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[T XD]

Which manga ended after 40 years ? Must be a great success for it to run for that many years.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Which manga ended after 40 years ? Must be a great success for it to run for that many years.

Kochikame.

[T XD]

Kochikame.

Its genres and sub genre/s ?

 

On second thought, I can google it. Nevermind XD

Edited by T XD, 15 September 2016 - 11:17 AM.

[Shadow1275]

 

Yeah, I think it had to be exactly what he was thinking. I mean, he drew it in the manga, and had Naruto daydreaming about being this older awesome shinobi - so we're gettingt that image and idea right from Kishimoto's own hand. 

 

The Naruto the grows up and marries Sakura? HE looks like this! /\

Some ppl liked the way Sakura looked in the Last and gaiden and boruto. I don't mind her new design save for her design in the Last. It makes her look a lot like Tsunade, but I always imagined she would look a bit more like this:

 

 

Bc the reason she grew out her hair was her forehead, then she cut it. But I always figured she would grow it out later on after we got closure with the Ch. 3 forehead scene. Figured this would be the future look too or something like it:

 

[milan kyuubi]

They look great! :)

 

I always imagined them something along this lines...

 

As for modern...

 

And I love this Ten Ten's look!

 

[Yyubie]

 

Yeah, I think it had to be exactly what he was thinking. I mean, he drew it in the manga, and had Naruto daydreaming about being this older awesome shinobi - so we're gettingt that image and idea right from Kishimoto's own hand. 

 

The Naruto the grows up and marries Sakura? HE looks like this! /\

Each time Naruto has a dream about a girl, there is always Sakura in it.

 

They look great! :)

 

I always imagined them something along this lines...

I always love that word "Uzumaki Sakura (formerly Haruno Sakura) apprentice to Tsunade, legendary kage", their kids will 100% be proud looking at their parent like that.

[tricksie]

 

 

 

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

And this is the huge difference between NS and NH art;

NS art is largely images of Naruto and/or Sakura looking badass, Sakura just looking naturally beautiful, Naruto and Sakura just being together and looking natural. Sure there's some H-art, but even that is usually pretty tasteful overall.

NH art is largely images of just a hugely sexualized Hinata (to even making her look like a slut in ways her character would never be), with usually hugely over-exaggerated breasts, Naruto and Hinata just having extremely crazy-looking sex, Naruto focusing on Hinata's breasts, Hinata trying to look badass in ways she never was, is, or would be; none of it looking natural at all. It all so clearly shows the perverted, fantastical, and/or desperate mindset of the community.

[db84x]

I'm not sure how to take this line. So one of SJ manga ended after 40 years (Christ). Oda; "I'm in tears. Akimoto-sensei, You're finally free! You're FREEEEEEEEE!"

WSJ well known for this anyway

[n7610]

Sometimes I wonder if this was the real future Naruto that Kishi was shooting for:

 

 

Thanks for the welcome everyone!

 

I really liked this design. It didn't give off that whole exaggerated Minato look that some fan-art gives off or the completely OOC looking designs that we got in canon. The last was awful in that regard. It keeps Naruto recognizable yet matures him to the point where he seems "different" in a way. Its a perfect middle ground.

 

 

Hair wise its no big deal. It's probably due to the gigantic headband which makes Naruto's face look awful. The jacket just is tacky and off. Makes him look like some kind of dictator. At least he's smiling. But in general the only theme that is kept is orange and black. It's not awful, but its not something I particularly like. Honestly A LOT better than his hokage design. 

 

 

 

His hokage design from the movie just seems too plain and bland. It borrows from Minato with the cloak but whereas in Minato's case it worked, it really doesn't fit here. The white on top of orange is a bad combination and the quasi-future jacket is tacky. Face-wise it just seems like it's trying too hard to make Naruto seem old and shape-wise it seems too masculine for his features. In action he just does not look right at all.

 

 

EIther due to fault of SP or otherwise, As an adult, the design just is off and drab. It doesn't scream Naruto at all. Mostly due to it being a cop out for Kishi to self insert to make a point at the cost of the story. It's too mature for a character who is everything but mature. Throughout the series it's been really established that Naruto is not one to follow orders, one who enjoys legal jargon, and looking down upon people like so. This on the shows a world weary old man who would rather sit and do office work than make a difference.

 

Its unappealing to those who actually liked Naruto's character and/or personality. It's really depressing to me as I followed the story and in the end I can't even enjoy the character I liked throughout the series anymore.

 

The same goes for just about any character now. Sasuke is completely defeated and stone-faced. Sakura just seems to be running around like a robot. And any development Hinata did have is tossed away in favor of her just sitting around knitting scarves and being a house wife.

 

Any magic the series had left vanished with all of this new generation BS that everyone is spewing on about being the next best thing when it's absolutely awful to those who enjoyed the original series.

 

Space aliens and destroying the moon are one thing I really did not expect from this series almost a decade ago. along for the corny romance of the last. Instead of trying to be at least somewhat unique. It just completely fell apart to a DBZ power level disaster. 

 

The entire overcoming hatred theme the series tried to go with was so overly contrived and forced that it needed a deus ex machina plot device to actually say something about it. And with that it annihilated just about every other alternate theme the story tried to build up. It lost all of it's natural progression in an effort to get DBZ level big. Which really was not necessary what-so-ever.

 

 

Now it's only backbone is backstabbing other ships and a next generation series nobody cares for. It's tragic really. Naruto could have been something great. But shoddy writing and rushed decisions caused it to fall apart.

Edited by n7610, 16 September 2016 - 04:12 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

You are right about the last when Naruto doesn't have that headband on it is "WHAT WRONG WITH HIS FACE!!!" When he has it on it ok but only because by that point you have constantly horrified what it looks like without the headband.

 

To be entirely honest Naruto face doesn't look that bad in chapter 700. Kishimoto unlike SP or his assistant can draw Naruto's face as an adult. For the design I don't think i have ever heard people actually liking his design. They tend to focus more on him being hokage if they are not complaining about it. As for the movie I think SP is tooooo use to just relying on Naruto's headband being on his face. They probably use to use the headband to help them set his features. So when it not on his face some of the artist don't know what to do, because the problem in Bolt are just an exacerbation of the problem in the last..

 

Everything else i agree with you.

[Bail o' Lies]

And this is the huge difference between NS and NH art;

NS art is largely images of Naruto and/or Sakura looking badass, Sakura just looking naturally beautiful, Naruto and Sakura just being together and looking natural. Sure there's some H-art, but even that is usually pretty tasteful overall.

NH art is largely images of just a hugely sexualized Hinata (to even making her look like a slut in ways her character would never be), with usually hugely over-exaggerated breasts, Naruto and Hinata just having extremely crazy-looking sex, Naruto focusing on Hinata's breasts, Hinata trying to look badass in ways she never was, is, or would be; none of it looking natural at all. It all so clearly shows the perverted, fantastical, and/or desperate mindset of the community.

Its like I said about the fanfictions. It is the different mind sets of the factions. NS fans they love Naruto, they love Sakura, they love Naruto's and Sakura's romance, and they love the manga's story and plot. While nH only cared about their own fantasies, and what an nH ending represented to them. The ones that were actually loyal to the series and would have supported it for years were stabbed in the back. While the ones that didn't care about the series in any form other then one fantasy of their's. But once it is fulfilled? Well, they don't care about the story anyways and they got what they wanted. So why should they stick around for a story they don't care about? This is why Naruto lost most of it fanbase and if it wasn't for Bolt's movie bring back SNS it would have ended by now. Though even that isn't working now and the franchise is fading fast.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 16 September 2016 - 09:05 PM.

[n7610]

Yeah I feel a bit nit-picky about some things but one of the primary appealing features for the series was the art style. It didn't try to be crazy groundbreaking or anything. But it still looked good. Every character was unique in his/her own way until late in the series. (Mainly Obito being a complete palette swap of Naruto. Some of the kids too.) 

 

And on the headband for the head scaling? Absolutely believe that. When i used to fiddle around in class and such to pass the time, I'd always draw using the headband to give myself an idea of what goes where. 

 

 

It just feels like design-wise a lot could have been done better in the epilogue chapters.

[Bail o' Lies]

Yeah I feel a bit nit-picky about some things but one of the primary appealing features for the series was the art style. It didn't try to be crazy groundbreaking or anything. But it still looked good. Every character was unique in his/her own way until late in the series. (Mainly Obito being a complete palette swap of Naruto. Some of the kids too.) 

 

And on the headband for the head scaling? Absolutely believe that. When i used to fiddle around in class and such to pass the time, I'd always draw using the headband to give myself an idea of what goes where. 

 

 

It just feels like design-wise a lot could have been done better in the epilogue chapters.

If I were to guess the reason of Naruto's hokage outfit. It is suppose to show the contrast between his time as hokage and his father's time. His father's outfit was the standard uniform with a coat showing he was the hokage over it. This I think represent that Minato ruled in a time of war so he always had to be ready for a battle. While Naruto's outfit is a civilian outfit with a coat over it to show that he is hokage. This may be showing that he rules in a time of peace, so he doesn't have to constantly prepared for battle at any moment. Can't wait for the lurkers and the trolls to steal that justification. Though if they hadn't thought of that defense for the outfit by this point. That's just sad.

 

That was kind of the point of Obito. The kids as well because honestly kishimoto probably didn't care either because he was so drained that he just wanted to be done with the series already or he hated the editors forcing the ending on him and he is spiting them.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 16 September 2016 - 08:59 AM.

[tricksie]

 

Thanks for the welcome everyone!

 

I really liked this design. It didn't give off that whole exaggerated Minato look that some fan-art gives off or the completely OOC looking designs that we got in canon. The last was awful in that regard. It keeps Naruto recognizable yet matures him to the point where he seems "different" in a way. Its a perfect middle ground.

 

Naruto the Gutsy Ninja — Yes, I love that pic of Naruto as the Gutsy Ninja. Like I said, I think it's the only shot we get of what Kishimoto really intended Naruto to end up looking like, and illustrated at a time when the series was at the height of its popularity, Kishimoto was working with his best editor was still in love with the series.

 

In the design, you can see that Naruto still looks like himself. The addition of the longer hair is an enhacement not a detraction. It's a nod to Minato, but it doesn't turn Naruto into just a copy of his father. The unruly hair is such a big part of Naruto's design, and in the Gutsy Ninja pics, we see that the crazy hair has in fact turned into something that makes him look more formidable. He doesn't tame it. So it becomes a design that reflects the personality traits of the character, which is what good design/illustration is supposed to do.

 

And obviously, this is in deep contrast to the Naruto design we ended up with.

 

 

 

Hair wise its no big deal. It's probably due to the gigantic headband which makes Naruto's face look awful. The jacket just is tacky and off. Makes him look like some kind of dictator. At least he's smiling. But in general the only theme that is kept is orange and black. It's not awful, but its not something I particularly like. Honestly A LOT better than his hokage design. 

 

 

Naruto, post 700 — So I've talked about this before, but it still bugs me deeply. The Naruto design after the end of the series is such a pale version of the manga character. It's would be laughable it were just a hacky ff knock off. But it's not. It's what the brilliant minds behind the franchise came up with as the best version of Naruto. I say minds, because I don't think Kishimoto was alone in designing it, and I don't think he was designing it for himself or the manga. I think this design is one that was easier for other people to illustrate or copy into movies/anime/print/toys/clothes etc. I think that was the guiding light behind these choices.

 

Case in point: Naruto's clothes are now expanses of color. Few details, few ripples. He's just an outline to be filled in. I've seen a little more detail in some of the manga panels (and honestly, those are the ones that look suspiciously like Kishimoto has illustrated them). But other than that. The new design is simple to translate, anyone can reproduce it easily. It's cut-out of the original manga version. (Even the pics above look like the could be cardboard signs to put outside the door of a pizza restaurant.)

 

A while back there was an interview where Kishimoto said loved drawing details. Toes on everyone, rippling clothes, Naruto's furry collar, goggles and belts and gear on a lot of the other ninjas, and the extra straps on Sasuke's short-lived arena battle outfit (part 1). Kishimoto really liked those details. Turns out not everyone else did. He said for him personally it was hard to keep drawing the intricate clothing - it took up a lot of time. And the other illustrators and animators had a really really hard time with it. Hence why we don't see Sasuke's belted onesie again. 

 

So fastforward to the current design, with Naruto being handed off to lots of different people and Kishimoto really taking a backseat, and you get a Naruto that's just an outline. (Sasuke too, and he's even worse in all black. He's just a blob now.)

 

As for that outfit itself - the orange pants with the black jacket — it's really uninspired. It looks like his same old pants from his younger days, just with an older person's military jacket on top. And actually, it's worse than just uninspired: It makes NO SENSE. It doesn't enhance the character underneath it, doesn't add to the storyline. Like, you don't look at it and think 'Oh, I see. Naruto is trying to straddle civilian life with shinobi life. And that's reflected in his clothes, with his old shinobi pants and the new civilian jacket.' Or 'Oh, I see. Naruto is transitioning from a kid to a grownup. And that's reflected in his clothes by wearing his old pants and a new more grown-up jacket.' 

 

In fact, it distracts because it makes you stop and wonder what the hell is going on with that. Every single time you look at it. Same with the Hokage outfit....

 

 

 

 

His hokage design from the movie just seems too plain and bland. It borrows from Minato with the cloak but whereas in Minato's case it worked, it really doesn't fit here. The white on top of orange is a bad combination and the quasi-future jacket is tacky. Face-wise it just seems like it's trying too hard to make Naruto seem old and shape-wise it seems too masculine for his features. In action he just does not look right at all.

 

 

Naruto the Hokage — So this brings us to our final destination: The equally uninspired Hokage design. It doesn't tell us anything about Naruto and what kind of person he might be. It doesn't tell us anything about Naruto and what kind of Hokage he might be. And lastly, it doesn't reflect anything in Naruto's life that brought him to this point. 

 

Naruto's unruly hair has been shorn down to some anonymous points, for the convenience of reproduction. If you add or leave off a few points, no one's going to notice. It's just a zig-zag around his head. 

 

His clothes are detail-less expanses of color. Except for a few things – stripes at the cuffs and bottom of the jacket, rolled up pants, a tie holding the cloak together — there is nothing to note. And if someone left off one of those details in illustrating...seriously, would anyone even notice?

 

Even the flames of Minato's cloak (and what we assumed would be Naruto's as well) have been turned into just a zigzag. Why doesn't Naruto's cloak have flames? Heck, why isn't Naruto's cloak orange and black...representing the Orange Flash (or whatever cute name he came up with when he was talking to his mom)? Nope - just a red zigzag. Pointless.

 

Even more pointless stuff...the fact that the only detailed area of Naruto's design is the bandages on the hand. I mean, what's the use in that?!? Why hasn't it been healed yet? Unless that hand/arm is going to come back up in the storyline somehow, it's useless to the plot...therefore it's useless to the design. Same with Sasuke's missing arm. He had the opportunity to get a new one...yet he turned it down. Why...because having one arm makes him a better ninja? My guess is that it's some sort of visual cue to the reader that says 'Remember, I have unfinished business with Sasuke/Naruto.' But unless the final fight that made both of them lose an arm is revisited (which I doubt it will be), the addition of those elements to Naruto and Sasuke's design is pointless.

 

Lastly, the color palette has been drastically muted. I think Catsi and I talked about this a while back too. That the toning down of the colors is really a theme for everything after the end of the manga. All of Naruto has been toned down. He's no longer brash and colorful, the details are no longer there, the characters are plugged nicely into stereotypes.... It's not longer the Naruto that was so popular. Now it's about Bolt, and he's completely forgettable.

 

 

 

 

EIther due to fault of SP or otherwise, As an adult, the design just is off and drab. It doesn't scream Naruto at all. Mostly due to it being a cop out for Kishi to self insert to make a point at the cost of the story. It's too mature for a character who is everything but mature. Throughout the series it's been really established that Naruto is not one to follow orders, one who enjoys legal jargon, and looking down upon people like so. This on the shows a world weary old man who would rather sit and do office work than make a difference.

 

Its unappealing to those who actually liked Naruto's character and/or personality. It's really depressing to me as I followed the story and in the end I can't even enjoy the character I liked throughout the series anymore.

 

Naruto as Obito — My last rant on the design is this: Instead of Naruto looking like a grown up version of himself (an evolution that a reader/viewer can visibly trace without needing to know the backstory), or an homage to Minato or Jiraiya (flame cloak, maybe big hair) or any other mentor that came before him...I believe Naruto's post-manga design was done for the sole purpose of justifying Obito's storyline. Naruto doesn't even look like himself anymore.... He just looks like Obito. I think it was done to try and hold together that disjointed ending, to make Obito a more important, more credible part of the story. To try to make it look like Obito had more of an impact on Naruto than by all rights he should have. (Obito killed his dad and dad, both directly and indirectly, among the thousands of other people lives he destroyed.) So I think Naruto's end design is a simple bid to try to validate a terrible ending. It doesn't sum up or pay homage to the parts of Naruto's life that got him to that point.

 

The design doesn't work - for me it's just a reminder that this is now a character/series that's radically different from the one I used to read.

 

If I were to guess the reason of Naruto's hokage outfit. It is suppose to show the contrast between his time as hokage and his father's time. His father's outfit was the standard uniform with a coat showing he was the hokage over it. This I think represent that Minato ruled in a time of war so he always had to be ready for a battle. While Naruto's outfit is a civilian outfit with a coat over it to show that he is hokage. This may be showing that he rules in a time of peace, so he doesn't have to constantly prepared for battle at any moment. Can't wait for the lurkers and the trolls to steal that justification. Though if they hadn't thought of that defense for the outfit by this point. That's just sad.

 

That was kind of the point of Obito. The kids as well because honestly kishimoto probably didn't care either because he was so drained that he just wanted to be done with the series already or he hated the editors forcing the ending on him and he is spiting them.

 

Interesting about the cloak - I never thought about it that way. That they might have different outfits reflecting wartime or peacetime.

 

Personally, I liked Minato's better. Naruto's Hokage outfit, like everything else about him now, doesn't really reflect the brash, loud-mouthed Naruto that we saw grow up in the manga. You would think that Naruto would be designing his own cloak, with flames on the bottom, etc. 

 

Instead we have this Naruto, who's outfit looks like it came from the Hokage's Wearhouse ("You love the way you rule, I guarantee it."  ). It doesn't look like Naruto at all. It looks like it could be a Hokage outfit for anyone - not Naruto, who is supposed to be so different from anyone else who came before him.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

And this is the huge difference between NS and NH art;

NS art is largely images of Naruto and/or Sakura looking badass, Sakura just looking naturally beautiful, Naruto and Sakura just being together and looking natural. Sure there's some H-art, but even that is usually pretty tasteful overall.

NH art is largely images of just a hugely sexualized Hinata (to even making her look like a slut in ways her character would never be), with usually hugely over-exaggerated breasts, Naruto and Hinata just having extremely crazy-looking sex, Naruto focusing on Hinata's breasts, Hinata trying to look badass in ways she never was, is, or would be; none of it looking natural at all. It all so clearly shows the perverted, fantastical, and/or desperate mindset of the community.

Eww!!!. That would be the most boring thing I would ever see... Now if Naruto and Sakura were having sex...

 

Ha ha ha... I'm a perv.

[Shadow1275]

Eww!!!. That would be the most boring thing I would ever see... Now if Naruto and Sakura were having sex...

 

Ha ha ha... I'm a perv.

Ask and you shall recieve

 

       

Edited by Shadow1275, 16 September 2016 - 06:07 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

.... *Looks at some things* Wait Naruto's cloak in chapter 700 does actually have the flames. Same with the gaiden and Boruto. So they literally simplified the design for the Bolt movie. Someone so didn't care about how Naruto looks they made the design even worse by simplifying it. Also kishimoto still drew Naruto hair better in both the gaiden and 700 then SP did for two feature films.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 16 September 2016 - 06:30 PM.

[n7610]

Yeah Kishi's art definitely still gave off a familiar vibe considering how it wasn't part of a contrived movie marred by some kind of meddling, executive or otherwise.

 

 

While I don't enjoy the general aesthetics of the entire design. I still see Naruto behind it.

 

 

Contrast it with his Boruto Manga redesign.

 

 

 

He's just generic. The palette swap does work in his favor. But he seriously looks like he's still in Shippuden height-wise. The main issue I see rising up is that Naruto is simply a character not designed to look like an adult. is appearance is too unique in the sense that no matter who designs him as an adult. He just doesn't look "right" to the viewer. The whiskers, spiky hair, etc. It just doesn't translate well leading to the toned down and odd look. Factoring in the random design change. I seriously have no idea what the heck the intention of the design is. If it doesn't work and is never going to, why keep trying?

Edited by n7610, 16 September 2016 - 07:57 PM.

[BlackBird19]

This discussion made me draw that Tale of a Gutsy Ninja version of Naruto. https://www.instagra.../p/BKbqlHHBY13/

Edited by BlackBird19, 16 September 2016 - 11:24 PM.