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[Illnevergiveup3]

yup .

[Illnevergiveup3]

yup .

[Gravenimage]

No double posting please edit.

[Gojira]

At what part is it confuse you?

Apparently Kishi gave the book his blessing despite the fact that the man who was writing it was talking about how Sakura's confession was false and Naruto turned her down because she doesn't (or atleast thinks she doesn't) feel that way about him.

Edited by Pepsi, 07 July 2014 - 12:04 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Apparently Kishi gave the book his blessing despite the fact that the man who was writing it was talking about how Sakura's confession was false and Naruto turned her down because she doesn't (or atleast thinks she doesn't) feel that way about him.

The Kizuna book? It was a critic book, not Kishi.

[sushi.]

No double posting please edit.

stop trying to be police, the guy will fix his mistake once he notices it.

Edited by sushi., 07 July 2014 - 12:15 AM.

[Gojira]

The Kizuna book? It was a critic book, not Kishi.

Yes, but apparently he approved it and didn't correct him on the context of it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yes, but apparently he approved it and didn't correct him on the context of it.

Well, Naruto is the one to change that. Since when what he's doing is "good". Anyway, I'll save this until the whole fight ends. Clearly from 675, things won't go well once Sasuke is done with all other distractions.

[FireFox]

Yes, but apparently he approved it and didn't correct him on the context of it.

Well its a critic book him approving it doesn't mean that he agrees with everything in it and he certainly's not gonna bother with responding to it and reveal everyone of his attention or leak any information if anything I say its good because he can get an information on where did he go wrong on how did people take some scenes and better himself in the future.

 

Either way I think you are putting to much weight on this .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 07 July 2014 - 01:32 AM.

[Shashank95]

Found this on Facebook. Looks pretty neat.

[redragon88]

It's seems that at the NF debate thread there's an attempt at discrediting the translation ramenanmitsu did of chapter 675 (the one that says Sakura's feelings have changed).

 

You know what's funny, it seems the reason they're trying to discredit him is because some "neutral fans" that apparently "know japanese" disagreed with his translation.

 

It's sad when even native japanese are called into question. It's like someone telling me I don't know how to speak english.

[Luna]

It's seems that at the NF debate thread there's an attempt at discrediting the translation ramenanmitsu did of chapter 675 (the one that says Sakura's feelings have changed).
 
You know what's funny, it seems the reason they're trying to discredit him is because some "neutral fans" that apparently "know japanese" disagreed with his translation.
 
It's sad when even native japanese are called into question. It's like someone telling me I don't know how to speak english.

But isn't he Japanese?

[Iwantbuns]

Found this on Facebook. Looks pretty neat.

 

I love this~

[redragon88]

But isn't he Japanese?

 

Yeah, but that's the point. They don't care since it's inconvenient for them.

[Iwantbuns]

It's seems that at the NF debate thread there's an attempt at discrediting the translation ramenanmitsu did of chapter 675 (the one that says Sakura's feelings have changed).

 

You know what's funny, it seems the reason they're trying to discredit him is because some "neutral fans" that apparently "know japanese" disagreed with his translation.

 

It's sad when even native japanese are called into question. It's like someone telling me I don't know how to speak english.

 

Wow that's really messed up. It's really hard to explain things to NH/SS fans. They just have to find some way to twist it... I know this firsthand o.o

[TouKen4Life3g]

In short, they want to hear what they want to hear.

[redragon88]

In short, they want to hear what they want to hear.

 

They're so insistent about it that I sometimes wonder if it could be true. But I suppose it's one of those things that when someone tells you a ridiculous fact enough time that you start to wonder if it might be true no matter how stupid it could be.

 

I do hear that takl (a translator in NF) said that it could go either way in 675, platonic or romantic. So I wonder if there's any truth to that.

[Gojira]

 

Yeah, but that's the point. They don't care since it's inconvenient for them.

I think they're probably referring to TakL who translated it differently. But both Ramen and  咲耶姫 personally sent me messages and translation examples a while back discrediting this. 

 

 

 

But isn't he Japanese?

 

Yes but so is TakL, hence the conflict of opinion.

 

 

Well its a critic book him approving it doesn't mean that he agrees with everything in it and he certainly's not gonna bother with responding to it and reveal everyone of his attention or leak any information if anything I say its good because he can get an information on where did he go wrong on how did people take some scenes and better himself in the future.

 

Either way I think you are putting to much weight on this .

 

According to 咲耶 Kishi went out of his way to correct some other critic or something like that.

Edited by Pepsi, 07 July 2014 - 03:13 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
They're so insistent about it that I sometimes wonder if it could be true. But I suppose it's one of those things that when someone tells you a ridiculous fact enough time that you start to wonder if it might be true no matter how stupid it could be.
 
I do hear that takl (a translator in NF) said that it could go either way in 675, platonic or romantic. So I wonder if there's any truth to that.

Time like this makes me wish parallel confirmation. Not another one, Luffy, just a confirmation. Seriously, these guys are turning me heel.

"I didn't turn back on you. You turn back on me."

[咲耶姫]

Well I finished Book 3

 

anyway my point is that its impossible to tell what Kishi's actually trying to portray here because of 1 simple problem:

 

No transition

 

The manga shows us one thing he tells us differently then we have KB that contradict that and outdated databooks that say otherwise.....I get not trying to make the end result obvious but making it confusing and a mystery at the same time until the very last chapter is just retarded. 

Don't worry my friend, once I will have send you Kishimoto's interview, you will understand why he's always so confusing, when I read it, I laugh so hard about that part. 

And once again, thank you for being almost the only one reacting to my very long post. At least I know I didn't do it for nothing.

 

Well its a critic book him approving it doesn't mean that he agrees with everything in it and he certainly's not gonna bother with responding to it and reveal everyone of his attention or leak any information if anything I say its good because he can get an information on where did he go wrong on how did people take some scenes and better himself in the future.

 

Either way I think you are putting to much weight on this .

I think the critic's descriptions are right, it's not just some fan's opinion. He did some deep analysis about the manga, he's a professional, he knows what he's saying. And to me the fact that Kishimoto allowed the KB's release proves that he agree with what is said in it. Otherwise,he wouldn't have allowed it or he would have explain the meaning of the scene the critic didn't understand to him, because now, people would believe a false thing, the book isn't supposed to give you a random guy's opinion, but it's supposed to tell you the meaning of the scenes. Why would one scene of the KB be misinterpreted while all the others would be correct?

 

It's seems that at the NF debate thread there's an attempt at discrediting the translation ramenanmitsu did of chapter 675 (the one that says Sakura's feelings have changed).

 

You know what's funny, it seems the reason they're trying to discredit him is because some "neutral fans" that apparently "know japanese" disagreed with his translation.

 

It's sad when even native japanese are called into question. It's like someone telling me I don't know how to speak english.

That's so sad, I guess Takl want to say what SS fans want to hear, so it doesn't create a big boom on NF. 

 

 

They're so insistent about it that I sometimes wonder if it could be true. But I suppose it's one of those things that when someone tells you a ridiculous fact enough time that you start to wonder if it might be true no matter how stupid it could be.

 

I do hear that takl (a translator in NF) said that it could go either way in 675, platonic or romantic. So I wonder if there's any truth to that.

I know what you mean, it's like sometimes in the past, I happened to wonder why there was so many NH/SS fans while NS was supposed to happen. I had my doubts about the end pairing because of the amount of fans.

 

According to 咲耶 Kishi went out of his way to correct some other critic or something like that.

I don't think I have said that. Maybe you misunderstood something? Or maybe I'm the one not understanding what you mean here? (sorry english is not my first language)

 

Can you explain about the part about sasuke as a heroine lol

Sasuke is the opposition of Naruto in the manga. The feeling they feel for each other is altering between rejection and closeness. Ever since Naruto is pursuing Sasuke, he became a hero, but Sasuke is still considered as a “star”. It says that even if it is a male character he’s treated as a heroine lol, (I don’t get it neither) Anyway, let’s continue the lovey dovey NaruSasu. The intense affection Naruto feels for Sasuke is between friendship and fraternal love. It says that it’s a deep tenderness, but it also says it’s not a romantic feeling (lol it’s so ambiguous that you have to precise it) that is connect to any kind of deep emotion. The rest of the paragraph is talking about Sasuke’s denial of his feelings of friendship toward Naruto. 

 

Also, about 675, I would say, if you're really biased and want to interpret this scene in your favor, it is possible, since Kakashi dooesn't say "You don't love him anymore! You're feelings have so changed that you now doesn't feel anything romantic anymore for him!" But he doesn't say neither "You love him so much now, back then it was justa crush, but now it's pure love!" But one thing is sure, it's that one of these 2 super exaggerated parodies is more accurate to the real one. Guess which one? But seriously, it's not even a matter of words, it's the way he's saying it, the context and the way he ends up his speech that tells me we are becoming closer to SS death (it is not already lol).

Edited by 咲耶姫, 07 July 2014 - 04:17 AM.