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#23001 Syn11

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 12:38 AM

Im' kind of a litle tired since it's already late night.
The romance subplot is not good either, and to explain the foundation of SS, NH and other pairing which also includes NS are not good either but then you have parallels around it, making parallels of a story that is not good you end up ruining it even further.

 

I'm between night and morning too, so I'm not particularly keen on explaining my thoughts thoroughly.

Kishimoto doesn't care about any romance subplot that much (I've already stated that). He fusses over the nature of bonds... in general. It's not that difficult to grasp, isn't it? And those bonds are something that every generation inherits and that is reflected through the parallels. If you're interested, go google the conception behind reincarnation and karma.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 12:48 AM

Ok, back. Time to hit the desk and type the crap out of it. Maybe I can try shorten. Maybe...



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Posted 04 July 2014 - 01:05 AM

I talked to Kate Higgins over email and am dissapointed to learn that she is an SS supporter


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 01:31 AM

it's mostly because Kishimoto keeps repeating the same brand, i think his manga ruined the concept of bromance, what Naruto has is something extremely pathetic and unjustifiable, i understand the nakama thing but the extent of the things Naruto did because of this said friendship is ridiculous.
About the whole romance thing, if you notice all the relationships are related to one another the difference is that they have slight changes.
Kishimoto doesnt try to keep the romance something unique, he ruined it by the intense use of parallels and the lack of originality within the plot, example MinaKushi/ObiRin/JiraTsu being a ripoffs of NaruSaku.

I mostly agree with this. The parallelisms is more of an opinion thing, but you can make that assumption about all of it, not jsut romance. I could say that the only reason why Naruto and Sasuke are friends is because they are parallelled with other people in the manga of friendships like obito and Kakashi; orochimaru and Jiraiya. Maybe even the brotherly-love aspect of it too between Hashirama and Madara and Ashura and Indra. In fact, definitly paralleled there.

I do agree with you on this manga ruining the bromance type of thing where it just overkilled it and the things Naruto did for a friendship that really had no concrete ground to stand on in the first place. The parallels don't really kill it so much as all the emphasis on these topics constantly being shoved in our faces all the time. The parallels at least have premise where it makes since more often than not, but not the friendships.

Of course, the only real friendship that is wrong or off is the one between Naruto and Sasuke. It's just not writtern so well and I don't believe in it because of how forced some things are. There is no real strong reason why Naruto and Sasuke should be great friends or even brothers.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 01:37 AM

Unfortunately, Kishimoto is not proficient when it comes to romance. Minato and Kushina's love story (told in a flash) must be his ceiling, I'm afraid. He's much better at depicting bromance. Even NaruSaku relationship most of the times can be taken as a devoted friendship instead of anything else. In other words, romance in this manga is totally eclipsed by friendship and other types of bonds (family, master-student, and comrade ties, for example). So I wouldn't hope for a purely romantic NS moment. It seems, those rare private moments between the two will be always loaded with some other bonds and feelings. That's how Kishimoto operates.      

Well that's very discouraging.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 01:40 AM

I talked to Kate Higgins over email and am dissapointed to learn that she is an SS supporter

Chie Nakamura hates SasuSaku with a passion and finds that coupling annoying. Didn't say anything really big about NS except that she prefered it over SS.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 01:45 AM

Unpopular opinion but I like the pairing throwing a different curve rather than the usual stuff. I always feel like I'm seeing an old disney movies versus the new age where developments are required. That or Enchanted is the best way to see how it make fun of its former self. Same with Shrek, somewhat. Anyway, I don't see anything that made said otherwise. First of all, this is shounen, supposedly targeting one criteria, but the idea that this series does reflect other stuff isn't that easy. In fact, at times, when they have to reflect other parts, they do it more quickly and more straightforward to say, "See, romance. Moving on." We do have shounen that is actually straight up fighting or whatever they are targeting on and focus on it to the end. Like if it's fighting, we will get nothing but that. We get story, at times, but that's not still covering criteria that hasn't been tackled. It's like "We took care of that. Who's next to beat up." One Piece is smart enough to always have a different island and story within to make it seem fresh or so it seems.

 

So now, let's get to Naruto. First of all, we already have a set focus: bonds. The main one will be the bromance since one is in the road of darkness or whatever. But would that stop him doing other aspects? No. The problem is that people takes a chapter or perhaps an arc as something that feels like it's worth 680 chapters. Why you think I'm like scratching my head thinking, "What did I miss?" What's more ironic is that when it comes to other way around, you take it as the amount of time that took place. So what's going on. I have no idea. I can understand you guys reaction, but things tend to be taken tenfold, which makes me puzzled on what's up. In fact, the one fun aspect of tumblr is to see different outlook from my followers or the ones that I'm following. I feel like I have to step in to understand all sides of it. Some have a hard time understanding or maybe because one doesn't see it that way. Why you think I joked, "I sound like a teacher." Anyway, the point is just because you are witnessing what's now doesn't mean other won't cover. We are talking about a guy who wants all tiny holes to be filled, even if we say, "It's ok, we don't need to know."

 

Now, NaruSaku. First off, remember part 1 was about building the friendship between Naruto and Sakura. How many times have you seen, "A new character being introduced. Instant friend?" A lot. While you got to dwell on it, the payoff, if the overall is truly what it is, will be great. Why do it in the first place, the whole "detested" character. Remember, it's not the fact of fighting a lot or whatever, it's the personality. How the heck you redeem your old self by fighting and still be an kitten to Naruto. That makes no sense. Anyway, if you noticed, the whole part 1 got you witnessing the change of the relationship. Also, if you noticed, it's all good moments, nothing like, "He's kyuubi!" or "He's being hunted down!" or nothing like that. Why? Because like SN, NS gets through the good aspects before meeting the harsh reality and bumpy ride. So to reflect back to RomanceGirl, I have to disagree.

 

First of all, part 2 is the beginning of where Sakura witness the worst of Naruto in all aspects. There was a best of time, there was a worst of time. Of course, she continues to see good aspects of Naruto, but the bad start to kick in, beginning with Jinchuuriki, who's hunting him, his inner feeling of how he sees other treating him, Gaara, and all other Jinchuuriki who is seen as a weapon. Now with SS, it's always been the bad side and it's really made to be a standby development but not for SS, but for SN. Ask yourself, why didn't Sakura witness the worst of Sasuke as in shouting out his lost of family, his inner feeling with Naruto being his best friend, and so on. Not even curse seal 2 she got to witness. Just for the record, it's been building up since the beginning, because Sasuke was always in thought that Naruto could be stronger than Sasuke, such as couldn't beat Haku but Naruto did. It only builds up and the whole forest scene is that Sasuke didn't want Naruto to know. Why? Because Naruto is still developing bondage with Sasuke, so no flow is ruined. It's ruined when Sasuke finally exploded and challenged Naruto to a fight at a hospital no less. Why you think Kishi held that off with Sakura knowing about Sasuke's problem? Just to tell Naruto everything in a nutshell and pretty much tell him that Sasuke could be actually a bad person. Why you think Kabuto or was it Orochimaru, only said that Naruto is keeping Sasuke at bay from thinking about revenge. Because it's more of them than SS.

 

Lastly, I don't know who, but one person here mentioned that the reason why we got that hospital scene with Naruto witnessing it is because SS stuff is being used for other things, not within. You know, that's true. Naruto was shown to be matured, Naruto was tallying up to show that expression at the promise of the lifetime scene (fake smile), and Sasuke got no followup to it but a smack to the apple just because he is feeling weaker than Naruto. To put it short, it takes to tango and Sakura is only there with no one to assist. You can even argue all the moments that is SS is pretty much null in void. Here's a question: why is it that the confession only reflects Team 7? Why Sasuke wouldn't tell her his sorrow of his family? Why wouldn't Sasuke tell her anything outside of Team 7. Here's the thing, the two things that SS went through is the pending of Sasuke turning heel (curse seal and Orochimaru's words) and Team 7. Do I really have to go over NS? Seriously. Even the moments don't really boost SS, it boost other moments. It's like if Naruto was hugged by Sakura, we see Hinata shocked and walk away as one sees her and foreshadow that there will be something that she has to go through. In other words, whenever the moments seem to be their, it's not made for them, it's made for something else.

 

As for NS moments...I'm going to be honest with you, I am done writing but good god, I can write so much on this. Let me know if you want me to. I may do it tomorrow. Perhaps I should open skype to speak to anyone here. I'll see.



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Posted 04 July 2014 - 01:54 AM

Chie Nakamura hates SasuSaku with a passion and finds that coupling annoying. Didn't say anything really big about NS except that she prefered it over SS.

That makes feel better :)


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 02:25 AM

it's mostly because Kishimoto keeps repeating the same brand, i think his manga ruined the concept of bromance, what Naruto has is something extremely pathetic and unjustifiable, i understand the nakama thing but the extent of the things Naruto did because of this said friendship is ridiculous.
About the whole romance thing, if you notice all the relationships are related to one another the difference is that they have slight changes.
Kishimoto doesnt try to keep the romance something unique, he ruined it by the intense use of parallels and the lack of originality within the plot, example MinaKushi/ObiRin/JiraTsu being a ripoffs of NaruSaku.

You know, I would have no problem with the overly exaggerated brotherly love nonsense if it was done right.

What Naruto has done and he still does is not really pathetic, it's actually admirable.

The problem is Naruto has absolutely no reason to do the things he's doing.

He's chasing after something that was never there to beginning with.

It's always the same crap. Naruto goes "Oh My God Sasuke you are my best friend, you're everything to me, You and I are going to die together, that's how amazing our relationship is." and Sasuke goes "I don't even know you man. kitten off."

 

That's what makes the situation pathetic.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 02:27 AM

That makes feel better :)


You're welcome.

@NaruSaku4life3g.

After my eyes stopped bleeding after reading that, I have a response. I somehwat agree with you about things being different and such, but at the same time different only works if it is written well and well, let's be honest some of the stuff is just not that good. Yeah some of it is okay and it is thrilling when it happens, but other stuff is just so painful to read. Not painful as in like "I am sad cause my OTP won't happen," but rather painful as in "Ugggggh....we are talking about this again?"

It's just kind of to the point that I want it to be resolved already cause it is straining on me. Admittedly, yes it is probably because of how much I hate Sasuke and really he is the only reason why NS isn't canon by now. Naruto and Sakura are too busy worrying about Sasuke to really focus on anything else in their lives. Even if Sakura doesn't love him anymore, it's still keeps from doing some stuff. Naruto as well.

Naruto even admits this when he says stuff like "How can I [tell her how I feel] when I can't even keep my promises?"


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 02:29 AM

This is all pretty much happening because Sasuke had to go and tell Naruto he was technically his closest friend, now Naruto is all talking about double suicide with him and Sasuke's all confused and a little creeped out.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 02:41 AM


You're welcome.

@NaruSaku4life3g.

After my eyes stopped bleeding after reading that, I have a response. I somehwat agree with you about things being different and such, but at the same time different only works if it is written well and well, let's be honest some of the stuff is just not that good. Yeah some of it is okay and it is thrilling when it happens, but other stuff is just so painful to read. Not painful as in like "I am sad cause my OTP won't happen," but rather painful as in "Ugggggh....we are talking about this again?"

It's just kind of to the point that I want it to be resolved already cause it is straining on me. Admittedly, yes it is probably because of how much I hate Sasuke and really he is the only reason why NS isn't canon by now. Naruto and Sakura are too busy worrying about Sasuke to really focus on anything else in their lives. Even if Sakura doesn't love him anymore, it's still keeps from doing some stuff. Naruto as well.

Naruto even admits this when he says stuff like "How can I [tell her how I feel] when I can't even keep my promises?"

To your last point, to be fair, it's more about the promise than the idea of what's in it. Know what I mean. Obviously, Kishi made an obvious parallel to Obito with his promise. It's not about what's in the promise, it's the foundation that you just made. So, I don't dwell on it from my hatred of a character or anything else. I feel like if you have one strong feeling (good or hate), you will get carried away and think overly tenfold of a time. That's why in podcast I tend to let the flow go because it's your opinion, I respect that, but I feel like I can fight back as long as I can. But again, this is about all of us discussing not just us. We're pretty much the last level of Phoenix Wright, we can go as long as we want to win.

You know what's funny. When the conclusion arrives, the whole overall will be clear and perhaps give us the better understanding, to the point if anime remakes it, everything will be different like so much removal of other pairing being a good chance of becoming canon. It's like "Oh! That's what you're doing!" Same with us, like if we found out that Sakura did in fact stop loving Sasuke back in part 1, we would look so much differently and say, "Oh, so it was for Team 7 purpose." However, Kishi has to make it clear for many, before we go, "So when did that happen???" But that's why I wait to the end for the right idea. Arc in this case, I mean we are still in the same one, right? Damn...

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 02:45 AM

I think it would be kind of funny if chapter 3 is revisited in a....different way.

 

Like if its Sasuke there and Sakura is under the impression that its Naruto transformed as Sasuke to get her attention and Naruto comically walks in on her kissing the wrong guy.

 

It would be incredibly awkward and would require some OOC stuff.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 03:18 AM

@NaruSaku4Life3g:

 

NaruSaku has many things above SS. Their moments are more mutual, there's mutual selflessness, they've developed and changed so much, there's just too many things to name. SasuSaku will never compete with NaruSaku and NS will still be endgame. I'm not saying at all their moments aren't meaningful. They are very meaningful and impactful, just in different ways. I wouldn't change any of that.

 

It's more like ... SasuSaku, despite my absolute hatred of the couple, had some very heart-breaking and emotional moments that NaruSaku never really had. I don't want NaruSaku angsty or negative, but certain things about how hard Kishi made Sakura's feelings for Sasuke stand out and not do the same thing with Naruto just irks me as a shipper, now even more so because I know NaruSaku will be canon.

 

Like, for example, Sakura's confession to Sasuke. Kishi went all out on the confession it's ridiculous and it's not even the end pair. Screw Sasuke's lack of reciprocation, screw Sakura's lack of reason for loving Sasuke, screw the angst and Sakura depression, I want none of that for NaruSaku. It's just ... there is just one thing that's really emotional in that scene that pisses me off muchly when the series moves forward and that is this line:

 

Sakura: "You told me once the pain solitude brings ... I understand that pain. I have family and friends, but without you, Sasuke ... it's as bad as being alone."  

 

Now this line always bothered me anyways because I didn't understand why Sakura felt this strongly when Sasuke did little for her and Naruto did a lot, but what irritates me now is that Kishimoto wrote Sakura saying such a desperate and impactful line to Sasuke, making it seem like she will never get over him, but NaruSaku will be canon in the end. That type of line seemed more fitting for NaruSaku since Naruto's the one who will be her true love but Sakura just throws that on Sasuke. Wouldn't that make more sense if Sakura said that to Naruto at some point, especially with all their development in Part 2, just minus the angst and desperation?

 

Sakura doesn't even have to say that to Naruto either, but the problem is she said that to Sasuke when he's not even her true love and SS will always have the line while NS, the actual end pairing, never will (and I don't want it to tbh: the fact he used that on SS already ruined it for him to ever dish that on NS).

 

I just don't get why Kishimoto was so determined to make Sakura portrayed as if she'd die without Sasuke when moments like that, if done at all, should be more reserved for the canon pair. Maybe Sakura was desperate or delusional and maybe it wasn't with basis, but it still happened. Kishimoto really pushed himself way too far with that confession. It's seriously no wonder SS fans still cling to that like their life depends on it and then compare it to Sakura's confession to Naruto just to talk crap, completely misinterpreting it because Kishi screwed up.

 

Does anyone get what I'm saying? I hate SS and love NaruSaku just the way it is, but that won't stop me from feeling Kishimoto pushed Sakura's feelings for Sasuke a little too hard in the past and now people are always going to measure it to NaruSaku, saying how much more 'deeper' and 'feeling' Sakura's love for Sasuke was. They're wrong of course, but that line in Sakura's confession to Sasuke was still too much.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 03:21 AM

Some bonds in Naruto in incredibly Un-realistic tbh. I mean Naruto is brushing off everything THESE Criminals did. I mean obito took his parents away from him and Sasuke tried to kill the girl I like and he brushes it off like it never happened. I swear.......



 


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 03:30 AM

To your last point, to be fair, it's more about the promise than the idea of what's in it. Know what I mean. Obviously, Kishi made an obvious parallel to Obito with his promise. It's not about what's in the promise, it's the foundation that you just made. So, I don't dwell on it from my hatred of a character or anything else. I feel like if you have one strong feeling (good or hate), you will get carried away and think overly tenfold of a time. That's why in podcast I tend to let the flow go because it's your opinion, I respect that, but I feel like I can fight back as long as I can. But again, this is about all of us discussing not just us. We're pretty much the last level of Phoenix Wright, we can go as long as we want to win.

You know what's funny. When the conclusion arrives, the whole overall will be clear and perhaps give us the better understanding, to the point if anime remakes it, everything will be different like so much removal of other pairing being a good chance of becoming canon. It's like "Oh! That's what you're doing!" Same with us, like if we found out that Sakura did in fact stop loving Sasuke back in part 1, we would look so much differently and say, "Oh, so it was for Team 7 purpose." However, Kishi has to make it clear for many, before we go, "So when did that happen???" But that's why I wait to the end for the right idea. Arc in this case, I mean we are still in the same one, right? Damn...

So now that the promise is lifted, what's stopping him now? Literally, what's stopping naruto from confessing his feelings to Sakura at this point in time other than plot convience? Keep in mind that this whole "they are in the middle of a war" is not that good excuse because there are many stories where couples confess their love in times that seem most inappropriate. It actually makes a rather amusing sitaution when it comes to stuff like that. Look at Elizabeth Swan and Will Turner when he propose right in the middle of a pirate battle showing both of them as capable fighters and a badass couple. Imagine a scene with Naruto and Sakura fighting together.

*Both are fighting tons of Ten-tails clones*
Naruto: Sakura, I have to ask...
Sakura: Little busy, Naruto...
Naruto: Will you Marry me?
Sakura: *blushes*....umm....I don't think now a good enough time to....
Naruto: I think so. Now is as good a time as any.
Sakura: Yes...*as she punches another clone and they kiss*

Karin: Awww, that's so sweet. Hey Sasuke, will you marry me?
Sasuke: Go f--- yourself.

Even with the foundation, it still revolves around Sasuke. Naruto is literally willing to die with Sasuke if the choice may come to that and that is kind of disturbing. It's really an unhealthy way to think about it. The Kage Summit Arc is really weird in that you have Naruto willing to throw his life away despite many reasons not to.

Again, take Sasuke out of the picture and there would be no promise of a lifetime, there would be none of the useless drama affiliated with him and a good chunk of the problems wouldn't exists. The whole reason why he didn't believe Sakura's confession was because she mentioned Sasuke. That's the only reason why he didn't believe her. I guess you can excuse the promise of a lifetime for his lack of confessing, but there many other moments where both Naruto and Sakura never stood up because Sasuke's character was in the way whether directly or indirectly. It even lampshaded with kakashi in part 2 saying that saying Sasuke's name is a "taboo."

There is also more stuff to it like Naruto saying he is unable to be Hokage because he couldn't save Sasuke. Which in reality he could easly be a hokage. Everyone loves him, supports him, he is a good leader and while he is not the smartest he has the will and the good heart. There is nothing else really preventing it than his excuse about Sasuke. Sasuke has always been a soft spot for both Naruto and Sakura. It's laughable still that when Sasuke is around, Team 7 is a mess, but when Sasuke gets transported to another dimension, Team 7 is better off. I laughed even harder when Obito actually makes a better teammate than Sasuke and actually willing to work with everyone using their powers and skills where needed.

What's even more interesting is how Naruto says he is not stronger than Sasuke, but I have seen him do things that make Sasuke look like a chump. So how can Naruto truly say this? "I am not strong enough to beat Sasuke." I beg to differ, Naruto, unless you mean "emotionally" then yes, that would be true.

As what you mentioned with the ending....I don't know. It would be the whole "ends justify the means," but at the same time unless the character say that that was a huge flaw they had it would make me really confused.
 

 

Does anyone get what I'm saying?

 

I do.

Even if what 4life says is true and it's much deeper than what I am thinking of, Kishimoto kind of portrayed it ina  way that makes it seems like Sasuke HAS to be saved or noone is going to live their life anymore.

It may not be the case, but the way it looks or the way Kishi has character say these types of lines send off these wrong impressions.


Edited by James S Cassidy, 04 July 2014 - 03:41 AM.

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 03:31 AM

Chie Nakamura hates SasuSaku with a passion and finds that coupling annoying. Didn't say anything really big about NS except that she prefered it over SS.

 

I hope you're not referencing "her" facebook account-- that's fake.



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Posted 04 July 2014 - 03:56 AM

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NaruSaku has many, many things above SS. Their moments are more mutual, there's mutual selflessness, they've developed and changed so much, there's just too many things to name. SasuSaku will never compete with NaruSaku and NaruSaku will still be endgame. I'm not saying at all their moments aren't meaningful. They are very meaningful and impactful, just in different ways. I wouldn't change any of that.
 
It's more like ... SasuSaku, despite my absolute hatred of the couple, had some very heart-breaking and emotional moments that NaruSaku never really had. I don't want NaruSaku angsty or negative, but certain things about how hard Kishi made Sakura's feelings for Sasuke stand out and not do the same thing with Naruto just irks me as a shipper, now even more so because I know NaruSaku will be canon.
 
Like, for example, Sakura's confession to Sasuke. Kishi went all out on the confession it's ridiculous and it's not even the end pair. Screw Sasuke's lack of reciprocation, screw Sakura's lack of reason for loving Sasuke, screw the angst and Sakura depression, I want none of that for NaruSaku. It's just ... there is just one thing that's really emotional in that scene that pisses me off muchly when the series moves forward and that is this line:
 
Sakura: "You told me once the pain solitude brings ... I understand that pain. I have family and friends, but without you, Sasuke ... it's as bad as being alone."  
 
Now this line always bothered me anyways because I didn't understand why Sakura felt this strongly when Sasuke did little for her and Naruto did a lot, but what irritates me about it now is that Kishimoto wrote Sakura saying such a desperate and impactful line to Sasuke, making it seem like she will never get over him, but NaruSaku will be canon in the end. That type of line seemed more fitting for NaruSaku since Naruto's the one who will be her true love but Sakura just throws that on Sasuke. Wouldn't that make more sense if Sakura said that to Naruto at some point, especially with all their development in Part 2, just minus the angst and desperation?
 
Sakura doesn't even have to say that to Naruto either, but the problem is she said that Sasuke when he's not even her true love and SS will always have the line while NS, the actual end pairing, never will (and I don't want it to tbh: the fact he used that on SS already ruined it for him to ever dish that on NS).
 
I just don't get why Kishimoto was so determined to make Sakura portrayed as if she'd die without Sasuke when meaningful moments like that, if done at all, should be more reserved for the canon pair. Maybe Sakura was desperate or delusional and maybe it wasn't with basis, but it still happened. Kishimoto really pushed himself way too far with that confession. It's seriously no wonder SS fans still cling to that like their life depends on it and then compare it to Sakura's confession to Naruto just to talk crap, completely misinterpreting it because Kishi screwed up.
 
Does anyone get what I'm saying? I hate SS and love NaruSaku just the way it is, but that won't stop me from feeling Kishimoto pushed Sakura's feelings for Sasuke a little too hard in the past and now people are always going to measure it to NaruSaku, saying how much more 'deeper' and 'feeling' Sakura's love for Sasuke was. They're wrong of course, but that line in Sakura's confession to Sasuke was still too much.

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First of all, Kishi didn't write this on his own. He needed an assistant to write this piece. That's actually a true story according to Kishi, unless he lies. Anyway, second, you're comparing to the finale of the pairing to the one still ongoing. You got to remember, the last moment is the biggest change of your life because it can change you completely. This was her breaking point because she finally admit everything that's wrong. You remember how she tried and tried and never expose her thoughts on this whole thing? That because she just doesn't want to admit this whole relationship was a total bust. When Sakura saw him leaving, Sasuke told her to go home. Instead of just crying, she finally go out and say it what she thinks. She pretty much started off with the overall, saying that he never talks to her, most likely hates her, and so on. This is the closing moment. We must have missed our cue to see it that.

Lastly, you do know the point of this is to show how one person that believed he/she hit rock bottom, but one person is actually there to help everything. In fact, even the databook addressed this moment as "One felt the lowest point, but bounce back by another." Therefore, we are supposed to see a moment where one person actually recovered by another guy, let alone the one whom she hated. That's the surprising factor that changed her life around. I have seen people going through this and they don't recover from this by other. They either do by themselves that seems to connect to them or somehow connect with the one they seem to be deep connected. If Naruto recovered her, what does that mean? I guess that's why the databook asked the same from all of us.

Understand this: whenever there's a usual/supposed love moment, it's done with a purpose rather for themselves and that's SS in a nutshell: used for a development that refers outside of it. One thing to remember is that Naruto and Sakura are still going on with their developments/moments. Naruto still holds the last call with his confession. Not to mention Kishi has already pinpoint that connecting the dream of another is probably the loviest thing next to making a promise. This is no brainer. Sakura didn't do any with Sasuke. She did her best to connect, but it never click. Again, all purpose, just never for SS.

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 04:04 AM

 

I hope you're not referencing "her" facebook account-- that's fake.

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 04:06 AM

Man, this calls for skype. I can see this be a long battle. Though to be honest, my opinion only, it feels like you haven't gotten enough rest to not be in some sort of stress. But that could be just me. It's like what I said before, for some reason, you increase a small moment tenfold due to connection. Like 615.




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