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[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Kishimoto may not have liked the ending but he did accept it at first. Since part of the editors' bullying was to convincing him to no one liked Sakura and the fanbase wanted Hinata to be the heroine by a vast majority. Which is why he a trying to justify the ending in the interviews before The Last. Since he was convince that even if it wasn't where the story was logically suppose to go it was what the fans that have supported him for over 15 years wanted. Then once the last hits the theaters both in Japan and abroad, and they got to see how "successful" the movie was amongst the fanbase. As well as how sales quickly declined. Once that happened the spin of the fans only cared about "Hinata, Hinata, Hinata" fall apart very quickly.

 

After that his interviews and comments vary from justifying the decision and bitterness of it after effects (among other things). Till he is at is current mood acceptance and indifference towards Naruto. Like most of us this point. He helping with bolt and having his name attach to it one) probably because Shueisha is forcing him to and two) to support his old assistant. But he clearly wants to be gone as soon as he can, so he can work on his next project.

 

The people who originally supported his NS Idea will no longer care or support his next Scifi project. Evil has a point. He's more likelly going make us feel sorry for the villains again.

[milan kyuubi]

I know and it all depends on who would be killed and what they guy would do to Naruto I mean Negan broke Rick badly and pushed him to his limits as well and me I would want the guy to do the same to Naruto push him and break him as well.

 

I mean maybe kill two of his friends and then have him force Naruto to cut of one of his friends lims.

 

But I have to ask what do you think he would do and what Negan type of guy should do to push Naruto down?

 

Well lets go with part one. After chunin exams. A non ninja villain (similar, but way better then Gato) and his army (some ninjas). If they forced Naruto to watch as they kill/torture for an example Lee, Kiba, and even Sakura in the end. After beating Naruto near to death before that. Breaking Naruto's conviction, his ninja way. Forced him to face the cruel world of man/ninja. Many people believe then when a person is completely broken. They scream, rage etc etc. But it's the opposite. Naruto wouldn't rage, scream or anything like that. His eyes would be blank. He wouldn't feel anything expect hard cold fury. For the first time he would make a decision to kill them and not feel anything of it. He would summon NT chakra. But the chakra will not affect him mentally. Naruto would be in perfect control while literally tearing them apart.

 

Before Pein invasion. Naruto has never actually seen how the world can be cold, unfair, inhuman. His reaction back then was enormous amount of rage which brought the NT chakra to such levels. But he was not broken.

 

But in another scenario. Naruto would be broken beyond repair. What he just experienced, add to this his awful/horrible past. Honestly in this case I can't see which action would he take after. Would he kill himself? Become like Pein? Or decides to obliterate every living being in existence?

 

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That's why I was always pissed we never saw even a gray Naruto (usually it was just kyuubi excuse, and that one scene with him meeting his dark self). I wanted to see Naruto making hard cold decisions. Naruto using his anger on others. Before he finally masters it (and by proxy can now begin the PJ training). But Kishi went to such levels to never have anyone killed by Naruto (even Kakuzu). Tho he shoot himself in the foot even with this when zetsu's were former humans.

[Yyubie]

Kishi really need to learn how to draw a villain from Akame ga Kill. Sometimes the only cure for villain is death, otherwise if you try to redeem them they just gonna keep hurt/kill other innocent people. Not everyone can be redeem.

[Phantom_999]

Not Even Akame ga Kill.  "THE JOKER" taught us that

[Bail o' Lies]

Ok everyone going on about kishimoto villains right now. I Think I made a few posts about that:

 

Kishimoto had a problem that is "that no one is born evil, its society that makes someone evil." In other world almost every villain (except Gato) in the manga is evil because of the flaws in the ninja system. So almost every time a villain is defeat we must see a flashback of their tragic past so we can feel incredible sorrow for their death, and lament what good they could have done it society had help them instead of screwing them over. This is actually endemic to most shouen manga as most of manga of the genre have large number of casts are built off of former rivals and villains turned good after the main casts beats them. The thing is that different between most of other mangaka and kishi is that. The other mangaka still have people who are just genuine bastards who just need to be killed in their stories while kishi everyone is basically 'this'.

 

 All the villains are evil because of the ninja system and it needs to have either major reforms or outright removed could be consider a major theme in Naruto for a long time. The problem is that Kishimoto got side tracked by that "cycle of hatred" crap. The thing is that the "cycle of hatred" really isn't a part of Naruto's character or his themes. The "flaws in the ninja system" and "a need to reform it?" Yes. Revenge? No. Hell, the one time he was out for revenge he stopped and instead listened to the bad guy's story of how his dog died. But the "cycle of hatred" and the "obsession with revenge can destroy your life" is apart of Sasuke's themes. So that just another part of Sasuke taking over the manga because kishi makes him evil but not too evil and then tries to justify why he is evil.

 

How this relates to a problem in the final battle between Naruto and Sasuke?  It is he felt more need to explain and justify Sasuke's revolution plan (that we know is not going to happen) instead of explaining to Sasuke and the audience what Naruto's plan was. Since these are the last chapters and the final battle and it would be nice if Naruto can explain how he is going to fix the system that been an obvious problem since Chapter 1. So literally from a literary stand point what they are talking about in this battle is a waste of time.

 

Kishimoto failed to properly explain what Naruto plan was. Which obviously if we looked at how they story developed since the beginning was reform the Ninja system. The problem is Kishimoto didn't lay it out or explain it so all we are left is listening to Sasuke's plan. Naruto already had a lot of influnce as the heart of the ninja army or what ever he is. If he used that properly to influence the other villages as well as his own he could have removed a lot of problem with the system. Then the "Will of Fire" and the next generation continues enacting more reform. Which is basically what has been happening in konoha since the first hokage. Once again kishimoto didn't explain it nor care so Naruto has no plan so nothing is accomplish in the end. Then again doing nothing is at least better then Sasuke's plan

 

Sasuke's plan. If one were to start a revolution to set up a new system. One would need to think long and hard about all the details. Instead Sasuke plan was first to kill all the hokages and Naruto so one could oppose him. Then become the sole kage who "dwells in the shadow." Where he would exist and kill anyone who disagrees with him. And somehow this would create his peaceful world. By making everyone live in fear of him, and killing a lot of people. That's it. Really, that is it. This is not a good plan.

 

Granted I was talking about the final fight and that it was poorly done. Let me add to this then. The problem with kishimoto's villain isn't the fact that he wants us to empathize with them and none of his villains are just bad guys. That is not the problem. The problem is that nothing comes from it. They all have that "oh pity me I had a bad life because of the ninja system. So I am evil because of society." But what comes out of all the villains having that? Nothing, because ultimately Naruto's goal is to end the cycle of hatred so that Sasuke will no longer have a reason to be evil and return the the village. So all those moments where we were suppose to empathize with them is pointless. Since all that matters is Sasuke's villainy in the end. If Kishimoto wanted all those villains oh pity me moments to have a point. It needs to be something Us the audience and Naruto learn from and through Naruto that Kishimoto teaches us how to solve. Which is why I keep saying the moral was and should have remained "reform the ninja system to remove the corruption in it."

 

So if that had remained the moral message and was actually expressed during the final fight and the ending what the audience would hopefully get out of it would have been: "Like Naruto don't just accept corruption fight it and reject it as well as work with other to reform the system to make your area a better place."

 

Instead we have Naruto focus on Sasuke and the cycle of hatred which leads to the message of: "No matter what a person does no matter how heinous the action you are to forgive them immediately. Steal from you? Forgive them. Killed someone you love? Forgive them. Raped everyone you care about? Forgive them. Killed everyone you cared about? Forgive them. Cause a war that leads to the destruction of humanity? You forgive them on the spot. And so on." Also the final message that is given to his son that will continue on in Boruto manga the message of: "One must simply endure the problems' of the world there is no fixing it and do not try because it is impossible," as well as "maintaining the Status Quo at all cost."

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 26 October 2016 - 08:22 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

It also doesn't help that most of the major "villains" Naruto faced were merely foils of himself "gone wrong" - Haku, Gaara, Nagato, Obito, etc. and so it just made it that much easier for him to empathize with them (and win via Talk no Jutsu in cases), but whenever it came to others who weren't foils of himself, he really has no problem going after them to destroy them, whether it be the main story, non-canon movies, or fillers - Orochimaru, Deidara, Kakuzu, Madara, Kaguya, etc. Same thing when it comes to helping people - if it involved stuff he didn't really understand, care about, or could imagine himself in the position, Naruto has been shown to be quite rude, a bit of a prick, and so on rather than being eager to help.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

It also doesn't help that most of the major "villains" Naruto faced were merely foils of himself "gone wrong" - Haku, Gaara, Nagato, Obito, etc. and so it just made it that much easier for him to empathize with them (and win via Talk no Jutsu in cases), but whenever it came to others who weren't foils of himself, he really has no problem going after them to destroy them, whether it be the main story, non-canon movies, or fillers - Orochimaru, Deidara, Kakuzu, Madara, Kaguya, etc. Same thing when it comes to helping people - if it involved stuff he didn't really understand, care about, or could imagine himself in the position, Naruto has been shown to be quite rude, a bit of a prick, and so on rather than being eager to help.

 

Which is something I would rectify in my fan fiction.

[VanitasDS76491]

Ok everyone going on about kishimoto villains right now. I Think I made a few posts about that:
 
Kishimoto had a problem that is "that no one is born evil, its society that makes someone evil." In other world almost every villain (except Gato) in the manga is evil because of the flaws in the ninja system. So almost every time a villain is defeat we must see a flashback of their tragic past so we can feel incredible sorrow for their death, and lament what good they could have done it society had help them instead of screwing them over. This is actually endemic to most shouen manga as most of manga of the genre have large number of casts are built off of former rivals and villains turned good after the main casts beats them. The thing is that different between most of other mangaka and kishi is that. The other mangaka still have people who are just genuine bastards who just need to be killed in their stories while kishi everyone is basically 'this'.
 
 All the villains are evil because of the ninja system and it needs to have either major reforms or outright removed could be consider a major theme in Naruto for a long time. The problem is that Kishimoto got side tracked by that "cycle of hatred" crap. The thing is that the "cycle of hatred" really isn't a part of Naruto's character or his themes. The "flaws in the ninja system" and "a need to reform it?" Yes. Revenge? No. Hell, the one time he was out for revenge he stopped and instead listened to the bad guy's story of how his dog died. But the "cycle of hatred" and the "obsession with revenge can destroy your life" is apart of Sasuke's themes. So that just another part of Sasuke taking over the manga because kishi makes him evil but not too evil and then tries to justify why he is evil.
 
How this relates to a problem in the final battle between Naruto and Sasuke?  It is he felt more need to explain and justify Sasuke's revolution plan (that we know is not going to happen) instead of explaining to Sasuke and the audience what Naruto's plan was. Since these are the last chapters and the final battle and it would be nice if Naruto can explain how he is going to fix the system that been an obvious problem since Chapter 1. So literally from a literary stand point what they are talking about in this battle is a waste of time.
 
Kishimoto failed to properly explain what Naruto plan was. Which obviously if we looked at how they story developed since the beginning was reform the Ninja system. The problem is Kishimoto didn't lay it out or explain it so all we are left is listening to Sasuke's plan. Naruto already had a lot of influnce as the heart of the ninja army or what ever he is. If he used that properly to influence the other villages as well as his own he could have removed a lot of problem with the system. Then the "Will of Fire" and the next generation continues enacting more reform. Which is basically what has been happening in konoha since the first hokage. Once again kishimoto didn't explain it nor care so Naruto has no plan so nothing is accomplish in the end. Then again doing nothing is at least better then Sasuke's plan
 
Sasuke's plan. If one were to start a revolution to set up a new system. One would need to think long and hard about all the details. Instead Sasuke plan was first to kill all the hokages and Naruto so one could oppose him. Then become the sole kage who "dwells in the shadow." Where he would exist and kill anyone who disagrees with him. And somehow this would create his peaceful world. By making everyone live in fear of him, and killing a lot of people. That's it. Really, that is it. This is not a good plan.
 
Granted I was talking about the final fight and that it was poorly done. Let me add to this then. The problem with kishimoto's villain isn't the fact that he wants us to empathize with them and none of his villains are just bad guys. That is not the problem. The problem is that nothing comes from it. They all have that "oh pity me i had a bad life because of the ninja system. So I am evil because of society." But what comes out of all the villains having that? Nothing, because ultimately Naruto's goal is to end the cycle of hatred so that Sasuke will no longer have a reason to be evil and return the the village. So all those moments where we were suppose to empathize with them is pointless. Since all that matters is Sasuke's villainy in the end. If Kishimoto wanted all those villains oh pity me moments to have a point. It needs to be something Us the audience and Naruto learn from and through Naruto that Kishimoto teaches us how to solve. Which is why I keep saying the moral was and should have remained "reform the ninja system to remove the corruption in it."
 
So if that had remained the moral message and was actually expressed during the final fight and the ending what the audience would hopefully get out of it would have been: "Like Naruto don't just accept corruption fight it and reject it as well as work with other to reform the system to make your area a better place."
 
Instead we have Naruto focus on Sasuke and the cycle of hatred which leads to the message of: "No matter what a person does no matter how heinous the action you are to forgive them immediately. Steal from you? Forgive them. Killed someone you love? Forgive them. Raped everyone you care about? Forgive them. Killed everyone you cared about? Forgive them. Cause a war that leads to the destruction of humanity? You forgive them on the spot. And so on." Also the final message that is given to his son that will continue on in Boruto manga the message of: "enduring the problems not fixing them as well as maintaining the Status Quo at all cost."

You know civil war address point like this way better than kishi tried and failed to do. And want to know why civil war worked cause they showed both sides of argument and didn't say who was right. And that same movie had black panther go sasuke for a bit but did it better and black panther chosen not to let revenge cosume him.

[Phantom_999]

 

Ok everyone going on about kishimoto villains right now. I Think I made a few posts about that:

 

Kishimoto had a problem that is "that no one is born evil, its society that makes someone evil." In other world almost every villain (except Gato) in the manga is evil because of the flaws in the ninja system. So almost every time a villain is defeat we must see a flashback of their tragic past so we can feel incredible sorrow for their death, and lament what good they could have done it society had help them instead of screwing them over. This is actually endemic to most shouen manga as most of manga of the genre have large number of casts are built off of former rivals and villains turned good after the main casts beats them. The thing is that different between most of other mangaka and kishi is that. The other mangaka still have people who are just genuine bastards who just need to be killed in their stories while kishi everyone is basically 'this'.

 

 All the villains are evil because of the ninja system and it needs to have either major reforms or outright removed could be consider a major theme in Naruto for a long time. The problem is that Kishimoto got side tracked by that "cycle of hatred" crap. The thing is that the "cycle of hatred" really isn't a part of Naruto's character or his themes. The "flaws in the ninja system" and "a need to reform it?" Yes. Revenge? No. Hell, the one time he was out for revenge he stopped and instead listened to the bad guy's story of how his dog died. But the "cycle of hatred" and the "obsession with revenge can destroy your life" is apart of Sasuke's themes. So that just another part of Sasuke taking over the manga because kishi makes him evil but not too evil and then tries to justify why he is evil.

 

How this relates to a problem in the final battle between Naruto and Sasuke?  It is he felt more need to explain and justify Sasuke's revolution plan (that we know is not going to happen) instead of explaining to Sasuke and the audience what Naruto's plan was. Since these are the last chapters and the final battle and it would be nice if Naruto can explain how he is going to fix the system that been an obvious problem since Chapter 1. So literally from a literary stand point what they are talking about in this battle is a waste of time.

 

Kishimoto failed to properly explain what Naruto plan was. Which obviously if we looked at how they story developed since the beginning was reform the Ninja system. The problem is Kishimoto didn't lay it out or explain it so all we are left is listening to Sasuke's plan. Naruto already had a lot of influnce as the heart of the ninja army or what ever he is. If he used that properly to influence the other villages as well as his own he could have removed a lot of problem with the system. Then the "Will of Fire" and the next generation continues enacting more reform. Which is basically what has been happening in konoha since the first hokage. Once again kishimoto didn't explain it nor care so Naruto has no plan so nothing is accomplish in the end. Then again doing nothing is at least better then Sasuke's plan

 

Sasuke's plan. If one were to start a revolution to set up a new system. One would need to think long and hard about all the details. Instead Sasuke plan was first to kill all the hokages and Naruto so one could oppose him. Then become the sole kage who "dwells in the shadow." Where he would exist and kill anyone who disagrees with him. And somehow this would create his peaceful world. By making everyone live in fear of him, and killing a lot of people. That's it. Really, that is it. This is not a good plan.

 

Granted I was talking about the final fight and that it was poorly done. Let me add to this then. The problem with kishimoto's villain isn't the fact that he wants us to empathize with them and none of his villains are just bad guys. That is not the problem. The problem is that nothing comes from it. They all have that "oh pity me I had a bad life because of the ninja system. So I am evil because of society." But what comes out of all the villains having that? Nothing, because ultimately Naruto's goal is to end the cycle of hatred so that Sasuke will no longer have a reason to be evil and return the the village. So all those moments where we were suppose to empathize with them is pointless. Since all that matters is Sasuke's villainy in the end. If Kishimoto wanted all those villains oh pity me moments to have a point. It needs to be something Us the audience and Naruto learn from and through Naruto that Kishimoto teaches us how to solve. Which is why I keep saying the moral was and should have remained "reform the ninja system to remove the corruption in it."

 

So if that had remained the moral message and was actually expressed during the final fight and the ending what the audience would hopefully get out of it would have been: "Like Naruto don't just accept corruption fight it and reject it as well as work with other to reform the system to make your area a better place."

 

Instead we have Naruto focus on Sasuke and the cycle of hatred which leads to the message of: "No matter what a person does no matter how heinous the action you are to forgive them immediately. Steal from you? Forgive them. Killed someone you love? Forgive them. Raped everyone you care about? Forgive them. Killed everyone you cared about? Forgive them. Cause a war that leads to the destruction of humanity? You forgive them on the spot. And so on." Also the final message that is given to his son that will continue on in Boruto manga the message of: "One must simply endure the problems' of the world there is fixing it and do not try because it is impossible," as well as "maintaining the Status Quo at all cost."

 

 

Yeah that's what I have a problem with really. It's not that villains were redeemable, but that they were "pity me no for reason" signs that meant their actions were excusable, and that the ending didn't address or solve these issues. It is just garbage writing through and through that did not stick to or resolve it's themes. But it is true that a "complete monster" villain without any redeeming features would be interesting Just because you have a Freudian Excuse doesn't mean you would have a change of heart

Edited by Phantom_999, 26 October 2016 - 08:27 PM.

[LuckyChi7]

 

Nice. Is it fanfiction or original?

 

 

The manga industry is toxic. Granted novelist where I live and good portion of the world don't have the luxury to choose their book cover, named their books and books series. And the way the manuscript is formatted when the get into a novel house publishing like NY Best Times Sellers (because the publisher demands it and author's have no saying by contract) . But publishers almost never interfere with the author's intentions and forced them to do something else against their will like manga editors do to their mangaka. Writers have plenty of freedom over their story, versus mangaka are heavily influenced and under pressure by editors rather they like it or not. And novelist can choose to continue or to discontinue their work whenever they want to unlike the manga industry.

 

And from what my friend told me that he has ties with the manga industry that readers are not so post to know that any mangaka can loose all royalties and rights to their if the manga get cancelled, meaning the manga house and company can have hire many writers and illustrators to continue the work without the owners permission (and the manga don't get paid too). That's why they work themselves to a death like situation. Although I trust my friend but there's no conclusive evidence to suggest that.

 

 

 

Even for a guy like that was on the same level as Oda had a hard time ending the DBZ manga because they force him to continue after the Freeza Saga and the Cell Saga. Not easy to get out of it.

 

 

For the most part  it is an original work, but there are a couple Naruto like things I threw in there... Don't worry there isn't gonna be any talk no jutsus, or this person is just confused, he's not really evil.. none of that bs is gonna be in there.. What I mean is two elements that are gonna come from one of my characters... I'm not gonna say who, but I can say is I've got all my characters end goals figured out.  

 

in a way you can say that When I'm creating characters I make sure i figure out where they start off, and where their journey is gonna end. Aside from the world aspect which is important, characters are probably essential in any story for the reader to connect to, and hopefully I can get my point across with my own original novel... 

 

There is a romance element I'm not gonna lie and say there isn't, but I'd say it's more of a  serious spin on NaruSaku and less on the comedic aspect of it. Think of the moments when Naruto went 4 tails,  when Sakura hugged Naruto after he beat Pain,The CPR Scene ,or even The Promise of a Lifetime...  There won't be any scenes like that in the book, but think of the emotions behind it... That's what I mean. 

 

Though at the moment I'm still working on it, I'm more or less on the final act of the novel.. It's just been tough writing it cause of College, but I know I'll get it done probably towards either the end of November or December for sure... I think the biggest difficulty on my end of things after that is  gonna be editing, and trying to find someone that'll publish it when the time comes. 

 

 

But anyway talking about NS is one thing, but... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fan art wise I think that one's in my top 5. 

Edited by LuckyChi7, 26 October 2016 - 09:05 PM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

 

 

For the most part  it is an original work, but there are a couple Naruto like things I threw in there... Don't worry there isn't gonna be any talk no jutsus, or this person is just confused, he's not really evil.. none of that bs is gonna be in there.. What I mean is two elements that are gonna come from one of my characters... I'm not gonna say who, but I can say is I've got all my characters end goals figured out.  

 

in a way you can say that When I'm creating characters I make sure i figure out where they start off, and where their journey is gonna end. Aside from the world aspect which is important, characters are probably essential in any story for the reader to connect to, and hopefully I can get my point across with my own original novel... 

 

There is a romance element I'm not gonna lie and say there isn't, but I'd say it's more of a  serious spin on NaruSaku and less on the comedic aspect of it. Think of the moments when Naruto went 4 tails,  when Sakura hugged Naruto after he beat Pain,The CPR Scene ,or even The Promise of a Lifetime...  There won't be any scenes like that in the book, but think of the emotions behind it... That's what I mean. 

 

Though at the moment I'm still working on it, I'm more or less on the final act of the novel.. It's just been tough writing it cause of College, but I know I'll get it done probably towards either the end of November or December for sure... I think the biggest difficulty on my end of things after that is  gonna be editing, and trying to find someone that'll publish it when the time comes. 

 

 

But anyway talking about NS is one thing, but... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fan art wise I think that one's in my top 5. 

 

Nice. You are just like me 

[TheFirstEvil100]

It also doesn't help that most of the major "villains" Naruto faced were merely foils of himself "gone wrong" - Haku, Gaara, Nagato, Obito, etc. and so it just made it that much easier for him to empathize with them (and win via Talk no Jutsu in cases), but whenever it came to others who weren't foils of himself, he really has no problem going after them to destroy them, whether it be the main story, non-canon movies, or fillers - Orochimaru, Deidara, Kakuzu, Madara, Kaguya, etc. Same thing when it comes to helping people - if it involved stuff he didn't really understand, care about, or could imagine himself in the position, Naruto has been shown to be quite rude, a bit of a prick, and so on rather than being eager to help.

Well there are far better villains I mean look a Negan and what he did in season 7 first episode

 

I mean killed Glenn and  Abraham and then was going to force Rick to cut Carl's arm off to me that is a Villain and I wish that I could show this to Kishi and how good Negan is and he has no sob story on how bad his past was, just look.

 

Edited by TheFirstEvil100, 27 October 2016 - 01:05 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Well there are far better villains I mean look a Negan and what he did in season 7 first episode
 

I mean killed Glenn and  Abraham and then was going to force Rick to cut Carl's arm off to me that is a Villain and I wish that I could show this to Kishi and how good Negan is and he has no sob story on how bad his past was,[/size] just look.
 

I can think of other better villains than in naruto like fairy tail, kingdom hearts, final fantasy. The only times I will give the talk no justu is haku, zabauza, neji, garra and nagato and kind of konan. I refuse to believe it worked on obito and Sasuke.

[TheFirstEvil100]

I can think of other better villains than in naruto like fairy tail, kingdom hearts, final fantasy. The only times I will give the talk no justu is haku, zabauza, neji, garra and nagato and kind of konan. I refuse to believe it worked on obito and Sasuke.

True man but what do you think of Negan?

[Frankie]

True man but what do you think of Negan?

That's a villain that I can get behind.

[totherpage95]

https://youtu.be/gobQVmJLVh0

Remember when the anime used to be good

[TheFirstEvil100]

That's a villain that I can get behind.

That is true its why he is so well liked as a Villain as we know he does not kitten around, I mean Kishi could never do anything like this kitten all the things he said a villain evil and you want them to get what is coming to them and not feel sorry for them.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

That is true its why he is so well liked as a Villain as we know he does not kitten around, I mean Kishi could never do anything like this kitten all the things he said a villain evil and you want them to get what is coming to them and not feel sorry for them.

It's why I find myself liking the other Akatsuki members more - Deidara, Sasori, Kakuzu, Hidan, Kisame, and such. They came off as such villains who were largely just evil and even enjoyed it. The only one who got any sort of sympathetic backstory being Sasori (even if not very detailed; his parents being killed in the war by Kakashi's father), but that didn't stop him from being killed in the end (by the puppet-ized bodies of his own parents no less)

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

The Akatsuki saga was the best. 

[TheFirstEvil100]

It's why I find myself liking the other Akatsuki members more - Deidara, Sasori, Kakuzu, Hidan, Kisame, and such. They came off as such villains who were largely just evil and even enjoyed it. The only one who got any sort of sympathetic backstory being Sasori (even if not very detailed; his parents being killed in the war by Kakashi's father), but that didn't stop him from being killed in the end (by the puppet-ized bodies of his own parents no less)

True man which was what mad the early part so good just wish Kishi kept to it is all.

 

oddly I am doing a walking dead/Naruto story for Fanfiction.