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Posted 07 July 2014 - 11:39 AM

I think they're probably referring to TakL who translated it differently. But both Ramen and  咲耶姫 personally sent me messages and translation examples a while back discrediting this. 

 

 

 
 

Yes but so is TakL, hence the conflict of opinion.

 

 
 

According to 咲耶 Kishi went out of his way to correct some other critic or something like that.

Well I think she explained to you that this is not the case .

 

Don't worry my friend, once I will have send you Kishimoto's interview, you will understand why he's always so confusing, when I read it, I laugh so hard about that part. 

And once again, thank you for being almost the only one reacting to my very long post. At least I know I didn't do it for nothing.

 

I think the critic's descriptions are right, it's not just some fan's opinion. He did some deep analysis about the manga, he's a professional, he knows what he's saying. And to me the fact that Kishimoto allowed the KB's release proves that he agree with what is said in it. Otherwise,he wouldn't have allowed it or he would have explain the meaning of the scene the critic didn't understand to him, because now, people would believe a false thing, the book isn't supposed to give you a random guy's opinion, but it's supposed to tell you the meaning of the scenes. Why would one scene of the KB be misinterpreted while all the others would be correct?

 

That's so sad, I guess Takl want to say what SS fans want to hear, so it doesn't create a big boom on NF. 

 

I know what you mean, it's like sometimes in the past, I happened to wonder why there was so many NH/SS fans while NS was supposed to happen. I had my doubts about the end pairing because of the amount of fans.

 

I don't think I have said that. Maybe you misunderstood something? Or maybe I'm the one not understanding what you mean here? (sorry english is not my first language)

 

Sasuke is the opposition of Naruto in the manga. The feeling they feel for each other is altering between rejection and closeness. Ever since Naruto is pursuing Sasuke, he became a hero, but Sasuke is still considered as a “star”. It says that even if it is a male character he’s treated as a heroine lol, (I don’t get it neither) Anyway, let’s continue the lovey dovey NaruSasu. The intense affection Naruto feels for Sasuke is between friendship and fraternal love. It says that it’s a deep tenderness, but it also says it’s not a romantic feeling (lol it’s so ambiguous that you have to precise it) that is connect to any kind of deep emotion. The rest of the paragraph is talking about Sasuke’s denial of his feelings of friendship toward Naruto. 

 

Also, about 675, I would say, if you're really biased and want to interpret this scene in your favor, it is possible, since Kakashi dooesn't say "You don't love him anymore! You're feelings have so changed that you now doesn't feel anything romantic anymore for him!" But he doesn't say neither "You love him so much now, back then it was justa crush, but now it's pure love!" But one thing is sure, it's that one of these 2 super exaggerated parodies is more accurate to the real one. Guess which one? But seriously, it's not even a matter of words, it's the way he's saying it, the context and the way he ends up his speech that tells me we are becoming closer to SS death (it is not already lol).

Kishi approves a lot of things that doesn't mean that he's agreeing with them  The Naruto Games for example but I see what you mean .

 

Also the confession can be deemed "false" bc that was not her original intent but Naruto's safety that doesn't mean that when she said to Naruto that she loves him was false again just look at her facial expression when she hugs him and is about to say "Naruto from the bottom of my heart I......." so many miss this and Like you once said "Sakura was being honest by saying she loves Naruto but no conscious of being honest"  the fact that it was interrupted when she was about to say it is Kishimoto telling you that this was not the right time and this is gonna be brought back latter .

 

Btw that NaruSasu thing totally made me  :sick: .

 

As for 675 its pretty much clear what Kakashi was saying  :

 

First you are not labeled as a "kind girl"  and that its you "duty" to save the person you love  if you love him then you do it because of that not because you are "kind" and its your "duty" this is what destroys SS completely and their ridiculous interpretation.

 

Second Kakashi speaks about the change of her feelings of love  they were romantic then now its different its nakama / comrade / friendship love   there is no crush love this is ridiculous only in SS twisted minds this can exist and not to mention how they are contradicting themselves .  

 

Third Kakashi says "even if he's an enemy who tried to kill you , you still have feelings for him " which means bc of that she shouldn't have them let alone still "love" him but bc of that she's a "kind girl" Kakashi in here is not prizing her for still loving him romantically again this is ridiculous and it makes no sense whatsoever  he's prizing her for being compassionate after all of that  this is the context the change of her feelings and her compassion after all that has happened  but leave it to SS to twist everything like always  :facepalm: .  

 

I almost forgot but i would like the Interview as well pretty please  :lol: .


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Posted 07 July 2014 - 11:57 AM

Well I think she explained to you that this is not the case .

 

Kishi approves a lot of things that doesn't mean that he's agreeing with them  The Naruto Games for example but I see what you mean .

 

Also the confession can be deemed "false" bc that was not her original intent but Naruto's safety that doesn't mean that when she said to Naruto that she loves him was false again just look at her facial expression when she hugs him and is about to say "Naruto from the bottom of my heart I......." so many miss this and Like you once said "Sakura was being honest by saying she loves Naruto but no conscious of being honest"  the fact that it was interrupted when she was about to say it is Kishimoto telling you that this was not the right time and this is gonna be brought back latter .

 

Btw that NaruSasu thing totally made me  :sick: .

 

As for 675 its pretty much clear what Kakashi was saying  :

 

First you are not labeled as a "kind girl"  and that its you "duty" to save the person you love  if you love him then you do it because of that not because you are "kind" and its your "duty" this is what destroys SS completely and their ridiculous interpretation.

 

Second Kakashi speaks about the change of her feelings of love  they were romantic then now its different its nakama / comrade / friendship love   there is no crush love this is ridiculous only in SS twisted minds this can exist and not to mention how they are contradicting themselves .  

 

Third Kakashi says "even if he's an enemy who tried to kill you , you still have feelings for him " which means bc of that she shouldn't have them let alone still "love" him but bc of that she's a "kind girl" Kakashi in here is not prizing her for still loving him romantically again this is ridiculous and it makes no sense whatsoever  he's prizing her for being compassionate after all of that  this is the context the change of her feelings and her compassion after all that has happened  but leave it to SS to twist everything like always  :facepalm: .  

 

I almost forgot but i would like the Interview as well pretty please  :lol: .

 I still think that way. I didn't say in any of my posts, that I had changed my mind. I only said that I'm open at every possibilities. But anyway, to me she wasn't telling the truth, since to me, she's unconsciously in love with Naruto, I think she doesn't know it at the time she made the confession. That's what I'm always saying when it comes to the confession. And it hasn't changed. 

 

Agree with everything you said on 675, I had said the exact same thing when the chapter came out back then.

 

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 12:07 PM

 I still think that way. I didn't say in any of my posts, that I had changed my mind. I only said that I'm open at every possibilities. But anyway, to me she wasn't telling the truth, since to me, she's unconsciously in love with Naruto, I think she doesn't know it at the time she made the confession. That's what I'm always saying when it comes to the confession. And it hasn't changed. 

 

Agree with everything you said on 675, I had said the exact same thing when the chapter came out back then.

 

It's done. I sent it to you.

Yes I understand what you were saying as for me that is unconsciously telling the truth so I label it as truth imo.

 

Don't get me started on 675 I have said and repeated this so many times back then bc some people were freaking out when the context was clear and it didn't help that SS were trying to alter the dialog but thank god we have you guys in here XD.

 

Yeah I got it thanks again XD


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Posted 07 July 2014 - 12:55 PM

I give up. We won't agree. It's not a POV, it's an objective description of the different events. Why would only this passage be a false interpretation of the critic? If that's the case then when he says about NaruSasu's fight at the LOI that Naruto reads in Sasuke's heart and that Naruto sees it's not with a speech he's gonna "heal" Sasuke from madness , that they will both die if they fight and that he's anticipating calmly his destiny while he's answering to Sasuke who asked why he's doing that for him, that it's because he's his friend. Then all that is also billsh*t Kishimoto doesn't care about?

No, I'm sorry, but I prefer to not close my mind to any possibility. I'm not worry or frustrated if Sakura did lie at that time. 

Or another question, why do you (not only you pepsi) insist on the fact this particular scene would be a wrong interpretation of the manga by the critic? just because it confuses a lot of fans, he's not a fan, he's used to manga. But that's not my question, no, my question is why this scene would be misinterpreted by the critic and not the one in which he says Sakura was willing to give up on the chuunin exam because Naruto's dream happen to become her own one? Because the confession goes against what you think while the chuunin exam one fits in your way of thinking?

 

I hope I wasn't too harsh in my way of talking, I'm always afraid of expressing my opinion because of that. Sorry. 

 

No one is worry about NS.  Can't we have a different opinion about something, an opinion that may not be good at first sight for NS without implying NS is dead or making people worry about its chance of happening?

 

It's done. Hope you'll enjoy it. ^_^

this :thumb:  . i agree with all of your posts in the last 2 pages. . and i finished my likes 


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Posted 07 July 2014 - 12:56 PM

Well I think she explained to you that this is not the case .

 

Kishi approves a lot of things that doesn't mean that he's agreeing with them  The Naruto Games for example but I see what you mean .

 

Also the confession can be deemed "false" bc that was not her original intent but Naruto's safety that doesn't mean that when she said to Naruto that she loves him was false again just look at her facial expression when she hugs him and is about to say "Naruto from the bottom of my heart I......." so many miss this and Like you once said "Sakura was being honest by saying she loves Naruto but no conscious of being honest"  the fact that it was interrupted when she was about to say it is Kishimoto telling you that this was not the right time and this is gonna be brought back latter .

 

Btw that NaruSasu thing totally made me  :sick: .

 

As for 675 its pretty much clear what Kakashi was saying  :

 

First you are not labeled as a "kind girl"  and that its you "duty" to save the person you love  if you love him then you do it because of that not because you are "kind" and its your "duty" this is what destroys SS completely and their ridiculous interpretation.

 

Second Kakashi speaks about the change of her feelings of love  they were romantic then now its different its nakama / comrade / friendship love   there is no crush love this is ridiculous only in SS twisted minds this can exist and not to mention how they are contradicting themselves .  

 

Third Kakashi says "even if he's an enemy who tried to kill you , you still have feelings for him " which means bc of that she shouldn't have them let alone still "love" him but bc of that she's a "kind girl" Kakashi in here is not prizing her for still loving him romantically again this is ridiculous and it makes no sense whatsoever  he's prizing her for being compassionate after all of that  this is the context the change of her feelings and her compassion after all that has happened  but leave it to SS to twist everything like always  :facepalm: .  

 

I almost forgot but i would like the Interview as well pretty please  :lol: .

 and also .this  :thumb:  i finished my likes .. 



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 01:38 PM

 and also .this  :thumb:  i finished my likes .. 

LOL its OK  next time maybe or take away a like from someone and give it to me LOL (Jk)


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Posted 07 July 2014 - 02:19 PM

 I still think that way. I didn't say in any of my posts, that I had changed my mind. I only said that I'm open at every possibilities. But anyway, to me she wasn't telling the truth, since to me, she's unconsciously in love with Naruto, I think she doesn't know it at the time she made the confession. That's what I'm always saying when it comes to the confession. And it hasn't changed. 

 

Agree with everything you said on 675, I had said the exact same thing when the chapter came out back then.

 

It's done. I sent it to you.

I would like the interview as well. Could you send it, If possible....


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Posted 07 July 2014 - 03:13 PM

I found something that may be interesting:

 

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Sakura's dressed as Orihime from the Orihime/Hikoboshi legend. They were lovers who could only see each other once a year. Naruto's also dressed as Hikoboshi. But I don't know what it says. Can someone translate?

 

 



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 03:19 PM

I found something that may be interesting:

 

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Sakura's dressed as Orihime from the Orihime/Hikoboshi legend. They were lovers who could only see each other once a year. Naruto's also dressed as Hikoboshi. But I don't know what it says. Can someone translate?

 

 

LOL You shouldn't have post it, now everyone will flame up on this. 

Sakura is saying "Sasuke-kun, I want to deliver these feelings!"

And "Complete heal of the HP of all your allies that are hurt, thanks to the feelings of a young maiden."

While Naruto is only saying "Write on this card "I will become Hokage"!"


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Posted 07 July 2014 - 03:26 PM

LOL You shouldn't have post it, now everyone will flame up on this. 

Sakura is saying "Sasuke-kun, I want to deliver these feelings!"

While Naruto is only saying "Write on this card "I will become Hokage"!"

 

Really? =/    damn, I definitely thought this would be NaruSaku from their get ups.



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 03:29 PM

 

Really? =/    damn, I definitely thought this would be NaruSaku from their get ups.

That's one of the things that is annoying me in NaruSaku, whatever the ending is, Sakura will always be represented in other medias as the number one Sasuke fangirl, as the little girl crazy in love with Sasuke she was at the age of 12, even if she happen to end up with Naruto. 


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Posted 07 July 2014 - 03:49 PM

ah, those stupid cards game...


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Posted 07 July 2014 - 04:06 PM

LOL You shouldn't have post it, now everyone will flame up on this. 
Sakura is saying "Sasuke-kun, I want to deliver these feelings!"
And "Complete heal of the HP of all your allies that are hurt, thanks to the feelings of a young maiden."
While Naruto is only saying "Write on this card "I will become Hokage"!"

That's a big slap in the face.

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 04:17 PM

present tense? LOL

This is what he said

"Un unh, like i said its either in the present perfect or the past progressive.

if 'the man who tried to kill sakura', it can be put as 'Sasuke who sakura was loving'.
if 'the man who has tried to kill sakura', it has to be 'Sasuke who sakura has loved/been fond of'."


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Posted 07 July 2014 - 07:24 PM

@AHK - We just signed Josh Mcroberts. He was pretty good against us in the 1st round last season. You like the addition?


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Posted 07 July 2014 - 07:48 PM

@AHK - We just signed Josh Mcroberts. He was pretty good against us in the 1st round last season. You like the addition?


It's not a bad move for Miami, effectively what it does is, to me, publicly announces that Miami isn't interested in keeping Chris Bosh, since McRoberts is a cheaper version of Bosh. With Bosh out of the equation, it signifies that Miami might be looking to pursue Anthony, since they would have the space if they didn't sign Bosh. Doesn't really solve then rebounding problem though.

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 07:53 PM

It's not a bad move for Miami, effectively what it does is, to me, publicly announces that Miami isn't interested in keeping Chris Bosh, since McRoberts is a cheaper version of Bosh. With Bosh out of the equation, it signifies that Miami might be looking to pursue Anthony, since they would have the space if they didn't sign Bosh. Doesn't really solve then rebounding problem though.

Bosh might be better, but I think Mcroberts is tougher. He did have the balls to elbow lebron and that takes serious guts lol. You're right, it doesn't solve our rebounding. But if we land Melo it adds a lot of offensive power. 

 

Edit: I think we just signed Danny Granger.


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Posted 07 July 2014 - 07:59 PM

Bosh might be better, but I think Mcroberts is tougher. He did have the balls to elbow lebron and that takes serious guts lol. You're right, it doesn't solve our rebounding. But if we land Melo it adds a lot of offensive power. 
 
Edit: I think we just signed Danny Granger.


By cheaper I just meant money, I wasn't including skills in that.

Did they really? That's an interesting move.

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 08:01 PM

This is what he said

"Un unh, like i said its either in the present perfect or the past progressive.

if 'the man who tried to kill sakura', it can be put as 'Sasuke who sakura was loving'.
if 'the man who has tried to kill sakura', it has to be 'Sasuke who sakura has loved/been fond of'."

 

Which is then? :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:

 

Was Kishi being intentionally vague in 675 with Sakura's feelings?

 

From all that I gather it does seem that Kakashi says that Sakura's feelings have stopped being romantic, but the way Kishi writes it is very indirect so as consequence it can be reasonably interpreted differently.

 

Kishi's being way to subtle for my tastes. :msmack:



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 08:04 PM

 
Which is then? :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:
 
Was Kishi being intentionally vague in 675 with Sakura's feelings?
 
From all that I gather it does seem that Kakashi says that Sakura's feelings have stopped being romantic, but the way Kishi writes it is very indirect so as consequence it can be reasonably interpreted differently.
 
Kishi's being way to subtle for my tastes. :msmack:

He does that everytime! He never says things straight forward. He keeps ambiguity for the heck of it and to tease the shippers. It gets really annoying sometimes!

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