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[Chucky-kun]

Using HP parallels doesn't help alot when you're stuck in an argument with a NH fan lol.

[KnS]

Using HP parallels doesn't help alot when you're stuck in an argument with a NH fan lol.

I think the answer might be not to get into arguments with fans whose minds you will never change. No parallel will help. Even the author saying straight out what the pairings are (like Rowling did) won't help. That's the truth of things.

All we can do is wait and see.

[Chucky-kun]

I think the answer might be not to get into arguments with fans whose minds you will never change. No parallel will help. Even the author saying straight out what the pairings are (like Rowling did) won't help. That's the truth of things.

All we can do is wait and see.

Being patient isn't going to help much :/ The end result is going to give one fandom bragging rights and the other will have some logical people and some people in denial.

Its just how the cookie crumbles.

[luffyq1]

Being patient isn't going to help much :/ The end result is going to give one fandom bragging rights and the other will have some logical people and some people in denial.

Its just how the cookie crumbles.

I see what you did there lol.

[StriderC]

I see what you did there lol.

LMAO So did I.

Anyway, I'm bragging like there's no tomorrow. I think a lot of us should given how a lot of them are shouting cannon already. Imagine how dumb they'll look when NS does happen. I know I'm confident. Maybe too confident, but I feel it's only inevitable.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

To me, Naruto/Sakura is just as clear as Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione were, although it's funny how many Naruto fans seem to be H/Hr if they're into Potter at all. I was really surprised to discover that a lot of NS fans were H/Hr fans. Maybe it's people who think that the lead guy and lead girl automatically belong together...?

I only watched the Harry Potter movies. I wanted to read it at first but I couldn't bring myself to do it because my logic was "I already saw the movies. Why read the book versions?" My logic also applies to the Naruto manga throughout Part 1 and Part 2 up to the Pain Arc (Already saw the anime, why read it?). And hey, I'm a Harry/Hermione shipper! Wasn't a hardcore OTP but I did like it a lot. So I was more than a little disappointed when I saw the end pairings. I knew their relationship was platonic but I shipped it because Hermione and Harry were similar. I love couples who have similar personalities, just like Naruto and Sakura! But Ron/Hermione was obvious from the start and I did sorta like it, even though I preferred H/Hr.

I didn't like Harry/Ginny at all. I never saw any overt hints to it. From the movies, it was like you knew Ginny crushed on Harry but she was too shy to talk to him. Then suddenly she randomly shows up (After Harry saves her in the Chamber of Secrets) later in the series and he suddenly developed an interest in her? It was something I never expected, seemed poorly done, and was badly developed. I commonly refer to it as "J.K Rowlings' version of NaruHina".

But this is off-topic. xD

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 03 January 2013 - 02:03 AM.

[Zatheko]

Well, he admits to being a big Star Wars fan, and although SW is heavily influenced by ninja/samurai/martial arts, it's still western fiction so I suppose anything is possible -- including Potter because there does seem to be some similarities. More similarities with Star Wars, though, if you ask me.

inb4 sakura turns out to somehow be narutos sister

[Don-kun]

^^
In a Naruto's revelation video I did see something about them being cousin and Sasuke dying to becomes Tobi's new sacrifice, but after a while I think that it was all a bull theory.

I only watched the Harry Potter movies. I wanted to read it at first but I couldn't bring myself to do it because my logic was "I already saw the movies. Why read the book versions?" My logic also applies to the Naruto manga throughout Part 1 and Part 2 up to the Pain Arc (Already saw the anime, why read it?). And hey, I'm a Harry/Hermione shipper! Wasn't a hardcore OTP but I did like it a lot. So I was more than a little disappointed when I saw the end pairings. I knew their relationship was platonic but I shipped it because Hermione and Harry were similar. I love couples who have similar personalities, just like Naruto and Sakura! But Ron/Hermione was obvious from the start and I did sorta like it, even though I preferred H/Hr.

I didn't like Harry/Ginny at all. I never saw any overt hints to it. From the movies, it was like you knew Ginny crushed on Harry but she was too shy to talk to him. Then suddenly she randomly shows up (After Harry saves her in the Chamber of Secrets) later in the series and he suddenly developed an interest in her? It was something I never expected, seemed poorly done, and was badly developed. I commonly refer to it as "J.K Rowlings' version of NaruHina".

But this is off-topic. xD

From the moment that Asian girl kissed Harry and he started to find a liking in her, it should be clear to the viewers that H/HR was not meat to be.
Another note, the moment Gynny stud up to Malfoy's uncle and Malfoy stated that she was Harry new girlfriend that could be also interpretative the same way Konohamaru and that frog stating that Sakura was Naruto's girlfriend, after all Harry went all out to save her and Ron did the same for Hermione.

Edited by Don-kun, 03 January 2013 - 02:35 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

From the moment that Asian girl kissed Harry and he started to find a liking in her, it should be clear to the viewers that H/HR was not meat to be.
Another note, the moment Gynny stud up to Malfoy's uncle and Malfoy stated that she was Harry new girlfriend that could be also interpretative the same way Konohamaru and that frog stating that Sakura was Naruto's girlfriend after all Harry went all out to save her and Ron did the same for Hermione.

I mostly accepted that Harry/Hermione would never happen. I wasn't raging and being stubborn/in denial of that like most of my fellow H/Hr shippers. I just genuinely believed that Harry and Hermione's personalities complemented each other better. Oh yes ... I forgot that small little detail. But my main gripe with it was that it wasn't developed enough for my tastes. Exactly why I'm reminded of NH. Also why I dislike it.

[JG111580]

Mulled this over since reading the chapter yesterday (and getting a little frustrated and depressed).

I am still hopeful about Narusaku even with the latest events in the manga.

If it doesn't happen Kishimoto would have to answer these questions:
Why was Hinata not a more prominent character throughout the manga and developed more?
Why put all the effort into making readers dislike Sakura as a Sauske fangirl in part 1, then overtly developing her feelings for and bringing her closer to Naruto in part 2?
Why create all the Naruskau parallels with Jiraya and Tsunade and Minato and Kushina?

The only reason that I can see for dropping these major decade plus buildups is the popularity of Hinata's character.
If this ends up being the case, my opinion of this series and its' creator will be drastically altered.

However, I realize that there is still an entire arc coming to settle the team 7 dynamic with Sauske for good. In the previous major battle, both Hinata and Sakura showed love for Naruto. Hinata did so more with words and Sakura with action after the battle. If this trend holds true, along with others in the story. Naruto is about to get beat down and almost, if not completely out. This leaves room for the major comeback win and discovering new abilities (10 tails host or host of all the other tailed beasts and the heir of the 6 paths). Thus, the admiration of the entire ninja world. Hopefully, Sakura's spontaneous after battle response is proportional to the increase of the scope of the battle.

If not, this could be Sakura's turn to be jealous. She already knew that Hinata had feelings for him. Now, she will have to deal with the fact that someone else has caught his attention. It could go a lot further if there is another time skip prior to the confrontation with Sauske. Thus Kishimoto creates a more interesting love triangle now that Sausaku has almost completely evaporated.

Kishimoto has a problem now though. How does shift back the dynamic without making Naruto, Sakura, or Hinata look bad or killing them off? He has already almost killed Hinata, so that's probably out (unless her death is an intergal part of developing Narusaku). Sakura is supposed to be a main character and one of Kishimoto's favorites, but killing her off in order to save Naruto is a possibility. Again, this wastes all his efforts to develop her character, so I doubt it. Plus, this would mean that Naruto has failed or has given up (completely against his character). Or, Naruto dies with Sauske leaving them both to grieve. That pretty much ruins all of the positive messages that have been used in this story. He has overcome so much only to die at the hands of his "best friend" and not become hokage.

Not sure where this is going, but I'm going to keep reading and try to stay positive. Although, I may take a break for a few weeks and read through more of the battle in a large chunk. I did the last time and it helped.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

*Ehem*


HarryxHermione fan here. That is all.

Also a RobinxRaven fan (from the Teen Titans cartoon)

and BatmanxWonder Woman (from the DC Animated Universe)

I've a habit of liking non-canon pairings.

[Destiny]

Maybe Sakura will end up single.... I mean that would be some pretty major development for her! (NOT saying this is what I think will happen or would want to happen). But finally she wouldn't need anybody, her life wouldn't revolve around a boy or a crush, she would be completely sustained on friendship, and have enough self confidence and self esteem to be her own person, doing her own thing.

Though I think Naruto has always done that for her.......

Edited by Destiny, 03 January 2013 - 03:07 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Maybe Sakura will end up single.... I mean that would be some pretty major development for her! (NOT saying this is what I think will happen or would want to happen). But finally she wouldn't need anybody, her life wouldn't revolve around a boy or a crush, she would be completely sustained on friendship, and have enough self confidence and self esteem to be her own person, doing her own thing.

Though I think Naruto has always done that for her.......

Well, her life isn't about love throughout the manga. At first, it was but that's only because Kishi wanted her to start out bad and progress as she becomes a true ninja. She was made as a normal girl understanding the reality. The romance aspect is a personal part of her life and it finally got in touch in the last arc. That's what I like about this pairing because it's not just made for love, rather just working together as ninja and great friends. I guess that's why some of us don't like Hinata because her life revolve too much of Naruto. While Sakura loves Sasuke, her life doesn't revolve with him entirely. I could imagine: "Naruto, you're always done the impossible by yourself. No matter what you say, we will get Sasuke and I can finally hold his hand, walking with him."

[Qia]

I read the HP books wayy before seeing the movies, and I still shipped H/Hr. Just saying >_>.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

A certain amount of that happens no matter whose pairing makes it to the end of canon. The Harry/Hermione shippers were just particularly difficult to convince, even when JK Rowling told them they were "delusional" they wouldn't listen. Kishimoto will have some of that ahead of him as well, I reckon, no matter what the final pairing or pairings may be.

I took offense to the fact that she called her fans (and by extension, me because I ship HHR), delusional. That's a bit insulting, calling us that because we didn't like the canon pairing.

Personally, even reading the books, the HG pairing wasn't foreshadowed at all. Harry and Ginny didn't interact in any meaningful way until either the 2nd, then the 5th or (the abysmally bad) 6th book. Ginny usually just cameo-d infrequently at best, aside from Chamber of Secrets.
Even my friend, who didn't mind the HG pairing, said that the 6th book seemed to have been written to justify the HG pairing.

Anyway, the reason why there's parallels between Naruto and other stories is that nothing is original. Like I mentioned earlier, in stories with trio-protagonists, there's usually the Freudian trio: Superego (Strict, smart, serious, etc), Id (silly, goofy, generally the opposite of Superego), and the Ego (a character that can interact both Super and Id, and balances the two).

Same with Star Wars, Han Solo functions as the Id, Luke functions as Ego, and Leia functions as the Superego. The Prequel Trilogy is more obvious, with Obi-Wan as a very obvious Superego, Anakin as an Id, and Padme as Ego.

Heck, Obito's fall to darkness is basically the same as Anakin's. Complete with manipulative old man.
Naruto can be Luke Skywalker, especially with the messianic characteristics he's gained recently. He could be Aang, Harry Potter, Goku, Superman, etc.


The narrative devices (also known as 'Tropes') in Naruto aren't new, and they'll always repeat whenever a new story is told. What matters is how the author delivers those tropes in different ways.

[dl316bh]

Also a RobinxRaven fan (from the Teen Titans cartoon)

We are now enemies. @____@

[TouKen4Life3g]

I read Harry Potter before the movie, so I guess I didn't get the effect of the shipping stuff. It wasn't that much of a war to begin with anyway. But what's new to me is that the author actually made a comment about the pairing and fans. I didn't know that at all. Even Kishi is not that low, and he's the guy who manipulated answers to more questions.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

I read Harry Potter before the movie, so I guess I didn't get the effect of the shipping stuff. It wasn't that much of a war to begin with anyway. But what's new to me is that the author actually made a comment about the pairing and fans. I didn't know that at all. Even Kishi is not that low, and he's the guy who manipulated answers to more questions.

I read the whole series after liking the first movie, but I was disappointed and confused to see Harry and Ginny hooked up, despite them not interacting with each other.


But, like a lot of things I learned after this fandom, the main lesson was, "Get over it." So, I did, and just read fanfics.


Lots of things can be resolved if people just "get over it." In fact, I told my mother that most of the world's conflicts would probably end if people just 'got over it.'

That was my main reaction to this chapter, "Oh, Hinata and Naruto held hands? Okay." Over it after clicking the next page.

[Don-kun]

I read the whole series after liking the first movie, but I was disappointed and confused to see Harry and Ginny hooked up, despite them not interacting with each other.


But, like a lot of things I learned after this fandom, the main lesson was, "Get over it." So, I did, and just read fanfics.


Lots of things can be resolved if people just "get over it." In fact, I told my mother that most of the world's conflicts would probably end if people just 'got over it.'

That was my main reaction to this chapter, "Oh, Hinata and Naruto held hands? Okay." Over it after clicking the next page.

The reason why I see Naruto a little difference from the regular story formula and especially when people are making comparisons with DB or Harry P that I usually tend to ignore, is because like Naruto Harry never held any romantic feelings for Hr and Goku never held any romantic feelings for Bulma. Most of the type of anime s does not focus on the main character feeling for when is time to hooking up with someone the writers does not have much explanation to give the readers: With Naruto it's completely different because he stated that he liked a girl and Kishi just kept nailing that fact to us.

So even if you being on the non-canon side I have a feeling this will finally change.

Edited by Don-kun, 03 January 2013 - 04:10 AM.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

The reason why I see Naruto a little difference from the regular story formula and especially when people are making comparisons with DB or Harry P that I usually tend to ignore, is because like Naruto Harry never held any romantic feelings for Hr and Goku never held any romantic feelings for Bulma. Most of the type of anime s does not focus on the main character feeling for when is time to hooking up with someone the writers does not have much explanation to give the readers: With Naruto it's completely different because he stated that he liked a girl and Kishi just kept nailing that fact to us.

So even if you being on the non-canon side I have a feeling this will finally change.

Lol, I also have some canon pairings, EdxWinry is the biggest. InuyashaxKagome, too.


Anyway, the first thing that attracted me to Naruto was that Kishi did manage to write a shonen-type manga that doesn't exactly conform to the Shonen-type characters.

Naruto, the stereotypical 'Idiot Hero' had a reason for being a stereotypical 'idiot hero,' he was being an idiot to hide the loneliness he felt. Naruto has more depth, than most. He was also smarter and VERY emphathic. He's even grown out to be a wiser teen, than the loud-mouthed brat he was. He kinda has more in common with Commander Shepard or Silly!Hawke, than his spiritual predecessor, Goku.

Sakura, stereotypical Tsundere love interest, doomed to remain as such or as an annoying fan-girl type character. Instead, she grew out of that, to the point that I don't even consider her tsundere. She's become wise, caring, understanding, and she doesn't even hit Naruto all that much!


Kishimoto really did tell a good story-line that promised great character development and made me want to cheer on Naruto to become Hokage, but I just think that Kishimoto's maybe over-reached a little. It may be better if he worked with a smaller world, slowly expanding it, instead of "Okay, here's several countries' worth of people and I'd like you to meet them all at the same time!"

Heck, he could've probably even kept Obito's major plot mostly secretive, with Naruto fighting and encountering him in small skirmishes, like a hero uncovering a secret plot in bits and pieces, instead he did, "OKAY, BIG WAR SEQUENCE!" That would've been a lot more engaging, especially with how he always ends with cliffhangers.

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 03 January 2013 - 04:22 AM.