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#23021 Iwantbuns

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 04:15 AM

@NaruSaku4Life3g:

 

NaruSaku has many things above SS. Their moments are more mutual, there's mutual selflessness, they've developed and changed so much, there's just too many things to name. SasuSaku will never compete with NaruSaku and NS will still be endgame. I'm not saying at all their moments aren't meaningful. They are very meaningful and impactful, just in different ways. I wouldn't change any of that.

 

It's more like ... SasuSaku, despite my absolute hatred of the couple, had some very heart-breaking and emotional moments that NaruSaku never really had. I don't want NaruSaku angsty or negative, but certain things about how hard Kishi made Sakura's feelings for Sasuke stand out and not do the same thing with Naruto just irks me as a shipper, now even more so because I know NaruSaku will be canon.

 

Like, for example, Sakura's confession to Sasuke. Kishi went all out on the confession it's ridiculous and it's not even the end pair. Screw Sasuke's lack of reciprocation, screw Sakura's lack of reason for loving Sasuke, screw the angst and Sakura depression, I want none of that for NaruSaku. It's just ... there is just one thing that's really emotional in that scene that pisses me off muchly when the series moves forward and that is this line:

 

Sakura: "You told me once the pain solitude brings ... I understand that pain. I have family and friends, but without you, Sasuke ... it's as bad as being alone."  

 

Now this line always bothered me anyways because I didn't understand why Sakura felt this strongly when Sasuke did little for her and Naruto did a lot, but what irritates me now is that Kishimoto wrote Sakura saying such a desperate and impactful line to Sasuke, making it seem like she will never get over him, but NaruSaku will be canon in the end. That type of line seemed more fitting for NaruSaku since Naruto's the one who will be her true love but Sakura just throws that on Sasuke. Wouldn't that make more sense if Sakura said that to Naruto at some point, especially with all their development in Part 2, just minus the angst and desperation?

 

Sakura doesn't even have to say that to Naruto either, but the problem is she said that to Sasuke when he's not even her true love and SS will always have the line while NS, the actual end pairing, never will (and I don't want it to tbh: the fact he used that on SS already ruined it for him to ever dish that on NS).

 

I just don't get why Kishimoto was so determined to make Sakura portrayed as if she'd die without Sasuke when moments like that, if done at all, should be more reserved for the canon pair. Maybe Sakura was desperate or delusional and maybe it wasn't with basis, but it still happened. Kishimoto really pushed himself way too far with that confession. It's seriously no wonder SS fans still cling to that like their life depends on it and then compare it to Sakura's confession to Naruto just to talk crap, completely misinterpreting it because Kishi screwed up.

 

Does anyone get what I'm saying? I hate SS and love NaruSaku just the way it is, but that won't stop me from feeling Kishimoto pushed Sakura's feelings for Sasuke a little too hard in the past and now people are always going to measure it to NaruSaku, saying how much more 'deeper' and 'feeling' Sakura's love for Sasuke was. They're wrong of course, but that line in Sakura's confession to Sasuke was still too much.

 

The "heartbreaking and emotional" moments were from Sakura's side only. The fact that Sakura's love for Sasuke stood out like that, proves how much it wasn't real. She was 12 when she said that, and she's almost 100% sure it's love? That's complete bull. Naruto and Sakura have experienced pain together. Mostly due to Sasuke, ironically...

 

That confession was just plain selfish. That line showed how much she didn't understand Sasuke's pain at all. She was only thinking of herself, it didn't matter what Sasuke felt at all. With her confession to Naruto, she actually takes into consideration his feelings. She wanted him to be happy, it didn't matter whether or not she would be happy. It was all for him. That's why I found it much more sincere.

 

That desperation Sakura had, was just desperation. I don't think I would ever want Sakura to use that line for Naruto, out of desperation of needing him. Because that would just, in turn become selfish on her part, all over again. NaruSaku is special because of, like you said, mutual selflessness. When they do things for each other, they really do things for each other. They want each other to be happy, even if it doesn't benefit them.

 

And something bothers me about this... I don't think it's right for you to be 100% sure that NaruSaku will be endgame. Naruto and Sakura still have plenty issues to sort out... but at the end of the day, I'm certain they won't stop loving and caring for each other, because they always stand strong together. Their similar determination is what keeps them going, and they won't stop for nothing.

 

I believe SasuSaku has been dead since the beginning of the show. However NaruHina still has a flying chance, because Naruto actually acknowledges Hinata, and their relationship hasn't hit any rocks as of yet. (However I believe their relationship is practically nonexistant, and needs actual, out of the war interaction. Even then it seems like a pretty unbalanced pairing to me..)

 

You can never be sure if a pairing will absolutely happen at the end, so don't put your hopes up too high.


Edited by Iwantbuns, 04 July 2014 - 04:15 AM.

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Why do people NOT ship these two? I just don't get it.

Probably cause they hate Sakura. When she's probably the most developed female character in the whole show.

I respect Hinata, but Sakura deserves some too.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 04:19 AM

No, it was from an interview a long time ago.

 

Do you still have the source?



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Posted 04 July 2014 - 04:24 AM

Akame ga kill is about to take over attack on titan. I'm calling it.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 04:28 AM

Akame ga kill is about to take over attack on titan. I'm calling it.

What's going on?

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 04:29 AM

 

Do you still have the source?

No. I lost alot of sources over the years, but from what I can tell from this forum, sources don't really mean much anyway. I shows sources of Kishimoto saying Sakura was telling the truth, but people don't believe it much.

 


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 04:33 AM

What's going on?

One of my fav manga.

 


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 04:34 AM

A small joke, but azurewaters, you seem to appear when SS is being threatened. Lol.

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 04:45 AM

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True. That's what SS fans never get. Sakura's whole confession to Sasuke, while it may have pulled at their heart strings and got them all worked up, was the product of Sakura's childish desires and, as you said, showed just how little she truly understood Sasuke. I still remember how shocked and even appalled by how Sakura likened to her being without Sasuke to Sasuke's loneliness which was very brazen and arrogant on her. Not only did it turn out wrong anyway (Sakura seems pretty happy with Naruto), but she was literally comparing the departure of a boy she never had basis for loving or even understood to Sasuke losing his entire family. That was just unbelievably ignorant and selfish of her.

 

And there was the fact that Sakura made it seem like everything Naruto did for her meant nothing and was willing to leave with Sasuke, forgetting Naruto, her parents, her friends, everyone.  SasuSaku's always been about selfishness, from both sides, and that's why I admire NaruSaku's selflessness so much.

 

I would also never want Sakura to use that line on Naruto in desperation like she did, trying to make Sasuke feel guilty it seemed. I meant if it was normal line with no angst, desperation or depression; just sweet and happy. I know that would probably mean a lot to Naruto if he believed it. But I'm not even saying that line should've happened or I want to happen. I just stand by the fact Kishimoto should never had passed that line if NS was the endgame and that's because it's filled with too much magnitude and importance, pure desperation or not. It'll mix up the fans who cling to that confession and say Sakura will never love Naruto as much as Sasuke and it just causes confusion.

 

NaruSaku is very special and I never want it to be like SS. But what she said to Sasuke was still too much. It can give the wrong messages to the audience. If Kishi wanted to do a line like that, it'd be better suited for the canon pair. Or at least with a reflection of Sakura remembering what she said and realizing it was wrong when she figures out her feelings for Naruto. I know Kishi needed help writing that confession, but the fact is everything about it just screams trying too hard, both in Sakura's behavior and the fact that they even decided to write her like that.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 04:46 AM

A small joke, but azurewaters, you seem to appear when SS is being threatened. Lol.

I'm always lurking. I do post randomly. I also like to keep an eye out for any news on oppossing ships, since it can indirectly effect NaruSaku. 



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Posted 04 July 2014 - 05:44 AM

I talked to Kate Higgins over email and am dissapointed to learn that she is an SS supporter



After all that she's seen why would she support that? There's also something I don't like about the tone of her voice either,she also stated Sasuke is her favorite character despite him being a jerk.

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 05:52 AM

@Iwantbuns:

 

True. That's what SS fans never get. Sakura's whole confession to Sasuke, while it may have pulled at their heart strings and got them all worked up, was the product of Sakura's childish desires and, as you said, showed just how little she truly understood Sasuke. I still remember how shocked and even appalled by how Sakura likened to her being without Sasuke to Sasuke's loneliness which was very brazen and arrogant on her. Not only did it turn out wrong anyway (Sakura seems pretty happy with Naruto), but she was literally comparing the departure of a boy she never had basis for loving or even understood to Sasuke losing his entire family. That was just unbelievably ignorant and selfish of her.

 

And there was the fact that Sakura made it seem like everything Naruto did for her meant nothing and was willing to leave with Sasuke, forgetting Naruto, her parents, her friends, everyone.  SasuSaku's always been about selfishness, from both sides, and that's why I admire NaruSaku's selflessness so much.

 

I would also never want Sakura to use that line on Naruto in desperation like she did, trying to make Sasuke feel guilty it seemed. I meant if it was normal line with no angst, desperation or depression; just sweet and happy. I know that would probably mean a lot to Naruto if he believed it. But I'm not even saying that line should've happened or I want to happen. I just stand by the fact Kishimoto should never had passed that line if NS was the endgame and that's because it's filled with too much magnitude and importance, pure desperation or not. It'll mix up the fans who cling to that confession and say Sakura will never love Naruto as much as Sasuke and it just causes confusion.

 

NaruSaku is very special and I never want it to be like SS. But what she said to Sasuke was still too much. It can give the wrong messages to the audience. If Kishi wanted to do a line like that, it'd be better suited for the canon pair. Or at least with a reflection of Sakura remembering what she said and realizing it was wrong when she figures out her feelings for Naruto. I know Kishi needed help writing that confession, but the fact is everything about it just screams trying too hard, both in Sakura's behavior and the fact that they even decided to write her like that.

 

Sasuke totally blinds her from everything. Sakura desperately wants to believe that she has been close enough him, to understand him and what he goes through. But throughout the entire series this just isn't true, and can't be true. Sakura wanted to break down those walls that Sasuke had, but her "love" for him wasn't strong enough for that to happen. Sasuke doesn't like her, and he would never let her in. He cares for her, but he doesn't appreciate the clinginess. He knows that she loves him, but he's completely indifferent to it. Because her love for him doesn't affect him, not one bit.

 

And you have to remember that in Part 1, she didn't have any feelings for Naruto. She warmed up to him, yes, but it didn't go any further than that. In Part 1, Sasuke > Naruto to Sakura. Sakura was choosing to leave a lot of people by making that decision. Naruto is of same importance as everyone else she was planning on leaving. NaruSaku started becoming a more selfless and caring thing in Part 2. Naruto and Sakura really started to grow in a romantic way in Part 2. In Part 1, it's completely onesided, because Sakura was absolutely sure of her feelings for Sasuke. In Part 2 it's onesided, but not completely, because her feelings are restrained, and hard to keep up with. She can barely trust him, and he's gone farther away from her, then he already was.

 

I think in a way that line could be used toward Naruto I guess, but even though Sakura understands Naruto's pain better than Sasuke's (because Naruto actually lets her in), doesn't mean she reeally understands it. She'll never be able to understand the pain Naruto went through, but that won't stop her from feeling for him, and caring deeply about his burdens, and what he went through. When Sakura compared Sasuke's entire family's death to the loneliness she would feel if Sasuke wasn't there, it showed how much she didn't understand, while at the same time showed how careless she was about the issue - she didn't even think of how those words would affect Sasuke.

 

When it comes to Naruto's pain, in Part 2, she really genuinely feels for him. That kind of care could never compare to the forced care she put on Sasuke. I don't see how Sakura's confession to Sasuke would make SS a possible end pairing. It doesn't make sense - on both sides. It has importance, yes, because it shows how much Sakura lets Sasuke affect her life. But if Sakura doesn't affect Sasuke's life (which she doesn't, not by a lot that is), then how is this pairing possible? If Sakura constantly feels miserable at the thought of Sasuke, how does that make her love for him strong? The fans can believe what they want to believe, but they obviously don't know how love works. It has to work on both sides, and for SasuSaku that's barely the case on both sides.

 

*sigh* You know what you can believe whatever you wanna believe... Seriously though, when I first watched that confession scene (before I was into all the pairing s**t), I literally had the most straightest face on. I was just like "Wow Sakura really..." and my brother was all like "And now Sasuke will kiss her ;3" and I was extremely disgusted XD Sorry that was off-topic lol

 

So yeah, I basically don't feel like that confession was very impactful, like you think it was. I'm glad it was actually done on Sakura to Sasuke though, because I personally don't feel like this particular confession is suited for the end pair.


Edited by Iwantbuns, 04 July 2014 - 09:58 PM.

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Why do people NOT ship these two? I just don't get it.

Probably cause they hate Sakura. When she's probably the most developed female character in the whole show.

I respect Hinata, but Sakura deserves some too.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 06:03 AM

After all that she's seen why would she support that? There's also something I don't like about the tone of her voice either,she also stated Sasuke is her favorite character despite him being a jerk.

I believe she also made a music video at one point with her dressed as Part 1 Sakura singing a love song to Sasuke, the video is apparently private though you can see a couple pics on it on her twitter. 


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 07:14 AM

I believe she also made a music video at one point with her dressed as Part 1 Sakura singing a love song to Sasuke, the video is apparently private though you can see a couple pics on it on her twitter.




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Posted 04 July 2014 - 12:43 PM

College keeps getting in the way of keepin up with this forum....... Dayum  :ermm:  :pinch:


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 01:09 PM

College keeps getting in the way of keepin up with this forum....... Dayum  :ermm:  :pinch:

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 01:27 PM

My 2nd year just started this monday....... let me tell you getting a Bachelor's degree in Electrical and electronic engineering is gonna be a pain  :P My subjects are crazy  :wot:  :argh:


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 01:47 PM

My 2nd year just started this monday....... let me tell you getting a Bachelor's degree in Electrical and electronic engineering is gonna be a pain  :P My subjects are crazy  :wot:  :argh:

I am lucky that I am one year junior to you XD. You are well aware of the mess in our country XD. All thanks to that, that my college will be starting in September XD

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 01:56 PM

September huh ??

Most of colleges here in Tamil Nadu is starting in August....... My brain is still hurting from all the circuit diagrams i have to remember this year....... :sweatdrop:  :sweatdrop:


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 02:09 PM

September huh ??
Most of colleges here in Tamil Nadu is starting in August....... My brain is still hurting from all the circuit diagrams i have to remember this year....... :sweatdrop:  :sweatdrop:

BEE is a total head ache!!

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 02:50 PM

So when do you guys think the process of Sakura falling out of love for Sasuke started?


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