villain range from "World burning man" to "Sob story victim." Hell, Joker was both if you take Killing Joke as canon.

And this is where Kishimoto failed really hard.





 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 10 March 2017 - 07:29 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

And you are right. You are absolutely right, but do you remember a time when fanboys were on a down low or they were there and they weren't as dominate? The real fans, the fans who truly know the show inside and out, seem to have gone silent and the fanboys are running amok.

Worse still when the writers are listening more to the fanboys than they do the real fans.

Now every person I run into there is like a good chance they are a fanboy.
 

 

I don't blame Death battle for anything because the whole Goku vs Superman argument has existed every since Dragonball was created. Plus, the whole Goku vs Superman argument was requested by the fans themselves, most notably the Goku fans, to put to rest. So they trust DB for the result and when they didn't get the result they wanted...they cried and said DB was fake. Wizard magazine did it too and they said GOku would win from a fall from orbit, but we know that Superman can survive that so how reliable are they? I have seen Goku wins battles against Superman, but it was mostly popularity vote than actual facts.

It is like the SS fans....you can give them everything they want, but they STILL call Sakura a terrible character and thinks she should die. You can't make these people change their mind about anything even if you give them exactly what they wanted. And this is a problem. No one is ever happy no matter what so I say, you might as well do what you want to do and not what the fans or anyone else wants you to do. This was Kishimoto's problem.

As for the bolded part: Yes and No.
You see, Grey area villains, or sometimes even Anti-heroes are good when they are rare. Kishimoto on the other hand made all the main villains and big threats into grey areas. Like ever villain had a sob story that we had to feel sorry for.

You like Batman, but here is the thing, Batman's popularity IS with the villains not with the character himself. I mean, let me ask you this...did you watch The Dark Knight, if you did at all, because you thought Batman was amazing or was it because the Joker was in it? 9/10 people only watched it for the Joker. Hell, the number 1 Batman comic isn't even about Batman, it is about the Joker.

As Alfred said: "Some people just want to watch the world burn." And this is why everyone loved the Joker. Everything was a joke to him. A huge sadistic joke. These villains had interesting flavors. All of Batman's villain range from "World burning man" to "Sob story victim." Hell, Joker was both if you take Killing Joke as canon.

And this is where Kishimoto failed really hard.
 

To be far I'm not good at learning all there is to a show as some things I have messed up on in the past like with Yugioh I never knew it was a manga first and thought 4kids done it to be far I was 9 when it came out still loved it. but me I am just a fan I don't go all crazy with who would win a fight and who is stronger and all that.

 

That is true, but it can be good look at star wars with Thrwan fans hated that he was taken out of canon but the writers heard this and added him in very well I might from what I have seen so far, its just but I think with Star Wars it just the real fans in that part but I agree on fanboys I still get attacked by NH fans on fanfiction attacking me.

 

I don't think Death Battle can be that reliable anymore that from what I have heard, then again I have been off and on thanks to being ill so much its really what others think, me I don't really care I watch for the cool battles and to have fun.

 

Thing is james Kishi has no back bone he even bashes her now saying she is nothing but like Kiba, I mean I just feel sorry for her more and more cause Kishi was a sexist pig thinking it would be bad if Sakura moved on and males thinking woman are nothing and should be below them, that the vibe I get from both NH and SS fans man.

 

Good point on grey Villians its why I love the walking dead so much I mean just look at Negan mainly from the comics he does bad things like kill and brun your face off but the one thing he hates is rape, there are other shows that do this this far better than Kishi ever could but the stupid moron was high or something thinking everyone could hold hand hence why he wanted Naruto to make world peace which failed badly.

 

With Batman mainly the Dark Knight  I wanted to see how Batman would be around the Joker as I have always loved the way the two interacted with each other kind of like a Yin and Yang thing with them as I did grow up watching the Cartoon version and how they fought each other and talk to the other as well, even in the games that came out were very good, That and I wanted to see any new gagets that Batman would use I like the gagtes, but again many Batman fans like the villians.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Shirley is more like Orihime than Hinata though. They all have that typical anime highschool girl look..they cry often, but unlike Hinata, Orihime and Shirley are good, selfless, and brave people.

I always compared Hinata more to Nina, only she hasn't had anything "wrong" happen to break her mask yet and make her go nuts like with Nina.

[BlueStarSaber]

gosh i hate/despise goku with a burning passion now. probably more than naruto, idk. even if he had told the omniking "hey lets just say you'll erase them just so they wont hold back" its the most d ick ish and selfish move i have ever seen any protagonist do. Glad his fanboys are still salty over his rightful loss over a fan made battle. bunch of crybabies whining over their dumbass "hero".

 

You know this is probably going to be the case, as I recall they did a mini arc with Hit trying to assassinate Goku, only to out Goku had hired him so he would fight Hit without him holding back. You even have Goku fans defending if it not the case and Omniking will destroy the losing universes, that the universe should be thanking Goku as they now have a chance to survive if they win the tournament as Omiking was going to destory them without them knowing. When I first heard of this I thought this was dumbest move Toei could ever do for goku and his selfishness can no longer be tolerated, granted he has always had a selfish attitude but this makes him an grade A moron and can no longer be sympathetic and this is coming for a guy who never grew up with dragon ball and never really became a fan of the series.

[VanitasDS76491]

I always compared Hinata more to Nina, only she hasn't had anything "wrong" happen to break her mask yet and make her go nuts like with Nina.

Oh I agree in codement Nina is obessed with the corlina' s sister.

[ultranx]

sigh james, the point of my comment was never if goku could beat superman, I hate goku vs superman debates, so sick of them, could care less who wins, my point was superman 1 million, the supposed god form of superman that was in the sun for 1000 years, is fake, its fans overglorifying it, all superman 1 million is is superman prime supercharged a little bit by the sun and the super charge is only temporary anyway. so apparently you didn't read my comment if you're talking about my post not meaning goku could beat superman when that was never my point, my point was the superman god form thing is fake. and that death battle used that fanmade crap in their death battle, which means death battle is a joke.

 

now. can we stop going off topic and go back to naruto related things instead of everyone replying to me only to either  talk about how much they hate a character  I like or turning this into a stupid goku vs superman thing out of nowhere?

Edited by ultranx, 11 March 2017 - 12:43 AM.

[Catra]

should there have been only 3 uchiha's and only 3 of them able to use the MS?

[VanitasDS76491]

should there have been only 3 uchiha's and only 3 of them able to use the MS?

So itachi, madara and Sasuke. Just have it be madara and itachi.

[James S Cassidy]

sigh james, the point of my comment was never if goku could beat superman....

If there is no point, then don't post it.

I am sorry, but I am stopping your post right here because honestly, if you don't like these arguments....then it is best not to join. You can sigh all you want, but I am just saying you don't need to be involve something you hate. It's not good for you. I cut down on doing things I hate and my life is getting better everyday.

Now, if the point you are making is to prove that Superman has fanboys, then yeah he does. Maybe things are taken out of context, but it is slight compared to Goku, mostly because Toriyama is very ambiguous on power gauges in the series....which may be the whole point. ("Power levels are a big joke.") However, this was beside the point. Fans really cannot be trusted to prove characters because the bias can cloud objective thoughts. I mean, DB showcased comics of Superman doing all the things they say and some of these fans can't even accept them.

These arguments are horrible when the people don;t want to listen to things that are true or factual.

Like how we argue NS to pro-ender NH fans and yet they still think Hinata is unbeatable, ultra powerful, and the best.

 

[VanitasDS76491]

If there is no point, then don't post it.
I am sorry, but I am stopping your post right here because honestly, if you don't like these arguments....then it is best not to join. You can sigh all you want, but I am just saying you don't need to be involve something you hate. It's not good for you. I cut down on doing things I hate and my life is getting better everyday.
Now, if the point you are making is to prove that Superman has fanboys, then yeah he does. Maybe things are taken out of context, but it is slight compared to Goku, mostly because Toriyama is very ambiguous on power gauges in the series....which may be the whole point. ("Power levels are a big joke.") However, this was beside the point. Fans really cannot be trusted to prove characters because the bias can cloud objective thoughts. I mean, DB showcased comics of Superman doing all the things they say and some of these fans can't even accept them.
These arguments are horrible when the people don;t want to listen to things that are true or factual.
Like how we argue NS to pro-ender NH fans and yet they still think Hinata is unbeatable, ultra powerful, and the best.

Ya try aurging with them about hinata beating darkseid, thanos, galactus, whitebeard, anyone from one piece, zeref, acnologia, hiei or vegeta.
I saw an anime fight where Nico robin and Lucy fought hinata and robin but Hinata beat Lucy, though Lucy didn't have her star dresses. I also saw hiei vs sasuke and this ending rinnegan sasuke and hiei won.

[ultranx]

If there is no point, then don't post it.

I am sorry, but I am stopping your post right here because honestly, if you don't like these arguments....then it is best not to join. You can sigh all you want, but I am just saying you don't need to be involve something you hate. It's not good for you. I cut down on doing things I hate and my life is getting better everyday.

Now, if the point you are making is to prove that Superman has fanboys, then yeah he does. Maybe things are taken out of context, but it is slight compared to Goku, mostly because Toriyama is very ambiguous on power gauges in the series....which may be the whole point. ("Power levels are a big joke.") However, this was beside the point. Fans really cannot be trusted to prove characters because the bias can cloud objective thoughts. I mean, DB showcased comics of Superman doing all the things they say and some of these fans can't even accept them.

These arguments are horrible when the people don;t want to listen to things that are true or factual.

Like how we argue NS to pro-ender NH fans and yet they still think Hinata is unbeatable, ultra powerful, and the best.

 

I posted because the topic in the first place was related to death battle, you're the one that turned it into goku vs superman, my post was that death battle has been wrong before.  and I gave the god form as an example of the mistakes death battle has made, that was it. the link even has the actual comic panels debunking everything, if you're saying it doesn't debunk it at all that's you being bias, not me, you're the only one arguing about that stupid death battle, I never was.

 

I also gave the goku calcs as an example, because they used snake way as a calculator for his speed not even factoring in the increase in speed when fighting burter, or how snake way was a bad way to do it to begin with with its constant curves, then they also used the 40 ton weights as a calculator for his strength, also incorrect since that was for comedic purposes and goku didn't even have to try to move with the weights when super saiyan and they treated it like he had trouble even while super saiyan .

then there's the fact me and others told them not to do the death battles til battle of gods and super were out, twice they didn't listen, and now they make goku out to be much weaker than he is in super because of that, in super he's basically multiversal now. does that mean he can beat superman? no, but do I care about the fight in the first place or who wins? no.

 

they were also wrong with ryu hayabusa, they didn't even use all his abilities and feats, in an actual death battle, striker couldn't kill hayabusa at all, because he has the hayabusa falcon spirit, which resurrects him whenever he dies, which is not only a game mechanic but an actual plot point ability. so hayabusa would just wear striker down and eventually kill him.

 

so yes,death battle has been wrong before, hence why I understand why people hate on them, so enough with the attitude, can we please go back on topic to naruto related things?

Edited by ultranx, 12 March 2017 - 02:57 AM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Ok since everyone seems to be getting sick of goku vs superman and dragon ball in general; here is a Naruto discussion I'd like to hear about, what would have done with the Pain Arc instead of what we got? For me at least I would f had Tsunade face of against Pain like Kishimoto had originally planned until an editor said no let Naruto have all the spotlight, I probably would of also done it the way storm 2 with Sakura and Shikamru as support given how they faced akatsuki members before ( i would of also have it commented that Pain knew that the were responsible for the defeats of sasori and Hidan).

[VanitasDS76491]

Ok since everyone seems to be getting sick of goku vs superman and dragon ball in general; here is a Naruto discussion I'd like to hear about, what would have done with the Pain Arc instead of what we got? For me at least I would f had Tsunade face of against Pain like Kishimoto had originally planned until an editor said no let Naruto have all the spotlight, I probably would of also done it the way storm 2 with Sakura and Shikamru as support given how they faced akatsuki members before ( i would of also have it commented that Pain knew that the were responsible for the defeats of sasori and Hidan).

That would be good cause really after tsunade fight orochimaru back in part one she became worthless and did nothing one wrong move was how she refuses to brand sasuke a traitor just because naruto and Sakura didn't want, plus her letting naruto have too much freedom with sasuke issue. She could have pulled rank on him and threaten him with banishment or worse if he continued to chase after sasuke same with Sakura.