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[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Aki was decent up through the Earthbound God arc, but after that, she is quickly reduced to being a cheerleader or, in the case of the WRGP, even a stepping stone for Yusei and, like Asuka in GX, ends up more regulated to the background. Still infinitely better than Hinata, but yeah...though Arc-V sort of made-up for Asuka a little bit.

[ultranx]

Your thoughts on jaden and Alexis?

I've always shipped them, always wanted more to happen between them and yeah both were awesome characters. I used to love the flame wing man cards til 5D's came around. now I have shooting quasar dragon and other good synchros, the egyptian god cards, and exodia xD

 

 

Aki was decent up through the Earthbound God arc, but after that, she is quickly reduced to being a cheerleader or, in the case of the WRGP, even a stepping stone for Yusei and, like Asuka in GX, ends up more regulated to the background. Still infinitely better than Hinata, but yeah...though Arc-V sort of made-up for Asuka a little bit.

you kidding? she did more than Alexis ever did, and she still had moments after the Earthbound arc, she became a

D wheeler and helped Yusei win against team unicorn(I  HATE TEAM UNICORN!!! GRR....their unicorn cards were so annoying to deal with in legacy of the duelist, finally resorted to slaughtering them with triple shooting quasar dragon combo), and then helped Crow win against sherry. I mean sure she didn't have as many moments after earthbound but she still was better than Alexis.

 

and no, Arc V doesn't make up for Alexis since its a completely different Alexis from an alternate dimension. I mean, I see where it kinda makes it up to Alexis fans since she's done alot more than the original Alexis, but still different characters.

Edited by ultranx, 07 March 2017 - 09:12 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

I've always shipped them, always wanted more to happen between them and yeah both were awesome characters. I used to love the flame wing man cards til 5D's came around. now I have shooting quasar dragon and other good synchros, the egyptian god cards, and exodia xD
 
 

you kidding? she did more than Alexis ever did, and she still had moments after the Earthbound arc, she became a
D wheeler and helped Yusei win against team unicorn(I  HATE TEAM UNICORN!!! GRR....their unicorn cards were so annoying to deal with in legacy of the duelist, finally resorted to slaughtering them with triple shooting quasar dragon combo), and then helped Crow win against sherry. I mean sure she didn't have as many moments after earthbound but she still was better than Alexis.
 
and no, Arc V doesn't make up for Alexis since its a completely different Alexis from an alternate dimension. I mean, I see where it kinda makes it up to Alexis fans since she's done alot more than the original Alexis, but still different characters.

Wonder what would happen if Alexis turned supreme queen along side jaden in season three or was possited by yubel instead of jesse.

[Moon_Girl]

I've always shipped them, always wanted more to happen between them and yeah both were awesome characters. I used to love the flame wing man cards til 5D's came around. now I have shooting quasar dragon and other good synchros, the egyptian god cards, and exodia xD

 

 

you kidding? she did more than Alexis ever did, and she still had moments after the Earthbound arc, she became a

D wheeler and helped Yusei win against team unicorn(I  HATE TEAM UNICORN!!! GRR....their unicorn cards were so annoying to deal with in legacy of the duelist, finally resorted to slaughtering them with triple shooting quasar dragon combo), and then helped Crow win against sherry. I mean sure she didn't have as many moments after earthbound but she still was better than Alexis.

 

and no, Arc V doesn't make up for Alexis since its a completely different Alexis from an alternate dimension. I mean, I see where it kinda makes it up to Alexis fans since she's done alot more than the original Alexis, but still different characters.

Yea, she did more. But the whole D-Wheel thing, she did just because she wanted to get closer to Yusei due to her feelings for him. Doing things for the guy you like instead of yourself? Reminds me too much of Hinaturd.  Not saying they're on the same level, no Aki is miles above Hinaturd. 
But the cliche in anime/manga of girls wanting to get better or do something only because of their crush is a huge pet peeve of mine. I'm sick and tired of seeing it. I want stronger female characters that aren't run by their feelings for someone. The fans get all sympathetic with them and turn into shipping monsters. (Best example: Hinaturd) The 5D's fandom was pretty close to that as well. If you dared to ship Aki with anyone other than Yusei, you were a heathen. 

Her duel in the tournament would have been way better if she didn't start crying at the end because she lost. 
I like Aki a lot...but not post Dark Signer arc. She kind of was reduced to 'the chick', run by her feelings for Yusei, sat in the background more often than not and became the typical 'heroine with a crush on the hero'. She could have been way better. I blame the original writer leaving after the Dark Signer arc.

Edited by Moon_Girl, 07 March 2017 - 11:34 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Yea, she did more. But the whole D-Wheel thing, she did just because she wanted to get closer to Yusei due to her feelings for him. Doing things for the guy you like instead of yourself? Reminds me too much of Hinaturd.  Not saying they're on the same level, no Aki is miles above Hinaturd. 
But the cliche in anime/manga of girls wanting to get better or do something only because of their crush is a huge pet peeve of mine. I'm sick and tired of seeing it. I want stronger female characters that aren't run by their feelings for someone. The fans get all sympathetic with them and turn into shipping monsters. (Best example: Hinaturd) The 5D's fandom was pretty close to that as well. If you dared to ship Aki with anyone other than Yusei, you were a heathen. 
Her duel in the tournament would have been way better if she didn't start crying at the end because she lost. 
I like Aki a lot...but not post Dark Signer arc. She kind of was reduced to 'the chick', run by her feelings for Yusei, sat in the background more often than not and became the typical 'heroine with a crush on the hero'. She could have been way better. I blame the original writer leaving after the Dark Signer arc.

That's why I like the girls in fairy tail they don't do that, the reason they stronger is for their friends. Also that's why rukia is awesome and mikasa. They got stronger to protect those they cared about. Same with Sakura in shippuden she got stronger to "save " sasuke and protect naruto. Can hinata say she got stronger for naruto no.

[ultranx]

Yea, she did more. But the whole D-Wheel thing, she did just because she wanted to get closer to Yusei due to her feelings for him. Doing things for the guy you like instead of yourself? Reminds me too much of Hinaturd.  Not saying they're on the same level, no Aki is miles above Hinaturd. 
But the cliche in anime/manga of girls wanting to get better or do something only because of their crush is a huge pet peeve of mine. I'm sick and tired of seeing it. I want stronger female characters that aren't run by their feelings for someone. The fans get all sympathetic with them and turn into shipping monsters. (Best example: Hinaturd) The 5D's fandom was pretty close to that as well. If you dared to ship Aki with anyone other than Yusei, you were a heathen. 

Her duel in the tournament would have been way better if she didn't start crying at the end because she lost. 
I like Aki a lot...but not post Dark Signer arc. She kind of was reduced to 'the chick', run by her feelings for Yusei, sat in the background more often than not and became the typical 'heroine with a crush on the hero'. She could have been way better. I blame the original writer leaving after the Dark Signer arc.

huh? 0.o it didn't seem like it to me, she did that because she wanted to understand all D Wheelers, not just Yusei, she wanted to understand everyone more, Crow, Jack, Sherry, Yusei, etc. it involving Yusei was just a plus, and its understandable she would want to get closer to Yusei after everything he did for her, much better developed than hinaturd. and she isn't all centered around Yusei either, if she was she would have stayed in Neo Domino City to be with Yusei instead of going abroad and becoming a doctor like she wanted and having that goodbye with Yusei. she isn't even comparable to hinaturd.

 

also she only had one duel in the tournament because she was covering for Crow in the first place and then those douches of Team Catastrophe used that hook monster to crash her and put her in a coma. after that Crow was well enough to take over for her. maybe she just didn't want to duel anymore in the tournament after that because of that whole fiasco.

 

VanitasDS76491, on 07 Mar 2017 - 6:22 PM, said:

Wonder what would happen if Alexis turned supreme queen along side jaden in season three or was possited by yubel instead of jesse.

probably the supreme king and queen would have been lovers long ago and Jaden and  Alexis would have hooked up at the end of season 3 instead of Alexis never confessing, and they would have bonded more and Alexis would have known why Jaden was avoiding them sooner and helped him through it.

Edited by ultranx, 08 March 2017 - 01:14 AM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

I've always shipped them, always wanted more to happen between them and yeah both were awesome characters. I used to love the flame wing man cards til 5D's came around. now I have shooting quasar dragon and other good synchros, the egyptian god cards, and exodia xD

 

 

you kidding? she did more than Alexis ever did, and she still had moments after the Earthbound arc, she became a

D wheeler and helped Yusei win against team unicorn(I  HATE TEAM UNICORN!!! GRR....their unicorn cards were so annoying to deal with in legacy of the duelist, finally resorted to slaughtering them with triple shooting quasar dragon combo), and then helped Crow win against sherry. I mean sure she didn't have as many moments after earthbound but she still was better than Alexis.

 

and no, Arc V doesn't make up for Alexis since its a completely different Alexis from an alternate dimension. I mean, I see where it kinda makes it up to Alexis fans since she's done alot more than the original Alexis, but still different characters.

Like I said, Aki was merely a stepping stone for Yusei to hog the limelight against a minor team in the preliminaries to the WRGP. Literally, her only purpose in that Duel was to get out Stardust Dragon for Yusei. Asuka never actually had anything like that done to her for Judai in GX. She was simply regulated more and more to the background.

On that note, this is why I loathe Yusei and see him as the worst Yu-Gi-Oh! protagonist so far (at least in regards to the anime) - yes, even more than Yuma of ZeXal - because he is the "Kira 'Jesus' Yamato" of Yu-Gi-Oh!. He literally never (completely) loses throughout the entire series (the only time he lost Duel-wise, against Kyosuke and Earthbound God - Ccapac Apu, he conveniently doesn't have his soul taken because his D-Wheel miraculously busts just in time to avoid Ccapac Apu's grasp), has far worse and/or situational draws than Yugi/Atem or Judai (Yuma would only start to match him late in ZeXal), and virtually everyone around him is made to conform to his ideals and beliefs as if he is can't be wrong ala Naruto. Even when ZONE warns Yusei of the destruction the future would bring because of the insane spamming of Synchro Summoning, in the simplest terms, Yusei essentially goes, "Nuh-uh! No it won't! Because I say it won't!", and that's all that's needed for ZONE to basically change his mind and go, "Okay, I'll believe you".

[Catra]

i gave up on gx halfway when jaden fought those god card rip offs and was so lost with 5D's new rules i lost complete interest.

[Yyubie]

Woooaww i always want to discuss about yu gi oh but nobody reply when i talk in the yu gi oh thread. The thing about yu gi oh romance is no pairing ever got cannon , its just being teased but it never happen , Yugi never got together with Anzu , Judai never got together with Asuka , Yusei never got together with Aki ... at the end each character always choose their own dream over their love one, or the MC is just to dumb and only thinking about card never realize the girl feelings.

 

But in this season arc-v everything is like combine or fuse together and old character came back , also the final villain name Zarc ... somehow i realize its really similar name with Zork the old god from season 1 that run rampage and destroying everything , i think Zarc is reincarnation of Zork and Yugi, Judai, Yusei gonna make a return ... i hope if it turns out this way they will end together with their heroine.

 

And in my opinion heroine in yu gi oh is far better hundred times than Hinata

[ultranx]

Like I said, Aki was merely a stepping stone for Yusei to hog the limelight against a minor team in the preliminaries to the WRGP. Literally, her only purpose in that Duel was to get out Stardust Dragon for Yusei. Asuka never actually had anything like that done to her for Judai in GX. She was simply regulated more and more to the background.

On that note, this is why I loathe Yusei and see him as the worst Yu-Gi-Oh! protagonist so far (at least in regards to the anime) - yes, even more than Yuma of ZeXal - because he is the "Kira 'Jesus' Yamato" of Yu-Gi-Oh!. He literally never (completely) loses throughout the entire series (the only time he lost Duel-wise, against Kyosuke and Earthbound God - Ccapac Apu, he conveniently doesn't have his soul taken because his D-Wheel miraculously busts just in time to avoid Ccapac Apu's grasp), has far worse and/or situational draws than Yugi/Atem or Judai (Yuma would only start to match him late in ZeXal), and virtually everyone around him is made to conform to his ideals and beliefs as if he is can't be wrong ala Naruto. Even when ZONE warns Yusei of the destruction the future would bring because of the insane spamming of Synchro Summoning, in the simplest terms, Yusei essentially goes, "Nuh-uh! No it won't! Because I say it won't!", and that's all that's needed for ZONE to basically change his mind and go, "Okay, I'll believe you".

I never felt that way about Yusei, and no, Yusei actually did change the future, the Fortune program he created after the Zone battle was something the bad future didn't have that keeps the Moment system stable unlike the bad future and prevents the Meklord Invasion, because Zone basically unintentionally warned everyone of exactly what happened and what mistakes were made and caused them  to do everything in their power to prevent it.  Now the Fortune program is linked to every Moment system on the planet, all thanks to Yusei.

 

and no, every single final draw of Yugi was a situational draw. Yusei was basically Yugi 2.0 and the show wasn't focused only on him unlike Yugi, Yugi had most of the fights to himself in Yu-gi-oh and dealt with most of the villains by himself, at least there were other dueling main characters in 5D's, in Yu-gi-oh only friend of Yugi that really ever dueled was Joey, and that was not often, everyone else only had one or 2 duels the entire series. heck Yusei even became the next King of Games after Yugi when he won the fortune cup. and he even teamed up with Yugi and Jaden in the Bonds Beyond Time movie. I actually liked him better than Yugi, don't get how you hate him so much, but okay.

 

and the reason Yusei hardly lost a duel is because of how good of a duelist he actually was and how powerful his deck was. don't believe me? I dare you to try using his deck or a deck like his in legacy of the duelist, he's pretty much op and pummels everyone, even Yugi and Atem/Yami. he was more strategic than Yugi, he always had multiple deck variations handy to switch out, he has so many different deck setups for every situation. I mean sure, Yugi technically had different decks but his deck was changed only once every 1 or 2 seasons, Yusei had multiple different deck setups always on hand to switch out, we didn't see what he was truly capable of til when he had the rematch with the earthbound and after that. You didn't honestly think he had cards like Road Warrior in  his original deck set up he was using did you? no, he switched for his stronger deck set up we had no clue about for the rematch. and if you look closely back in that one episode where his friends were saying he didn't have a deck and he said he did and pulled one off his belt, look closely, it isn't the only one on his belt, so yeah. xD

 

and synchro decks in general are OP, Yusei and Jack's different setups being alot of the Top tier ones, They had the most Op tuners and synchro set ups and the most OP traps and spells that suited their deck, for example reject reborn, which when you are direct attacked you can bring back from the graveyard 1 tuner and 1 synchro of your choice, I usually use it combined with call of the haunted, bam instant shooting quasar dragon on my next turn. or Scrap Iron Scarecrow, which is a permanent trap version of negate attack. and also, Yugi relied on Atem/Yami the whole time until the end, Yusei didn't, but he was all "believe in the heart of the cards" just like Yugi, he's literally Yugi 2.0.

 

still, 5D's is still way better than the naruto series.

Edited by ultranx, 08 March 2017 - 02:58 PM.

[Catra]

looking at images, yusei is pretty bland expression wise, at least jaden looked the most normal and had other expressions

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

I never felt that way about Yusei, and no, Yusei actually did change the future, the Fortune program he created after the Zone battle was something the bad future didn't have that keeps the Moment system stable unlike the bad future and prevents the Meklord Invasion, because Zone basically unintentionally warned everyone of exactly what happened and what mistakes were made and caused them  to do everything in their power to prevent it.  Now the Fortune program is linked to every Moment system on the planet, all thanks to Yusei.

 

and no, every single final draw of Yugi was a situational draw. Yusei was basically Yugi 2.0 and the show wasn't focused only on him unlike Yugi, Yugi had most of the fights to himself in Yu-gi-oh and dealt with most of the villains by himself, at least there were other dueling main characters in 5D's, in Yu-gi-oh only friend of Yugi that really ever dueled was Joey, and that was not often, everyone else only had one or 2 duels the entire series. heck Yusei even became the next King of Games after Yugi when he won the fortune cup. and he even teamed up with Yugi and Jaden in the Bonds Beyond Time movie. I actually liked him better than Yugi, don't get how you hate him so much, but okay.

 

and the reason Yusei hardly lost a duel is because of how good of a duelist he actually was and how powerful his deck was. don't believe me? I dare you to try using his deck or a deck like his in legacy of the duelist, he's pretty much op and pummels everyone, even Yugi and Atem/Yami. he was more strategic than Yugi, he always had multiple deck variations handy to switch out, he has so many different deck setups for every situation. I mean sure, Yugi technically had different decks but his deck was changed only once every 1 or 2 seasons, Yusei had multiple different deck setups always on hand to switch out, we didn't see what he was truly capable of til when he had the rematch with the earthbound and after that. You didn't honestly think he had cards like Road Warrior in  his original deck set up he was using did you? no, he switched for his stronger deck set up we had no clue about for the rematch. and if you look closely back in that one episode where his friends were saying he didn't have a deck and he said he did and pulled one off his belt, look closely, it isn't the only one on his belt, so yeah. xD

 

and synchro decks in general are OP, Yusei and Jack's different setups being alot of the Top tier ones, They had the most Op tuners and synchro set ups and the most OP traps and spells that suited their deck, for example reject reborn, which when you are direct attacked you can bring back from the graveyard 1 tuner and 1 synchro of your choice, I usually use it combined with call of the haunted, bam instant shooting quasar dragon on my next turn. or Scrap Iron Scarecrow, which is a permanent trap version of negate attack. and also, Yugi relied on Atem/Yami the whole time until the end, Yusei didn't, but he was all "believe in the heart of the cards" just like Yugi, he's literally Yugi 2.0.

 

still, 5D's is still way better than the naruto series.

I'm not saying Yugi/Atem and Judai didn't have an occasional situational pull, but Yusei's (and others in 5D's) pulls were WAY over the top situational, as in many of them literally had ZERO use outside of that ONE situation in that ONE Duel whereas a number of Yugi/Atem's and Judai's draws could have uses found in other Duels within the series. Sure we, the viewers, can make-up ways to make them work, but in regards to the Duels within the series, they just don't. Like, for example, one of the biggest examples for me, Stay Force...

Stay Force
Continuous Trap
You can pay 1000 LP, then target 1 face-up monster you control that would return itself from the field to the Extra Deck during the End Phase. Negate its effect(s) until the end of the next turn.

....Yusei literally has no use for this card outside of that one time he used it to keep Savior Star Dragon out against Team Ragnarok, literally turning the big ace card from the previous season into a glorified wall. He literally has no other monsters that Stay Force can work on and I highly doubt he predicted he would "need it", much less for that specific Duel against Team Ragnarok.

And no, the reason Yusei hardly loses is because he's purposely made to be so Gary Stu. Yugi/Atem and Judai at least lost a few times and it usually helped develop them as people and Duelists, and created situations where they actually questioned their beliefs for a short time, making them more relatable, but Yusei never has to do that because, as I said, everyone is constantly made to conform around him. I don't see how you or anyone could like him because of such status. Heck, just look at him vs. Team Unicorn again, specifically Jean. Throughout the whole Duel, Jean was adamant about sticking to the team strategy of milling out their opponent's Decks, and all he had to do at the end was simply end his turn and Yusei and Team 5D's would have lost and been knocked out of the preliminaries as Yusei had no cards left to draw. Then, because of one little Talk no Jutsu by Yusei, Jean suddenly just throws out the entire team strategy and opts to attack Yusei's monster with his weak monster, allowing Yusei to counter with Stronghold Guardian, which raised his monster's DEF by 1500, which was the exact amount of reflected battle damage needed for Jean to hit 0 and lose.

I get it, Yusei and co., as the main characters, couldn't be knocked out of the preliminaries because of the plot, but you cannot honestly tell me that entire thing was complete PIS just to allow Yusei to win so they wouldn't be knocked out.

This is just one, but it's probably the worst of them.

[ultranx]

I'm not saying Yugi/Atem and Judai didn't have an occasional situational pull, but Yusei's (and others in 5D's) pulls were WAY over the top situational, as in many of them literally had ZERO use outside of that ONE situation in that ONE Duel whereas a number of Yugi/Atem's and Judai's draws could have uses found in other Duels within the series. Sure we, the viewers, can make-up ways to make them work, but in regards to the Duels within the series, they just don't. Like, for example, one of the biggest examples for me, Stay Force...

Stay Force
Continuous Trap
You can pay 1000 LP, then target 1 face-up monster you control that would return itself from the field to the Extra Deck during the End Phase. Negate its effect(s) until the end of the next turn.

....Yusei literally has no use for this card outside of that one time he used it to keep Savior Star Dragon out against Team Ragnarok, literally turning the big ace card from the previous season into a glorified wall. He literally has no other monsters that Stay Force can work on and I highly doubt he predicted he would "need it", much less for that specific Duel against Team Ragnarok.

And no, the reason Yusei hardly loses is because he's purposely made to be so Gary Stu. Yugi/Atem and Judai at least lost a few times and it usually helped develop them as people and Duelists, and created situations where they actually questioned their beliefs for a short time, making them more relatable, but Yusei never has to do that because, as I said, everyone is constantly made to conform around him. I don't see how you or anyone could like him because of such status. Heck, just look at him vs. Team Unicorn again, specifically Jean. Throughout the whole Duel, Jean was adamant about sticking to the team strategy of milling out their opponent's Decks, and all he had to do at the end was simply end his turn and Yusei and Team 5D's would have lost and been knocked out of the preliminaries as Yusei had no cards left to draw. Then, because of one little Talk no Jutsu by Yusei, Jean suddenly just throws out the entire team strategy and opts to attack Yusei's monster with his weak monster, allowing Yusei to counter with Stronghold Guardian, which raised his monster's DEF by 1500, which was the exact amount of reflected battle damage needed for Jean to hit 0 and lose.

I get it, Yusei and co., as the main characters, couldn't be knocked out of the preliminaries because of the plot, but you cannot honestly tell me that entire thing was complete PIS just to allow Yusei to win so they wouldn't be knocked out.

This is just one, but it's probably the worst of them.

meh, agree to disagree then. we're going too off topic anyway,I did try to turn the topic back to naruto related...

[Catra]

speaking of yugioh, this whole "goku you're the villain!" (very elementary level dialogue btw) reminds me of yugi vs rafael although that was handled MUCH much better.

[VanitasDS76491]

speaking of yugioh, this whole "goku you're the villain!" (very elementary level dialogue btw) reminds me of yugi vs rafael although that was handled MUCH much better.

Well mainly Rafael forced yugi to use his seal card since yugi couldn't win without it. That's kind of why I liked season 4 of the original yugioh from what I saw of it.

[James S Cassidy]

Yet guys I know many hate Super but look at what its done for Pan people hated her in GT I mean I couldn't going anywhere without someone bashing her and now look people love her and want her to get better growth than she did in GT I mean lets face it GT sucked all it was was Goku Time.

 

GT Piccolo; Showed up to deal with Baby Gohan then left and boom that was it then he died at the end of the baby Saga he was wasted

 

Super Piccolo: Get better treatmant and did well in his battle with Frost and now we shall see what this new arc will do remember Piccolo is and always has been a thinker of the team which shall help them with who they will have to face.

 

Vegeta is growing better and better with each episode shgowing how far he has come from that killer and unlike Sasuke is not kittening forced making us think Sasuke is this poor sould who was lost.

 

I mean damn look at the Yamcha episode even he is getting lovce can we say the same for Kiba or Shino would they get a page in the manga, nope Kishi only cares for the Uchiha.

 

This is why I do like Super better than GT as it at least touches on the others hell Bulma in the Goku Black arc she was a key member after all and Mai look at what she did. my recomandation is that anyone who has doubts on super is to simple watch the reviews who do them I will agree there are bad moments, however there are far many more good moments I will agree on the power-up Trunks got made no sense and they should have touched on it more.

 

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And with what James said after Cell well as MasakoX said by then Toriyama very burnt out by then and just wanted the manga to end so he just made it more comady then dark like with Cell, but that is just me I will agree first two arc are very bad but we got some good from them if only little things.

This is all fine and dandy, but Dragonball is starting to suffer from what caused Naruto's downfall.....fanboys.

This is especially true lately when you have fights like "Goku vs Superman" or "Goku vs Saitama." The fanboys have been more or less ruining the series that I thought was good back in the day, but ever since "God mode" and so much other stuff...it's like "Goku can never lose EXCEPT to the people in his own show."

I mean, these are the kind of people who say that OP super heroes are boring because they don't power struggle, but when Goku gets all powerful somehow, suddenly it is okay to be OP. Another thing they say is a double standard of the show with Goku always struggling, but yet say Goku can beat anybody and has infinite power. You can't have it both ways.

With Superman and Saitama, these are different characters with different story types yet the fanboys can't seem to grasp this concept.

People forget that there is more to stories than just "Who is the most powerful?" or that there are more than jsut power struggles of who is the strongest and overcoming your opponent. Sometimes the struggle is with yourself and your own power. I don;t get why noone understand this concept as much anymore.

Either they are like Goku and always struggling in everything OR you are a boring character. If they don't power struggle, then they don't struggle at all. Or at least that is what they say.

To ask a simple question: When has Goku ever questioned his morality or ever met a villain in a grey area scale? What if Goku fought a villain who was technically right with what they are doing, How would Goku solve those problems?

Goku fanboys: "He would jsut power-up and blow the person away with Kamehameha wave."
Me: *sighs and pinches nose*

Edited by James S Cassidy, 09 March 2017 - 01:40 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

This is all fine and dandy, but Dragonball is starting to suffer from what caused Naruto's downfall.....fanboys.
This is especially true lately when you have fights like "Goku vs Superman" or "Goku vs Saitama." The fanboys have been more or less ruining the series that I thought was good back in the day, but ever since "God mode" and so much other stuff...it's like "Goku can never lose EXCEPT to the people in his own show."
I mean, this are the kind of people who say that OP super heroes are boring because they don't power struggle, but when Goku gets all powerful somehow, suddenly it is okay to be OP. Another thing they say is a double standard of the show with Goku always struggling, but yet say Goku can beat anybody and has infinite power. You can't have it both ways.
With Superman and Saitama, these are different characters with different story types yet the fanboys can't seem to grasp this concept.
People forget that there is more to stories than just "Who is the most powerful?" or that there are more than jsut power struggles of who is the strongest and overcoming your opponent. Sometimes the struggle is with yourself and your own power. I don;t get why noone understand this concept as much anymore.
Either they are like Goku and always struggling in everything OR you are a boring character. If they don't power struggle, then they don't struggle at all. Or at least that is what they say.

Fandoms ruin everything haven't people said alright. That's like zoro couldn't beat luffy or erza could beat acnologia. Story types aren't that hard to grasp like superman or saitama. Besides tfs is better than the actual db. I just like fights against two characters from different series for fun like the next death battle is venom vs bane. What I hate is that people don't accept it even after whiz and boomstick go into the reason why the winner won. But that makes me worry for when sakura, sasuke, hinata fight if Sakura wins, and Sasuke and Hinata lose, which I hope happens. Sasuke losing to hiei or riku.

[Catra]

this whole tournament over which universe is gonna end with either a punchline at the end ("nah i just said that so ya'll could fight at your maximum") or goku is up there with naruto as the biggest idiotic butthole. either way, im not invested. which is bad. ever since super started (the movies included) it reminds me of a mcdonalds happy meal :/ dbz really should have stayed done and over with because there really isn't anything exciting or new and there's plenty of anime that surpass it in terms of action but hey, merchandising i guess.

Edited by Catra, 09 March 2017 - 03:19 AM.

[ultranx]

Fandoms ruin everything haven't people said alright. That's like zoro couldn't beat luffy or erza could beat acnologia. Story types aren't that hard to grasp like superman or saitama. Besides tfs is better than the actual db. I just like fights against two characters from different series for fun like the next death battle is venom vs bane. What I hate is that people don't accept it even after whiz and boomstick go into the reason why the winner won. But that makes me worry for when sakura, sasuke, hinata fight if Sakura wins, and Sasuke and Hinata lose, which I hope happens. Sasuke losing to hiei or riku.

that's because they've been wrong on their calcs before. goku for example in both goku vs superman death battles was nerffed, still would have lost to superman I guess, unless the no limit to strength thing is fake too and his power is only linked to yellow sunlight, not sure, but yeah, and the whole god mode superman thing was fake, a user on comic vine posted all the comic panels debunking all those feats they used, so now people who know about it now consider death battle a joke and run by superman fanboys.

 

here's the post debunking superman 1 million if you're curious http://comicvine.gam...illion-1642666/

Edited by ultranx, 09 March 2017 - 04:24 AM.

[Yyubie]

I just finish watching code geass and its spin off (akito the exiled) and WOAW that is by far the best anime / manga i have ever watch in my life. 70% action , 25 romance , and 5% comedy , that is just perfect action drama with enough romance in it. I just can't help starve for more but it turn out 10 years old manga and season 3 about to come soon , i was so happy. The ending is good but still leave so many questions and kind of open ending, most people want Lelouch end up with C.C , but i for one want Lelouch to end with Kallen shes so cool, badass and strong willed girl really reminds me of Erza and Sakura (her hairstyle also resemble Sakura) (even though i know their chance is very low). Damn ... the excitement in my heart still not gone i hope season 3 will be 25 episode good story , most fans call it cash grab ... but i don't think so. Real cash grab is Naruto for sure. It's like used to eating instant noodle everyday at home and suddenly eating food at 4-5 stars restaurant ... the different is real.