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[AHK]

^Sasuke doesn't care are enough about her to use her. It's very much the other way around. Sakura never loved Sasuke, he's just a tool for her to fulfill her little fantasies she's had since she was a kid.

[BlackBird19]

^Sasuke doesn't care are enough about her to use her. It's very much the other way around. Sakura never loved Sasuke, he's just a tool for her to fulfill her little fantasies she's had since she was a kid.

I'd say the using of each other is rather mutual. Sakura gets what she wants by having some form of intimate relationship with him. While Sasuke gets a child to continue his clan and maintains said relationship with her because it's on his terms. I mean he's only there when he wants to be.

[AHK]

I'd say the using of each other is rather mutual. Sakura gets what she wants by having some form of intimate relationship with him. While Sasuke gets a child to continue his clan and maintains said relationship with her because it's on his terms. I mean he's only there when he wants to be.

That doesn't mean he's using her though. Him not being there is evidence that he doesn't want to be. Him using her would imply that he is getting some benefit from it. The only thing he's getting is a relationship that he clearly doesn't want to be a part of.

[BlackBird19]

That doesn't mean he's using her though. Him not being there is evidence that he doesn't want to be. Him using her would imply that he is getting some benefit from it. The only thing he's getting is a relationship that he clearly doesn't want to be a part of.

While you might not like Sakura as a mother, she's still the one raising Sarada alone. It feels like he's getting some use out her with that. With her there for Sarada, he doesn't have to be. This allows the Uchiha clan to continue while he still gets to do his own thing. If he didn't have any use for her, he wouldn't be with her. I mean he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy to spare anyone's feelings. Especially Sakura's. His history is proof of that.

[Bail o' Lies]

While you might not like Sakura as a mother, she's still the one raising Sarada alone. It feels like he's getting some use out her with that. With her there for Sarada, he doesn't have to be. This allows the Uchiha clan to continue while he still gets to do his own thing. If he didn't have any use for her, he wouldn't be with her. I mean he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy to spare anyone's feelings. Especially Sakura's. His history is proof of that.

He has only spared her feelings once before. Remember he chewed her out for not training before the chunin exam that it brought her into a depressed state. So he realizing she was depressed before the chunin exam he had the whole "reveal the genjustsu" saying that Sakura was the first to discover it. To try and cheer her up because he realized she would be a dead weight with her attitude. Other then that he has never tried a spared her or worried about hurting her feeling. He bluntly put her down during both of her confession several times. Tried to kill her several times in part two. And even bluntly said to Kakashi and Naruto after he knocked Sakura out he didn't even understand why she liked him. Then in 699 he suddenly pokes her on the forehead?

 

AHK it like what Black bird is saying they are both using each other. Sakura wanted Sasuke's affection and status as his wife. While Sasuke wanted an heir to continue on his blood line. The difference between them is Sakura did raise and take care of the daughter that came from their coupling, and apparently did a fine job. Other then a few problems that are because Sasuke abandon them. Sasuke on the other hand shows no interest in his wife or his daughter. To the point he spends more time willingly with Naruto's spoiled brat. Salad after a talk from Naruto decided that it didn't matter if Sakura was her mom or not she still loves her. While with Sasuke she ask Bolt what her father would do in a situation (since his few days of training with him gave him a better understanding of him then salad has) and then decided to do the exact opposite because she want to be everything her father is not.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 09 October 2016 - 05:58 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

So there is a post going around tumbler that was translated by someone. Apparently kish tried to push sakura with support from other manga authors but was forced by sp to do nh.

http://hischerryblos...ru-currently-on

We have know about that for almost two years by this point. It is one of the reason I don't blame kishi for everything.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 09 October 2016 - 07:59 AM.

[DeathGodMack]

So there is a post going around tumblr that was translated by someone. Apparently kish tried to push sakura with support from other manga authors but was forced by sp to do nh. Also it was never confirmed but now we know for sure.

http://hischerryblos...ru-currently-on

Edited by DeathGodMack, 09 October 2016 - 08:11 AM.

[Yyubie]

 

So there is a post going around tumblr that was translated by someone. Apparently kish tried to push sakura with support from other manga authors but was forced by sp to do nh. Also it was never confirmed but now we know for sure.

http://hischerryblos...ru-currently-on

 

If i remember that info is from long ago just after the ending , I  think it was in january 2015.

[Hanabi]

 

So there is a post going around tumblr that was translated by someone. Apparently kish tried to push sakura with support from other manga authors but was forced by sp to do nh. Also it was never confirmed but now we know for sure.

http://hischerryblos...ru-currently-on

 

that just reeks of tumblr, i don't believe it one bit

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

So there is a post going around tumblr that was translated by someone. Apparently kish tried to push sakura with support from other manga authors but was forced by sp to do nh. Also it was never confirmed but now we know for sure.
http://hischerryblos...ru-currently-on

This came shortly after Shuiesha decided to move up the Sakura Hidden from July to April 3 2015. According to Ramen before he deleted his account, he and the JP SS fandom claimed the SH LN was pre orders were sold out on JP Amazon and book stores across the nation. SJ released a magazine article the week before the book was released in stores being about a SS advertisement when the original avertisment was hinted NS. There was a major recall and people that were against SS got to refund and money they paid returned to them. the SH NL novel sold about 48,000 copies in its first week. Shuiesha had the same motivation to cheat, deceived and rip off the fans the way SP did to a big portion of what used to be the Naruto fandom with the false avertisment and deny of ticket refunds for TL. we will never know that they were just testing the waters or that this rumor put too much pressure on them to go with the original plan. This makes the rumor very plausible.

What I remember. I forgot who said it, but the term "mass refund" was use to describe it. From what I know, NL do not get printed in quantity as manga. Generally, the max out out for normal NL are 200k and popular LN can exceed up to 400k. Doing the math, SH surpassed Boruto's first volume. How ironic is that XD.

[Bail o' Lies]

"This came shortly after Shuiesha decided to move up the Sakura Hidden from July to April 3 2015. According to Ramen before he deleted his account, he and the Japanese SS fandom claimed the Sakura Hiden LN was pre orders were sold out on Japanese Amazon and book stores across the nation. Shueisha released a magazine article the week before the book was released in stores being about a SS advertisement when the original advertisement was hinting NS. Then there was a major recall and people that were against SS got to refund and money they paid returned to them. The Sakura Hiden LN novel sold about 48,000 copies in its first week. Shuiesha had the same motivation to cheat, deceived and rip off the fans the way SP did to a big portion of what used to be the Naruto fandom with the false advertisement and deny of ticket refunds for The Last. We will never know that they were just testing the waters or that this rumor put too much pressure on them to go with the original plan. This makes the rumor very plausible.

 

What I remember. I forgot who said it, but the term "mass refund" was use to describe it. From what I know, LN do not get printed in quantity as manga. Generally, the max out out for normal LN are 200k and popular LN can exceed up to 400k. Doing the math, Sakura Hiden surpassed Boruto's first volume. How ironic is that XD"

 

 

SH? Oh Sakura hiden. Right I remember people hoping that the Sakura novel would actually be a retcon even here. Then it wasn't and it got a lot of negative press this was around the same time they had the voice actor interview. From what i recall one of the major reason it got those recall was the "pairing of death" was in it. Now that I remember a lot of people seemed to be hoping that the light novels would retcon the last. That noise ended after the Sakura novel then no one talked about the marriage novel and a few talked about gaara's novel. 

 

What is NL? Ok then.

 

Actually this probably explains the gaiden as well. Originally it was only suppose to be a one shot according to kishimoto but it was then turned into a miniseries. it was probably because of those preorder they thought the SS was more popular then it actually was and wanted to please them. Since they quickly learned from the last nH was worthless.

 

About the Bolt volume there is a simple reason for that. The Bolt manga was the last straw for most fans on the bench in Japan. I don't have contact in Japan but even what i hear through the grape vies is. From the Last till the Bolt manga including this Sakura hiden scheme ther main thing Shueisha and SP have been doing since the ending is "extended the Naruto products as long as possible while conning the fanbase out of their money." In other words tricking the Japanese fans that "maybe 'this' will be the product that retcons the awful ending but only if it makes enough money." Which continued until the Boruto manga announcement when they finally realize that they were never going to fix the ending and were just playing them. Which further pissed of the Japanese fanbase and their hatred and growing apathy to Naruto. To the point that they are completely done with Naruto at this point other then the otaku and foreigners.

 

Also for it to max out would mean it was going to sell between 200,000-400,000 or more. And instead they got 48,000. They may have gotten a tenth of their potential profits of if they had simply made it NS.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 09 October 2016 - 01:00 PM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

 

"This came shortly after Shuiesha decided to move up the Sakura Hidden from July to April 3 2015. According to Ramen before he deleted his account, he and the Japanese SS fandom claimed the Sakura Hiden LN was pre orders were sold out on Japanese Amazon and book stores across the nation. Shueisha released a magazine article the week before the book was released in stores being about a SS advertisement when the original advertisement was hinting NS. Then there was a major recall and people that were against SS got to refund and money they paid returned to them. The Sakura Hiden NL novel sold about 48,000 copies in its first week. Shuiesha had the same motivation to cheat, deceived and rip off the fans the way SP did to a big portion of what used to be the Naruto fandom with the false advertisement and deny of ticket refunds for The Last. We will never know that they were just testing the waters or that this rumor put too much pressure on them to go with the original plan. This makes the rumor very plausible.

 

What I remember. I forgot who said it, but the term "mass refund" was use to describe it. From what I know, NL do not get printed in quantity as manga. Generally, the max out out for normal NL are 200k and popular LN can exceed up to 400k. Doing the math, SH surpassed Boruto's first volume. How ironic is that XD"

 

 

SH? Oh Sakura hiden. Right I remember people hoping that the Sakura novel would actually be a retcon even here. Then it wasn't and it got a lot of negative press this was around the same time they had the voice actor interview. From what i recall one of the major reason it got those recall was the "pairing of death" was in it. Now that I remember a lot of people seemed to be hoping that the light novels would retcon the last. That noise ended after the Sakura novel then no one talked about the marriage novel and a few talked about gaara's novel. 

 

What is NL?

 

Actually this probably explains the gaiden as well. Originally it was only suppose to be a one shot according to kishimoto but it was then turned into a miniseries. it was probably because of those preorder they thought the SS was more popular then it actually was and wanted to please them. Since they quickly learned from the last nH was worthless.

 

 

LN light novel (have it backwards by mistake lol).

[Bail o' Lies]

 

LN light novel (have it backwards by mistake lol).

It kind of sad that ramen got so sick of Naruto and didn't want anything to do with it. That they actually asked for them to be banned once they quit the site.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 09 October 2016 - 10:15 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

It kind of sad that ramen got so sick of Naruto and didn't want anything to do with it. That they actually asked for them to be banned once they quit the site.

 

Same here. He was are inside guy and translator on 2-chan with Rikudou. 

[tricksie]

I'd say the using of each other is rather mutual. Sakura gets what she wants by having some form of intimate relationship with him. While Sasuke gets a child to continue his clan and maintains said relationship with her because it's on his terms. I mean he's only there when he wants to be.

Sasuke has never expressed anything about continuing or resurrecting his clan since early on. Somewhere in the middle, I think thta motivation morphed into returning honor, or cleansing his clan name. (So it was less literal and more figurative.)

 

Then at the end of the manga, he switched to wanting to be Hokage...so that at least was expressing having a goal that benefited others than himself and left some kind of legacy. But that went nowhere too. 

 

The fact that Sakura and Sasuke were able to be together for less than two minutes to produce a child does absolutely nothing to change Sasuke from the same horrible person he's been throughout the whole series. Or support some long-shot notion of restoring a clan. Or show that he even thinks about Sakura long enough to consider how to use her for some goal. 

 

The only confirmed thing we can say about Sasuke is that he is just as self-centered as he's always been. The rest is up to the discretion of the viewer. They'll only see what they want. (Which is how SS continues to exist. Ugh.)

 

(Sakura end of the bargain doesn't really matter. Sakura of course will be a good nurturer, no matter if Sarada was hers or not. She's always been that way, professionally and personally. So no biggie there.)

[Bail o' Lies]

Sasuke has never expressed anything about continuing or resurrecting his clan since early on. Somewhere in the middle, I think thta motivation morphed into returning honor, or cleansing his clan name. (So it was less literal and more figurative.)

 

Then at the end of the manga, he switched to wanting to be Hokage...so that at least was expressing having a goal that benefited others than himself and left some kind of legacy. But that went nowhere too. 

 

The fact that Sakura and Sasuke were able to be together for less than two minutes to produce a child does absolutely nothing to change Sasuke from the same horrible person he's been throughout the whole series. Or support some long-shot notion of restoring a clan. Or show that he even thinks about Sakura long enough to consider how to use her for some goal. 

 

The only confirmed thing we can say about Sasuke is that he is just as self-centered as he's always been. The rest is up to the discretion of the viewer. They'll only see what they want. (Which is how SS continues to exist. Ugh.)

 

(Sakura end of the bargain doesn't really matter. Sakura of course will be a good nurturer, no matter if Sarada was hers or not. She's always been that way, professionally and personally. So no biggie there.)

The only time he has ever mention it was in that team introduction thing but even then it was more. "Yeah at some point I should restore my clan by having some kids." But the more important point was the deep rage and anger of wanting to kill his brother which was what even Sakura focused on.

 

In other words having offspring is a duty to him he has to fulfill at some point, but revenge is his true goal in life, his passion, his reason for living, and so on.

 

Nothing he has shown shows that he consider producing Salad with Sakura as anything more then a duty he had to complete. After that he got better thing to do.

 

Honestly by this point Sasuke and Naruto are the worst fathers in anime. That are not villains, and even that part is debatable since even some villainous parents are better then these two.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 09 October 2016 - 04:45 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

The only time he has ever mention it was in that team introduction thing but even then it was more. "Yeah at some point I should restore my clan by having some kids." But the more important point was the deep rage and anger of wanting to kill his brother which was what even Sakura focused on.

 

In other words having offspring is a duty to him he has to fulfill at some point, but revenge is his true goal in life, his passion, his reason for living, and so on.

 

Nothing he has shown shows that he consider producing Salad with Sakura as anything more then a duty he had to complete. After that he got better thing to do.

 

Honestly by this point Sasuke and Naruto are the worst fathers in anime. That are not villains, and even that part is debatable since even some villainous parents are better then these two.

Heck, look at Dozle Zabi in Mobile Suit Gundam. Supports the Zabi family's genocidal, authoritarian, xenophobic, etc. ideals of Zeon, but privately, you see he greatly cares about his family. He had hoped to be able to be under Garma's, his younger brother's (and youngest Zabi child), command one day had he not been betrayed by Char and killed in battle so early. He deeply loved his wife, Zenna, and his daughter Mineva, and (at least shown in video games, so not canon overall, but still) greatly appreciated Shin Matsunaga's, the White Wolf of Solomon, friendship, trust, etc. and seemed to care about his troops as a whole, but in the end, Amuro's Newtype senses could literally see a manifested aura of pure darkness, hostility, etc. from Dozle in his find stand after Amuro destroyed the Big Zam..

[AHK]

While you might not like Sakura as a mother, she's still the one raising Sarada alone. It feels like he's getting some use out her with that. With her there for Sarada, he doesn't have to be. This allows the Uchiha clan to continue while he still gets to do his own thing. If he didn't have any use for her, he wouldn't be with her. I mean he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy to spare anyone's feelings. Especially Sakura's. His history is proof of that.

 

He has only spared her feelings once before. Remember he chewed her out for not training before the chunin exam that it brought her into a depressed state. So he realizing she was depressed before the chunin exam he had the whole "reveal the genjustsu" saying that Sakura was the first to discover it. To try and cheer her up because he realized she would be a dead weight with her attitude. Other then that he has never tried a spared her or worried about hurting her feeling. He bluntly put her down during both of her confession several times. Tried to kill her several times in part two. And even bluntly said to Kakashi and Naruto after he knocked Sakura out he didn't even understand why she liked him. Then in 699 he suddenly pokes her on the forehead?

 

AHK it like what Black bird is saying they are both using each other. Sakura wanted Sasuke's affection and status as his wife. While Sasuke wanted an heir to continue on his blood line. The difference between them is Sakura did raise and take care of the daughter that came from their coupling, and apparently did a fine job. Other then a few problems that are because Sasuke abandon them. Sasuke on the other hand shows no interest in his wife or his daughter. To the point he spends more time willingly with Naruto's spoiled brat. Salad after a talk from Naruto decided that it didn't matter if Sakura was her mom or not she still loves her. While with Sasuke she ask Bolt what her father would do in a situation (since his few days of training with him gave him a better understanding of him then salad has) and then decided to do the exact opposite because she want to be everything her father is not.

See tircksie's post above, I agree with her. Sasuke has never mentioned, let alone wanted, an heir. 

The only time he has ever mention it was in that team introduction thing but even then it was more. "Yeah at some point I should restore my clan by having some kids." But the more important point was the deep rage and anger of wanting to kill his brother which was what even Sakura focused on.

 

In other words having offspring is a duty to him he has to fulfill at some point, but revenge is his true goal in life, his passion, his reason for living, and so on.

 

Nothing he has shown shows that he consider producing Salad with Sakura as anything more then a duty he had to complete. After that he got better thing to do.

 

Honestly by this point Sasuke and Naruto are the worst fathers in anime. That are not villains, and even that part is debatable since even some villainous parents are better then these two.

That's not what he meant when he said he was going to restore his clan when they all introduced themselves. If you remember, he prefaced that by saying "I want to kill a certain someone and restore my clan". Restoring his clan was never about restoring the Uchiha to the population they once were. It was all about Itachi. Itachi disgraced and dishonored the clan with his actions, and by killing him, he could set things right. That was proven when Sasuke met Itachi for the first time when Naruto went with Jiraiya to search for Tsunade. It wasn't about restoring the clan's population, it was about restoring the clan's name and honor. That's partially what fueled Sasuke to turn against the leaf following Obito telling him the truth with Itachi. 

 

It was never about having an heir. He's never wanted one. Which circles back to Sasuke not using Sakura because he quite literally wants nothing to do with her, and he gets nothing out of their relationship. 

Edited by AHK, 09 October 2016 - 10:47 PM.

[T XD]

 

So there is a post going around tumblr that was translated by someone. Apparently kish tried to push sakura with support from other manga authors but was forced by sp to do nh. Also it was never confirmed but now we know for sure.

http://hischerryblos...ru-currently-on

 

So, we were right... Shocker

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

So Kishi lied that he planned NH. Not Surprised.