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Posted 24 August 2016 - 05:09 PM

They keeps saying it because they think it is the catch all defense. That it demises any and all complaints and criticisms any of us can lay out against what has happened to the Naruto franchise.  It is like if you see a kitten kids show that is genuinely awful let say like teen titans go or powerpuff girls (let not get into a debate if they are good or not and just say they are bad for the sake of example) or a really awful kids movie. And when you point out how genuinely awful it is people just go "it for kids" which seem to mean "of course it's awful but we have such low expectations and respect for the intelligence of children we think they deserve to only get the absolute worst shlock we can think of."

 

Anyways who is Naruto target demographic? Shueisha is in the job of making money with their manga, so they will sell it to who every they think will give them the most profit.  It has ran for over sixteen to seventeen years by this point the original target demographic of children are adults now even internationally. Also the kids now a days aren't gonna be as invested into the series as they would be for My hero academy or food wars both of which started in their life time so they can get invested in or one piece which is a huge cultural phenomena in Japan that everyone reads. Now looking at the last we can see that Shueisha clearly was targeting the international or more importantly Western or more accurately the US fanbase which was believe to be heavily supportive of nH. The problem is they weren't financially supportive of the series. So they instead shifted focus to the Japanese fan base (which they pissed of with the ending and ever after) by making Boruto the movie. The tihg is that the kids in Japan are once again they not interested in Bolt because it is currently running on nostalgia (which they do not have for the franchise) more then any interesting story, and the parent in japan who grew up reading Naruto are not gonna let their kids purchase Naruto volumes because they do not want their kids to be invested into something they cannot trust not to stab their kids in the back. Leaving the Naruto fanbase only with the Otaku the parasites and outcast of Japan.

Well funny thing is my niece tried to read one of the old vols that I still have and I told her it would be a wast of her time, I mean she got to the part which she saw Naruto and Sakura and what is sad is she was hoping that they hook up even asked me how close they get and she was 9 when she read the first vol.

 

It did make me sad knowing I had to tell her how bad it was that even she got upset and throwing the book away, I mean its what makes me mad that people like that think kids are all stupid.



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Posted 24 August 2016 - 07:05 PM

Well funny thing is my niece tried to read one of the old vols that I still have and I told her it would be a wast of her time, I mean she got to the part which she saw Naruto and Sakura and what is sad is she was hoping that they hook up even asked me how close they get and she was 9 when she read the first vol.

 

It did make me sad knowing I had to tell her how bad it was that even she got upset and throwing the book away, I mean its what makes me mad that people like that think kids are all stupid.

yeah even when I was a kid I read at the library alot and watched toonami, and even at 5 years old watching toonami in its early days I was smart enough to know what was good writing and what wasn't and was able to predict how the anime would end, and even not knowing anything about romance I was smart enough to pick up on who would end up with who, literally the only series I have ever been wrong about are pokemon and naruto, and now people like dbx48 are trying to say kids are too dumb to pick up on this when I did at 5 years old? for goodness sake I even predicted all the couples of dbz, yu yu hakusho, g gundam, and all the other toonami series as a kid, kids are not that stupid, maybe the spongebob and teen titans go ones maybe but overall kids are not that dumb. kids probably excuse those because of them being comedy shows, but no kid would excuse the stupid writing of an action shonen anime for goodness sake, the whole reason the kids watch the anime is  for the action, good writing, and good morals.....

 

also newsflash dbx48, like they said US was the target audience and here in the US naruto shippuden and the naruto manga are both rated T for teen.  also in japan naruto was marketed to middle schoolers,

12 YEAR OLDS TO YOUNG TEENS.

 

or are you too stupid to know what the middle school age group actually is? and kids 9 or older are smart enough to know what is good writing and what isn't, when people talk about kids shows, they are talking shows for kids younger than 9 for goodness sakes, I was a special case just because I have autism so I was smarter  early on as a kid than normal...


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Posted 24 August 2016 - 10:12 PM

I think kids are very smart while young but then the stupidity of society seeps into their pores and taints them into moronic teenagers and brain dead adults.

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Posted 24 August 2016 - 10:22 PM

I think kids are very smart while young but then the stupidity of society seeps into their pores and taints them into moronic teenagers and brain dead adults.

Yup. In every society there are unreasonable things bestowed to the people.



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Posted 24 August 2016 - 11:41 PM

The best bromance is Sora and Riku. Why? Because unlike Sasuke, Riku redeemed himself and Nomura made it look real. 

Agreed. I've said this before and i'll say it again Sora and Riku is Naruto and Sasuke done right and yes Riku's journey was done better and he did redeem himself during chain of memories.



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Posted 24 August 2016 - 11:48 PM

Sorry but you keep say that BS, will not change anything as that's all you keep saying kid, preteen and adult gets very, very old and very fast. I mean my go there are a kitten tone of others out there that do far better then what Naruto did, the point of a story is to learn from something to be a better person as you grow up which other kids stories have done far better.

 

charlie and the chocolate factory: what does it teach us to be a good person, what happens to the four other good they get what was coming to them.

 

Lord of the Rings: Saruman what happened to him he died and was a traitor and he died for it.

 

JK even said it in an interveiw when making Harry potter books again for kids and she said hates traitors which she did in the 5th book some back stabbed them and the girl got what was coming to her.

 

I have even seen mangaka like they guy who made Hellsing and fullmetal alchemist with that sick kitten shou tucker and what he did to his own kid I mean there are many more mangaka who do this, and who if the did Naruto would see Sasuke as a kitten who needed to die in the end.

Funny cause I see Hellsing and even though I haven't finished it yet full metal Alchemist had better endings than Naruto and Bleach. And to be fair at least Bleach's ending didn't ruin it's characters like Naruto's did. Also Shou Tucker placed first on Watchmojo's top 10 worst parents out doing Raygo from Kill La Kill who placed 4th.

 



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Posted 25 August 2016 - 01:15 AM

Funny cause I see Hellsing and even though I haven't finished it yet full metal Alchemist had better endings than Naruto and Bleach. And to be fair at least Bleach's ending didn't ruin it's characters like Naruto's did. Also Shou Tucker placed first on Watchmojo's top 10 worst parents out doing Raygo from Kill La Kill who placed 4th.

 

yu yu hakusho has a better ending than naruto and was better written, and I found something else naruto ripped off besides turning hei's jagan eye into the sharingan when watching yu yu hakusho with my brother today, behold:

 

 

 

I don't know how to feel about this....


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Posted 25 August 2016 - 07:41 AM

has anyone played the naruto online game? konohamaru asks naruto if sakura is his wife in it

 

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Posted 25 August 2016 - 01:05 PM

has anyone played the naruto online game? konohamaru asks naruto if sakura is his wife in it

 

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Well he's not wrong. In the real ending that's what Sakura is to Naruto.


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Posted 25 August 2016 - 03:42 PM

Sorry but you keep say that BS, will not change anything as that's all you keep saying kid, preteen and adult gets very, very old and very fast. I mean my go there are a kitten tone of others out there that do far better then what Naruto did, the point of a story is to learn from something to be a better person as you grow up which other kids stories have done far better.

 

charlie and the chocolate factory: what does it teach us to be a good person, what happens to the four other good they get what was coming to them.

 

Lord of the Rings: Saruman what happened to him he died and was a traitor and he died for it.

 

JK even said it in an interveiw when making Harry potter books again for kids and she said hates traitors which she did in the 5th book some back stabbed them and the girl got what was coming to her.

 

I have even seen mangaka like they guy who made Hellsing and fullmetal alchemist with that sick kitten shou tucker and what he did to his own kid I mean there are many more mangaka who do this, and who if the did Naruto would see Sasuke as a kitten who needed to die in the end.

 

It wont happen under shuheisha wing, it how shuheisha done for years and they already mastered it so Shuheisha became number one in anime/manga world.



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Posted 25 August 2016 - 06:11 PM

Yep cause Kishi is a dumb ass who does not see how bad it is all he cared about was making his lover Sasuke looking call and trying to make all the readers feel so sorry for him, hell just look at all the Sasuke fans they say they feel so sorry for Sasuke and how we shoud pity him and he should have been let off for all that he had done, and what is worse they make Sakura out to be worse than she is.

 

But I agree Naruto is also to blame as he kept thinking that Sasuke was his friend someone should have told Naruto that Friends don't try to kill you and they look out for each other, I mean come on Naruto is more stupid then Goku,

 

I mean I said it before man Naruto in any other show he would be dead as the bad guys would kill him.

Imagine if DBZ pulled that crap with Frieza - giving Frieza a sympathetic backstory in that he had some bad/troubled childhood or something who never got any actual love from King Cold and crap and so, in the present, Frieza was never killed and allowed to keep doing what he's doing ala Sasuke or Orochimaru.

Even Goku, one of the nicest guys we know, who actually DID try to spare Frieza's life on Namek, got pushed too far when Frieza spat on his attempts by trying to attack him.


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Posted 25 August 2016 - 06:19 PM

Imagine if DBZ pulled that crap with Frieza - giving Frieza a sympathetic backstory in that he had some bad/troubled childhood or something who never got any actual love from King Cold and crap and so, in the present, Frieza was never killed and allowed to keep doing what he's doing ala Sasuke or Orochimaru.

Even Goku, one of the nicest guys we know, who actually DID try to spare Frieza's life on Namek, got pushed too far when Frieza spat on his attempts by trying to attack him.

If only Frieza died there. That was such a moment.



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Posted 25 August 2016 - 09:04 PM

Imagine if DBZ pulled that crap with Frieza - giving Frieza a sympathetic backstory in that he had some bad/troubled childhood or something who never got any actual love from King Cold and crap and so, in the present, Frieza was never killed and allowed to keep doing what he's doing ala Sasuke or Orochimaru.

Even Goku, one of the nicest guys we know, who actually DID try to spare Frieza's life on Namek, got pushed too far when Frieza spat on his attempts by trying to attack him.

I think that people back then woulod have all been like WTF I mean I think if that happened akira toriyama would be like this. "What the kitten was I smocking when I came up with this kitten." I mean with DB evil is evil end of story something Naruto fails at big time so much so Kishi keeps trying to say how Sasuke had it so bad and we need to feel sorry for him.

 

That is true man I mean think of it like this and I want to ask you too if Sasuke killed Videl do you think Gohan would sit back and just forgive him for killing the woman that he loves?

 

If only Frieza died there. That was such a moment.

Well the times we see him in hell was only Filler and never happened and With Trunks well that was just bad ass the way Frieza was cut in half and he killed King Cold without even letting him get away.

 

Got to give it to Trunks that he is far more bad ass than Naruto and knew when to Kill someone that wanted to hurt people unlike the Last scumbag who wanted to let all evil people live.



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Posted 25 August 2016 - 09:27 PM

Sasuke is not a villain.

But forgiving orochimaru is not a cool guy thing, wait....

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Posted 25 August 2016 - 09:46 PM

I mean I like Trunks entry, but man, that Goku's "you fool" scene was really good. The guy who gave him every chance, even after killing his best friend. Frieza, whose pride is unbreakable and when it gets damage, he will go insane and do the unthinkable. Once he shot a beam, Goku gets pissed, shoots back, camera pans in to say, "Frieza, you asked for your demise and now, it's here."

Going by the anime, I just like how quiet the scene got as to say, "Wow Goku..................Let's go......" Damn, what happened to that Toei...

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Posted 25 August 2016 - 10:18 PM

I mean I like Trunks entry, but man, that Goku's "you fool" scene was really good. The guy who gave him every chance, even after killing his best friend. Frieza, whose pride is unbreakable and when it gets damage, he will go insane and do the unthinkable. Once he shot a beam, Goku gets pissed, shoots back, camera pans in to say, "Frieza, you asked for your demise and now, it's here."

Going by the anime, I just like how quiet the scene got as to say, "Wow Goku..................Let's go......" Damn, what happened to that Toei...

well sadly the mangers change I mean you have to remember the staff that was there back then are no longer there maybe and have left or died of old age none of us will live forever after all.



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Posted 26 August 2016 - 01:02 AM

well sadly the mangers change I mean you have to remember the staff that was there back then are no longer there maybe and have left or died of old age none of us will live forever after all.

I wouldn't say they died of old age, just they don't work there anymore, I mean super saiyan's debut chapter was in 1991 after all(funny because that was the year I was born, so both the sonic series and goku's super form are my age lol) they'd probably be in their 50s or 60s I guess, maybe older.

but yeah definitely if they still worked there this mess probably wouldn't happen, since all the old shonens managed by them put naruto to shame...


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Posted 26 August 2016 - 07:20 AM

That love because rivalry thing from Sakura mouth is just like fanfic written and dream from NH fans, the entire The Last Movie is just their own fantasy and orgasm insert nothing more nothing less.

 

Naruto have many options to prevent SS from getting together, but he choose to bring him back. He wish nothing more that Sakura smile and happiness from her. But sadly character like Sasuke who getting a lot of love from Kishi and Hinata who getting a lot of love from rabid fan and SP prevail and destroy the entire manga.


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Posted 26 August 2016 - 04:24 PM

That love because rivalry thing from Sakura mouth is just like fanfic written and dream from NH fans, the entire The Last Movie is just their own fantasy and orgasm insert nothing more nothing less.

 

Naruto have many options to prevent SS from getting together, but he choose to bring him back. He wish nothing more that Sakura smile and happiness from her. But sadly character like Sasuke who getting a lot of love from Kishi and Hinata who getting a lot of love from rabid fan and SP prevail and destroy the entire manga.

That's why i say he really loved her, because if he just wanted to keep her from sasuke he wouldn't of brought him back.


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Posted 26 August 2016 - 06:53 PM

That love because rivalry thing from Sakura mouth is just like fanfic written and dream from NH fans, the entire The Last Movie is just their own fantasy and orgasm insert nothing more nothing less.

 

Naruto have many options to prevent SS from getting together, but he choose to bring him back. He wish nothing more that Sakura smile and happiness from her. But sadly character like Sasuke who getting a lot of love from Kishi and Hinata who getting a lot of love from rabid fan and SP prevail and destroy the entire manga.

And those NH extremists just go completely silent when you bring up the fact that, by their logic using the whole "Naruto only loved Sakura because of his rivalry with Sasuke" crap, doesn't that also mean that Naruto only suddenly started "loving" Hinata out of a feeling of rivalry with Toneri?

That would also further explain why Naruto is so miserable being married to her afterwards, with no "rival" around trying to "win her", there is no point in being with her, but now he's stuck with her regardless/.


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