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[Syn11]

 

Which is then?

 

Was Kishi being intentionally vague in 675 with Sakura's feelings?

 

From all that I gather it does seem that Kakashi says that Sakura's feelings have stopped being romantic, but the way Kishi writes it is very indirect so as consequence it can be reasonably interpreted differently.

 

Kishi's being way to subtle for my tastes.

 

He does that intentionally from what I've read in the interview sent to me just today by 咲耶姫 . Kishimoto admits that he likes to confuse his readers. He's a meanie!

[Gravenimage]

The way I see it Sakura no longer loves Sasuke romantically, its more in the friendship basis. She wants to save him even when he tried to kill her she's just like Naruto who wants their friend back in team 7. That's why she's a kind girl.

[Gojira]

The way I see it Sakura no longer loves Sasuke romantically, its more in the friendship basis. She wants to save him even when he tried to kill her she's just like Naruto who wants their friend back in team 7. That's why she's a kind girl.

I think Kakashi pretty much summed this up. Even if he didn't it's pretty much hinted at throughout Part 2. Where naruto usually thinks about Sasuke and Sasuke alone, Sakura thinks about Sasuke but in relation to the rest of Team 7 rarely does she just think about Sasuke. its been more about saving her friend then anything else, the only real question is when did this love become platonic. The Manga shows that it was sometime before 635, the anime tells us it was some time during the LOI arc.

 

At any rate this sort of reminds me of what happened in 666 Satan

It's an old series but whatever

Mei was a Jio fangirl and was annoyed by Ball, then later during her fight with her brother who was being manipulated and after he was defeated by an enraged Ball (because he is also an older brother and was enraged at the stuff he says) Mei starts falling in love with Ball and she and Jio rarely had any verbal interaction after that if at all.

Edited by Pepsi, 07 July 2014 - 11:59 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think Kakashi pretty much summed this up. Even if he didn't it's pretty much hinted at throughout Part 2. Where naruto usually thinks about Sasuke and Sasuke alone, Sakura thinks about Sasuke but in relation to the rest of Team 7 rarely does she just think about Sasuke. its been more about saving her friend then anything else, the only real question is when did this love become platonic. The Manga shows that it was sometime before 635, the anime tells us it was some time during the LOI arc.
 
At any rate this sort of reminds me of what happened in 666 Satan

It's an old series but whatever

Mei was a Jio fangirl and was annoyed by Ball, then later during her fight with her brother who was being manipulated and after he was defeated by an enraged Ball (because he is also an older brother and was enraged at the stuff he says) Mei starts falling in love with Ball and she and Jio rarely had any verbal interaction after that if at all.

Where you get that assumptions of when her love changed?

[Gojira]

Where you get that assumptions of when her love changed?

Well she did have two children with him at the end. And afterwards whenever Jio and Mei were in the same scene together afterwards she didn't seem interested in him anymore, hell they barely even talked to each other and whenever the subject of love was on her mind after the invasion on Stea it was directed towards Ball not Jio like it was before.

Edited by Pepsi, 08 July 2014 - 12:52 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well she did have two children with him at the end. And afterwards whenever Jio and Mei were in the same scene together afterwards she didn't seem interested in him anymore, hell they barely even talked to each other and whenever the subject of love was on her mind after the invasion on Stea it was directed towards Ball not Jio like it was before.

I meant Sakura.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 08 July 2014 - 01:00 AM.

[Gojira]

I meant Sakura.

Are you asking me when I personally think she lost her feelings or are you asking me at what point did i get the impression that she moved on?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Are you asking me when I personally think she lost her feelings or are you asking me at what point did i get the impression that she moved on?

I guess both, if you don't mind.

[Gojira]

I guess both, if you don't mind.

Well 675 is when SS officially became dead since now both parties have no romantic interest in each other.

 

AS for when my guess is sometime during or after LOI. We know that she was still in love with him during 453

http://www.mangapand...hapter-453.html

 

And according to Naruto and Sai her attempt at murdering Sasuke was because she loves him and doesn't want him to sink any lower.

 

Kakashi said that it seems Sakura's feelings for Sasuke have changed since chapter 4, he didn't really specify when exactly her feelings started to slip but last time he saw them together was during the LOI arc so it was likely around that time.

 

Chapter 540 and Filler talk

Judging from what Sakura said during 469, Sasuke joining Akatsuki was the deal breaker and naturally the murder attempts made it worse. I personally think during 540 she wasn't referring to Sasuke, given the context of MP's translation "If its somebody you love they must be a good person" she naturally thinks of Sasuke as a counter-example, additionally even though its filler during episode 306 (which was around the same time as 540 in the anime) She referred to Sasuke as someone "she used to love". I Know its filler but Kishi must have told Peirrot something for them to make a ballsy move like that during the great depression days of NS (where there was nothing from 469 to 631). On top of that it if it wasn't Naruto she was probably referring than it seems far more appropriate to give the "there's someone else response" during 631 when someone is introducing you to his dead dad as his "sort of" girlfriend/lover/fiancee/whatever rather than to random love letter guy. Actualy it also shows how much Sakura matured in contrast to when she first met Lee.

 

So in conclusion it is my opinion that him joining Akatsuki broke her heart yet again and seemed to be a deal breaker and the multiple murder attempts sure don't help either. imo the whole point of 469/470 as Sai pointed out is that Sakura acknowledged that Naruto is better for her than Sasuke and tried to dump those feelings she had for him which she wasn't able to do (hence Naruto saying she was lying to herself) she wanted to forget about Sasuke but couldn't....well not until after what happened. IMO it was sometime during or after LOI where she fell out of love with him. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

That's a pretty good analysis.

Well, it is clear that when Kishi started this arc, he set up that dilemma for a reason to get a development and for this case, this may be the last one from Sakura to Sasuke. Kishi somewhat hinted in the interview about Naruto is close yet she seems to love Sasuke or something like that. It's like his way of saying, "The answer is drawing near. I will make it clear in the next arc." And here we are. As I said before, this is the closest we will ever get for Team 7 reunion. Since Sasuke hasn't revealed his agenda, this means this development for all can be a sad but true be told one. You see, if Sasuke did reveal it before fighting Kaguya, you could argue this battle will change his mind and become a face completely. But he hasn't, so this could mean a bad realization.

There will a conclusion to this whole situation by the end of arc, but don't know if this arc per say will contain Sasuke's situation as well. If the Sasuke's aspect is saved for later as in next arc, then the conclusion you seek is on the way. Otherwise, you may have to wait a little longer. Still, all are accumulating and it's only matter of time of what is the conclusion since 540.

[Shashank95]

I'm just gonna leave this here     

[Gojira]

I'm just gonna leave this here     

 

 

I still think its kind of funny how NH fans argue that Minato only met Naruto for a few minutes therefore his opinion is invalid and that Kiba's opinion matters more....Even though he himself hasn't really spent that much time with Naruto either and isn't even confirmed to give a kitten about NH aside from teasing Hinata and at one point Naruto.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

@Pepsi:

 

After seeing breaking down and crying over who Sasuke had become and then Karin connecting to her pain, how is it that you can believe Sakura let go of her feelings so easily?  Those were very emotional, intense moments that wouldn't have occurred if she didn't still have feelings for Sasuke. And yet when 540 happens, it's automatically acceptable she knows she's moved on? I don't understand that. IMO, things like that can't just happen after such a strong scene, even with murder attempts (if we go by Narutoverse logic, not real logic).

 

I feel like we're rushing Sakura's realization. Of course she's not in love with Sasuke anymore, but that doesn't mean she's aware of it. She looked too shameful in 540 and she looked too upset when she thought Sasuke didn't care in 676 and then again when Sasuke put her down as being useless. It just wouldn't make sense to me for Sakura to just let Sasuke go so easily after the murder attempts when in Narutoverse, you can't do things like that so simply.

 

I dunno. It's possible I'm wrong, but still ... Kishimoto has done a really sh*tty job with the love triangle subplot.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 08 July 2014 - 04:25 AM.

[咲耶姫]

@Pepsi:

 

After seeing breaking down and crying over who Sasuke had become and then Karin connecting to her pain, how is it that you can believe Sakura let go of her feelings so easily?  Those were very emotional, intense moments that wouldn't have occurred if she didn't still have feelings for Sasuke. And yet when 540 happens, it's automatically acceptable she knows she's moved on? I don't understand that. IMO, things like that can't just happen after such a strong scene, even with murder attempts (if we go by Narutoverse logic, not real logic).

 

I feel like we're rushing Sakura's realization. Of course she's not in love with Sasuke anymore, but that doesn't mean she's aware of it. She looked too shameful in 540 and she looked too upset when she thought Sasuke didn't care in 676 and then again when Sasuke put her down as being useless. It just wouldn't make sense to me for Sakura just let Sasuke go so easily after the murder attempts when in Narutoverse, you can't do things like that so simply.

 

I dunno. It's possible I'm wrong, but still ... Kishimoto has done a really sh*tty job with the love triangle subplot.

This, so much this! That's what I'm trying to express since weeks now. You perfectly expressed my opinion. 

Edited by 咲耶姫, 08 July 2014 - 04:40 AM.

[narusaku256]

Spoiler

When youre doing the dialogues, what are the points to which you pay any particular attention?
MK: I always try to distort it. Once I found a good phrase, I do my best to make it more hermetic, thank to this distortion work.
 
And what is this distortion work?
 
MK: First, in the nemu, I do a sketch that I then properly do. I modify some dialogues. At first, I write them in a simple way, its after that that everything is played. I try to transmit my originality, but its not easy.
 
What kind of modifications?
 
MK: I rewrite the dialogues to make them look more formal, maybe even weirder. But I usually go too far, and my assistants complain about not understanding what Im writing. In this case, I retake the original phrase.
 
So you want the reader to be confused?
 
MK: Yes, I want to write outstanding dialogues, even if its not pleasant to read at first. Naruto is a ninja, but his outfit for example has nothing to do with the traditional ninjas.

 
This, so much this! That's what I'm trying to express since weeks now. You perfectly expressed my opinion. 

Well, that's Kishimoto for us

[Gojira]

@Pepsi:

 

After seeing breaking down and crying over who Sasuke had become and then Karin connecting to her pain, how is it that you can believe Sakura let go of her feelings so easily?  Those were very emotional, intense moments that wouldn't have occurred if she didn't still have feelings for Sasuke. And yet when 540 happens, it's automatically acceptable she knows she's moved on? I don't understand that. IMO, things like that can't just happen after such a strong scene, even with murder attempts (if we go by Narutoverse logic, not real logic).

 

I feel like we're rushing Sakura's realization. Of course she's not in love with Sasuke anymore, but that doesn't mean she's aware of it. She looked too shameful in 540 and she looked too upset when she thought Sasuke didn't care in 676 and then again when Sasuke put her down as being useless. It just wouldn't make sense to me for Sakura just let Sasuke go so easily after the murder attempts when in Narutoverse, you can't do things like that so simply.

 

I dunno. It's possible I'm wrong, but still ... Kishimoto has done a really sh*tty job with the love triangle subplot.

Easily? I think you need to reread my post. There was nothing easy about it in fact, the whole point of what I was saying is that she was trying to let go of her feelings for Sasuke during LOI but wasn't able to because its not like just flipping off a switch. Its been a few weeks time in between LOI and 540. And It seems much more likely to me that she moved on in that amount of time rather than refer to him as the someone else and then move on from him in the very next day after remembering that he isn't a good guy. It wouldn't make sense for her to not be over him after a few murder attempts and a few weeks to think it over and yet still being in love with him and then getting over him the very next day when she's reminded that he's not such a great guy after all. That makes much less sense if you ask me.

Edited by Pepsi, 08 July 2014 - 04:28 AM.

[narusaku256]

@Pepsi:
 
After seeing breaking down and crying over who Sasuke had become and then Karin connecting to her pain, how is it that you can believe Sakura let go of her feelings so easily?  Those were very emotional, intense moments that wouldn't have occurred if she didn't still have feelings for Sasuke. And yet when 540 happens, it's automatically acceptable she knows she's moved on? I don't understand that. IMO, things like that can't just happen after such a strong scene, even with murder attempts (if we go by Narutoverse logic, not real logic).
 
I feel like we're rushing Sakura's realization. Of course she's not in love with Sasuke anymore, but that doesn't mean she's aware of it. She looked too shameful in 540 and she looked too upset when she thought Sasuke didn't care in 676 and then again when Sasuke put her down as being useless. It just wouldn't make sense to me for Sakura just let Sasuke go so easily after the murder attempts when in Narutoverse, you can't do things like that so simply.
 
I dunno. It's possible I'm wrong, but still ... Kishimoto has done a really sh*tty job with the love triangle subplot.

Now, I am gonna start worshipping you *looks at this post with gleaming eyes*. But, one more thing I'd like to say. Though Sakura's previous behaviour is understood, the latest episodes wherein Sasuke put down Sakura, her behaviour seems odd or rather does not fit into her character and her getting over with Sasuke has been dragged on for too long.

[James S Cassidy]

@Pepsi:

 

After seeing breaking down and crying over who Sasuke had become and then Karin connecting to her pain, how is it that you can believe Sakura let go of her feelings so easily?  Those were very emotional, intense moments that wouldn't have occurred if she didn't still have feelings for Sasuke. And yet when 540 happens, it's automatically acceptable she knows she's moved on? I don't understand that. IMO, things like that can't just happen after such a strong scene, even with murder attempts (if we go by Narutoverse logic, not real logic).

 

I feel like we're rushing Sakura's realization. Of course she's not in love with Sasuke anymore, but that doesn't mean she's aware of it. She looked too shameful in 540 and she looked too upset when she thought Sasuke didn't care in 676 and then again when Sasuke put her down as being useless. It just wouldn't make sense to me for Sakura to just let Sasuke go so easily after the murder attempts when in Narutoverse, you can't do things like that so simply.

 

I dunno. It's possible I'm wrong, but still ... Kishimoto has done a really sh*tty job with the love triangle subplot.

Of course there really is no reason why Sakura should be in love with Sasuke in the first place. I have been asking myself this for a while now, but why did Sakura fall in love with Sasuke anyway? How did it turn into love? He never really did anything for her, there is no connection between them, and it all seems rather forced to me. I get it, he had the appearence of the cool guy, but really there is no reason why the crush ever developed into love in the first place. How could it?

Kind of funny how she can easily and quickly "fall in love" with Sasuke apparently without any real strong connection, but easily falling out of love is hard to believe.

At this point I am not even sure if it is poorly written or I am basing my views on the fact that I hate this sort of "development." Maybe I am looking at this the wrong way, but I just don't see how and where Sakura's "crush" for Sasuke turned into "love." I have seen relationships of all kinds in manga, but this one....It makes me appreciate Tohru and Kyo a little bit more. At least Kyo has some redeeming qualities and wasn't always a jerk and he generally cared for Tohru even if his bashness and anger got the better of him.

Even then, Kyo's anger was not because he hated her or thought little of her like Sasuke does to Sakura, but he was just horrible as socializing and got angry when it got too hard. With Sasuke there really is nothing redeemable about him. I can't think of anything good to say about Sasuke as a person and whatever "good" he did do it was either by accident or he had no choice and did it anyway. At least, not when it comes to Sakura.

lol It truly is funny. People are trying to figure out when Sakura is going to fall out of love with Sasuke, meanwhile I am trying to figure out when she actually fell in.



 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 08 July 2014 - 05:22 AM.