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#23121 n7610

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 08:52 AM

It's so hard to even enjoy Naruto anymore it's not even funny. To me, it's not even the ship war that I care about right now. More so the fact that the executives behind it are bleeding it right now and how the fan base honestly does not care at all. 'Killing' off Naruto is a cheap shot to just about every single fan of the series. We have followed it for over a decade yet the only thing the fanbase is interested in is "OH MY GOD BORUTO HAS A BYAKUGAN." Or Hinata's knockers (Ironic humor i hope.)

 

When the new manga released there was such a miniscule amount of attention towards Naruto's death apart from the tabloid youtuber kitten that gets posted daily then swept under the rug. Nobody really cared. In the end, not even the journey matters anymore.

 

Where is the supposed peace that Naruto set out to create? The Shinobi Villages are united. Better toss in space aliens for good measure. kitten on the series some more.

 

Nuke Konoha for the N'th time. Nobody cares.

 

Now there's even talk of Boruto surpassing Naruto completely with these contrived plot tattoo powers out of absolutely nowhere. The Mitsuki one shot is a complete downplay of Naruto, Hashirama, and Jiraya's sage mode training which technically took years of training but a random kid can burst into sage flames in the course of one chapter. Guess one of the high points of the series doesn't matter anymore.

 

All the Boruto Manga is doing, is demonstrating just how futile the original series was. What is the point of Naruto becoming hokage, learning the rasengan, sage mode, defeating Kurama, getting deus ex machina sage powers, and beating Sasuke since Ikemoto killed off Naruto.

 

Since Boruto has the canon label now there is this lingering shadow over the entire franchise that essentially screams 'pointless!' It doesn't even have the artistic qualities of a story such as Sweeney Todd. There is no tragic ending. Only a kitten beginning and a view of what's to come. There is no good to come of it due to the entire concept of a sequel has to be so contrived and deliberate in order to work in the Naruto Franchise. Instead going with it's strengths (The focus on the side characters in arcs such as the Chunnin Exams and World-lore) it plays on it's weaknesses. (Bad Guys, Power Creep, Ships)

 

I and many others probably would have preferred it if there were no sequel in the first place. But that's obviously not going to happen. I'd have preferred if the Hiden Novels were a new manga if anything. Show us the world after the war. The rebuilding efforts and so on. Anything but contrived kitten for shock value. It plays on the franchise's strengths rather than blowing away everything that was built up.

 

It's sickening how Naruto the original series is going to be overshadowed by Boruto simply due to it being a cash cow sequel. I used to enjoy simply reading a random chapter, or watching a random episode. But there is the constant lingering whisper that everything that I'm watching or reading is a complete waste of my time since in actuality, it doesn't matter any more. And the sad thing is, the new manga is just an overhyped fan fiction. It tosses away the core of the series just to get cash. There is no quality behind it. If it was, than it wouldn't be in recap hell right now. It shows that it's been written into a complete corner and whoever the hell actually is writing it has no idea what he or she is doing which begs the question What the hell is the actual point of this?

 

Is it really so freaking difficult to just end it? Instead of spoon feeding contrived kitten why not give some kind of closure? An open ended ending maybe? Is the story of a 'kid trying to get out of his father's shadow' cliche really good sequel bait when all it is, is a pity fest? Boruto has no redeeming qualities and it shouldn't. It lacks heart and substance which Naruto undeniably had. (Even if it lost it somewhere along the way.) If you take away the shipping lens every character was unique and likeable. Sakura attempting to better herself throughout the series, Hinata attempting to become a strong leader. It's all downplayed due to the ending+ continuation. That heart was there. But it's being so overshadowed by Boruto that even now the original series has lost it's luster because in the end,

 

Absolutely none of the developments made over the course of the series matter since all of the characters we liked are now considered dead, or glorified side characters.

 

And that REALLY sucks.

 

 



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Posted 15 November 2016 - 08:54 AM

 

That's what I do. (Aside from this site and some pro-NaruSaku tumblr pages and Anti-NH/SS pages/posts) The site had nothing to do with Naruto. It was just a random ad. Nowhere is safe.  :cry:

 

If it's an ad, use ad block. I have ton of naruto ads that i blocked.


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Posted 15 November 2016 - 08:58 AM

It's so hard to even enjoy Naruto anymore it's not even funny. To me, it's not even the ship war that I care about right now. More so the fact that the executives behind it are bleeding it right now and how the fan base honestly does not care at all. 'Killing' off Naruto is a cheap shot to just about every single fan of the series. We have followed it for over a decade yet the only thing the fanbase is interested in is "OH MY GOD BORUTO HAS A BYAKUGAN." Or Hinata's knockers (Ironic humor i hope.)

 

When the new manga released there was such a miniscule amount of attention towards Naruto's death apart from the tabloid youtuber kitten that gets posted daily then swept under the rug. Nobody really cared. In the end, not even the journey matters anymore.

 

Where is the supposed peace that Naruto set out to create? The Shinobi Villages are united. Better toss in space aliens for good measure. kitten on the series some more.

 

Nuke Konoha for the N'th time. Nobody cares.

 

Now there's even talk of Boruto surpassing Naruto completely with these contrived plot tattoo powers out of absolutely nowhere. The Mitsuki one shot is a complete downplay of Naruto, Hashirama, and Jiraya's sage mode training which technically took years of training but a random kid can burst into sage flames in the course of one chapter. Guess one of the high points of the series doesn't matter anymore.

 

All the Boruto Manga is doing, is demonstrating just how futile the original series was. What is the point of Naruto becoming hokage, learning the rasengan, sage mode, defeating Kurama, getting deus ex machina sage powers, and beating Sasuke since Ikemoto killed off Naruto.

 

Since Boruto has the canon label now there is this lingering shadow over the entire franchise that essentially screams 'pointless!' It doesn't even have the artistic qualities of a story such as Sweeney Todd. There is no tragic ending. Only a kitten beginning and a view of what's to come. There is no good to come of it due to the entire concept of a sequel has to be so contrived and deliberate in order to work in the Naruto Franchise. Instead going with it's strengths (The focus on the side characters in arcs such as the Chunnin Exams and World-lore) it plays on it's weaknesses. (Bad Guys, Power Creep, Ships)

 

I and many others probably would have preferred it if there were no sequel in the first place. But that's obviously not going to happen. I'd have preferred if the Hiden Novels were a new manga if anything. Show us the world after the war. The rebuilding efforts and so on. Anything but contrived kitten for shock value. It plays on the franchise's strengths rather than blowing away everything that was built up.

 

It's sickening how Naruto the original series is going to be overshadowed by Boruto simply due to it being a cash cow sequel. I used to enjoy simply reading a random chapter, or watching a random episode. But there is the constant lingering whisper that everything that I'm watching or reading is a complete waste of my time since in actuality, it doesn't matter any more. And the sad thing is, the new manga is just an overhyped fan fiction. It tosses away the core of the series just to get cash. There is no quality behind it. If it was, than it wouldn't be in recap hell right now. It shows that it's been written into a complete corner and whoever the hell actually is writing it has no idea what he or she is doing which begs the question What the hell is the actual point of this?

 

Is it really so freaking difficult to just end it? Instead of spoon feeding contrived kitten why not give some kind of closure? An open ended ending maybe? Is the story of a 'kid trying to get out of his father's shadow' cliche really good sequel bait when all it is, is a pity fest? Boruto has no redeeming qualities and it shouldn't. It lacks heart and substance which Naruto undeniably had. (Even if it lost it somewhere along the way.) If you take away the shipping lens every character was unique and likeable. Sakura attempting to better herself throughout the series, Hinata attempting to become a strong leader. It's all downplayed due to the ending+ continuation. That heart was there. But it's being so overshadowed by Boruto that even now the original series has lost it's luster because in the end,

 

Absolutely none of the developments made over the course of the series matter since all of the characters we liked are now considered dead, or glorified side characters.

 

And that REALLY sucks.

 

 

 

That's why Shuiesha, SP and WSJ join forces to manipulate into Kishi make Hinata the heroine for NH, so they could create their self insert Sasuke fantasy into Naruto's NH pineapple head spawn. 


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Posted 15 November 2016 - 09:09 AM

It wouldn't be the only one. Apparently, Bleach Editor lowered Rukia into among Ichigo's friends, not citing her as a heroine. I don't care for romance reason, but it seems like they want to pull that off to make it "clear."



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Posted 15 November 2016 - 09:40 AM

It wouldn't be the only one. Apparently, Bleach Editor lowered Rukia into among Ichigo's friends, not citing her as a heroine. I don't care for romance reason, but it seems like they want to pull that off to make it "clear."

 

How intriguing. Too me, it didn't seem like Kubo cared too much about heroine and pairings. He just went along with it like a hook on a sinker.


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Posted 15 November 2016 - 10:20 AM

That's why Shuiesha, SP and WSJ join forces to manipulate into Kishi make Hinata the heroine for NH, so they could create their self insert Sasuke fantasy into Naruto's NH pineapple head spawn. 

It's probably more "What Kishimoto is running out of juice, and wants to end Naruto soon?! But that's are best international seller (this is long before My hero academy, One punch man, or even The New Dragonball movies or anything like that came out or gain popularity)!!! We can't let Naruto end like this! We need to keep it going in order to continue getting those international profit." So the Executives have a meeting. "OK Kishimoto wants to end Naruto. What do we do?" Then after some ideas are suggested "How about a sequel?" "A sequel.... Yes, That could work but what would it be about?" "Well apparently potential couple pairing are a big thing in the fanbase. So we just picked the most popular ones and have those couple have kids to create a new cast." Muttering about that being a good idea. "OK but who will be the mangaka? Kishimoto is leaving the series?" "Why don't we just have one of his assistant like that guy who does his backgrounds take over." "But can the assistant who takes-over write?" They thinks this over for awhile till someone else get the brilliant idea "I know! After the manga end we will have some of our light novelist do tie-in to manga to connect it with the sequel, and pick one of them to be the writer!"...

 

Then the rest of the ideas were hammered out some were added through time.

 

They got kishimoto probably agreed to the sequel early on. SP heard that they were going to have one last move and they wanted it according to the director "to be about romance." And then the nH editors and staff at SP spent their time convincing everyone (bullying kishimoto into accepting it once they convinced the executives) that nH was the most popular pairing in the international fanbase.

 

And then everything fell apart. Now they rely on the Chinese (apparently) to keep it afloat.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 15 November 2016 - 10:22 AM.


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Posted 15 November 2016 - 10:41 AM

I gotta ask what the kitten filter over SP latest anime? Cause it makes the anime look awful and cheap instead of stylistic and artsy.



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Posted 15 November 2016 - 07:32 PM

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Boruto at the age of 12 already master sage mode in 1 day .... REALLY??? :jawdrop: :jawdrop:


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 02:28 AM

Is Boruto a Gary Stu?


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 06:50 AM

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Boruto at the age of 12 already master sage mode in 1 day .... REALLY??? :jawdrop: :jawdrop:

...No. He is talking about Cups Orochimaru's...son?



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Posted 16 November 2016 - 11:22 AM

It's probably more "What Kishimoto is running out of juice, and wants to end Naruto soon?! But that's are best international seller (this is long before My hero academy, One punch man, or even The New Dragonball movies or anything like that came out or gain popularity)!!! We can't let Naruto end like this! We need to keep it going in order to continue getting those international profit." So the Executives have a meeting. "OK Kishimoto wants to end Naruto. What do we do?" Then after some ideas are suggested "How about a sequel?" "A sequel.... Yes, That could work but what would it be about?" "Well apparently potential couple pairing are a big thing in the fanbase. So we just picked the most popular ones and have those couple have kids to create a new cast." Muttering about that being a good idea. "OK but who will be the mangaka? Kishimoto is leaving the series?" "Why don't we just have one of his assistant like that guy who does his backgrounds take over." "But can the assistant who takes-over write?" They thinks this over for awhile till someone else get the brilliant idea "I know! After the manga end we will have some of our light novelist do tie-in to manga to connect it with the sequel, and pick one of them to be the writer!"...

 

Then the rest of the ideas were hammered out some were added through time.

 

They got kishimoto probably agreed to the sequel early on. SP heard that they were going to have one last move and they wanted it according to the director "to be about romance." And then the nH editors and staff at SP spent their time convincing everyone (bullying kishimoto into accepting it once they convinced the executives) that nH was the most popular pairing in the international fanbase.

 

And then everything fell apart. Now they rely on the Chinese (apparently) to keep it afloat.

 

China has a lot of people.


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 06:35 PM

You know what a long time ago I read a story which Ino never meet Sakura and she kept getting picked on by Amu the one that mocked her forehead, now I wonder what would have happened if that happened in Canon.



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Posted 16 November 2016 - 07:23 PM

 

China.

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Posted 16 November 2016 - 10:55 PM

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Boruto at the age of 12 already master sage mode in 1 day .... REALLY??? :jawdrop: :jawdrop:

 

Next thing you know he can do a bijuu-dama without a bijuu and on his first try. Or maybe make a rasengan technique beyond RasenShuriken! :zaru:


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 02:00 AM

It's probably more "What Kishimoto is running out of juice, and wants to end Naruto soon?! But that's are best international seller (this is long before My hero academy, One punch man, or even The New Dragonball movies or anything like that came out or gain popularity)!!! We can't let Naruto end like this! We need to keep it going in order to continue getting those international profit." So the Executives have a meeting. "OK Kishimoto wants to end Naruto. What do we do?" Then after some ideas are suggested "How about a sequel?" "A sequel.... Yes, That could work but what would it be about?" "Well apparently potential couple pairing are a big thing in the fanbase. So we just picked the most popular ones and have those couple have kids to create a new cast." Muttering about that being a good idea. "OK but who will be the mangaka? Kishimoto is leaving the series?" "Why don't we just have one of his assistant like that guy who does his backgrounds take over." "But can the assistant who takes-over write?" They thinks this over for awhile till someone else get the brilliant idea "I know! After the manga end we will have some of our light novelist do tie-in to manga to connect it with the sequel, and pick one of them to be the writer!"...

 

Then the rest of the ideas were hammered out some were added through time.

 

They got kishimoto probably agreed to the sequel early on. SP heard that they were going to have one last move and they wanted it according to the director "to be about romance." And then the nH editors and staff at SP spent their time convincing everyone (bullying kishimoto into accepting it once they convinced the executives) that nH was the most popular pairing in the international fanbase.

 

And then everything fell apart. Now they rely on the Chinese (apparently) to keep it afloat.

nah, battle of gods came a year before the naruto ending, and unfortunately for them the movies and db super had no connection to them whatsoever so they didn't profit over it. otherwise they'd be somewhere on the dvds, and they aren't. I'm holding the dvds of both movies in my hand right now, no shonen jump logo. nothing leading to them profiting over it.


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 04:19 AM

nah, battle of gods came a year before the naruto ending, and unfortunately for them the movies and db super had no connection to them whatsoever so they didn't profit over it. otherwise they'd be somewhere on the dvds, and they aren't. I'm holding the dvds of both movies in my hand right now, no shonen jump logo. nothing leading to them profiting over it.

Then the idea of restarting Dragonball  with Dragonball Super didn't completely take hold as an idea in the executives' heads yet.

 

Also this probably happened over the five years kishimoto was dealing with those nH fanatical editors.



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Posted 17 November 2016 - 04:24 AM

:D

Well their are a lot of people in China and even Hollywood has started focusing on them in recent years. Ghostbuster was hoping to make up for it losses in the US in China, Warcraft the Movie became a success because of China, the new start wars is apparently increasing the Asian in the cast hoping to interest China after the Force Awakens didn't and for Naruto the second largest revenue that got from the Bolt movie was from China.



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Posted 17 November 2016 - 10:26 AM

Well their are a lot of people in China and even Hollywood has started focusing on them in recent years. Ghostbuster was hoping to make up for it losses in the US in China, Warcraft the Movie became a success because of China, the new start wars is apparently increasing the Asian in the cast hoping to interest China after the Force Awakens didn't and for Naruto the second largest revenue that got from the Bolt movie was from China.

 

Compare to the three films, the Warcraft film should be the least to get flames. It got flames because of WoW fanatics that are very similar to the NH fandom, the orcs are too cartoonish and the film came out too late. 


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 12:43 PM

To be fair, I did read some decent NH fanfics, but they definitely are a VERY tiny minority.
Some other steps that could be added in from what I've seen in other NH fanfics like that...
- Naruto magically gets together with Hinata instantly while the author themselves even state in the story that he NEVER noticed her before.
- Have Hinata magically gain a spine and/or new OP powers and beats up / kill Sakura and/or others, even her own family (largely Hiashi, Hanabi, and Neji).
- Aside from over-dramatizing Naruto's pariah status (beating, torturing, even sexual assault and shinobi using lethal techniques on him, etc.), they also have practically EVERYONE ELSE be involved even when the canon clearly showed otherwise (like Shikamaru, Chouji, and Kiba). Clearly a way to make it look like Hinata is the absolutely only one who "truly cares" about Naruto.
- Turning Hiruzen into someone worse than Danzo.
- Aside from giving Naruto a new (OP / cool) power(s), they suddenly make him extremely intelligent (usually making even Shikamaru look like an idiot), usually under the really weak "I was only pretending to be stupid" mask excuse, usually casually going into the Forest of Death and easily surviving.

To be fair I've read some good ones were those things are in and it works most vfsnake has most of these and he's stories work, naruto and the league from hell is fun 21 is good, cause hinata is such as kitten in that and only used naruto and later tried to get with him when he's dracula.

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 07:44 PM

Sometimes I wonder why they needed NH/SS for a sequel. Wouldn't NS/SK be better?  :ermm: Mind you, without the character assassination. (I never thought Naruto needed a sequel either. It still doesn't. Good grief.)


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