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[Strangelove]

 

I agree. I find Sasuke to be a really bland character when he's not a total psychopath. Like... where's the appeal? 

 

To be fair to Sasuke...he was pushed towards the edge in that little psychotic episode back then. The fact is, he might be pushed towards the edge yet again. With a possible Obito reformed, a Jubi defeated, Madara may need another puppet in his grand scheme, and who better than Sasuke. He might be dead, but his hate will live on in the last member of his clan.

[Shadow1275]

 

To be fair to Sasuke...he was pushed towards the edge in that little psychotic episode back then. The fact is, he might be pushed towards the edge yet again. With a possible Obito reformed, a Jubi defeated, Madara may need another puppet in his grand scheme, and who better than Sasuke. He might be dead, but his hate will live on in the last member of his clan.

Personally I thought his character was much better as a villain, at least he made sense when he was on a murderous rampage.

 

That being said, I think he's going to do one more 180 towards villain. Sasuke's character path seems to parallel Madara's

 

Madara started out friendly with a dark streak, then turned evil, then turned good and made peace with the senju, but turned evil again when he was denied the popular vote for the hokage spot.

 

Sasuke started out good but with a dark streak [wanting to kill his brother], then turned evil to kill his brother and later "purify" his clan by killing those responsible[A.K.A.] Danzo, and has turned "good" again but he also wants to be hokage. We already know that Naruto wants to be hokage, no one wants Sasuke as Hokage, and that even Itachi said that Hokages are acknowledged before they become hokage, not after.

 

The main point is that Sasuke's path is too similar to Madara's, I think he's headed for another fall.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Personally I thought his character was much better as a villain, at least he made sense when he was on a murderous rampage.

 

That being said, I think he's going to do one more 180 towards villain. Sasuke's character path seems to parallel Madara's

 

Madara started out friendly with a dark streak, then turned evil, then turned good and made peace with the senju, but turned evil again when he was denied the popular vote for the hokage spot.

 

Sasuke started out good but with a dark streak [wanting to kill his brother], then turned evil to kill his brother and later "purify" his clan by killing those responsible[A.K.A.] Danzo, and has turned "good" again but he also wants to be hokage. We already know that Naruto wants to be hokage, no one wants Sasuke as Hokage, and that even Itachi said that Hokages are acknowledged before they become hokage, not after.

 

The main point is that Sasuke's path is too similar to Madara's, I think he's headed for another fall.

Hm, that's possible. Time will tell on how Kishi will handle this.

[Canadian_DJ]

I personally am happy at the direction sasuke has come! 

[HauntedCake]

One thing that has bugged me is this, everytime there is something good or some kind of advancement for NS or even notion of it, the majority of fans react by just plastering all Hinata or SS as much as they can, its insane, just because a lot of people love a character does not change the importance of their role, I mean remember Toph from Avatar? She was insanely popular yet she got a limited role compared to the others. Why this plastering? Its like censorship and even then when people try to just put on some artwork about NS, they make fun or just try to degrade it.

 

Sakura=Kushina is a reality no matter how some people want to treat it. Its a foreshadowing element, it will come up again. Either Sakura=Kushina just pushes NS forward now or the parallel dies with it.

Bolded: how will a it die?? parallel's are there for a reason

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Is there a reason why Naruto and Sakura are the ones who never killed anyone on the series despite being ninjas?

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 June 2013 - 11:41 AM.

[Chatte]

Is there a reason why Naruto and Sakura are the ones who never killed anyone on the series despite being ninjas?

Yup. It's actually connected deep down within the plot of ninjas being emotionless tools.

I am actually preparing a post about that.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yup. It's actually connected deep down within the plot of ninjas being emotionless tools.

I am actually preparing a post about that.

The first hokage failed on the moment he killed his first person Madara.
Obito when he went on a rampage.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 June 2013 - 12:17 PM.

[Dkey]

The first hokage failed on the moment he killed his first person Madara.
Obito when he went on a rampage.

 

I'm concerned more into Naruto. Thou he may not come to kill anyone ( Sasuke would be the only one who he somewhat threatened) he kinda has a death wish.

Similar to the both you talked about.

So it kinda ties with Hashirama sacrificieng Madara for peace, Obito falling but also Minato sacrificing himself and Kushina so he can protect the village.

Oddly enough both Sasuke and Naruto are in the wrong.

Thou concerning Naruto he did give way so that Ninjas stop thinking of themselves as tools but comrades.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

I'm concerned more into Naruto. Thou he may not come to kill anyone ( Sasuke would be the only one who he somewhat threatened) he kinda has a death wish.

Similar to the both you talked about.

So it kinda ties with Hashirama sacrificieng Madara for peace, Obito falling but also Minato sacrificing himself and Kushina so he can protect the village.

Oddly enough both Sasuke and Naruto are in the wrong.

Thou concerning Naruto he did give way so that Ninjas stop thinking of themselves as tools but comrades.

I dont think that way, i feel that he had a death wish before he met with Itachi, before he was basically saying, if i cant save a friend i cant become hokage and thus i prefer to die, now Itachi opened his eyes and said even if you cant save your friend, you must be acknowledged, it's the ones who get acknowledged that becomes hokage not because you want.

Naruto got what Itachi meant and this is the reason why he wants to be hokage and why even despite Neji dying he still wants to be one, because Neji acknowledged Naruto and all his friends acknowledged him plus the fact he returned that acknowledging everyone.

I feel that Sasuke could die or not but he will acknowledge Naruto.

 

The one who has big chances of dying is Sasuke since one of the reasons that kept him alive was Naruto with his motto "if i cant save i friend i dont deserve to be hokage".

But i dont think he will die, kishi made the team taka for a reason, to be his new family/team, like Kakashi pointed out.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 June 2013 - 02:36 PM.

[Dkey]

I dont think that way, i feel that he had a death wish before he met with Itachi, before he was basically saying, if i cant save a friend i cant become hokage and thus i prefer to die, now Itachi opened his eyes and said even if you cant save your friend, you must be acknowledged, it's the ones who get acknowledged that becomes hokage not because you want.

Naruto got what Itachi meant and this is the reason why he wants to be hokage and why even despite Neji dying he still wants to be one, because Neji acknowledged Naruto and all his friends acknowledged him plus the fact he returned that acknowledging everyone.
I feel that Sasuke could die or not but he will acknowledge Naruto.
 
The one who has big chances of dying is Sasuke since one of the reasons that kept him alive was Naruto with his motto "if i cant save i friend i dont deserve to be hokage".
But i dont think he will die, kishi made the team taka for a reason, to be his new family/team, like Kakashi pointed out.

Maybe death wish was too much but considering his mindframe he could still be ok with sacrificing his life.
Now there's the fact that he promised to stay alive until he becomes hokage but that moment is coming soon. It's more complicated but if both have a tnj confruntation ( neither of them are 100% right about bringing peace) and the leaf declare Naruto hokage then based on whatever democratic system konoha has he becomes one. Afterwards he could die without breaking his promise

[Sav from Australia]

Maybe death wish was too much but considering his mindframe he could still be ok with sacrificing his life.
Now there's the fact that he promised to stay alive until he becomes hokage but that moment is coming soon. It's more complicated but if both have a tnj confruntation ( neither of them are 100% right about bringing peace) and the leaf declare Naruto hokage then based on whatever democratic system konoha has he becomes one. Afterwards he could die without breaking his promise

 

I hope Naruto doesn't die in the end .  I'm hoping for a happy ending for most of the good guys.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Maybe death wish was too much but considering his mindframe he could still be ok with sacrificing his life.
Now there's the fact that he promised to stay alive until he becomes hokage but that moment is coming soon. It's more complicated but if both have a tnj confruntation ( neither of them are 100% right about bringing peace) and the leaf declare Naruto hokage then based on whatever democratic system konoha has he becomes one. Afterwards he could die without breaking his promise

I think he's not going to die because how he woudl really surpass his father and the previous generations if he die, what kind of message Kishi is really showing to us, his parents died on a disaster to save his life, the most obvious is him having his happy life without any more sacrifices because it would just reinforce Madara's thoughts.

[Dkey]

I think he's not going to die because how he woudl really surpass his father and the previous generations if he die, what kind of message Kishi is really showing to us, his parents died on a disaster to save his life, the most obvious is him having his happy life without any more sacrifices because it would just reinforce Madara's thoughts.

No just that he might really be in mortal danger soon. How that will happen beats me.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Is there a reason why Naruto and Sakura are the ones who never killed anyone on the series despite being ninjas?

To be saved for afterlife. The purest heart will be the next-gen Adam and Eve. I'm obviously joking, though it sounds like a fiction that a person can come up with a plot twist. I don't want to explain how so, but I can work with it.

 

Off-topic aside, well they are innocent and the only ones in Team 7 to not cross that border. Now I think about it, kind of shocked those 12/13 years old in Rescue Sasuke Arc actually killed. I know they have a reason but still...

[Gaara's hair]

To be saved for afterlife. The purest heart will be the next-gen Adam and Eve. I'm obviously joking, though it sounds like a fiction that a person can come up with a plot twist. I don't want to explain how so, but I can work with it.

 

Off-topic aside, well they are innocent and the only ones in Team 7 to not cross that border. Now I think about it, kind of shocked those 12/13 years old in Rescue Sasuke Arc actually killed. I know they have a reason but still...

Those aren't kids those are stone cold killers! Well except for Naruto and Sakura.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Those aren't kids those are stone cold killers! Well except for Naruto and Sakura.

Lol. To think, Chouji killed a guy in the heart or chest. Neji gave Kidoumaru a heart attack, which is cruel. Don't get me started on Gaara's team.

[Gaara's hair]

Lol. To think, Chouji killed a guy in the heart or chest. Neji gave Kidoumaru a heart attack, which is cruel. Don't get me started on Gaara's team.

Gaara has the most kills, who knew sand was so dangerous!  

[Atheck]

To be saved for afterlife. The purest heart will be the next-gen Adam and Eve. I'm obviously joking, though it sounds like a fiction that a person can come up with a plot twist. I don't want to explain how so, but I can work with it.

 

Off-topic aside, well they are innocent and the only ones in Team 7 to not cross that border. Now I think about it, kind of shocked those 12/13 years old in Rescue Sasuke Arc actually killed. I know they have a reason but still...

 

The only people who actually managed to successfully kill their respective targets during that arc who were of 12/13 years of age were Choji and Gaara. Neji was 14 in the latter half of P1 (which is the area of time that the Sasuke Retrieval Arc actually occurred in), Kiba was forced to retreat after his most powerful technique had failed, Shikamaru required assistance from Temari as he was beginning to falter in his struggle against Tayuya, and Lee was literally staring directly at the instrument of his potential demise when Gaara intervened. The Sand Siblings, excluding Gaara, were roughly the same age as the rookies in their current state back then so they wouldn't exactly fit the criteria.

 

Although I do get the gist of what you're saying. These are adolescents who are being thrown into a dangerous combat situation where the possibility of death is so readily apparent and the individuals involved so willing to kill in the name of their village/leader that it almost seems paradoxical. Especially when you consider that the ages and mindsets of all those involved are typically associated with naivety and innocence from such morbid prospects. 

 

As for the for lack of murdering in Naruto and Sakura's careers as shinobi it's open to interpretation as to whether they have actually killed or not; in Naruto's situation moreso. Can the sacrifices that are utilized in Pain's Shapeshifting Technique be considered living? Or it simply a physical creature that has long since been deprived of its independent sentience that is being manipulated like a puppet through the usage of chakra? We would need to refer to the 3rd Databook for clarification on that.

 

Then you have Kakuzu who's final "life" Kakashi did ultimately put an end to but from previous statements made about needing to "kill" five consecutive times before he actually dies wouldn't Naruto have technically killed him twice when he destroyed two of his hearts with the Rasenshuriken? Oh, and there's all of the Zetsu clones which Naruto destroyed but I doubt those are being considered.

 

One more thing. Even though it is arguable as to whether Naruto has ever killed before he has fought against opponents with the intention to kill before. That does somewhat remove the benevolent ambiance he has with his character.

Edited by Atheck, 11 June 2013 - 05:55 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

The only people who actually managed to successfully kill their respective targets during that arc who were of 12/13 years of age were Choji and Gaara. Neji was 14 in the latter half of P1 (which is the area of time that the Sasuke Retrieval Arc actually occurred in), Kiba was forced to retreat after his most powerful technique had failed, Shikamaru required assistance from Temari as he was beginning to falter in his struggle against Tayuya, and Lee was literally staring directly at the instrument of his potential demise when Gaara intervened. The Sand Siblings, excluding Gaara, were roughly the same age as the rookies in their current state back then so they wouldn't exactly fit the criteria.

 

Although I do get the gist of what you're saying. These are adolescents who are being thrown into a dangerous combat situation where the possibility of death is so readily apparent and the individuals involved so willing to kill in the name of their village/leader that it almost seems paradoxical. Especially when you consider that the ages and mindsets of all those involved are typically associated with naivety and innocence from such morbid prospects. 

 

As for the for lack of murdering in Naruto and Sakura's careers as shinobi it's open to interpretation as to whether they have actually killed or not; in Naruto's situation moreso. Can the sacrifices that are utilized in Pain's Shapeshifting Technique be considered living? Or it simply a physical creature that has long since been deprived of its independent sentience that is being manipulated like a puppet through the usage of chakra? We would need to refer to the 3rd Databook for clarification on that.

 

Then you have Kakuzu who's final "life" Kakashi did ultimately put an end to but from previous statements made about needing to "kill" five consecutive times before he actually dies wouldn't Naruto have technically killed him twice when he destroyed two of his hearts with the Rasenshuriken? Oh, and there's all of the Zetsu clones which Naruto destroyed but I doubt those are being considered.

 

One more thing. Even though it is arguable as to whether Naruto has ever killed before he has fought against opponents with the intention to kill before. That does somewhat remove the benevolent ambiance he has with his character.

Yeah this is the thinking we had take in consideration Naruto and Sakura when they are on situations that they have to kill or die, the opponent either runs away or suicide, Sasori pratically spoiled that, she and Chyo-baa were about to kill him but he then let himself be killed.

Naruto is the same, the guy is consumed by hi powerfull jutsu just to find out that his jutsu is "non-lethal" just makes his opponent unable to being a ninja anymore.