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[TheFirstEvil100]

But, that's unjust. They should modify or something.

Well I remember that Akira Toriyama said he would stop doing Dragonball if he couldn't let Goku grow up I think he did work for Shueisha, as they wanted Goku to stay as a kid but Toriyama didn't.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

While writing the current chapter of my novel:

 

 

 

Nice. Is it fanfiction or original?

 

But, that's unjust. They should modify or something.

 

The manga industry is toxic. Granted novelist where I live and good portion of the world don't have the luxury to choose their book cover, named their books and books series. And the way the manuscript is formatted when the get into a novel house publishing like NY Best Times Sellers (because the publisher demands it and author's have no saying by contract) . But publishers almost never interfere with the author's intentions and forced them to do something else against their will like manga editors do to their mangaka. Writers have plenty of freedom over their story, versus mangaka are heavily influenced and under pressure by editors rather they like it or not. And novelist can choose to continue or to discontinue their work whenever they want to unlike the manga industry.

 

And from what my friend told me that he has ties with the manga industry that readers are not so post to know that any mangaka can loose all royalties and rights to their if the manga get cancelled, meaning the manga house and company can have hire many writers and illustrators to continue the work without the owners permission (and the manga don't get paid too). That's why they work themselves to a death like situation. Although I trust my friend but there's no conclusive evidence to suggest that.

 

 

Well I remember that Akira Toriyama said he would stop doing Dragonball if he couldn't let Goku grow up I think he did work for Shueisha, as they wanted Goku to stay as a kid but Toriyama didn't.

 

Even for a guy like that was on the same level as Oda had a hard time ending the DBZ manga because they force him to continue after the Freeza Saga and the Cell Saga. Not easy to get out of it.

[Bail o' Lies]

Here a thing to remember "Akira wanted to end Dragonball after the first arc." His editors kept pushing him to do every arc afterwards. Until they finally let him off after the Buu saga because it was obvious he had run out of idea by that point.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

It's so kittened up.

 

Yeah, and just to justify Naruto being with Hinata just because Kishimoto pitied her, and yet he shows their marriage is as fake as can be. It's SOOOOO kittened up beyond belief it makes me want to cry. ;_;

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Here a thing to remember "Akira wanted to end Dragonball after the first arc." His editors kept pushing him to do every arc afterwards. Until they finally let him off after the Buu saga because it was obvious he had run out of idea by that point.

Yeah, didn't Toriyama intend to have Gohan take over as the lead after Goku's death in the Cell Saga, hence all the hidden power hints ever since the beginning and then finally "fully awakening / controlling them" against Cell, but was forced to keep Goku around?

[Nostradamus]

Yeah, didn't Toriyama intend to have Gohan take over as the lead after Goku's death in the Cell Saga, hence all the hidden power hints ever since the beginning and then finally "fully awakening / controlling them" against Cell, but was forced to keep Goku around?

Yes.

[T XD]

Well I remember that Akira Toriyama said he would stop doing Dragonball if he couldn't let Goku grow up I think he did work for Shueisha, as they wanted Goku to stay as a kid but Toriyama didn't.

It means there's no freedom to the mangaka mostly.

 

 

Nice. Is it fanfiction or original?

 

 

The manga industry is toxic. Granted novelist where I live and good portion of the world don't have the luxury to choose their book cover, named their books and books series. And the way the manuscript is formatted when the get into a novel house publishing like NY Best Times Sellers (because the publisher demands it and author's have no saying by contract) . But publishers almost never interfere with the author's intentions and forced them to do something else against their will like manga editors do to their mangaka. Writers have plenty of freedom over their story, versus mangaka are heavily influenced and under pressure by editors rather they like it or not. And novelist can choose to continue or to discontinue their work whenever they want to unlike the manga industry.

 

And from what my friend told me that he has ties with the manga industry that readers are not so post to know that any mangaka can loose all royalties and rights to their if the manga get cancelled, meaning the manga house and company can have hire many writers and illustrators to continue the work without the owners permission (and the manga don't get paid too). That's why they work themselves to a death like situation. Although I trust my friend but there's no conclusive evidence to suggest that.

 

 

 

Even for a guy like that was on the same level as Oda had a hard time ending the DBZ manga because they force him to continue after the Freeza Saga and the Cell Saga. Not easy to get out of it.

Fictional

 

I just remembered. It was Studio Pierrot that pushed not Shueisha. Remember that link of the person who got the answer from someone s/he knows at the studio ?

Forgot which thread it was in.

Edited by T XD, 22 October 2016 - 11:05 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

It means there's no freedom to the mangaka mostly.

 

Fictional

 

I just remembered. It was Studio Pierrot that pushed not Shueisha. Remember that link of the person who got the answer from someone s/he knows at the studio ?

Forgot which thread it was in.

 

SP did pushed for TL and a NH ending officially. They are just pawns and foot soldiers. They would have never got the green light to do if Shuiesha never bias and interfered with the NS story within and just let Kishi do his own thing instead of forcing NH into the plot from out of the blue. Shuiesha is responsible of dethroning Sakura from the heroine position and give it to Hinata since it was first brought up at the 2010 Jump Festa. They suggested Hinata is more of a suitable heroine than Sakura. That is clear evidence that Shuiesha did pushed for NH because they wanted the Boruto series. Most of the blame goes to SP, that's how sly Shuiesha is. 

[T XD]

 

SP did pushed for TL and a NH ending officially. They are just pawns and foot soldiers. They would have never got the green light to do if Shuiesha never bias and interfered with the NS story within and just let Kishi do his own thing instead of forcing NH into the plot from out of the blue. Shuiesha is responsible of dethroning Sakura from the heroine position and give it to Hinata since it was first brought up at the 2010 Jump Festa. They suggested Hinata is more of a suitable heroine than Sakura. That is clear evidence that Shuiesha did pushed for NH because they wanted the Boruto series. Most of the blame goes to SP, that's how sly Shuiesha is. 

The mangakas should protest. This is unacceptable

[Bail o' Lies]

SP did pushed for TL and a NH ending officially. They are just pawns and foot soldiers. They would have never got the green light to do if Shuiesha never bias and interfered with the NS story within and just let Kishi do his own thing instead of forcing NH into the plot from out of the blue. Shuiesha is responsible of dethroning Sakura from the heroine position and give it to Hinata since it was first brought up at the 2010 Jump Festa. They suggested Hinata is more of a suitable heroine than Sakura. That is clear evidence that Shuiesha did pushed for NH because they wanted the Boruto series. Most of the blame goes to SP, that's how sly Shuiesha is. 

Basically from what we know, the editors after yahagi wanted nH and convinced the executives that it would be more profitable then NS. After they got approval from them. They were basically allowed to bully kishimoto into accepting nH.

 

The mangakas should protest. This is unacceptable

Well kishimoto was able to fight for his manga and manage to get the other mangaka to support him. Its just the years of bullying wore him down until he finally accepted. Now this is backfiring on them because no one likes the ending, and it's staying afloat only because of its past success. And they can't get kishimoto to do anything about it because he doesn't give a kitten anymore about Naruto because of what they did.  

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 22 October 2016 - 05:41 PM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Basically from what we know, the editors after yahagi wanted nH and convinced the executives that it would be more profitable then NS. After they got approval from them. They were basically allowed to bully kishimoto into accepting nH.

 

Well kishimoto was able to fight for his manga and manage to get the other mangaka to support him. Its just the years of bullying wore him down until he finally accepted. Now this is backfiring on them because no one likes the ending, and it's staying afloat only because of its past success. And they can't get kishimoto to do anything about it because he doesn't give a kitten anymore about Naruto because of what they did.  

 

You can tell by the look on Kishi's face that he's full of guilt and regret for for disrespecting the fans (and perhaps giving up) that have been supporting him for 15 years, because he sold himself out on the staged interviewes.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Yeah, didn't Toriyama intend to have Gohan take over as the lead after Goku's death in the Cell Saga, hence all the hidden power hints ever since the beginning and then finally "fully awakening / controlling them" against Cell, but was forced to keep Goku around?

Yeah he did try but fans didn't like that idea all that much so he switched back to Goku, that is as far as I know man, I know he wanted him to beat Buu.

 

But I think many need to look at the DBZ youtubers as they will have all the information you need on not just when he wanted to end it but what he wanted to do with Gohan as well.

[Bail o' Lies]

You can tell by the look on Kishi's face that he's full of guilt and regret for for disrespecting the fans (and perhaps giving up) that have been supporting him for 15 years, because he sold himself out on the staged interviewes.

Kishimoto may not have liked the ending but he did accept it at first. Since part of the editors' bullying was to convincing him to no one liked Sakura and the fanbase wanted Hinata to be the heroine by a vast majority. Which is why he a trying to justify the ending in the interviews before The Last. Since he was convince that even if it wasn't where the story was logically suppose to go, it was what the fans that have supported him for over 15 years wanted. Then once the last hits the theaters both in Japan and abroad, and they got to see how "successful" the movie was amongst the fanbase. As well as how sales quickly declined. Once that happened the spin of the fans only cared about "Hinata, Hinata, Hinata" fall apart very quickly.

 

After that his interviews and comments vary from justifying the decision and bitterness of it after effects (among other things). Till he is at is current mood acceptance and indifference towards Naruto. Like most of us this point. He helping with bolt and having his name attach to it one) probably because Shueisha is forcing him to and two) to support his old assistant. But he clearly wants to be gone as soon as he can, so he can work on his next project.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 25 October 2016 - 07:21 AM.

[T XD]

If his next project has the hero and heroine like Naruto and Sakura then I'll follow his new manga at first.

 

If that how he will make the main characters, I think he wants to correct the mistakes he, more or less, did in his previous series concerning everything he, more or less, didn't do for Naruto and Sakura.

He won't do the same kind of characters for nothing and have the same mistakes done again.

His next assistant was a good one with him in the golden age of Naruto also.

 

I'll see the first few chapters of his next project then decide.

Edited by T XD, 24 October 2016 - 09:12 AM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

I think that Kishi shall still kitten it up I mean Kishi just suck at doing stories and villains as he tries to make us feel sorry for them, I mean he did this with the Uchiha and will do it in his new manga as well.

 

In another note I just watched season 7 of the walking dead, and all I can say is Damn I am in tears right now guys this is how not only do you make a villain but a death that hits hard as well, this is something Naruto failed at in the end true some deaths hurt but with Walking dead and even LOST the deaths hit you hard.

[LuckyChi7]

If his next project has the hero and heroine like Naruto and Sakura then I'll follow his new manga at first.
 
If that how he will make the main characters, I think he wants to correct the mistakes he, more or less, did in his previous series concerning everything he, more or less, didn't do for Naruto and Sakura.
He won't do the same kind of characters for nothing and have the same mistakes done again.
His next assistant was a good one with him in the golden age of Naruto also.
 
I'll see the first few chapters of his next project then decide.

I agree a few chapters wouldn't hurt to see the direction it goes in. Did they say whether or not his next work is gonna be with Shounen jump?

[T XD]

I agree a few chapters wouldn't hurt to see the direction it goes in. Did they say whether or not his next work is gonna be with Shounen jump?

I don't know. But, I know that his assistant is going to be Hajirama or something. The one who was with him till Pein Arc. I always forget his name XD

Edited by T XD, 24 October 2016 - 04:46 PM.

[milan kyuubi]

I think that Kishi shall still kitten it up I mean Kishi just suck at doing stories and villains as he tries to make us feel sorry for them, I mean he did this with the Uchiha and will do it in his new manga as well.

 

In another note I just watched season 7 of the walking dead, and all I can say is Damn I am in tears right now guys this is how not only do you make a villain but a death that hits hard as well, this is something Naruto failed at in the end true some deaths hurt but with Walking dead and even LOST the deaths hit you hard.

 

You bring an interesting point. If Naruto and co were in the same situation. Say part 1/earlier part 2 before the kitten. What would have happened. Would Kishi actually have balls to make Naruto go rage on with Kuramas chakra (or even without Kurama) ripping them apart with bare hands? Or tnj?

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

You bring an interesting point. If Naruto and co were in the same situation. Say part 1/earlier part 2 before the kitten. What would have happened. Would Kishi actually have balls to make Naruto go rage on with Kuramas chakra (or even without Kurama) ripping them apart with bare hands? Or tnj?

I know and it all depends on who would be killed and what they guy would do to Naruto I mean Negan broke Rick badly and pushed him to his limits as well and me I would want the guy to do the same to Naruto push him and break him as well.

 

I mean maybe kill two of his friends and then have him force Naruto to cut of one of his friends lims.

 

But I have to ask what do you think he would do and what Negan type of guy should do to push Naruto down?

[catsi563]

For something like that they shoudlve used Sasuke quite frankly.

 

the point of Sasuke after he left shouldve been to question Narutos beliefs and make Naruto question his own motives. that was part of the Sasuke problem. it took itachi many episodes/chapters later to partly clarify and to question Narutos commitment.

 

Something like Sasuke questioning Naruto about what if he--sasuke--killed Sakura, even going do far as to mention Narutos love for sakura and if Naruto would be willing to sacrifice Sakura to keep his promise. Even subtly threatening to kill her himself if that's what it took to make Naruto see.

 

the type of questions Naruto needed to be asked were what itachi was asking him. what are you willing to sacrifice, who are you willing to kill or let die to keep this promise?