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[TouKen4Life3g]

Agreed. Really this is all happening for drama sake at this point. I am going to be glad when it is over.

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BTW, the only scene that really puts Sasuke in good light is the bench scene, but we all know that was really Naruto, not Sasuke.  I know Naruto was only a kid, but it kind of screwed him a little to do that. So Sakura was somewhat stuck on that bench scene idea for a while I guess, but I still wonder why it has never come into question yet....

strike that, is it ever going to come back up at all?

Judging by the work, it's possible. Maybe other series I would be like "Um, fat chance?" but Kishi is all about full circle and going back to what reflects this.

[only Naruto]

Well 675 is when SS officially became dead since now both parties have no romantic interest in each other.

 

AS for when my guess is sometime during or after LOI. We know that she was still in love with him during 453

http://www.mangapand...hapter-453.html

 

And according to Naruto and Sai her attempt at murdering Sasuke was because she loves him and doesn't want him to sink any lower.

 

Kakashi said that it seems Sakura's feelings for Sasuke have changed since chapter 4, he didn't really specify when exactly her feelings started to slip but last time he saw them together was during the LOI arc so it was likely around that time.

 

Chapter 540 and Filler talk

Judging from what Sakura said during 469, Sasuke joining Akatsuki was the deal breaker and naturally the murder attempts made it worse. I personally think during 540 she wasn't referring to Sasuke, given the context of MP's translation "If its somebody you love they must be a good person" she naturally thinks of Sasuke as a counter-example, additionally even though its filler during episode 306 (which was around the same time as 540 in the anime) She referred to Sasuke as someone "she used to love". I Know its filler but Kishi must have told Peirrot something for them to make a ballsy move like that during the great depression days of NS (where there was nothing from 469 to 631). On top of that it if it wasn't Naruto she was probably referring than it seems far more appropriate to give the "there's someone else response" during 631 when someone is introducing you to his dead dad as his "sort of" girlfriend/lover/fiancee/whatever rather than to random love letter guy. Actualy it also shows how much Sakura matured in contrast to when she first met Lee.

 

So in conclusion it is my opinion that him joining Akatsuki broke her heart yet again and seemed to be a deal breaker and the multiple murder attempts sure don't help either. imo the whole point of 469/470 as Sai pointed out is that Sakura acknowledged that Naruto is better for her than Sasuke and tried to dump those feelings she had for him which she wasn't able to do (hence Naruto saying she was lying to herself) she wanted to forget about Sasuke but couldn't....well not until after what happened. IMO it was sometime during or after LOI where she fell out of love with him. 

well pepsi this is the first time i see you doing  Analysis  .and  you are really good .keep it like this 

[only Naruto]

Okay, Pepsi. Let me explain myself in detail why Sakura moving on before 540 makes no sense IMO. Prepare yourself for incoming LAP.

 

I do agree with you on the LOI. Sakura was trying to let go of her feelings for Sasuke, maybe even convinced herself she was over him, but obviously Sai's speech, Sakura's confession, Naruto's instincts, and Sakura's own behavior later all heavily indicate she wasn't. The whole arc definitely did affect her perception of Sasuke and her feelings for him, making her see him more negatively than she ever did before.

 

Sakura moving on from Sasuke was gradual process, starting from the very moment he left. There was never a specific moment. Sakura's feelings become much more Team 7-based and then the Kage Summit Arc was the arc that made the veil of "loyal, caring comrade Sasuke-kun" slowly get pulled out of her eyes, damaging her romantic feelings for him further because her love was already starting to lessen. And then we have Sakura allowing Sasuke to die to protect Naruto. Sure, it was extremely painful for her, but she was still willing to do it for Naruto's safety. That loses further credibility to her still being deeply in love with him.

 

However, you might be over-simplifying this. Remember, this is the Narutoverse. Sakura still possibly holding on to romantic feelings for Sasuke on some level even after murder attempts is really not that hard to believe. They're damaged by the murder attempts, to the point whatever she feels for Sasuke on romance level is getting closer and closer to disappearing true, but that doesn't mean she still doesn't have them.

 

Sakura didn't just get over Sasuke in a day. Exactly right. It wouldn't make sense to be like a switch, but it doesn't make any sense for Sakura to just get over Sasuke a few weeks after either. Sakura was so attached to her image of Sasuke. Only recently did she see how much she changed. She can't just wake up even after the Summit Arc and say "Nope, don't love Sasuke anymore". It's illogical, but Naruto has unrealistic focus on bonds of anyway so what do you expect? If Sakura didn't at least think she still loves Sasuke, then 540 wouldn't have happened and 676/678 would not be set up the way it was. Kakashi's speech in 675 was from his perspective. That's how he sees Sakura's feelings, but Sakura has not ever indicated she's aware of it. In fact, she's indicated the opposite. We go back to 540 & 676 again.

 

To explain this ... Let's say you're a little girl who had a favorite mirror. You loved that mirror so much as kid and took care of it, loving how it looks and how it made you feel. Then you lose that mirror. You're upset and became desperate to find it so you keep searching for it. Through the years that mirror, still missing wherever it is, is slowly getting small cracks in it the longer it's gone as you get older and start caring more about less superficial things. But you still remember how that mirror made you feel, nostalgia, all it's memories so you cling to it.

 

Eventually, you find that mirror again. You see small cracks in it but ignore it and take it back. But then, you accidentally drop that mirror and the glass suddenly starts shattering in heavy bits, but there's still some glass left. You're upset, but you tell yourself it's still just as pretty and useful as you remember it so ignore that little voice and bring it home anyway. 

 

When you go home, you notice more it's not not making you feel the same and eventually, after more pieces of glass fall from the mirror, you stop telling yourself it's still perfect; it's broken and useless. You're sad because it's something you cared about so much and lS your childhood so you can't entirely accept it, but a part of you realizes you need to outgrow it. And finally, just as the last few pieces start to fall out of the mirror, you don't care as much as you thought you would. You realize that you've spend all this time looking for that mirror, but in truth you no longer needed it and that it's time to let go of your past shallowness. Then you take the broken mirror and throw it in the trash, turning your attention to more mature things.

 

This is Sakura with her love for Sasuke throughout the series. She's the little girl and Sasuke is that mirror. The Kage Summit Arc didn't make her move on from Sasuke, It only gave her a powerful wake-up call. It's all childhood hopes and nostalgia. It's a very powerful emotion that is easy to cling to, even when by now you've outgrown it. Sakura doesn't love Sasuke that way anymore, but childhood nostalgia still blinds her.

 

Sakura hasn't thrown out that "mirror" yet. She's going through desperation of losing it (PoaL, Early Part 2), getting small cracks in that mirror without acknowledging it (Sai Arc, Kakuzu Arc, Pain Arc), heavy shattering of that mirror but still telling yourself it's still okay (Early Summit Arc), and then sad acknowledgment it's not the same and part of you wants to forget it but another part of you still can't accept it (Late Kage Summit Arc, War Arc). She's in that phase. Sakura's faces at Sasuke's behavior (540, 635, 676, 678) ooze resigned but painful disappointment, something she shouldn't feel if she thought she didn't love him. The part of Sakura making peace and realizing she doesn't love Sasuke is coming up soon with the recent chapters, but saying she already has is wishful thinking IMO. We need consistent proof. A resolution like that should on-panel and not forced like the confession.

 

I would love to believe Sakura knows she doesn't love Sasuke, but logically I just don't. It doesn't really matter to me whether Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke, unconsciously moved on, or just moved on consciously. As a Sakura fan I would prefer the last one, but as a NS fan it doesn't matter. Whatever she has for Naruto is still much stronger than what she feels for Sasuke so I'm not going to be sensitive or picky even if she does love both of them romantically and 675 is just misinterpreted. I'd be okay with either of the three options for most part but if I don't see it, I don't see it.

 

I apologize for this embarrassingly long LAP and my lame mirror metaphor, but ... as long as it got my point across.

this is a masterpiece ..and i do agree with pepsi he might be right .and i agree with u too .but ill go with you in this. cause it more save to  think like that .again this was 

Edited by only Naruto, 08 July 2014 - 11:01 AM.

[FireFox]

Agreed. Really this is all happening for drama sake at this point. I am going to be glad when it is over.

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BTW, the only scene that really puts Sasuke in good light is the bench scene, but we all know that was really Naruto, not Sasuke.  I know Naruto was only a kid, but it kind of screwed him a little to do that. So Sakura was somewhat stuck on that bench scene idea for a while I guess, but I still wonder why it has never come into question yet....

strike that, is it ever going to come back up at all?

I've been on this opinion for a very long time and I do believe that the bench scene would be brought on I just can't see that not being cleared up with Sakura not knowing that it was Naruto disguise as Sasuke who complimented her forehead and was about to stole a kiss . I think its simple why the bench scene hasn't come into question yet . You see if it was then the romance subplot would have been over as it will show why she loved him in the first place the reason for it would be based on a lie , since we never got that the reason for it Kishi never explained it and I think its done on purpose if it was shown that her love is bc of what Naruto did and gain that false image of Sasuke then its Game Over NS Game Set & Match .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 08 July 2014 - 11:14 AM.

[only Naruto]

Does sakura love naruto too? It can only answer when naruto confess to sakura.
And I think naruto confession will happen in the next arc.
Before or after the fight

 i think sakura will do the first move ..but that doesnt mean its the confession .she might shows him or hint it to him that now she really has feeling for him . and then naruto do his move ..

[only Naruto]

I very much disagree with the notion that 676/678 was her being disappointed bc she still has or think she has romantic feelings for him why does it have to be connected to romance when it was all about T7 & Teamwork this has been the deal since 675 ? Not everything with Sakura is about romance she feels that way bc of T7 , I for one believe that she was disappointed bc Sasuke is not with them as Team Member he doesn't care and Sasuke blowing her self esteem is just that she's very sensitive when it comes to her wanting to be useful  again nothing to do with romance you can connect it of course as it confirms that Sasuke thinks very little of her and doesn't give a kitten about her has no feelings for her , his influence on her does her harm and that they have no dynamic it sucks . Either way to claim it as a fact that she felt that way bc she still has romantic feelings for him is just wrong imo . Also her recent behavior around him doesn't scream that she still have romantic feelings for him .

 

Another thing is the underlined how is this any good for NS ? Are you really OK with her still having feelings for the both of them ? How is even if her feelings for Sasuke matured by 675 any good for NS ? If that was the case then this completely destroys NS  bc by that Kakashi would be saying that she loves him even more now which doesn't even make any sense with all we have seen/got from the manga and it certainly doesn't make what she has for Naruto any more stronger . I know you say this as hypothetical but still I can't see this as any good for NS even after all of that has happened after the LOI till now her love is somehow stronger for Sasuke then I seriously wouldn't want NS to happen .   

 

And since when did we start taking 675 as maybe its misinterpretation (speaking in general in here) I thought this was a done deal which even our translators confirmed it especially @megi and @ramen who's native language is Japanese plus the other two translators we have  @咲耶姫 & @六道仙人 who are also very good at translating . The context was clear so why is this constant need in here to continue with this I really don't get it .    

 i think  that .we know it because kakashi told us . but sakura still didnt  realize it  yet .or even to show us that she did .

[TouKen4Life3g]

So I may bring it up once more:

Do you think Sakura knows she's moved on or hasn't realized yet?

[only Naruto]

Agreed. Really this is all happening for drama sake at this point. I am going to be glad when it is over.

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BTW, the only scene that really puts Sasuke in good light is the bench scene, but we all know that was really Naruto, not Sasuke.  I know Naruto was only a kid, but it kind of screwed him a little to do that. So Sakura was somewhat stuck on that bench scene idea for a while I guess, but I still wonder why it has never come into question yet....

strike that, is it ever going to come back up at all?

agree . .i also wonder is kishi going to bring back?i think he will but its not going to be the main thing .it will be one of the things that make sakura see that sasuke would never do that and how much naruto liked her since the start

[only Naruto]

I've been on this opinion for a very long time and I do believe that the bench scene would be brought on I just can't see that not being cleared up with Sakura not knowing that it was Naruto disguise as Sasuke who complimented her forehead and was about to stole a kiss . I think its simple why the bench scene hasn't come into question yet . You see if it was then the romance subplot would have been over as it will show why she loved him in the first place the reason for it would be based on a lie , since we never got that the reason for it Kishi never explained it and I think its done on purpose if it was shown that her love is bc of what Naruto did and gain that false image of Sasuke then its Game Over NS Game Set & Match .

this .agree.   finished the likes .

[only Naruto]

So I may bring it up once more:

Do you think Sakura knows she's moved on or hasn't realized yet?

  i feel until 680 she didnt.but after that i feel that sakura changed. so now in these last 2 chapters .i feel she realized it .but we still have to see her say it or think it.

Edited by only Naruto, 08 July 2014 - 11:22 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

  i feel until 680 she didnt.but after that i feel that sakura changed. so now in these last 2 chapters .i feel she realized it .but we still have to see her say it or think it.

I guess it does call for monologue segment, much like how we finally got confirmation that Sakura was wrong about Naruto during Chuunin Exam. So now, what's the fina verdict?

[Chatte]

Okay, Pepsi. Let me explain myself in detail why Sakura moving on before 540 makes no sense IMO. Prepare yourself for incoming LAP.

 

I do agree with you on the LOI. Sakura was trying to let go of her feelings for Sasuke, maybe even convinced herself she was over him, but obviously Sai's speech, Sakura's confession, Naruto's instincts, and Sakura's own behavior later all heavily indicate she wasn't. The whole arc definitely did affect her perception of Sasuke and her feelings for him, making her see him more negatively than she ever did before.

 

Sakura moving on from Sasuke was gradual process, starting from the very moment he left. There was never a specific moment. Sakura's feelings become much more Team 7-based and then the Kage Summit Arc was the arc that made the veil of "loyal, caring comrade Sasuke-kun" slowly get pulled out of her eyes, damaging her romantic feelings for him further because her love was already starting to lessen. And then we have Sakura allowing Sasuke to die to protect Naruto. Sure, it was extremely painful for her, but she was still willing to do it for Naruto's safety. That loses further credibility to her still being deeply in love with him.

 

However, you might be over-simplifying this. Remember, this is the Narutoverse. Sakura still possibly holding on to romantic feelings for Sasuke on some level even after murder attempts is really not that hard to believe. They're damaged by the murder attempts, to the point whatever she feels for Sasuke on romance level is getting closer and closer to disappearing true, but that doesn't mean she still doesn't have them.

 

Sakura didn't just get over Sasuke in a day. Exactly right. It wouldn't make sense to be like a switch, but it doesn't make any sense for Sakura to just get over Sasuke a few weeks after either. Sakura was so attached to her image of Sasuke. Only recently did she see how much she changed. She can't just wake up even after the Summit Arc and say "Nope, don't love Sasuke anymore". It's illogical, but Naruto has unrealistic focus on bonds of anyway so what do you expect? If Sakura didn't at least think she still loves Sasuke, then 540 wouldn't have happened and 676/678 would not be set up the way it was. Kakashi's speech in 675 was from his perspective. That's how he sees Sakura's feelings, but Sakura has not ever indicated she's aware of it. In fact, she's indicated the opposite. We go back to 540 & 676 again.

 

To explain this ... Let's say you're a little girl who had a favorite mirror. You loved that mirror so much as kid and took care of it, loving how it looks and how it made you feel. Then you lose that mirror. You're upset and became desperate to find it so you keep searching for it. Through the years that mirror, still missing wherever it is, is slowly getting small cracks in it the longer it's gone as you get older and start caring more about less superficial things. But you still remember how that mirror made you feel, nostalgia, all it's memories so you cling to it.

 

Eventually, you find that mirror again. You see small cracks in it but ignore it and take it back. But then, you accidentally drop that mirror and the glass suddenly starts shattering in heavy bits, but there's still some glass left. You're upset, but you tell yourself it's still just as pretty and useful as you remember it so ignore that little voice and bring it home anyway. 

 

When you go home, you notice more it's not not making you feel the same and eventually, after more pieces of glass fall from the mirror, you stop telling yourself it's still perfect; it's broken and useless. You're sad because it's something you cared about so much and lS your childhood so you can't entirely accept it, but a part of you realizes you need to outgrow it. And finally, just as the last few pieces start to fall out of the mirror, you don't care as much as you thought you would. You realize that you've spend all this time looking for that mirror, but in truth you no longer needed it and that it's time to let go of your past shallowness. Then you take the broken mirror and throw it in the trash, turning your attention to more mature things.

 

This is Sakura with her love for Sasuke throughout the series. She's the little girl and Sasuke is that mirror. The Kage Summit Arc didn't make her move on from Sasuke, It only gave her a powerful wake-up call. It's all childhood hopes and nostalgia. It's a very powerful emotion that is easy to cling to, even when by now you've outgrown it. Sakura doesn't love Sasuke that way anymore, but childhood nostalgia still blinds her.

 

Sakura hasn't thrown out that "mirror" yet. She's going through desperation of losing it (PoaL, Early Part 2), getting small cracks in that mirror without acknowledging it (Sai Arc, Kakuzu Arc, Pain Arc), heavy shattering of that mirror but still telling yourself it's still okay (Early Summit Arc), and then sad acknowledgment it's not the same and part of you wants to forget it but another part of you still can't accept it (Late Kage Summit Arc, War Arc). She's in that phase. Sakura's faces at Sasuke's behavior (540, 635, 676, 678) ooze resigned but painful disappointment, something she shouldn't feel if she thought she didn't love him. The part of Sakura making peace and realizing she doesn't love Sasuke is coming up soon with the recent chapters, but saying she already has is wishful thinking IMO. We need consistent proof. A resolution like that should on-panel and not forced like the confession.

 

I would love to believe Sakura knows she doesn't love Sasuke, but logically I just don't. It doesn't really matter to me whether Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke, unconsciously moved on, or just moved on consciously. As a Sakura fan I would prefer the last one, but as a NS fan it doesn't matter. Whatever she has for Naruto is still much stronger than what she feels for Sasuke so I'm not going to be sensitive or picky even if she does love both of them romantically and 675 is just misinterpreted. I'd be okay with either of the three options for most part but if I don't see it, I don't see it.

 

I apologize for this embarrassingly long LAP and my lame mirror metaphor, but ... as long as it got my point across.

You just worded perfectly what Kishimoto said in his interview: She says she loves Sasuke, but Naruto is close. As in, she still clings to that "mirror", she still thinks she loves Sasuke which is exactly what Kishi is saying - she says she loves Sasuke - but what her behavior tells us, in reality is that she has fallen for Naruto, exactly once again, as Kishi says - Naruto is close -, as in, really, deep down, she loves Naruto, but she doesn't realize it because she still thinks/says she loves Sasuke .

[FireFox]

 i think  that .we know it because kakashi told us . but sakura still didnt  realize it  yet .or even to show us that she did .

But you see for all we know she might have realized it I mean just look at her behavior around him since 675 it doesn't scream love or shows that she still thinks that she likes him like that for all we know 540/635 was it her realizing it  its not out of the realm and its not like it wouldn't make any sense all we need is Sakura pointing this out  . Some of you in here think that she feeling disappointed is bc she still thinks she has feelings for him  when the deal since 675 is T7 and Teamwork and she wanting to be useful which we know how much important is this to her and this has nothing to do with romance . Not everything with Sakura is about romance .

 

And yes Kakashi told us but there are still people doubting this and I don't know why when its pretty much clear I really hate to think that SS has the power to get to some of the people in here when they make no sense whatsoever .

 

this .agree.   finished the likes .

Again    You're killing me in here   

[only Naruto]

I guess it does call for monologue segment, much like how we finally got confirmation that Sakura was wrong about Naruto during Chuunin Exam. So now, what's the fina verdict?

i think in the next 2-3 chapters we will see a big hnt from sakura that she didnt know sasuke  and she was wrong about him too which leads that she has moved on.

[only Naruto]

But you see for all we know she might have realized it I mean just look at her behavior around him since 675 it doesn't scream love or shows that she still thinks that she likes him like that for all we know 540/635 was it her realizing it  its not out of the realm and its not like it wouldn't make any sense all we need is Sakura pointing this out  . Some of you in here think that she feeling disappointed is bc she still thinks she has feelings for him  when the deal since 675 is T7 and Teamwork and she wanting to be useful which we know how much important is this to her and this has nothing to do with romance . Not everything with Sakura is about romance .

 

And yes Kakashi told us but there are still people doubting this and I don't know why when its pretty much clear I really hate to think that SS has the power to get to some of the people in here when they make no sense whatsoever .

 

Again    You're killing me in here   

hahaha  . i agree with romance girl .that she until 680 still hoping for the mirror to be as she wanted . but after 680  i feel.its different .i think sakura realized that she is over him and we will see  this from her in the next few chapters . which means i agree with u too.

[FireFox]

So I may bring it up once more:

Do you think Sakura knows she's moved on or hasn't realized yet?

I think she knows and all we need is her stating that for me her being sad bc of Sasuke is about T7 & Teamwork .not she still thinks she loves him I think we are already done with this either way is complicated 

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think she knows and all we need is her stating that for me her being sad bc of Sasuke is about T7 & Teamwork .not she still thinks she loves him I think we are already done with this either way is complicated 

Well, we have been building up since 540 and it hasn't gotten better at all. Now, this could be a great time to give us the verdict. To me, this is truly the closest we would get for Sakura to teamwork with the original Team 7. Things have truly changed, so now, she got what she wanted. Was it worth it?

[Illnevergiveup3]

I want to know how Sakura-Chan fell in love with Sasuke ... When did it happen ? Too me she never loved him and just because she professed it doesn't mean that she loved him . Her actions spoke differently to me all the time .

[narusaku256]

So I may bring it up once more:

Do you think Sakura knows she's moved on or hasn't realized yet?

Hasn't realized yet

[only Naruto]

I want to know how Sakura-Chan fell in love with Sasuke ... When did it happen ? Too me she never loved him and just because she professed it doesn't mean that she loved him . Her actions spoke differently to me all the time .

well .she think she is ( not anymore for me ). but we all know she isnt .

Edited by only Naruto, 08 July 2014 - 12:09 PM.